No Coke, No Pepsi, that’s right — Jones Cola. Sadly, the Thanksiving flavors are unlikely to make an appearance.
The article mentions that the other 31 stadiums are locked down by either Coke or Pepsi — I have vivid memories as a child of Shea Stadium being RC Cola (maybe until 1991-1992?), but I can’t imagine many other stadiums have had other soft drinks available in the last 15 years or so.
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Very cool for Seattle fans. Hopefully this works out over the long term.
:: Optimistic Packer Fan — 5/24/2007 @ 2:51 am
That’s horrible news, their Key Lime soda is like crack. Yummy, sweet, creamy lime crack. How am I supposed to watch the game if I’m always in line getting my fix.
:: Insancipitory — 5/24/2007 @ 3:07 am
Yowza!
That’s going to work out very well for everybody. Some notable lines in the article:
A key in getting the deal, Van Stolk said, was a patent the company owns that allows Jones Soda to place individual photos on the labels of its bottles.
This will allow Jones Soda to put different players or fans on plastic bottles inside Qwest Field and on glass bottles in supermarkets that carry Jones Soda, he said.
…
The players who will appear have not been determined, he said.
That’s going to be a nice little binny for the fans. On a side note, will we get to enjoy a “Jones soda bottle curse”? San Francisco can only hope…
To get a marketing edge, Jones Soda this year also began sweetening its drinks with pure cane sugar instead of using high fructose corn syrup, which is in many soft drinks.
And it works! The difference in flavor and texture with the cane sugar is amazing.
“Our job is to introduce Jones to fans who haven’t tried it, and make it a fun experience,” van Stolk said. “We are going to convert the cola drinkers to Jones Soda. And our cola will be amazing. You will have pure cane sugar on tap.”
My lower lip is quivering at the thought. If the Seahawks are really lucky, they could debut the cola at a preseason game. There’d probably be plenty of people willing to show up if the opportunity to beat the street crowd to this stuff was available.
What a sweet deal (pun intended) for Seattle all the way around.
:: Hooper — 5/24/2007 @ 7:22 am
As a business traveler to Mexico, let me say that pure cane sugar is on a completely different level of sweet.
:: MCS — 5/24/2007 @ 7:31 am
I’ve never heard of Jones Soda. How long has it been around? Is it a ‘West Coast’ thing? Is it anything like Moxie (yes, I live in Maine)?
:: Phil — 5/24/2007 @ 8:30 am
#5: Any large enough supermarket should have it. Pretty good stuff.
:: Fnor — 5/24/2007 @ 8:33 am
You know the NFL news is slow when …..
:: mawbrew — 5/24/2007 @ 8:54 am
Jones Soda is big down here in the South too (Gulf Coast area). Good stuff… big fan of their cream soda.
:: LnGrrrR — 5/24/2007 @ 8:57 am
lived in New York last year and they sold it in quite a few upmarket delis but not widely available… as of yet London is still Jones soda free so assume its not being exported yet.
Assume the first player picture on a bottle will have to be their left tackle.
:: Doug Baker — 5/24/2007 @ 9:05 am
I see it frequently at supermarkets. Starbucks carries it too I believe (Seattle connection). Never tried it, kind of opposed to the notion of paying $2 for a 12 oz. glass bottle of beverage when 44 oz fountain Cokes cost a buck and a half at the 7-11. Maybe one day.
HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) is sweeter than cane sugar (hence, high fructose), its just used in lesser concentrations, and its worse for you health-wise. I’ve never had it, but European Coke is supposedly less sweet (I think) than US Coke since they don’t use the HFCS.
:: Joe T. — 5/24/2007 @ 9:33 am
I have no trouble believing that Jones cola is superior; Coca-cola was much better when you could get it in the classic 6.5 oz. bottle, made with cane sugar. There are countries where it is still available that way, and cola consumers are not marketed swill in two liter plastic bottles that tastes like it came from a Dow Chemical plant.
:: Will Allen — 5/24/2007 @ 9:45 am
Jones Soda is expensive (on a comparision basis)…but it is very good.
Their Berry Lemonade is excellent and screams for “put some vodka in me”.
Their root beer is only ok…but their cream soda is brilliant.
I’m not a green apple fan…but my “lovely and talented” is, and she says their green apple soda is the best she has ever tasted.
Good stuff…would almost make me not drink beer if I were at a Seahawks game.
:: OMO — 5/24/2007 @ 9:53 am
Just one more thing to add….
Thank you Diva Village.
Catholic Match Girl, meet your match!
:: Phil — 5/24/2007 @ 10:17 am
The real question is, how much is a 12oz bottle of soda gonna cost? Theyre already like $3.25 at starbucks around here. I’m guessing $7.
:: Rich Conley — 5/24/2007 @ 10:30 am
I’m not sure the brand has any effect on the flavor of stadium fountain pop. Water + tiny bits of carbonation + syrupy cola flavor = stadium pop. Marge Simpson’s homemade pepsi might be as good.
:: Pacifist Viking — 5/24/2007 @ 10:48 am
diva village girl photoshopped by a kindergarden kid with fat fingers. cathotlic match girl photoshopped by god. CMGjoe and CMG 4-eva, Miami 2008, book it.
:: catholicmatchgirljoe — 5/24/2007 @ 10:56 am
Jones soda is awesome, but not many supermarkets in florida carry it. The only one in my area that has it is an Albertson’s, and they’re a bit farther away. I make a point of picking it up when I’m in that area though.
I’ve seen it in some super targets, but not wal-mart.
:: andrew — 5/24/2007 @ 10:58 am
Interesting Joe T., having tasted both HFCS Coke and PCS Coke, my perception is that the pure cane sugar version is much sweeter.
In fact, Mexico is the only place I’ll drink Coca Light (Diet Coke). Mexican Coke is just too sweet.
Where I travel, Diet Pepsi is hard to come by.
:: MCS — 5/24/2007 @ 11:34 am
I recently tried Jones Soda for the first time. The two flavors I had were Strawberry Lime and Berry Lemonade. I know the overwhelming opinion expressed here is that Jones Soda is awesome . . . but I didn’t think it was that great and don’t plan to ever buy it again. Both flavors were simply too sweet for me.
I get the impression that their target market is younger than the target markets of Coke and Pepsi. If that is the case, I’m not convinced this makes sense, since the pro football crowd isn’t especially young.
Also, I went on Jones Soda’s website and looked around for a little while and didn’t see any diet sodas. If they don’t sell diet sodas, that will leave a huge market unserved at the games. By the way, I noticed that the Seahawks logo is already on the website, at the bottom right corner.
:: Marko — 5/24/2007 @ 11:42 am
Well, I just reread the article and noticed that they will be adding a diet cola this summer that will be sold at Qwest Field. So ignore that part of my previous comment.
:: Marko — 5/24/2007 @ 11:47 am
Regarding fountain soda, I have a relative in the soft drink industry, and thus became educated in the nuances of the product. There are still pre-mix fountain drinks, where the syrup and water are combined in the bottling plant, and then containerized and shipped to the vendor. The more prevalent system today, however, is post-mix fountain drinks, where merely the syrup is shipped to vendor, to be mixed with the vendor’s carbonated water on site. The quality control of post mix is far more uneven, resulting in far more swill-like experiences, but not having to ship the water component saves costs, so it is more prevalent.
There is a similar phenomena between draft beer and bottled beer in taverns, although obviously no mixing occurs. Draft beer, when properly cared for and served correctly, provides a better taste, assuming one is actually talking about good beer. However, most saloons do not take the time and labor to maintain and clean their lines correctly, too often resulting is an off-kilter taste in their beers on tap. I suspect in the case of beer that the margins are better on bottled beer, especially if you can get the customers to drink it out of the bottle, and save on glass washing expense, so the typical saloon doesn’t go out of it’s way to maximize the draft beer taste, and merely uses it to get the budget beer drinker in the door. I always think it is a shame that somebody will buy a truly good beer, but won’t maximize the brew’s potential by pouring it in a glass.
:: Will Allen — 5/24/2007 @ 11:58 am
This reminds me of an Onion article:
“RC Cola Celebrates 10th Purchase”
:: Setzer — 5/24/2007 @ 12:08 pm
HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) is sweeter than cane sugar (hence, high fructose),
It’s called high fructose because corn syrup is almost entirely glucose, and they have to invert the glucose to fructose (fructose is an isomer of glucose). It’s about 50% glucose, 50% fructose.
It’s not sweeter than sucrose (cane sugar). It’s exactly the same. It was designed to be exactly the same (well, HFCS-55, which is what’s used in Coke, was designed to be exactly the same - HFCS-42 was designed to be slightly less sweet).
The “healthier for you” bit is heavily disputed in literature (beauty of being married to a former food science major). The push for pure cane sugar is a combination of a marketing ploy (see also some of the organic foods) and a (justified) reaction against the corn industry.
We’re just talking about a chemical here. That’s all. In the end, 1 sucrose molecule is just a glucose and fructose molecule with a glycosidic bond between them. It’s extremely unlikely the body would process them significantly different.
In fact, the first thing your body does with sucrose is break it down into fructose and glucose.
:: Pat — 5/24/2007 @ 12:20 pm
Re 21: I don’t know about bars, but as someone who worked many summers in a restaurant with a beer and wine bar, the beer on tap was WAY more profitable than beer in a bottle. Beer in a bottle was always served with a glass (which was usually utilized) so there were no glass washing savings.
:: John — 5/24/2007 @ 12:24 pm
I had read somewhere there was a link in the introduction of HFCS and the rise of the obesity crisis. Also I had heard that HFCS results in a surge of your blood sugar. You should never drink anything with HFCS under any circumstances.
either way, seattle automatically wins the superbowl this year.
:: jonessodajoe — 5/24/2007 @ 12:27 pm
I love the idea of pics on the bottles, but only if they use them the same way the milk people do.
“Have you seen Nate Burleson this season?” Call 888 GO-JONES if you know of his whereabouts.
:: Miyagi — 5/24/2007 @ 12:29 pm
The article describes Jones Soda as “small, scrappy …” Is it thus fair to refer to it as a “fan favorite” whose drinks are “deceptively sweet”?
Also, CMG > Diva Village.
:: NewsToTom — 5/24/2007 @ 12:41 pm
Re: 23
The claims of HFCS health/obesity issues can only make sense to folks looking for an obesity bogeyman.
‘Hey, it’s not my fault I’m fat, those evil food manufacturers just loaded up all their products with HFCS to save a few pennies’!
:: mawbrew — 5/24/2007 @ 12:42 pm
I had read somewhere there was a link in the introduction of HFCS and the rise of the obesity crisis. Also I had heard that HFCS results in a surge of your blood sugar. You should never drink anything with HFCS under any circumstances.
I know, I know, it was a joke. But the “HFCS is bad!” articles way piss me the hell off. They’re written to scare consumers using technical terms, and more often than not, they only look into the effects of fructose (vs glucose), ignoring the fact that cane sugar has fructose as well (in similar proportions).
The article you’re thinking of was not intended to suggest that HFCS is the cause of obesity. It was just intended to spur science. That’s what an author of the paper said: “I don’t think there should be a perception that high-fructose corn syrup has caused obesity until we know more.”
Buying Jones Soda because you don’t like the corn lobby is fine (and to be honest, I’d agree). Buying Jones Soda because you think sucrose is healthier for you is insane. Jones even breaks the sucrose down into inverted sugar syrup, making it virtually exactly the same product chemically, just manufactured differently.
Sorry, rant off.
:: Pat — 5/24/2007 @ 12:44 pm
Wow. To come to a football website and learn something about food science is quite jarring.
On the profitability of draft beers: one of my local bars does a ridiculously brisk trade by specializing in draft beers. They have fifty on tap and keep people coming back with a “beer journey” system that challenges you to drink them all. And every wednesday is free pint glass night. And I do mean every pint you drink you keep. I don’t know how well they do but the place is always packed and that’s in a very competitive nightlife district.
:: Jeff — 5/24/2007 @ 1:24 pm
Wow. To come to a football website and learn something about food science is quite jarring.
What can I say. I’m a renaissance man (married to a renaissance woman).
:: Pat — 5/24/2007 @ 1:38 pm
#18 - I might have it backwards. Don’t take my word for it. I saw it on Modern Marvels, or Sesame Street, I forget which show. All I can be sure of is that I consume too much of it.
:: Joe T. — 5/24/2007 @ 1:42 pm
RC Cola at Shea Stadium? I suppose you couldn’t buy a Moon pie to accompany it, could you? Just doesn’t sound like a New York thing.
:: Joe T. — 5/24/2007 @ 2:02 pm
Re 27: The article describes Jones Soda as “small, scrappy …� Is it thus fair to refer to it as a “fan favorite� whose drinks are “deceptively sweet�?
Jones Soda: the Bobby Engram of sodas.
:: MRH — 5/24/2007 @ 2:06 pm
I couldn’t care less about the Seahawks but I’m excited about this anyway… I’ve heard lots of good things about Jones Soda and it seems like an interesting product but I try to stay away from sugar and don’t drink soda with HFCS or cane sugar as a result. I’m hoping they make their diet cola available nationwide (or at least on the WC) so I can give their product a try and see what so many of you seem to be excited about.
Also, Coke Zero is amazing.
:: Dave — 5/24/2007 @ 2:16 pm
Wow. To come to a football website and learn something about food science is quite jarring.
You’ll learn more about science on FO than you’ll learn about football on any other football site.
:: White Rose Duelist — 5/24/2007 @ 2:19 pm
#30 Jeff, are you talking about the Bulldog on Magazine St. in New Orleans?
:: AmbientDonkey — 5/24/2007 @ 2:21 pm
First off, I LOVE the new anti-spam word “doofus.”
#7, totally agreed, and I live 3 miles from Qwest Field. I can’t quite believe there are 36 comments on this!
#9 You’d be surprised. I tried to get my 6 year-old a Walter Jones jersey “off the rack” last year either in Seattle area stores or the Hawks website, but could not find one (without having one made for much more than I wanted to spend).
As a Colt fan, I was just as happy to get him a Freeney jersey, but still, you’d think Jones would be getting a little more love. Soda bottle? No way, too glam for a lineman.
#27 and 34: LMAO. It’s a cerebral soda with fewer physical gifts but it compensates with hard work and determination. The Wayne Chrebet of beverages. If it came in 5 oz. sizes… the Doug Flutie of sodas.
#21 Will, another benefit of draft beers (this should come as no surprise to my fellow Seattlites) is that you can sometimes get a nitrogen tap rather than CO2. The rare occasions I go out, I’ll ask if they have one and if I like it okay, I’ll prefer the N-tap draft to a beer I would normally buy if it’s on a standard CO2 tap–smaller bubbles, much smoother experience, the flavor seems to be more up-front as well.
A typical local pub here might have a handful of local microbrews on CO2 tap and a heavier one (stout, porter) on nitro. A great experience; highly recommended. Not sure if it works as well on lagers or the lighter-bodied ales. And frankly, I wouldn’t give a rat’s rump if it did.
:: Bobman — 5/24/2007 @ 3:12 pm
34 - The funny thing is, Bobby Engram really does fit all of those adjectives. Take that, FO board meme!
:: Randy S. — 5/24/2007 @ 3:15 pm
#30, yeah, some places serve draft beer correctly, and have a variety of good draft beer on tap. I’ve been to far too
many taverns (hmmm, maybe I’m revealing too much here), however, where the tap beer is off, because the tavern-keeper is too damned lazy to maintain the equpiment properly. Makes me mad, goshdarnit!
#24, I won’t dispute your contention, but it makes me even more irritated, then, that so many saloons don’t maintain and clean their draft lines properly. I just assumed they probably made better margins on bottled beer.
Pat, has anybody done blind tastings to determine weather the differences between sodas with HFCS and sodas with cane sugar can be detected? The differences I’ve detected may be more due to the container material and size. A small glass bottle may be the real factor.
:: Will Allen — 5/24/2007 @ 3:19 pm
Yes, bob, a nitrogen tap is the way to go. I’ve also been encountering cask-conditioned ales over the past few years, and they seem to be really good, but I don’t know if they use one sort of gas or another as a rule.
:: Will Allen — 5/24/2007 @ 3:25 pm
Now that I’m ruminating on bubbly beverages of all sorts, it’s worth noting that a good champagne or sparkling wine really is improved by being poured from a large magnum bottle, as opposed to the smaller standard size. Something to do with the surface area of glass to liquid ratio, or something, improves the quality of the bubbles. Funny that it is the opposite of colas, where I can tell the difference between a small glass bottle, and a larger bottle, although to be accurate, the large bottles are almost always plastic, which definitely leaves an aftertaste.
:: Will Allen — 5/24/2007 @ 3:35 pm
I spent a couple years working at Foxboro Stadium, and Great Woods/Tweeter Center (concert venue) running some beer stands.
I can assure you, draft is absurdly profitable. At one point, about 5 years ago, Gillete/Foxboro was paying $7 per KEG of Bud/Budlight. I think theyre paying about $9 now. IE, they sell one beer and the keg is paid for.
:: Rich Conley — 5/24/2007 @ 3:55 pm
In the Seattle area Diet Jones Soda has been around for a pretty long time. They don’t have all the flavors as regular but I have seen black cherry, green apple and diet cola at local grocery stores or target and I must say their diet sodas are excellent.
:: Bryan — 5/24/2007 @ 4:07 pm
I’ll always have a fond place in my heart for Jones Soda… their Turkey & Gravy Soda paid my way through an entire quarter at the University of Washington.
:: masocc — 5/24/2007 @ 4:10 pm
Personally, I always ask for my drafts to be drawn from the nitrous oxide tap. I may not be able to detect the fine taste differences that apparently everyone else can, but after a few glasses it doesn’t seem to matter much anymore.
:: Trogdor — 5/24/2007 @ 4:11 pm
I don’t think the fifty cent tap nights for a Miller in a rural Wisconsin bar has the same pricing scheme as Foxboro stadium. Assuming they have such night ins such bars still. It’s been a long time since I’ve been fishing in those parts.
:: Will Allen — 5/24/2007 @ 4:11 pm
Ever tell’em to hold the beer, Trogdor?
:: Will Allen — 5/24/2007 @ 4:12 pm
Rich (#43),
You are just making us angrier about the beer prices… just about anywhere now! I remember trying to get through a game of “beer an inning” at Yankee Stadium about 15 years ago. (double-plays in the bottom of the inning are killer, since you have to empty your cup before the first batter gets up next inning. but I digress.) After about 5 innings, I realized that I just spent about $60 on beer (I was buying for a friend because it was my dumb idea). And to think, for that money, I could have lugged my own 8 kegs in past security…. okay, maybe not.
That per keg pricing is truly insane, but I guess when you buy 5,000 kegs a year, it makes sense. After all, beer is about 90% water.
:: Bobman — 5/24/2007 @ 4:17 pm
47
Will, I know bars dont pay as little as foxboro, etc, but I’d bet theyre not paying any more than $20-25 a keg.
at 100-150 beers per keg, thats some serious profit.
:: Rich Conley — 5/24/2007 @ 4:19 pm
46 Trogdor, don’t give me any ideas. That sounds freakin’ fantastic! If I was back in college I’d put all my school work on hold for a couple weeks while trying to set that system up. My self-mixing gin and tonic backpack never panned out, and the ice jacket around it just made my back wet. (Crap, I hope my kids never get access to this archive when they’re of age.)
N2O would also serve to chill the beer–maybe enough to put ice in it, which isn’t great.
:: Bobman — 5/24/2007 @ 4:25 pm
Pat, has anybody done blind tastings to determine weather the differences between sodas with HFCS and sodas with cane sugar can be detected? The differences I’ve detected may be more due to the container material and size. A small glass bottle may be the real factor.
HFCS and cane sugar are identical in taste. They were designed that way (yes, there were taste tests on the original mixture). The difference in taste is most likely from the other ingredients involved, mixture differences, or, simply psychological. There are a lot of differences between Coke made in Mexico and Coke made in the US besides the use of cane sugar. Heck, they mix them differently on purpose due to the people they’re marketing to.
It’s also important to realize that HFCS and Jones Soda’s inverted sugar syrup should be chemically identical. As much as people want to talk about sugar as being a “food,” it’s not. It’s a molecule. One of the stupidest writeups I’ve read said that HFCS was synthetic because it was “immortal and unchanging.” It’s a freaking chemical. That’s like saying water is synthetic.
For reference, for those who think Jones Soda is sweeter: that’s not because of the cane sugar. It’s because it has more sweetener. Jones Soda is 180 calories (46 g sugar) for 12 oz. Coke/other sodas are typically 150-160 calories (40-44 g sugar) for 12 oz.
:: Pat — 5/24/2007 @ 4:42 pm
“As much as people want to talk about sugar as being a “food,â€? it’s not. It’s a molecule.”
Just wait until the scaremongers get ahold of that statement, and we get the marketing wave of “non-molecular foods”.
:: Trogdor — 5/24/2007 @ 4:45 pm
Well, the fifty cent taps, if I remember right, were for 8 oz. pours, so about 250 pours a keg, yielding about 125 dollars in revenue. That sounds like a huge mark-up and it is higher than the likely margin on bottle beer, now that I think about it, but it ain’t outrageous, once you consider the relative aesthetic quality of the clientele in such a joint, if ya’ know what I mean.
:: Will Allen — 5/24/2007 @ 4:47 pm
Glucose content irrelevant. High fructose make coke sweeter than honey. High fructose best sweetener ever. Not like candy-azz sugar cane used in Jones swill. High fructose corn syrup going to Arizona in ‘08. Buy tickets now.
:: highfructosejoe — 5/24/2007 @ 4:51 pm
Well, Pat, I’d wager that in a blind tasting I could discern what was poured from a can, a glass bottle, or two liter plastic bottle, but I could be wrong.
Yeah, if the non-molecular food nuts go crazy, maybe we’ll all have to eat with our mouths sealed to the open end of a particle accelerator. Imagine how many people you’ll have to tip in a joint like that!
:: Will Allen — 5/24/2007 @ 4:54 pm
Re #53
We’ll get to that after we ban DHMO.
:: NewsToTom — 5/24/2007 @ 5:02 pm
RE: 44. According to their website, all the diet/sugar free flavors had been discountinued.
So they’ll have to be reintroduced.
I see that they’ve got a flavor called M.F. Grape. Does that stand for what I think it stands for?
And in their naturals line, they’ve got a flavor called D’Peach Mode. Very funny.
:: Zac — 5/24/2007 @ 5:09 pm
Just wait until the scaremongers get ahold of that statement, and we get the marketing wave of “non-molecular foods�.
You think I’m kidding. Check this quote out - from Michael Jacobson, director of the Center for Science in the Public Interest:
I bet you never knew that browned onions, cheese, wine, beer, oh, yeah, and that inverted sugar syrup that Jones Soda uses aren’t natural, huh?
And remember, this guy freaking gets paid to do this.
:: Pat — 5/24/2007 @ 5:38 pm
Well, Pat, I’d wager that in a blind tasting I could discern what was poured from a can, a glass bottle, or two liter plastic bottle, but I could be wrong.
Of course you can. The three packaging materials hold temperature differently. The liquid will be at a different temperature in each.
:: Pat — 5/24/2007 @ 5:46 pm
Well, I’m thinking about it now, and where the small glass bottle tastes best is straight from the bottle, so it may be the case that not pouring the coke out, and losing some carbonation by doing so, tastes best from a glass bottle because glass is tasteless, whereas metal and plastic containers can be tasted when drunk from directly.
:: Will Allen — 5/24/2007 @ 5:59 pm
Criminy, it took me 30 posts and reading Pat and Will Allen talking about organic chemistry to get Diva Village out of my brain –why I would want to do that, I don’t know, but there it is.
Another example of the HFCS vs. cane sugar debate can be found at Passover — HCFS is considered non-kosher, so Coke using cane sugar is bottled and marketed. I know quite a few non-Jews who swear by the stuff — although I could never notice a difference. I’ve recently seen Jones showing up on shelves in Chicago (da Jewel!), so if they make a diet, I’ll probably try it.
Did I mention that Diva Village fries a synapse or two?
Damn!
:: Tom Kelso — 5/24/2007 @ 6:34 pm
As it happens, my dad worked with the guys who developed the first plastic soda bottles, and he tells me that they tested a number of different kinds of plastic to see which one had the least effect on the taste of the soda; there was one kind that was clearly the best choice, but the kind of plastic they eventually went with was actually number four on the list, because it was the cheapest kind that didn’t have an unacceptable level of difference.
:: Mike — 5/24/2007 @ 6:35 pm
I’ve also been encountering cask-conditioned ales over the past few years, and they seem to be really good, but I don’t know if they use one sort of gas or another as a rule.
I believe that’s usually a hand pump.
:: Jerry — 5/24/2007 @ 6:50 pm
Wow, I don’t think I’ve ever seen so many posts in response to a Seahawks related article!
Items like this prove that there is no existence of an East Coast media bias.
How long until we get to see a “Jones Cola� modifier to DVOA?
:: peepshowmopguy — 5/24/2007 @ 7:49 pm
Damnit! I’ve got an advert for Richard-sodding-Branson’s mobile phone company and no Diva girl.
:: Karl Cuba — 5/24/2007 @ 9:11 pm
And one other small point: Why is it that these new lurex dancing tights go baggy at the knees after only a couple of evenings’ fun? Bring back the old canvas ones I say. It is incredible, isn’t it, that in these days when man can walk on the moon and work out the most complicated hire purchase agreements, I still get these terrible headaches. Well . .. I seem to have wandered a bit, but still, no harm done. Jolly good luck.
:: TomC — 5/24/2007 @ 10:58 pm
The beauty of the internet is that there exists the promise of Catholic Match girl and Diva girl getting it on, and some shaved ape with a video camera insuring that no one has to miss out. Who needs flying cars?
:: Vint Cerf — 5/25/2007 @ 12:16 am
re: # 5- Moxie! the greatest named yet worst tasting soda I’ve had. that stuff is nasty.
I’ve never had Jones soda, but for Seahawks fans sake I hope its not like Moxie.
:: houlie4 — 5/25/2007 @ 7:45 am
#69
Moxie is horrible…however, it has the kick equal to about 5 mountain dews
:: Diva Village Girls\' Moose Knuckles (aka Phil) — 5/25/2007 @ 8:51 am
fructose? sucrose? give me maltose any day!
:: joel in providence — 5/25/2007 @ 8:52 am
I just tried their root beer this morning and this stuff is amazing! I envy all Seahawks fans (first you guys get a BC QB who can actually function at the pro level, now this!).
:: BC Pat — 5/25/2007 @ 8:54 am
Given the variance of opinions, it is clear we need a better statistical method to properly evaluate sodas. I propose a system in which we evaluate each sip versus the standard for each sip of every soda in each situation given the entire year. Empty stomach? chasing down a food item? Just opened? sitting on the counter warm for half an hour? on ice? on tap or on can?
This new method, which will be a Beverage-Adjusted Value Over Average (BVOA) will be the new cornerstone of this website…
:: andrew — 5/25/2007 @ 11:01 am
Awesome comment, TomC. The only thing better might have been one of those letters they always did.
Dear Sir, I wish to complain in the strongest possible terms about the song which you have just broadcast, about the lumberjack who wears women’s clothes. Many of my best friends are lumberjacks and only a few of them are transvestites. Yours faithfully, Brigadier Sir Charles Arthur Strong (Mrs.) PS I have never kissed the editor of the Radio Times.
:: Zac — 5/25/2007 @ 11:55 am
To #37 AmbientDonkey Hell yes! I usually end up there once a week. The crowd is not my style but the draw of the beers is too great.
I don’t drink sodas too often any more but Jones is at least good and is an innovative company as far as the way they interact with their customers. I don’t think Pepsi would put a photograph of my dog on a bottle, even if I paid them.
:: Jeff — 5/25/2007 @ 12:12 pm
Currently working in a beverage flavoring lab, I wonder if I can claim my time spent at FO during the work day as “field-related research”?
But seriously, this has been a fun thread to read today.
:: Stereochemistry — 5/25/2007 @ 1:46 pm
Re 72:
Nothing can touch IBC Rootbeer.
:: Tom — 5/25/2007 @ 2:05 pm
38: Stouts and porters are best with nitrogen because it gives the head a denser quality (this is the reason that some bottled varieties come with a nitrogen widget). I’ve never heard of lighter beers being served with nitrogen, but I imagine that it would diminish the quality of styles that call for a large head.
:: Optimistic Packer Fan — 5/25/2007 @ 2:47 pm
#75 It’s always been my goal in life to be able to identify any bar in America based solely on their number of taps and Wednesday night specials.
:: AmbientDonkey — 5/25/2007 @ 5:06 pm
Bobman, you were in the wrong venue for that game. I vaguely remember an attempt at Victory Field one evening. The few details that remain seem to suggest that each inning after the fifth lasted about a minute, rolling down the hill was a good idea, and small children can be taught to mock ex-big-leaguers on rehab assignments. (I believe this was 1995, as a certain outfielder in the Yankees organization was visiting. In his case, “rehab” was especially appropriate.)
It seems to me as though it’s not particularly helpful to know which type of sugar, if any, is least healthy to ingest in large quantities. (It is, however, very instructive to discuss these things, because I’ve probably learned more about sugar from this thread than from any other source …)
:: zlionsfan — 5/25/2007 @ 5:31 pm
re: 77
barq’s in a glass bottle(ask for it next time you go to a nonchain seafood resturant in south la.) destroys anything IBC has ever offered.
i will fight you about this.
and i will win.
and then ill have some root beer.
:: usedbread — 5/25/2007 @ 5:38 pm
Re #81:
I’m in on this fight too. Henry Weinhard’s will enable me to kick both your asses. Always. Always.
:: masocc — 5/26/2007 @ 12:01 am
re: 2
So, I take it you are an Seahawks fan?
Watch out for Alex Smith in your division.
Maybe your Seahawks will be so fortunate to make the playoffs and face the Eags. I so want the Eags to give it back to the Seahawks for killing them in Philly in 2005.
If the NFL had Connecticut high school rules in place, your fat ass coach Homogren would have been suspended for running up the score.
To hell with the Seahawks. You’re gonna get yours, Seattle.
:: Jason Mulgrew aka The Mul Dawg aka Lord J Rocka aka Mulgrewlicious aka Funk Doctor Spock aka Uncle Jase aka King in the Castle — 5/26/2007 @ 3:21 am
re: 81
Yo, Barq’s be good. I never had it in a glass bottle, however. I have had in it cups at fast food restaurants and I have had it in plastic bottles.
:: Jason Mulgrew aka The Mul Dawg aka Lord J Rocka aka Mulgrewlicious aka Funk Doctor Spock aka Uncle Jase aka King in the Castle — 5/26/2007 @ 3:52 am
Heaven help us. Jerko is back.
:: sick of Mulgrew — 5/26/2007 @ 9:07 am
Re: post 85
LMAO! I like seeing this geek get clowned here.
Ever since I got into that battle with him last July and people thought it was a one-man self-arguing thing I was pissed. I am not Mulgrew.
:: Kerwin Nagy aka The Mulgrew Stopper aka Dr. Love aka The Man from the Mountaintop aka Lord M Rocka aka The Nagster — 5/26/2007 @ 5:35 pm
Seahawks should worry more about on-field product than what soda to sell. Raiders all about winning. Don’t care what fans drink.
:: Raiderjoe — 5/26/2007 @ 7:42 pm
Which, in Raiderjoe’s case, is all too apparent.
:: Ilanin — 5/26/2007 @ 8:19 pm
87 & 88- funny stuff, fellas
:: sick of Nagy — 5/26/2007 @ 8:30 pm
Re: 62
This is correct. (Just to clarify, regular Coke is kosher, it’s only on Passover that HFCS, as a corn product, is considered a problem). Every year around Passover (late March or April), Coke is available in pure sugar form, distinguishable by the yellow cap instead of the usual white cap.
I and most people I’ve talked to believe that the Passover Coke tastes better than regular Coke, but I have never engaged in a taste test. I would also note that Dr. Brown’s soda is made with sugar rather than corn syrup and is quite excellent.
:: The McNabb Bowl Game Anomaly (aka SJM) — 5/27/2007 @ 12:47 am
RE: 53
Coke/other sodas are typically 150-160 calories (40-44 g sugar) for 12 oz.
No. Depends on the soda. Orange sodas are extremely sweet, followed by colas.
Ginger ales are typically 100-125 calories for a can.
But for orange soda, Sunkist has 52 grams of sugar per 12 ounces.
(4 calories per gram of carbohydrates)
:: Dave — 5/27/2007 @ 11:25 am
TMK:
“Another example of the HFCS vs. cane sugar debate can be found at Passover — HCFS [sic] is considered non-kosher, so Coke using cane sugar is bottled and marketed.”
To be accurate, many Jews don’t consume corn products on Passover. That isn’t because corn is “non-kosher”. It’s because of an obscure interpretation of what constitutes kitniyos, which are forbidden according to Ashkenazic tradition on Passover. Logically, corn should be permissible on Passover, but I digress…
:: TheJewishEdge — 5/27/2007 @ 12:41 pm
No. Depends on the soda. Orange sodas are extremely sweet, followed by colas.
I was matching soda types. Look at the root beer, for instance - but also, match most of the Fanta brands vs. the Jones brands. The Jones Sodas are typically about 10 calories more.
:: Pat — 5/27/2007 @ 2:16 pm
90 & 92:
Thanks for the corrections - -I do try to get that sort of thing right, so I appreciate it.
I wonder what the significance ofkitniyos is… is its presence equated with leavening, or one of the other obligations (bitter herbs, etc.)?
And if we want to tie this to football, I also wonder if Passover Coke is available to stadia. After all, concessionaires wouldn’t want to exclude a significant market in most major cities….
:: Tom Kelso — 5/27/2007 @ 5:14 pm
RE: 93
Yes but you said coke/other sodas, which seemed to say that you meant all varieties fell into that range.
:: Dave — 5/27/2007 @ 6:02 pm
TMK:
It’s a little complicated.
kitniyos are not chometz (leavened). they’re prohibited as a sort of fence.
here’s something I found to explain further:
“the reason for the prohibition is based on a Gezeirah, a preventative decree from the Rabbanan, instituted because people can too easily confuse a product cooked with kitniyos, such as cereal, with a similar product cooked with one of the five grains, and if the kitniyos product is allowed, one may come to allow a grain product, which is really chometz, as well. Moreover, he adds, kitniyos are similar to the five grains in other ways too, including the fact that some people make bread out of kitniyos as they do from the five grains, and people who are not knowledgeable may end up making a mistake and eat real chometz; he points out that kitniyos are thus not like other vegetables which are allowed on Pesach because they will never get confused with the forbidden grains.”
stadia do not serve passover soda on passover. if they did, it would only help if it were bottled (couldn’t be fountain soda). I have never heard of a stadium making these kind of accomodations, and it’s only 8 days after all. not worth the trouble.
:: TheJewishEdge — 5/27/2007 @ 7:27 pm
Re: Passover Coke
Let me simplify what TheJewishEdge said: Corn is not leaven, but it and other New World grains (plus legumes) are considered similar enough to Old World grains that they could be mixed (in flour form) without it being obvious. New World grains (except quinoa, which was entirely unknown to the Rabbis until recently) and all legumes are known collectively as kitniyos (or kitniyot), and are forbidden on Passover only by Ashkenazic Rabbinic decree.
Passover Coke is definitely not served in football stadiums, because Passover never occurs during the football season. I do not believe it is served in other stadiums either, because as TheJewishEdge noted we are only talking about 8 days.
:: The McNabb Bowl Game Anomaly (aka SJM) — 5/27/2007 @ 8:26 pm
Link on my name to the Wiki article on Passover Coke.
:: The McNabb Bowl Game Anomaly (aka SJM) — 5/27/2007 @ 8:29 pm
Egyptians worthless under Pharaoh. Little-known eleventh plague costs Egyptians draft picks, weakening their depth. Israelites reap benefits. Moses cries “Let My People Go” to Glendale in February 2008. Pharaoh forced to comply. Book it now.
:: Passoverjoe — 5/27/2007 @ 9:02 pm
he must’ve been talking about baseball, because passover falls out at the beginning of the baseball season each year. but yeah it isn’t served at any stadium.
quinoa probably should be kitniyot, but it was unknown, so the question is whether you include things now based on the guidelines then. If you say no, I would argue corn also should not be included, because corn was American and not available to them back then. Oh, and peanuts should DEFINITELY NOT be included. Makes no sense that they are.
but the passover coke (and other sodas) phenomenon has been known for some years. As soon as people found out that HFCS wouldn’t be used for it, they jumped on it. I’ve heard of soda fanatics buying the stuff as long as early 90s. could be even earlier, but that’d be before my time.
:: TheJewishEdge — 5/27/2007 @ 9:34 pm
So stadia can’t do Passover Coke because it doesn’t work in a fountain; yet Jones has found a way to do it at Qwest Field (thinking that if the stuff is that good, stadia would ask for the formula that they could sell more of, even if the increase is limited to only an eight-day period — it’s not like people wouldn’t buy the stuff if it wasn’t Peshach).
I wonder what Jones is doing that Coke won’t, if you get my drift?
And can everyone tell how boring it is at my job tonight?
:: Tom Kelso — 5/27/2007 @ 10:49 pm
Not that it doesn’t work in a fountain, but that putting it in the regular tap equipment would defeat the purpose.
hey, if coke really found that their passover runs did so much better than the regular coke, they’d switch to it full-time, possible higher costs be damned.
:: TheJewishEdge — 5/28/2007 @ 1:06 am
Of course you could do cane sugar based Coke in a fountain. Again, Jones Soda and Coke use sweeteners that are chemically identical. It’s just their original agricultural source that’s different (Which, for Passover, is the important part, in some minds).
:: Pat — 5/29/2007 @ 10:18 am
Edge’s point is that once you put Passover Coke in the normal fountain, where it can be “contaminated” with non-Passover ingredients, it’s no longer kosher for Passover.
:: Jerry — 5/29/2007 @ 6:38 pm
No, I know. I was responding to 101. Although I do wonder exactly how much cleaning would be needed - it’s extremely simple to clean soda fountains.
:: Pat — 5/29/2007 @ 8:21 pm
The cleaning might not be difficult, but the time and expense of having them reviewed by the proper Jewish (or Muslim, since they practice their own variation of kosher, based on the different interpretation of Moses that is found in the Quran) official would probably be prohibitive,unless they changed over to kosher formulations entirely……
And my job is still boring.
:: Tom Kelso — 5/30/2007 @ 10:59 am
Re #105:
No, it’s only simple to clean the fountainHEADS. Cleaning out the LINES sufficiently? That’s a biatch.
:: masocc — 5/30/2007 @ 2:45 pm
Tom got it right; it’s a question of cleaning things to a religous standard that has many observant families using a unique set of dishes during Passover.
:: Jerry — 5/30/2007 @ 6:35 pm
wouldn’t matter for muslims. they have halal but they don’t observe passover obviously. wouldn’t need to be cleaned out for them.
it just would be too annoying and not worthwhile to do the passover cleaning.
:: TheJewishEdge — 6/1/2007 @ 7:43 pm