Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

27 Sep 2007

The Week in Quotes: September 27, 2007

compiled by Ben Riley

YOU'VE SEEN THE CLIP, BUT HERE'S A LITTLE BACKGROUND

"A lot of guys get nervous, some even puke before games. How you handle the nerves is important, though, and [former Oklahoma State quarterback Bobby] Reid hasn't always managed them well. He has gotten off to some extremely slow starts, putting the Cowboys in some holes. Some, they dug out of, with Reid often wielding the biggest shovel, and some, they couldn't."

-- Jenni Carlson, columnist for The Oklahoman, questioning the "intangibles" of OSU quarterback Bobby Reid, who the coaching staff had recently benched in favor of Zac Robinson

"I get sweaty palms. I get the butterflies in my stomach. I sweat a lot. I've been playing this game for 15 years. And I can honestly say every game I've played in, I've been nervous. It's not so much me being scared; I just get to a point where I start worrying about a lot of things I can't control."

-- Bobby Reid, as quoted in Carlson's column

"Or does he want to be coddled, babied, perhaps even fed chicken? That scene in the parking lot last week had no bearing on the Cowboys changing quarterbacks, and yet, it said so much about Reid. A 21-year-old letting his mother feed him in public? Most college kids, much less college football players, would just as soon be seen running naked across campus."

-- Carlson (The Oklahoman)

"That's why I don't read the newspaper! Because it's GARBAGE! And the EDITOR who let it come out is GARBAGE! Attacking an amateur athlete for doing everything right!"

-- Oklahoma State head coach Mike Gundy, reacting to Carlson's column

"Are you KIDDING ME? Where are we at in society today? COME AFTER ME! I'M A MAN! I'M 40! I'M NOT A KID! Write something about ME!"

-- Gundy

"Don't write a kid that does everything right, that's heart is broken, and then say the coaches say he was scared! THAT AIN'T TRUE!"

-- Gundy, not exactly helping Reid's cause

"Who's the kid here? Who's the kid here? Are you kidding me? That's all I've got to say. It makes me want to puke."

-- Gundy (transcript of the entire speech available from The Norman Transcript, but you can watch the magical video here)

DA BENCH

"Rex Grossman is our quarterback."

-- Bears head coach Lovie Smith, Sunday, September 23

"Rex is my guy. Rex is my guy until the end. He didn't have his greatest game [against the Cowboys], but if you ask me Rex is my guy."

-- Bears tight end Desmond Clark, Monday, September 24

"Rex is our quarterback. One-hundred percent."

-- Bears center Olin Kreutz, Monday

"He's the starting quarterback. He's the guy taking the snaps. He's the guy handing me the ball. He's been the guy every Sunday. He's probably going to continue to be the guy."

-- Bears running back Cedric Benson, Monday

"Will Rex Grossman start Sunday? Well, our evaluation process is going on right now. And if you come out to practice Wednesday, you'll have a better idea of who will be starting at all positions."

-- Smith, Monday

"Has Rex been our starting quarterback? Well, yes, I'll say that."

-- Smith, also on Monday (Chicago Tribune)

"It's not one person. I just think we need a breath of fresh air. I'm excited for Brian [Griese]. He brings a lot of experience. He's anxious to go. Our team will back him 100 percent."

-- Smith, mercifully ending the Rex Grossman Experiment and announcing Brian Griese as the Bears new starting quarterback, Wednesday, September 26

"Of course, decisions like this are not made overnight."

-- Smith (Chicago Tribune)

DA BENSON

''In one ear and out the other."

-- Bears running back Cedric Benson, describing his reaction to the attempts of the Chicago Bears' coaching staff to instruct him how to be a more effective runner. In related news, Benson is averaging 3.2 yards per carry this year. (Chicago Sun-Times)

"My junior year of college, I started getting into this need-for-speed type thing. Then it developed into, 'OK, I want to be good at this.'"

-- Benson, describing his plans to take racing-certification classes during the off-season so he can race his track-ready BMW M3

"The fastest I've ever gone? About 170 miles per hour. But on the track, there's no limit."

-- Benson

"It bothers Cedric when people are critical of him. It crushes him."

-- John Parchman, Benson's high school coach and mentor

"Who is Cedric Benson? I'm nobody in particular. I'm just a Southern boy who's old school. I like to be at home with my two Rottweilers. I like things to be real simple."

-- Benson (Chicago Tribune)

VERNON DAVIS HAS A WEST COAST STRUT THAT WAS AS SWEET AS MOLASSES

"He didn't complete the pass as a catch. You have to get two feet clearly down and make another football move. If in the process of making the catch, he gets hit and goes to the ground, then he has to hold on. When he hit the ground and the ball hit the ground, it popped out."

-- NFL referee Gerry Austin, offering a convoluted -- and almost surely incorrect -- explanation for his ruling (after video review) that a key pass to Vernon Davis was incomplete during the 49ers-Steelers game

"One foot and a toe."

-- Austin, when asked whether Davis got both of his feet down

"He [Austin] said that he had to be clear that two feet were down. I offered him my sunglasses because they're prescription."

-- 49ers head coach Mike Nolan (Santa Rosa Press Democrat)

"Don't cry about the ball and then not catch the ball."

-- Nolan, offering some unrelated advice to tight end Vernon Davis (Pittsburgh Tribune-Review)

HUMILITY, THY NAME IS SHAUN

"I have always known that teams get excited to play against my offensive line and me, because my stats have been really, really [good], so that brings out the excitement to come stop that anyway."

-- Seahawks running back Shaun Alexander, describing the statistical motivation of the defenses the Seahawks play against (Cincinnati Enquirer)

"When you get it taken away from you for so long, like I had last year -- and never having that happen before -- you're just excited to be out there and you want to go out there and do great things, even more than I did before."

-- Alexander, with characteristic modesty (ESPN.com)

BILL'S SO MEAN BUT I DON'T CARE/I LOVE RANDY'S EYES AND HIS WILD, WILD HAIR

"That's probably something I'm going to get yelled at [for] a little tomorrow. But it just kind of happened. [Randy Moss] was there, I felt like it was safe, we had the possibility to score."

-- Patriots wide receiver Wes Welker, explaining why he decided to lateral a pass to Randy Moss during the Patriots-Bills game

"Unfortunately, Randy wasn't able to finish for me."

-- Welker (joking)

"I don't know what they were doing, those two. Maybe Wes learned that in Miami. I've never seen it around here."

-- Patriots quarterback Tom Brady

"I don't think that was the best play that I've ever seen. Let's put it that way."

-- Patriots head coach Bill Belichick (Boston Globe)

QUIET STORM ASSASSIN, WILD CHILD, AND THE CEREBRAL ONE: MEET THE WASHINGTON DREADNOKS

"Rocky's the quiet storm. Fletch is like the rock in the middle. And Marcus is just a wild child -- anything goes."

-- Redskins defensive lineman Kedric Golston, describing linebackers Rocky McIntosh, London Fletcher and Marcus Washington

"You've got a quiet assassin, so to speak, in Rocky. Marcus is insane and an extremely intense player, very physically gifted. And me, I guess you could say I'm the cerebral one. Maybe a little bit of a mix of both. I want to be quiet, but there's a side of me that's like Marcus, so that's a battle within."

-- London Fletcher (ESPN.com)

PIERCE LATER TOLD HIS DEFENSE, 'THE REDSKINS ARE THE ENEMY. WADE INTO THEM. SPILL THEIR BLOOD. SHOOT THEM IN THE BELLY.'

(Remember, click here to play track nine.)

"I'm sorry I haven't been able to come talk to you guys. But I just read a book, 'Patton: How to be a better defensive leader.' General Patton was a great leader and everybody talked about him. I did finish that book, I have a lot of notes from it and I'm going to try to use them this week."

-- New York Giants linebacker Antonio Pierce, explaining why he refused to talk to the media after the Giants lost to the Cowboys in Week 2

"You know what, I was actually looking for applications from some guys who know anything about how to play defense. If there's anybody here ... I guess y'all have all the Xs and Os and answers for us and you know what our problem is, everybody knows what our defense runs, so we're asking the media and the fans: If you can please help out the New York Giants defense, we'd gladly appreciate it. Fan mail can be sent to Giants.com."

-- Pierce, mocking the media in General Patton-like fashion

"Did you write that book: 'How to cover the tight ends?' We don't have the answers in here, so I guess we're asking the fans, the media and everybody else that has the answers to help us out. Please, we are in need of it."

-- Pierce, responding to a reporter's suggestion that the defense cover the tight ends (New Jersey Star-Ledger)

MORE TANK WARFARE

"I know that I'm not a risk. I'm a highly intelligent person and I take pride in a lot of things I do in life."

-- Suspended Cowboys defensive tackle Tank Johnson

"Just like any other human being, I'm going to make mistakes and I've made mistakes."

-- Johnson

"We're going to welcome him just like guys welcomed me."

-- Terrell Owens (Arizona Republic)

"The Sports of The Times column on Friday, about the National Football League's punishment of the New England Patriots for videotaping an opponent's signals, misidentified a player whom Commissioner Roger Goodell suspended for conduct off the field while the player was with the Chicago Bears. He is Tank Johnson -- not Tank Williams, who plays for the Minnesota Vikings. (Tank Johnson signed a two-year contract on Tuesday with the Dallas Cowboys, but will not play until he completes his eight-game suspension.)"

-- Correction in the September 20, 2007 edition of The New York Times.

DON'T LOOK NOW, BUT JON GRUDEN IS QUIETLY MAKING A RUN AT HERM EDWARDS FOR NUTTIEST COACH IN THE NFL

"We have a pretty good idea of what he likes. Sometimes it's a matter of if he likes door No.3, door No.2 or door No.1. He likes all three doors, but you got to pick, which door do you want?"

-- Buccaneers head coach Jon Gruden, describing quarterback Jeff Garcia's apparent affinity for doors

"It's, 'Do you like this, do you like that, do you like this?' He has some opinions of his own. It is just an area where we have to continue to grow."

-- Gruden

"Some teams have had the same quarterback for five or six years, seven years, 10 years, whatever years. We have had our guy for two weeks. We have to continue to communicate and work through some situations."

-- Gruden

"He's a barbed-wire kind of guy. He's not the biggest, most menacing guy, but he has a bite to him."

-- Gruden (The Ledger)

AH, WHO ARE WE KIDDING -- NO ONE CAN COMPETE WITH HERM (AND LJ)

"I learned a long time ago about coaches. They're always going to do what they want to do. It's usually an ego thing rather than trying to be better or trying to get better or trying to listen to input."

-- Chiefs running back Larry Johnson, expressing his frustration over head coach Herm Edwards' determination to run him into a wall until he snaps in two

"It's just hard to change a coach's perspective or change an offensive coordinator's plays when this is what they've been used to doing ever since they came into the league."

-- Johnson

"Football is easy. It's not a chess game. It's checkers. When they're looking for the run, you pass. When they're looking for the pass, you run. When they put nine in the box, you pass. When they overload one side, you run to the other side."

-- Johnson

"A lot of times, players are looking at something way different than what coaches are seeing. They think it's this and all of a sudden they come over to the sideline and they see the pictures and they say, 'Oh, it wasn't that.' That's emotion. We've been sitting on that powder keg for about two weeks now."

-- Herm Edwards (NFL.com)

"I'm all right with that as long as you don't cross the line. It's all in a competitive environment, and it happens all the time. This has gone on in sports forever. The thing that makes it kind of unique now is there are so many cameras. Twenty-five years ago, this thing went on ... but it wasn't on television."

-- Edwards, when asked to react to Johnson's "checkers" remark

"What's happened is when you go three-and-out it's hard to get rhythm as a play caller, it really is, and that's been our problem. I think some people fail to realize we can miss a play, or there's a penalty, then what do you call? The first play of the game, we've got a guy wide-open but we don't hit it. People forget about that."

-- Edwards (Kansas City Star)

"Mike [Solari, the Chiefs' offensive coordinator] is like any other second-year coordinator who's never done the job. They learn as they go."

-- Edwards (Kansas City Star)

THE REST

"I keep the back of my head to you. You don't see the stitches back there."

-- Bengals defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan, when asked how he kept from banging his head into the wall over the Bengals' defensive performance against the Browns two weeks ago(Cincinnati Enquirer)

"I need to gain about 15 pounds and I can be an undersized tight end like [ex-Bengal Matt] Schobel was."

-- Bengals wide receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh, indirectly commenting on the number of times he's run shallow routes this year (Dayton Daily News)

"I didn't get to the quarterback. I suck right now. So there. There's your headline.''

-- Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor, reacting to the Dolphins' loss to the Jets in Week 3 (Sports Illustrated)

"If I did it for Jimmy Johnson and for football, how can I show up unprepared to meet God in prayer?"

-- Shlomo (formerly Alan) Veingrad, offensive lineman for the Dallas Cowboys in the early 1990s, describing his intensive prayer preparation as an ultra-Orthodox Jew (Dallas Morning News)

"Now, is [backup quarterback] Cleo Lemon going to run down on [a] kickoff? He might. We're going to do whatever we think we need to do to win a football game. If that's what it takes, that's what we'll do.''

-- Dolphins head coach Cam Cameron, announcing his controversial "Let's See if We Can Get Cleo Lemon Killed on Special Teams" plan (Miami Herald)

"I felt like I was on the bad end of the stick. I felt like a lot of calls could have gone either way. They all went against me."

-- Falcons cornerback DeAngelo Hall, who was penalized three times for 67 yards during a critical drive in the Falcons-Panthers game. The Falcons lost, there are rumors that Hall was attacked by his own teammates after the game, and Steve Smith accused him of being a cheap-shot artist. (Winston Salem-Journal)

"Shoot, drunk guys aren't too hard to tackle."

-- Kansas City Chiefs mascot "K.C. Wolf," explaining how he was able to bring down a drunken Chiefs' fan who got onto the field (Kansas City Star, and we demand you click the link to at least see the picture)

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Posted by: Ben Riley on 27 Sep 2007

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by mmm... sacrilicious (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:02am

"like any other second-year coordinator who’s never done the job."

I guess it doesn't take much coordination to run LJ 26 times per game...

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by Athelas (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:02am

Re: Vernon Davis' non-catch--I saw Mike Pereira (sp?) on NFLN and he convinced me with his explanation that it was an incomplete pass.

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by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:07am

Man... that picture IS awesome.

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by Frick (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:08am

That picture deserves its own ESPY.

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by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:23am

looks like a late hit to me.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:25am

I have to say that the OK State coach should have controlled his temper a little better, but I have no problem with him calling out the columnist publicly. When a guy's compensation is a scholorship, getting personal regarding his relationship with his mother is a pretty vile thing to do. Actually, it's pretty out of bounds even for a professional athlete, but I'm willing to give columnists a lot more slack when they opine about guys who are cashing large checks. I mean, if it's acceptable for this columnist to be critical of a college qb, and use his private interaction with his mother as the basis of the criticism, well, I say there may be very few barriers that cannot be crossed in attacking the columnist in response, so maybe the coach actually was being restrained.

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by Penrose 10,000 (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:25am

If you're stuck in a hole, just dig your way out!

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by Theo, Holland (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:30am

#2 Athelas.
If it was not a complete pass, it would've been an interception.

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by lobolafcadio (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:32am

Three things :
Pierce is great.
LJ's father is a coach isn't he ? LJ would be a better play caller than Herm "when you go three-and-out it’s hard to get rhythm as a play caller" Edwards...
The picture of the Chiefs Mascot is hilarious !!!!!

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:33am

Also, to illuminate the idiocy of the columnists point of view, that having a bit of a momma's boy relationship with one's mother, after reaching adulthood, precludes a man from being mentally tough enough to succeed in competitive environments, reflect on the fact that the renowned pussy Douglas MacArthur was coddled by his mother well into adulthood. This was a case of columnist using her forum to mount an ad hominem attack on a amateur athlete, which is a rotten thing to do.

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by Theo, Holland (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:34am

"would've" should've been "should've"

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by zlionsfan (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:38am

We have two fouls on the play.

Personal foul, excessive celebration, on the fan.

Personal foul, piling on, on the mascot.

The fouls offset. We will replay the video.

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by mactbone (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:43am

Re 5:
You didn't see him get pushed from behind? You can't control that. You can't ask him to change in mid-air.

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by dryheat (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:47am

It's a shame Gundy isn't an former NFL coach. Those would make a nice Coors Light ad.

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by hooper (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:47am

Re: Chiefs mascot

The article is rather funny, too. Some other classic lines, though not necessarily quotes:

You can only imagine how Larry Johnson, who was manhandled all day (24 carries, 42 yards), felt seeing someone in a Chiefs jersey running in the open field.

The crowd erupted in the loudest cheers of the day. The Chiefs’ sideline erupted in laughter. The cheerleaders erupted in dance. There were a lot of eruptions.

Obligatory Herm reference:
In the Chiefs’ meeting room, there’s a sign put up by Edwards. It reads: “Know your role. Do your job.�

There's a lot more funny there (if you're not a Chiefs fan), but this post is long enough. So long as Herm follows his own motto, we'll be rolling in quotes until 3 weeks after Armageddon.

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by zip (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:50am

I can't use the internet today. Where is this picture everyone is talking about?

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by Peter Libero (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:55am

Will, I'm with you on that. While the video is kind of funny because of how intense he gets, he's probably right, it's pretty slimy. Anyway, the Mascot is my new hero, and I'm glad to see Herm not only doesn't know how to gameplan, but also can't manage his players. Coach of the year.

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by White Rose Duelist (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:55am

I'm picking up KC Wolf for my doomed IDP league team. Think I can count him as a DL?

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 12:13pm

The mascot was great, but it still ranks second on my list of favorite moron on the field moments. When I was a kid, I think 1970, the Colts were in Baltimore, and some drunk ran onto the field, and actually grabbed the ball as the teams were huddled. The drunk made the mistake of heading toward the Colts' defensive huddle, whereupon Colts' middle linebacker, a somewhat nasty fellow, treated the drunk like he would an opposing running back attempting to catch a pass while crossing the middle. Just laid him out. If you ever get a chance to see the "America's Game" episode of the 1970 Colts on the NFL channel, Curtis and some of his teammates recall the incident, and it is pretty funny. Curtis still looks to be in pretty good shape, and he is still a bit intimidating. If I recall correctly, he says what he misses most about playing is the violence.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 12:26pm

The Cedric Benson stuff is pretty illuminating as well. The list of guys who rely on instinct to have very successful college careers, and then discover that ain't enough in the NFL is pretty long. Unfortunately, the list of guys who don't change their behavior after making that discovery is nearly just as long. Why, exactly, did the Bears keep Benson and let Jones go? Cap hit entailed in moving Benson off the roster? Or did they actually think Benson was a better player?

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by Scott de B. (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 12:29pm

I lived in Missouri for ten years, and have been to several Chiefs games, and know many rabid Chiefs fans, and nobody has yet been able to explain to me why the Kansas City Chiefs have a wolf mascot. Heck, until today I always thought it was a muskrat or a vole or something.

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by Glazius (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 12:45pm

#2: Yeah, the call makes a little more sense after watching it.

Davis lands with one foot, starts to bring the other one down, but Polamalu starts him spinning before it hits. The second one doesn't come down under its own power, but he can still make the catch if he holds onto the ball until all of him hits the ground.

He doesn't, and the ball comes loose, and it would be an interception off of what is technically a tipped pass if the ball doesn't hit the ground before his arm does a jai-alai impression.

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by Aaron N (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 12:45pm

Click my name for the YouTube of the mascot. True brilliance.

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by MRH (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 12:47pm

Re 21 - I think when the Chiefs moved from Dallas to KC, the fan club was called the Wolfpack. the Wolf mascot derived from that. But I have no idea why they were the Wolfpack.

Re 20 - Based on their conventional stats last year, I think TJ and Benson were interchangeable. Based on their FO stats, they were about the same and you could argue, if nothing else, to keep the younger back.

TJ/Benson
Rush DPAR 25.5/17.9 (note TJ had almost twice as many carries)
Rush DVOA 5.6%/15.1%
Success rate 48%/47%
Rec DPAR -6.1/1.0 (Benson had very few passes thrown to him)
Rec DVOA -34.0%/8.3%
Catch% 77%/80%

From the outside, Benson doesn't look like a great "Character guy" or "Locker room" asset. Maybe TJ is, but there is some reason he's now on his 4th team - maybe he's not a coach's favorite.

I'm not a Bears fan or Benson backer, and I don't mean to ignore intangible issues, but based solely on-the-field 2006 performance plus age, I can see going with Benson.

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by MRH (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 12:49pm

Re the KC Wolf's play -

That's what happens when you have a HoF mascot. Check link.

Also, it's always worth reading Joe Posnanski.

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by Theo, Holland (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 12:49pm

Did you know: KC Wolf (the KC Mascot) is the first NFL mascot to be inducted into the Mascot Hall of Fame. Really.
.
No, Stealy McBeam will not make it. We got 5 Super Bowls, we don't need a damn mascot.

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by Frank (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 12:59pm

re 20

Will, Jones demanded a trade. There's not really much more to it than that. It wouldn't even have mattered if had they let him be the starter this year. He wanted out.

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by tic toc (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 1:14pm

I thought some of you might find this interesting, as you may know Jones soda has the non-alchoholic beverages at Qwest Field (seahawks). They just sent out an email regarding a neww seahawk collector pack. This is from the email:

So here's a tribute to the Seahawks....
a limited collector's pack of the flavors they
have tasted throughout their career.

2007 Jones Soda Limited Edition Seahawks
Collector Pack. Special flavors include:

Natural Field Turf, Perspiration, Dirt,
Sports Cream and Sweet Victory

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by Blackthunder (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 1:21pm

Antonio Pierce is hilarious. I know in players vs. New york media, the players never win, but listen to some of the questions they ask. I'd come up with some great sarcastic responses myself if I was subject to that after every game too.

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by TomC (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 1:35pm

Re 5:
You didn’t see him get pushed from behind? You can’t control that. You can’t ask him to change in mid-air.

ROTFL! Of course, if this sparks another thread-dominating David-Akers-as-cheap-shot-artist argument, I'm going to kill you.

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by White Rose Duelist (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 1:36pm

#28 - Do they also sell Bertie Botts' Every Flavour Beans there? They have grass, which I think is the same as "natural field turf".

Glad I read this before lunch...

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by Dired (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 1:38pm

#6 - Well, from the quote, it wasn't a dug-up "private interaction" - it was in a parking lot, in public. Which is different. And MacArthur aside, do you really think that, in the modern sports culture, being a momma's boy, that clearly, is value-neutral in the eyes of the other athletes? I have a hard time accepting that. He's not a kicker, he's a QB, and for good or ill that carries with it expectations, and among them is a certain macho independence.

Additionally, the coach benched him, and from the sounds of it was less than forthcoming as to why. The coach's tirade seems almost as much about someone second-guessing him rather than "attacking" an adult student. For all his claims of "come after me", the real charge seems to be he put a shaky QB in front of his team and then tried to quietly remove the problem, got caught and is trying the very ad hominem attack he's accusing the journalist of to defend himself. I.e., he she is coming after him, and this is his his way to weaseling out of it. But then I don't know the guy beyond this event - who knows?

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by Phil (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 1:53pm

"do you really think that, in the modern sports culture, being a momma’s boy, that clearly, is value-neutral in the eyes of the other athletes?"

See:
Boucher Jr., Robert "Bobby"

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by Balaji (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 1:58pm

#28: Is one of the new flavors Mike Holmgren's Tears?

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by Frick (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 1:59pm

What I dislike the most about the Oklahoma St incident is apparently the reporter has no problem roasting the kid in print, but can't handle it when it happens in front of her peers.

Ever heard the phrase don't dish it out if you can't take it?

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by Joe T. (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 2:13pm

I didn't know the OK columnist was a chick.

The coach's rant was funny as all get out, but counterproductive. Now all I can think is that Bobby Reid is a sissy momma's boy.

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by Crushinator (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 2:34pm

The worst part about the Gundy rant is that ESPN instantly started mocking it. I think there's a lot of people out there who heard it and largely agreed with him, but it's always nice to see the Brotherhood of Sports Media band together against any attack.

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by Brandon (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 2:46pm

I genuinely can't imagine how anyone could side with the columnnist in the OSU incident. Maybe Gundy could have stood to stay a little bit more composed, but based solely on how she's handled this incident, the columnnist is a repugnant person.

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by Brandon (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 2:46pm

I genuinely can't imagine how anyone could side with the columnnist in the OSU incident. Maybe Gundy could have stood to stay a little bit more composed, but based solely on how she's handled this incident, the columnnist is a repugnant person.

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by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 3:00pm

Someone needs to be credited for the Escape Club reference -- but this mean that Gisele Bunchen's legs are in the video - -and who's holding those flags anyway?

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 3:10pm

Dired, does that mean every interaction you have with a family member in a public place, observed from a distance, is reasonable fodder for speculation regarding your faults as a human being? I'm sorry, but merely being with a family member in a public space does not give the media legitimate reason to make wholly speculative assertions regarding an athlete's character. An athlete slaps his wife around? Sure, that's fair game, because slapping one's wife around is, clearly, extremely morally unacceptable action. Being fed chicken by one's mother? Well, it strikes me as a little weird as well, but since when is being a little weird a comment on one's character?

The writer was making a specific insinuation; that the behavior of this athlete with regard to his mother was indicative of a lack of mental toughness. Whatever one's opinion of today's sport's culture or what attitudes are prevalent in today's sports culture, that is simply an empirically stupid thing to insinuate, for historical examples abound of men who were coddled by their mothers to a degree considered abnormal, who then went on to be extremely tough-minded competitors, in business, politics, and yes, sports. Writers who insinuate things which are empirically stupid are writing badly, and the editors who don't reign such writers in are editing badly.

The coach was not very effective in his argument, and frankly it is bit of a shame, for a person skilled in hostile rhetoric could have publicly eviscerated this incompetent hack, likely leaving her a gibbering mess as the cameras rolled. Shame it didn't happen that way, but unlike a "professional journalist" a football coach's primary professional responsibility is not public communication.

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by peachy (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 3:16pm

Hmm - I see a late hit and taunting, and the Wolf didn't even make the open-field tackle when he had the chance. And he's still a better defender than DeAngelo Hall.

The OKState situation is similar to the (latest) Milton Bradley incident; there are some responses that aren't justified whatever the provocation. Do the Cowboys not employ an SID? (I make no judgement on the article itself - OSU is pretty much irrelevant to me, as is any team that gets romped by a Sunbelt opponent.)

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by mactbone (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 3:24pm

Re 39:
Right, because no adults should be criticized. I don't remember any outcry over Travis Dorsch being made fun of every single week in the school paper.

This is just another opportunity for some people to bash the media and act all outraged. Good job protecting all the poor children whose fragile egos can't handle any criticism.

Meanwhile, the coach gets a free pass for acting like a petulant child and deflecting all criticism over his coaching decisions and recent loss.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 3:24pm

peachy, like I said I don't think the coach is a skilled rhetoritician, but when a "professional journalist" produces something as bad as that piece, I have no problem with a coach very publicly cutting the writer to pieces. I just wish it had been done better.

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by Dired (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 3:28pm

I never read the journalist's report - I really don't care enough. Maybe she's a horrible hack or just made a big mistake this one time. But the rant itself is interesting, in that it feels scripted and incredibly deliberate - I do honestly feel this is more about the coach and "his program" than any actual empathy for the kid he benched. The journalist found a situation where the starter for a 1-A program was benched and found some low-hanging fruit. You can condemn her for taking what appears to be a cheap-shot, but the insinuation that the coach makes - that it's no one's business how the team is run and the program should enjoy media privacy when weird stuff seems to happen - seems ridiculous, self-serving and cynical. I don't see a man defending another man, I see a man defending his program, and ultimately, himself by clumsily (if loudly) attacking the journalist with the ex-starter as a convenient pawn. Your mileage may vary.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 3:29pm

mactbone, it's crappy writing, pure and simple, and for the life of me I can't understand why people who get paid to write shouldn't be publicly humiliated when they produce crappy writing, in the same manner that the writers try to publicly humiliate athletes or coaches who perform poorly.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 3:35pm

Well, dired, if you can't be bothered to read the column which the coach was responding to (and that's fine, of course) , I guess I don't understand why you could be bothered to form an opinion about that response, one in which you speculate about the interior state of mind about the coach.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 3:45pm

By the way, dired, the coach specifically states that attacking him, the adult who is getting paid for his performance, is perfectly acceptable, and in no place does he say that how the team is run is no one's business. He does assert that there are factual inaccuracies in the piece, which I certainly am not in a position to judge.

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by Flounder (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 4:03pm

I think the most logical conclusion is that the columnist and the coach are both idiots.

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by peachy (not verified) :: Thu, 09/27/2007 - 4:28pm

re: 44

That was precisely my point - it ought to have been done better. One unprofessional act does not excuse or justify another, and Gundy should have known that. Every other head coach has the occasional problem with media coverage of his team, but you don't see Carroll or Stoops or Meyer or Tressel putting on such a ridiculous exhibition.

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