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29 Feb 2008
The Miami Herald's Greg Cote thinks the Dolphins should sign David Carr immediately, using the "throw a bunch of [stuff] against the wall and see what sticks" philosophy on finding a starting quarterback. In less insane news, the Cowboys have traded nose tackle Jason Ferguson to Miami for a 2009 sixth-round pick, and the Dolphins have also signed former Giants linebacker Reggie Torbor and former Jaguars wide receiver Ernest Wilford.
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If Carr's the answer it must be a stupid question (yes I stole that from Terry Bradshaw, it's a great line applicable to many QBs, and even non-sports people).
#1
Concur. If Carr's the answer, then the question is truly horrific. I like the Wilford signing.
Only if the the question is, "Nothing else has worked. Why not?"
Carr has the necessary experience. He's already spent 4 years running for his life in Houston... at least its a better fit than trent green.
I can just see the ugly looks that Bill Parcells would give David Carr. Not a good fit...
David Carr would probably fit very well in Minnesota. Good line, good running back, and then he could always blame the incompletions on the receivers.
#3: No, the only way Carr's the answer is if it the question is "who could possibly be worse than the guys who've been lining up under center for the Dolphins in the past few years?"
Seriously, David Carr? The Dolphins have no offensive line to speak of, so there are no 'quick fix' quarterbacks out there. I have no idea who they should start at QB, but it's not David Carr, Daunte Culpepper, Trent Green, or Byron Leftwich.
Parcells might be a genius but are 34 year old interior linemen worth draft picks? When you're coming off 1-15 why waste a draft pick on a player with a season or two left in their body (if Miami is lucky). Wilford had a good season in 2005 but failed to "break out" in his 3rd season. Although last year was sort of a bounce back season with a 61 % reception percentage. He seems like a younger version of Marty Booker. Torbor managed 1 PD last year which is 1 more than Crowder did. So overall I'll give this haul a B-, it goes to F if David Carr comes anywhere near this team.
Parcells should sign Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson or Drew Henson!!
We can agree that Carr is not #1 status.
But is he really not-even-Dolphin bad?
Wow, is that all Jason Ferguson is worth?
There is absolutely no way Carr is the answer. Really, hasn't Miami already tried enough cast offs from other teams? I mean, if they are going to suck next year with a crappy QB, and it is almost certain they will, at least let it be a guy with some upside, not yet ANOTHER proven failure.
They signed McCown. It seems that Beck will be the guy. Thank god.
Carr is the answer if the question is "Name a first round bust off the top of your head, quick!"
Plus they swap 6th round picks for this year for the Ferg deal.
Somewhere in here is either a Mickey Mouse joke, or some reference to a Dan Marino Isotoner commercial.
To do a little comparison with Carr and the Miami QB situation:
In 2007, Joey Harrington had a 1.3% DVOA in Miami. Now compare that to David Carr in 2006 in Houston, his last year as a full-time starter, where he posted a -8.3% DVOA despite having Andre Johnson at his disposal.
I think, in all honesty, Carr is easily a step down from Harrington. In all honesty, Harrington is basically an average quarterback, and his statistics show as such, but Carr is decidedly below average.
I don't know exactly what the Dolphins should do at quarterback, and honestly there are no easy answers, but I can tell you that David Carr is most certainly not the answer.
I think that analysis of a quarterback's ability is greatly facilitated by thinking of it as breaking down into two separate qualities: the amount of time he needs to perform at or close to his optimum level, and that level itself. The very best quarterbacks need little time to play at their very high optimum level, but there are also players, like Bledsoe back when, Warner when he was still good (and even to some extent now), and pre-injury Culpepper, who can play at a very high level but need a lot of time to do so. These players are worthless to teams with bad lines, but very valuable to teams with good lines. Carr is obviously nowhere near as good as those three, but he can be pretty competent when given time. He might be a good cheap back-up/stopgap option for the Vikings, for example. In Miami, he would suck. Harrington would be a far better bet.
Re:12 Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Tim Couch, Rick Mirer, David Klingler... There are a lot of QBs drafted in the first round that don't live up to expectations. Is David Carr worse than John Beck? He's only 2 years older and he has 6 more years of experience. Many QBs don't come around until their early thirties. Has Carr been that much worse than Jim Plunkett or Rich Gannon was in their first 7 years? If the Dolphins can get a guy under 30 with a lot of experience on the cheap then they should jump at the chance. I'm not saying Carr is HoF bound, or will be better than a temporary stopgap, but adding an experienced QB to your roster when the expected starter has thrown all of 107 passes for 1 TD cannot be a bad move.
Okay, question, as it has come up several times now. People have mentioned he would suck in Miami because of their line, but do okay in MIN (personally, I think he will suck no matter where he goes, but whatever). My question is, am I misreading the stats? It appears to me that Miami was ranked 20th in pass protection, while MIN was ranked 28. What am I missing?
Re 18:
I think that mainly has to do with a bunch of incredibly stupid sacks that Tavaris Jackson created by running around in the pocket like a chicken with his head cut off.
Remember all of those FO articles showing the quarterback made a huge difference in adjusted sack rates? I imagine that pretty much sums up the disparity between those two.
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