After three NFL seasons of kicking off from the 35-yard line, what has been the impact on touchbacks, returns, field position, scoring and injuries? Also, is this rule responsible for a record number of big comebacks?
13 Aug 2007
compiled by Doug Farrar
Two FO staples will return to the lineup when the regular season starts: Audibles at the Line, the round-robin staff evaluation of each game, and Every Play Counts, Michael David Smith's weekly analysis of on-field play. In the preseason, we like to combine these two columns for a little something we call Every Play Doesn't Count. This combines the quick-hit style of Audibles with a taste of the breakdowns you know from EPC. As the preseason progresses, game action will become more important and will be discussed more frequently. In the first week of preseason games, the focus is really more on individual matchups and rookies looking for roster sports.
Standard FO disclaimer: Be aware that the material in this roundtable might seem a bit disjointed and un-edited. Games are chosen based on our own personal viewing preferences, and are going to reflect the teams we support and the cities where we live.
Doug Farrar: I saw the highlight of the TD bomb from J.T. O'Sullivan to Shaun McDonald – the Bengals were playing a coverage right out of a Fred Thomas instructional DVD. If Detroit's receivers get open like that in the regular season, they'll have the Kitna-predicted 50 touchdowns by Week 7.
After watching it again, it would appear that the members of the Bengals defense that didn't bite on O'Sullivan's play fake were all covering Calvin Johnson. Film review should be fun.
Stuart Fraser: Hey, it's the Lions. 79-yard drive to the Bengals' 2, T.J. Duckett fumbles on a first-and-goal carry and Cincy recover for a touchback.
Michael David Smith: Random thought: Does anyone know how Martz-coached teams have done in the second halves of preseason games? I have a feeling that the Martz schemes are perfectly suited to exploiting defenses that have scrubs on the field. So the fact that both of the Lions' backup QBs went for 220 doesn't say much about the quality of the Lions' backup QBs, but it does say a lot about the ability of the Martz offense to attack the defense's weak points. Of course, when the regular season starts the Lions won't see nearly as many weak points on the opposing defense as they saw against the Bengals' third-stringers.
Mike Tanier: At some point, I think you get a bunch of second halves where Marc Bulger was the QB which would obviously give Martz an advantage.
Stuart Fraser: Mike Martz's merry men scored 72 points in the first half and 13 points in the second half of preseason games, and then in 2002, Tennessee, San Diego and Kansas City all put 20+ points on the Rams in the second half. 2001 fits the theory, but overall...
(Preseason 2000-2007; 30 games, including Hall of Fame Game in 2001)
First Half: Opposition 323, MartzSpawn 301 (Pythag. .458, actual .467)
Second Half: Opposition 272, MartzSpawn 246 (Pythag. .440, actual .433)
Final: Opposition 595, MartzSpawn 547 (Pythag. .450, actual .400)
Aaron Schatz: The announcers were talking about the Colts' run defense playing well. I don't know how many of them were playing well, though. There was a play where Marion Barber cut back, and he had nothing but open space. The only guy who could stop him was DE Jeff Charleston, who grabbed his ankle and wouldn't let go. Without Charleston, Barber was gone for six. Everyone else overpursued.
Did the Colts actually blitz six at one point? Are they trying something new or just trying to fool opponents? They NEVER blitz.
Bill Barnwell: Charleston looks like a wideout. He is the smallest defensive lineman of all time. The Cowboys offensive line is getting no push. They're doing fine blocking for Romo, but no push on the interior.
Michael David Smith: The Colts' defense just looks like it desperately needs a couple more players in the front seven. If Tony Ugoh and Anthony Gonzalez are anything short of this year's versions of Marcus McNeil and Marques Colston, I'm going to have to say the Colts should've taken two defensive players in those slots.
Sean McCormick: I don't know - the long-term health of the franchise is completely tied to Manning and his targets, and Gonzalez looks like an excellent pickup. As much as the Colts put Dallas Clark out in the slot last year, they'd be better served with a legitimate slot receiver, and Gonzalez looks like he can play. (It also represents much needed depth at a paper-thin position.) As for Ugoh ... well, it was a bad year for tackles. He's got the body to play, and it's safe to say that he's going to be getting help from either a tight end or a back for most of the year.
There's no doubt that the Booger McFarland injury could prove to be big, though. The Colts can't afford to lose anyone up front.
Aaron Schatz: Who the hell at FOX headquarters has the good record collection? In this silly "pressure points" halftime feature piece, I've so far identified Spoon and Air (the French chillout duo). I wish they had kept that Air song going to the point where the melody is all just whistling. Heh.
Aikman and Buck were talking about how Manning says that he trusts Ugoh to take over for Tarik Glenn, that Howard Mudd is the key behind the offensive line. As they are saying this, Stephen Bowen, a rookie defensive end from Hofstra of all places, just DESTROYS Ugoh. Spins past him in about half a second. It was a bit embarrassing.
Bill Barnwell: That was some brilliant subtle burying of Aikman ("[Tyson] Thompson got some carries early in the year but he really struggled to get touches later on with two big guys ahead of him") by Buck ("Thompson broke his leg in October and went on IR...")
If Herman Edwards actually ran a fashion show, he'd send the same model out there 65 consecutive times and end the show five minutes too late.
Ben Riley: I was only half-listening -- fiddling with KUBIAK -- but did Pam Oliver interview a roach-covered Tony Romo a moment ago? And did she then "defy" her producer to continue questioning Romo about some non-important issue, which then prompted Joe Buck make some awkward crack about her asking "vital" questions, which then in turn prompted a very stilted "Ha ... ha ... ha" from Troy Aikman?
NFL Preseason Football Fever: Catch it!
Bill Moore: Kellen Clemens looking pretty good. Fairly solid decision making and quite a gun. Clemens has stood solid in the pocket, taking a few hard hits. I missed this story in the New York press, but Cedric Houston quit? Even though he basically he was practically assured the third RB position, if not the backup.
Andre Wadsworth – who hasn't played in 5? Years, has not played a down yet. The Falcons, on the other hand, haven't looked good in any aspect -- offense (although I missed Harrington early on), defense, or special teams.
Their second-round pick, CB Chris Houston, went down in the third quarter. Hamstring, Achilles, or something. Didn't return.
Benjy Rose: J-E-T-S Pre-Sea-Son!
Clemens looked shaky at the beginning, but seemed to get real comfortable as his near-3-quarter stint progressed. His pocket presence is much like Pennington's, but he's got a much better arm. He did seem to be running Chad's offense, though -- lots of running & short passing, with the occasional underthrown long pass (1 worked, one didn't). I wanted to see him run some un-Chad 10-15-yard outs or 10-15 zips over the middle.
Leon (Washington)!!! HEEEEE SHAAAAALL BEEEE LEEEEEONNNNNN!!! He had a nice boom-and-bust game. A 25-yard run, and then 8 more for 5 yards. Nice 86-yard kickoff return, and a 13-yard screen reception.
Thomas Jones scored a short TD, but didn't do much. Pennington didn't attempt a pass in his quarter of play, although he did throw a block for Brad Smith on a reverse. Sean Ryan!!! 2 TD catches! Well, one wide-open defensive breakdown plus 1 nice diving drop that was called a catch. Either way, who is this guy?? D-line didn't get any push at all unless they blitzed 6 or 7 guys. That could be a problem.
On the Falcons side, it was really interesting to hear the Atlanta radio (1st quarter) and TV (rest of the game) announcers NOT Favre-ing up to Vick during the game. That's all they do. Vick Vick Vick Vick Vick Vick Algernon Vick Vick Vick. Tonight, though, they had to come up with something else to talk about.
Joey Harrington had a really nice game. Looked strong, confident, had a great presence out there. Looked a lot like Big Ben at times with his elusivity (elusiveness?). Danced out of the broken-down pocket, KEPT HIS HEAD UP, and threw on the run for a nice 37-yard completion on third down. If he plays like this during the season, the Falcons will be better than with Vick.
Chris Redman ... meh.
D.J. Shockley impressed me. Kid's got a freakin' cannon. I think he's got a better arm than Vick, and has a quick release instead of Vick's goofy Randall Cunningham arm flail thing. He needs work, but Petrino would be wise to keep him around and put him in a few plays... it would keep the fans happy (he's a Georgia product form High School and college), and would keep the Vick-style offense in there a little. Jason Snelling looked real good, too. A bruiser. Bettis-like.
Doug Farrar: Well, Shockley might see some time. According to several sources, Michael Vick's going to be suspended for the season.
Aaron Schatz: I met Bill Musgrave at the combine this year and he had some really nice things to say about D. J. Shockley. Kid's a very hard worker.
Sean McCormick: I guess it's the ten pounds he put on in the off-season, but Mike Nugent's leg is noticeably stronger on kickoffs. He was banging them to the goal line and into the end zone, and this from a guy who struggled to get the ball to the ten-yard line last year.
The team seems committed to using Brad Smith much in the same way that Parcells used to use Ray Lucas, which is unfortunate. He got some snaps at quarterback and looked extremely uncomfortable. If his first option wasn't open, he immediately looked at the pass rush and started running. He was successful running one reverse, but his other trick plays -- taking a snap from the shotgun and handing off to Leon Washington/getting a direct snap on a punt and trying to throw a pass -- were total busts. He did manage to draw a dubious PI call in the end zone, but I'm starting to wonder if he wouldn't be better off just getting reps at one position for a while, rather than moving him all over the place. Then again, if Justin McCareins beats him for the third wideout spot, it's hard to see how else Smith would get on the field.
The run defense looks suspiciously like last year's run defense. On the Falcons' touchdown, they were able to neutralize the front seven -- D-Rob was nullified by a guard, and no linebackers were anywhere behind him, which resulted in a running back scoring from the eight without being touched. On the other hand, Kenyon Coleman beat a block and made a stop in the backfield on third-and-1, which is a play you didn't see any defensive lineman make last year.
It was limited action, but I thought Jonathan Vilma looked more comfortable in the defense than he did last year. In particular, he was making plays while attacking the line of scrimmage, rather than letting runners get into his body and knock him over. I can't wait to see how he plays with David Harris lined up alongside him.
Aaron Schatz: The Pats came out with split backs on a lot of plays. They hardly ever used split backs last year. In fact, most teams don't seem to use split backs much anymore, with the major exception of the Seahawks.
Bam Childress just got popped big time on a punt return, helmet coming off. I remember some guy in the Colts-Cowboys game getting destroyed on a punt return. I wonder if there's more of a chance of an injury from these reckless hits as sixth-string players desperately trying to make the team try to prove themselves on punt coverage by sending someone to the hospital.
There seems to be a debate in the fantasy football projections community regarding Cato June and Derrick Brooks this year, but from what I saw, Brooks was definitely on the strong side, not the weak side.
Mike Tanier: Derrick Brooks was playing in the middle and on the strong side a lot last year. Jaws mentioned it. Greg Cosell mentioned it. I verified it on the game tapes I watched. I think all the beat writers and talking heads just assumed that never happened, never bothered to watch a game tape or ask Kiffin, and just went with the "will June replace Brooks on the weak side?" storyline. I take that as a reminder that sometimes when we disagree with 97 percent of the sources out there, we very well could be right.
Ryan Wilson: Tarvaris Jackson has only thrown one deep ball (incomplete), but has been very accurate on the short to intermediate passes. More impressive, Troy Williamson caught three nice balls (I guess catching 20,000 during the off-season helped) -- including a nice above-the-head grab in the middle of the field that would've been an incompletion last year.
Doug Farrar: On Jackson's second pass of the game, he threw high and over the middle to Troy Williamson. People think Minnesota's short on receivers now, but the situation isn't going to get any better if their quarterback keeps doing that.
Another thing I'm noticing about Jackson is that this is the preseason, but he's not sliding or ducking out when he runs. He's extending every run and slamming right into defenders. The Seahawks brought former Mariner John Olerud into their training camp last week to work with their quarterbacks on sliding. I wonder if Dan Gladden is available at a reasonable rate?
Ryan Wilson: Rams first-rounder Adam Carriker beat the Vikes' RG to tackle Adrian Peterson at the LOS on Peterson's only carry. Rams LB John Alston, last year's second-round pick (who ran something like a 4.4 at the combine), made an unbelievable open-field athletic tackle on a Tarvaris Jackson third-down scramble. Rams CB Ron Bartell, a 2005 second-rounder, was raw coming out of Howard, and was out of position (or took bad angles) several times during the quarter.
Doug Farrar: Carriker negated Adrian Peterson on his first NFL carry. Just bulldogged him. Great play from a guy who's moving inside to tackle
Steven Jackson is already in mid-season form, making two Vikings defenders miss on a short screen from Bulger on the Rams' first drive. I really like Jackson, and I still think people don't give him the credit he's due. I might take him in a fantasy draft over anyone but Tomlinson.
Peterson has an obvious ability to zip through small holes, but he runs pretty high for someone who's had injury concerns. I assume the coaches will work with him on that, because I just had a Chris Brown Flashback Experience.
Mike Mayock is doing color in this game, and he's really good. He's especially adept with the rookies, of course, but he's also talking about formations and coverages, he's got a self-deprecating sense of humor, and he's very conversational -- not stiff at all. A pleasure to listen to.
Ladies and gentlemen, the Brian Leonard bandwagon is now accepting passengers.
Sean McCormick: Ssshhh! I plan on drafting him in the last round of my draft and then sit back and watch him score more receiving touchdowns than Randy McMichael.
Mike Tanier: Poz (Paul Posluszny) looks good so far. He made a bunch of plays in the middle of the field, slipped a block to make a tackle on one play, came back from deep Tampa-2 coverage to make another tackle in the passing game. Nothing spectacular, but he knows his assignments and looks like he belongs.
Tyler Palko looked OK in the early going until an interception at the end zone. Most of his throws were short but he executed well and knew where his second receiver was.
The announcers were raving about #40, Kevin Dudley, fullback for the Saints, after he lowered his shoulder and finished a run after a catch on a little rollout pass. The kid reminded me of Jim Kleinsasser a few years ago, when Kleinsasser was young and spry. That's just on one or two plays, mind you, but for a moment I thought old JK was traded.
Doug Farrar: Palko looked great on the fake/fourth-down run at the beginning of the fourth quarter. Sold it perfectly and didn't hurry the timing.
Sean McCormick: The full J.P. Losman experience was on display. On a third-down play, he was athletic enough to pluck a bad snap out of the air, roll right and head upfield, weaving through traffic for a twelve-yard gain. The next play, he was supposed to take a one-step drop and throw the quick slant, but he held onto the ball too long, waiting for the receiver to be wide open instead of throwing to the spot, and the result was an incompletion. He just doesn't seem to get much a pre-snap read. If he wasn't so mobile, he'd be Rob Johnson.
The Buffalo secondary is completely uncompetitive, no matter who is playing quarterback for the Saints. They're not blowing coverages and leaving receivers wide open, but they just don't have the athleticism to play tight coverage. Instead, they're letting the receivers catch the ball in front of them and then closing in for the tackle. It looks suspiciously like a Herm Edwards special.
Trent Edwards is going to get himself in trouble with Daryle "The Mad Bomber" Lamonica if he keeps up with stat lines like this. Seriously, how do you manage to complete 10-of-11 passes for just 49 yards?
Drew Boylhart over at The Huddle Report gave a first-round grade to Tyler Palko. Based on this game, I didn't see it, as his arm strength is clearly limited. That said, I thought he made good decisions with the ball. He could certainly show J.P. Losman a thing or two about throwing timing routes.
Doug Farrar: A first-round grade? Boylhart must be from Western Pennsylvania.
Doug Farrar: Vonnie Holiday was flagged for roughing the passer after he sacked Byron Leftwich while Leftwich still had the ball. Seriously. Leftwich's arm was still going back when Holliday first hit him. Good to know that they've ironed out those touchy calls.
Doug Farrar: Cleveland rookie corner Eric Wright made a great first-quarter play on a deep pass from Brodie Croyle to Samie Parker. Wright came out as a junior from UNLV after leaving USC in the wake of some off-field issues. He redshirted in 2003, sat out the 2005 season due to transfer rules and played only nine games for the Rebels in 2006. He's certainly got great speed (ran a 4.36 at the Combine), and we'll have to see what he does with a clean slate in Cleveland. Reports indicate that Wright is well aware of the "Pacman Effect." The underclassman/red flag combo always gives me pause, though. Observing the careers of Koren Robinson and Jerramy Stevens will do that.
Sean McCormick: Croyle made a bad mistake early on. The play was supposed to be a screen pass, but the runner was held up, so Croyle just chucked the ball about ten yards downfield at the left hash. The only problem was that the only player in the area was Leigh Bodden. The instinct to bail on the play was fine, but he needed to do a much better job of throwing it away.
Joe Thomas was impressive in his first game. His pass protection was consistently solid, and he was better than advertised in his run blocking. He wasn't up against Julius Peppers or anything, but he looked like he had the left side of the line pretty nicely nailed down.
Bill Barnwell: The Giants' run defense has been embarrassing. Defensive tackles are getting no push on the line of scrimmage. Meanwhile, announcers are continually pushing how much the team loves Tony Spagnuolo's new "aggressive" attacking scheme while ignoring each time the Panthers exploit the Giants' overpursuit. Howard Cross points it out from the sideline halfway through the second quarter.
It was an awful series for Giants safety Craig Dahl. He hit a defenseless player from behind for a personal foul, took a poor angle to tackle a Panthers wideout and let him get out of bounds with 12 seconds left, and then had a mixup with a cornerback on the last offensive play of the half, where the corner thought he had safety help and Dahl was looking into the backfield while a Panthers receiver ran unimpeded down the sideline by the corner for an easy touchdown.
Watching Jared Lorenzen play quarterback is still so strange. His mechanics seem very ... mechanical and there's no fluidity to his throwing motion. He also runs through his progressions slow, which is to be expected considering he barely ever gets back there to throw against an NFL defense.
Doug Farrar: Wait, these are the Giants. What are these "progressions" of which you speak?
Doug Farrar: The Texans are wearing their road unis at home. Must be a Lone Star State thing. They also seem to have some sort of perpetual argument with the end zone, judging from their first three scoring drives. Those drives began at the Houston 48, the Chicago 16 and the Chicago 24. Nine plays in the red zone, and three field goals to show for it. The third drive featured three incomplete passes from Sage Rosenfels (who could have been called for illegal grounding on third down), took a total of nine seconds off the clock, and wasted a 78-yard kickoff return from Jerome Mathis. I know that preseason performances are generally inconclusive, but that was especially awful.
Then, the Texans drove from their own 14 to the Chicago 20 through the last few minutes of the first half, and promptly went three-and-off. Field goal number four. Houston was 0-for-7 on third down in the first half.
Just watched a sideline interview with Keenan McCardell, now with the Texans. For some reason, his career stats snuck up on me. I didn't realize he had amassed 861 career receptions (third-best active behind Marvin Harrison and Isaac Bruce) for over 11,000 yards (fifth-best active behind Harrison, Bruce, T.O. and Rod Smith).
Doug Farrar: I heard a commentator on ESPN radio this morning refer to Vince Young as a discipline problem in the same breath as Pacman Jones. Are you freakin' kidding me? "Next week on Outside the Lines: Will Vince Young's bedhead ruin the Titans' season?"
The pass to Antwaan Randle El with three minutes left in the first half was called an incompletion, but it looked very close – could have been a fumble. Jeff Fisher, the co-chair of the Competition Committee, threw the challenge flag, and this caused Spiro Dedes and Marshall Faulk to go on and on about how great it is that officials will finally have HD instant replay. Fisher, however, was told that the play was not reviewable. The HD angle is nice, though long overdue, and it's great that replay is finally permanent, but I really wish there was a more complete and sensible set of definitions regarding what is and is not reviewable. I mean, if the guy who helps run the Competition Committee doesn't even know what he can challenge…and why can't he? That could have put the ball in the hands of his offense.
Wouldn't the preseason be a good time to take, say, five unchallengable scenarios and make them challengeable, just to see what should be allowed? Would it really bother Roger Goodell that much if these oh-so-meaningful preseason games were five minutes longer on average?
Just saw another Tarvaris Jackson special. In the third quarter, Titans QB Tim Rattay threw high (in this case, "high" is defined as "five feet over the receiver's head") and over the middle to rookie Paul Williams. Williams jumped for it and was absolutely creamed by Omar Stoutmire on his way down. I'm starting to wonder if we shouldn't count "receiver kills" in the Game Charting Project -- it would be interesting to know which quarterbacks throw their receivers under the bus most often.
Aaron Schatz: Tarvaris Jackson special? Isn't this the Eli Manning special?
Sean McCormick: Daunte Culpepper played better than his stats would indicate, as he was basically throwing to the East Bay track team and there were drops aplenty. He fumbled when hit early on, but he seemed to get more comfortable as the game went along, and he was moving much better than I remember him doing at any point last year. Oakland's quarterbacks all played reasonably well, actually. I wonder if they are going to try and carry four quarterbacks once Russell signs, or if Josh McCown and Andrew Walter are fighting for one spot. We all know about Walter's struggles last year, but he looked a lot better than a lot of the second and third stringers seeing action this weekend.
It's bad enough that Oakland spent the second pick in the 2004 draft on a tackle who they have to play at guard, but the worst thing is that he's not even a good guard. Robert Gallery was still struggling mightily, always looking a step behind the defender. There were multiple plays where an Oakland runner was blown up in the backfield because Gallery let his man go by him. Whatever fundamental soundness this guy had coming out of Iowa is long gone, and he just seems to lunge at whoever is across from him. At the rate he's going, he's actually going to be a bigger bust than Tony Mandarich, who was at least a competent player with the Colts.
Doug Farrar: Sean, did any of Gallery's troubles look like adjustments to a new blocking scheme? Steve Hutchinson, as great as he is, would sort of flail toward the second level at times when he went to Minnesota and was involved in more zone blocking than he was in Seattle. Of course, it's possible that Gallery's just done, but I wonder if any of the other Oakland linemen seem to have issues adjusting to new line coach Tom Cable after whatever it was they were doing last year. Former Denver guard Cooper Carlisle would obviously have an easier time.
Stuart Fraser: Yeah, I can see how adjusting from "flail ineffectually at the opposing defensive as he goes by you" to "actually block somebody" might take some time.
Sean McCormick: It's a good question, but considering how lunging was just about his only successful means of blocking at left tackle, I'm guessing it was old habits. Most of the Oakland line was blocking pretty well... or at least, pretty well by last year's standards.
Doug Farrar: On Seattle's first drive, Matt Hasselbeck threw a ball that was batted in the air by Jamal Williams and caught by guard Rob Sims, who rumbled for 16 yards. In the 2004 Wild Card game against Green Bay, Steve Hutchinson caught a deflected pass and flopped forward for a short gain. Sims may not be at Hutchinson's level as a guard just yet, but he's got him beat as a slot receiver.
Good protection on Seattle's opening scoring drive, with their starting offensive line against San Diego's starting defense - especially since the Seahawks didn't really simulate a 3-4 in practice last week. It's interesting to see which teams really gameplan for the preseason and which teams keep it vanilla. The Steelers were throwing the kitchen sink at the Packers – zone blitzes all over the place. The Seahawks, on the other hand, will implement fairly rudimentary gameplans pretty much all the way through.
Antonio Gates made a nice play on the Chargers' opening drive – he chipped Patrick Kerney at the line, held him up from getting to Rivers and still got out for the catch.
If there's one thing that will keep Seneca Wallace from becoming an NFL starting quarterback, it's his inability to put anything on touch passes. The ugly overthrow to Leonard Weaver in the second quarter, which was picked off by rookie safety Eric Weddle, was a perfect example. Wallace has good mobility and can make certain plays, but every throw has to be on a straight line
Ben Riley: Wallace has looked awful, but then again, he usually does in preseason. Hawks are generating a strong pass rush -- Billy Volek just fumbled as I was typing this -- but the secondary doesn't look improved with Deon Grant and Brian Russell; on third-and-17, Grant took a horrible angle on Darren Sproles, who ran right by him.
Perhaps running counter to conventional FO wisdom, I think the Chargers have real questions at WR. Eric Parker is banged up so we got to see Craig Davis fumble a reverse and Malcom Floyd drop a pass that hit him squarely in the numbers.
Doug Farrar: Let it heretofore be known that Craig Davis prefers the name "Buster".
(Sunday night preseason ennui begins to distract our West Coast correspondents...)
Ben Riley: Finally, am I the only one completely horrified by the "Deliverance" commercial for Viagra, featuring seven guys sitting in a shack in the middle of the woods signing praises to an impotence drug?
Doug Farrar: Bad year for commercials. There's the "Viva Viagra" one you're talking about, there's the "Baconator" with the cut-and-paste faces on the screaming girls (the celebrity is ... bacon?), and the extremely disappointing follow-ups to the "T.J. Whosyourmama" fantasy football spots. "Ballet parking"? Please.
Ben Riley: For me, the biggest disappointment is the Verizon cell phone commercial. You can't make a "when pigs fly" reference, bring a live pig on screen, and then not have the porker go airborne.
Doug Farrar: The Manning/Bush room service commercial is pretty good. "Can I get someone up here with enough chili to fill up my bathtub?"
Well, Madden and Michaels just lost all the monitors in their booth halfway through the fourth quarter. Goodnight, everybody!
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