Is Kurt Warner a Hall of Fame quarterback? We dissect both sides of the case from multiple angles.
13 Sep 2010
compiled by Bill Barnwell
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Aaron Schatz: Happy new year and happy new NFL season everyone! As we say in Hebrew, "Shana Tova Tikatevu." "Shana Tova" means "a good new year," and Tikatevu of course was a Samoan tackle who played a couple years for the Jets back in the late 80s.
Bill Barnwell: Hey, Marques Colston versus overmatched linebackers. I've seen this show before.
Ben Muth: Wearing ear plugs on the sideline does not make Favre look any younger.
Aaron Schatz: But look, they're color-coded! Do you think he wore the same earplugs with the Jets that he wore with the Packers, or did he need a slightly different shade of green?
Mike Kurtz: The Saints, of course, decided the explosive downfield passing game was TOO SUCCESSFUL, so come out on the second drive with a pair of easily-busted screens. Mastermindering!
Mike Tanier: If anyone took the running section of the Saints playbook out of the team library, please return it. Sean Payton will waive your late fees.
Bill Barnwell: If any game supports a run-free philosophy, though, it's these Saints versus these Vikings.
Mike Kurtz: The Saints have been tackling well in the box, but really miserable in pursuit.
Aaron Schatz: I just casually informed my wife that through the magic of Twitter, I know that Marcedes Lewis of the Jaguars has plenty of food and would like teammate Kirk Morrison to join him for the game, but Morrison is home watching the game and chillin' with his pops.
Mike Kurtz: Is it just me, or is Favre's release wonky? It looks like he's extending an awful lot overhead instead of forward.
Aaron Schatz: Well, I don't know if Doug is right about Visanthe Shiancoe having a huge season, but he's certainly having a huge game. And the Saints were fifth in DVOA against tight ends last year.
I would be curious to hear what people think about Steve Hutchinson in the second half. I've been trying to watch him closely in the first half, thinking about how surprisingly mediocre he looked when Mike and I went to NFL Films last year. He was very good on that touchdown drive to end the second quarter, but before that it seemed that there were a lot of plays where he was getting surprisingly pushed around by Remi Ayodele. They also seem to use him on double teams a lot more than I would expect... I mean, doesn't seem like your Pro Bowl lineman is the one who you should have blocking one-on-one, with other guys used in double teams? Or is that more because John Sullivan needs the help? Or is it just that guards are generally used in double teams, either with the tackle or with the guard, no matter how good they are?
Ben Muth: Yeah, I was watching the left side a lot, and thought both McKinnie and Hutchinson look pretty pedestrian. They haven't looked bad, but they aren't really moving anyone.
Bill Barnwell: Wonder why the Saints aren't getting the downfield stuff they were on their first two series. I'm guessing that the Vikings are just dropping their linebackers real deep in the Cover-2 and taking away the 12-18 yard range for those seams and deep ins New Orleans started the game with. Saints need to at least have some hint of a running game to keep those linebackers honest.
Aaron Schatz: If you are going to show a montage of how good Brett Favre's protection is, perhaps you should consider skipping the plays where six guys are blocking three. That's not really great protection, that's a defensive decision not to rush the passer.
Tom Gower: Sean Payton finally re-discovered the lost "draw play" and "running between the tackles." What few rushing plays they ran the first half were all attacking the edges and featured too much running laterally. Finally ran the draw, then two more consecutively between the tackles, Colston's back open over the middle again, and they're back marching down the field.
Ben Muth: Looks like the Saints have decided to come after Favre this half.
Aaron Schatz: And he is not responding well. He's making a couple of those "I swear I can make this impossible play" gunslinger throws that he did a good job of avoiding last year. He never, ever should have thrown the floating pass to Kleinsasser when he was going to the ground, the incomplete pass that Minnesota challenged. That easily could have wobbled into the arms of Jon Vilma.
Rob Weintraub: Is that a legit blitz package drawn up in the Bud Light Playbook?
Bill Barnwell: Carl Weathers legit wants to know if you're going to finish that Bud Light. I know that much.
Rob Weintraub: The man was a fearsome defensive end back in the day. Wouldn't be surprised if he drew something up in the name of authenticity. You know, realistic, like Rocky IV.
Tom Gower: Blue 42 Trick Car Blitz actually looks like a passing play against a single-high look, only the offense looks like it may have about 13 players on the field. I think I counted a wide receiver split right, two guys in the right slot, a tight end on both sides of the formation, another wideout split wide left, a back in the backfield, plus the QB under center.
Bill Barnwell: Hey, Greg Camarillo's a "Welker-type" (Michaels) and "not fast" (Collinsworth).
Ben Muth: The Williamses are having a real hard time stopping once they get moving laterally, and the Saints are killing them with the cutback.
Tom Gower: Is it just me, or are the Vikings doing a lot of slanting on the DL? Maybe they do it a lot and I just don't normally notice it, but it seems like they've been attacking one side most of the time and the Saints have just been using the defensive line's momentum and shoving them out of the way while they run the other side.
Rob Weintraub: If you took the Saints -5, you are kicking yourself you didn't win cash -- should have won by 15. But at the same time, it took a gift (blocked XP) to keep you from losing. These are the sort of things that have kept me from wagering actual money on football for 15 years.
Doug Farrar: Brett Favre said that having Darren Sharper out of the game might be a disadvantage for him because Sharper’s more prone to taking chances, and Malcolm Jenkins would be more inclined to read and react. I think the Saints defensive game plan was as much about those zone drops as anything early on, though the linebackers look pretty stumpy in coverage and I think that will be a problem for the Saints through the season. They blitzed, but it wasn’t as crazy as one might imagine from a Gregg Williams team. New Orleans did a great job of covering the intermediate stuff, and we’re going to be talking once again about how underrated Jabari Greer is.
Especially early on, you could see that Minnesota was super-aware of New Orleans’ pressure – they were going max protect, or heavy, or two tight ends with motion, or stacking backs in some really interesting formations. Favre checked down on some long downs, and it seemed that the plan was that it was better to get #4 off the field safe than to have him hit.
I’m not sure what it is about the Saints that makes people say that the other team lost games/battles instead of conceding that the Saints won games/battles. All I’m hearing is how the Williams Wall looks to be in trouble, when it was at least as much about the fact that in Carl Nicks and Jahri Evans, this team has the best guard tandem in the league. Jermon Bushrod looked really strong at left tackle, especially when blocking inside – he was pushing guys around in the scrum. I echo Ben’s comments about that.
I still love the fake end-around and then the handoff inside out of I-formation. I’ve seen other teams run it, but nobody netter than the Saints.
Another thing the Saints do as well as anyone – Brees throwing those comebacks or hooks or other quick turn routes in the seam against zone defenses. He’s so good at ignoring and evading pressure, and anticipating the timing on longer routes.
Tom Gower: I've spent a lot of time kvetching about the Titans always having the outside receiver run a deep comeback when they boot, so it was nice to see Nate Washington get a long touchdown off of a bootleg on a go pattern.
Javon Ringer's TD run came when tight end Craig Stevens motioned in to the backfield to create a full house look. The Titans have also run the counter option three times, I think, which is more than they ran it in any single game last year.
Nnamdi Asomugha is completely invisible on passing downs-it really is like playing 10v10. I'm starting to think that makes him a lot less valuable than Revis, just because Revis is actively involved in so many plays.
Darren McFadden looks like by far the Raiders' most dangerous offensive weapon, while Zach Miller hasn't had any impact yet. I'm not sure if that says more about Miller and McFadden or the Titans' linebackers. Between Campbell's tendency to check down and the Raiders' JV wideouts, they may end up throwing deep less than any other team this year.
Doug Farrar: Matt Moore really impressed me on the first-quarter pick to Deon Grant -- that was the first throw I've ever seen into quintuple coverage.
Doug Farrar: The Colts have been treading the fine line of demarcation between Peyton Manning's excellence and that shaky pass pro for years, and this may be the year that the thing topples over to the wrong side. Texans getting pretty easy pressure early on. It will be interesting to see how Indy adjusts. I liked how they came out bunch left on the first play, but they didn't have time to take advantage of it.
Vince Verhei: Garcon redeemed himself somewhat with a one-handed catch on a corner route to set up a field goal near the end of the half, but the Colts are forcing him the ball -- a team-high eight targets at halftime -- and he's got three catches, 43 yards (26 on that one play) to show for it. Texans up 13-10 at the half.
In field-goal range, Houston goes for it on fourth-and-1. It looks like the Colts have Arian Foster boxed in, but he bounces outside, where Andre Johnson has blocked his man off the screen, and the Texans convert. Two third-down conversions later, he runs it in for one yard. Drive killed about half of the third quarter. Houston up 20-10.
Ben Muth: Joseph Addai looks really good. He's running well, catching the ball, and picking up blitzes. I have no idea what his stat line is, but he's played a heck of a game. The Colts line looks awful however.
Vince Verhei: Colts remember that Brian Cushing is out, the short zones are vulnerable, and start Addai-ing and Clark-ing their way down the field. In terms of yards, it's one of their better drives of the day. Once they cross midfield, though, drive stalls and a Mario Williams sack on third down forces a punt.
Remember when Houston drafted Williams and said they specifically wanted him to put pressure on Manning? Earlier they showed a graphic saying he had sacked Manning 5 1/2 times in his career, which was more than anyone else. I'm trying to decide if that should count as a success or not.
Will Carroll: Really, Ben? I'm seeing the same limited Addai. He's pass blocking, but he's got no burst, no vision and he's not been able to protect Manning because he can only pick up one guy. The fact that Brown hasn't touched the field is interesting.
Colts look awful, just awful, and this one has to go on Polian. He called out the line and did nothing - NOTHING - to strengthen it.
I don't buy the "no Sanders and the defense fails" thing either. They played without him a lot and Bullett's not doing much different that I can see.
I want to hold up the coronation of Arian Foster, too. He's good, yes, but the Colts aren't good either.
Ben Muth: I think he's ran hard and gotten what little was available. The burst isn't great, but I think it's been decent enough. Brown hasn't played since he let Mario Williams come free in the second quarter. The entire line slid to the right leaving Williams for the back. Brown decided to run into the tackle's back instead. I don't think they trust him in protection.
Bill Barnwell: Steelers are using Ike Redman as a short-yardage back early, not just as a guy near the goal line. He converted the first two chances he got, the Steelers were effective running the ball with Mendenhall, and then the drive stalled when the Falcons rushed three and Kroy Biermann outworked the right tackle and got Dixon to scramble prematurely. That's going to be a book on the Steelers without Roethlisberger if that continues to be the case. (Admittedly, sample size: one)
Seems like every pass the Falcons throw is a deep out to Roddy White. Steelers are almost exclusively lining up McFadden against him (not sure if it's a side thing or a matchup thing), but White's been pretty well contained.
Rough stretch for the Steelers after the pick, though. Missed field goal by Reed, followed by losing the coin toss. Momentum is not on their side.
Bill Barnwell: Rashard Mendenhall busts a 50-yard run out in overtime for the winner in Pittsburgh. Pretty bland game with two offenses that weren't really playing all that well. Great work by Ziggy Hood, who looks to be the next great defensive lineman in Pittsburgh, and he'll need to be -- Casey Hampton went down during the game.
Bill Barnwell: Bills' pass defense looks really good in the second half against the Dolphins. Bunch of passes defensed in a row. Unfortunately, the offense can't do anything.
Mike Kurtz: One drive in, and this looks like Martz's offense, and is being executed well. Jay Cutler went 3-of-4, and the incompletion was a perfect throw in the end zone that Devin Aromashodu simply dropped. Ended up with a field goal, but a really pretty drive to start the season.
Cutler with an awful series, lots of rollouts resulting in throws away or running out of bounds, followed by a bad throw down the middle into double coverage. One tip drill later, Lions have it in Chicago territory.
Doug Farrar: Meanwhile, Ndamukong Suh is looking pretty scary inside. Drawing double teams and still collapsing the interior line. He was doing that play after play against the Browns in preseason, so it isn't just the Bears' crappy line. You don't throw names like Joe Greene's around willy-nilly, but that's what I see with this guy.
Bill Barnwell: Julius Peppers just extended a Lions drive with a shot to Stafford's head on third down. Well, you can't say he's being lazy.
Doug Farrar: Now THAT’s how you run wide in the red zone, kids. Shotgun, three-wide, and Best getting to that hole in a big hurry. This is why I can’t drink the Forte Kool-Aid in his current offense – Forte is a glider, and you need to be a slasher when the gaps open and close as quickly as they do with a bad line.
Mike Kurtz: Olsen and Forte feel left out, chime in with a pair of fumbles in Lions territory. The Bears are shooting themselves in the foot and wasting a pretty good performance by Cutler and the defense thus far.
Stafford's throwing shoulder injured at the end of the half, still in the locker room at the start of the third quarter. Shaun Hill's in.
With all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over the Bears' pass blocking, the Achilles heel of the bears offense today has been the run blocking. It's been atrocious, and that's two goal-line drives where Forte got stuffed multiple times. Just pathetic.
Bill Barnwell: There are a lot of situations where teams should go for it on fourth-and-goal from the one-yard line. Down one point in the fourth quarter against a team that can't move the ball is not one of them. You have to kick there. Have to.
Ben Muth: That call by Lovie Smith is the kind of thing that gets coaches fired.
Mike Kurtz: Yeah. In the fourth quarter, down by 1, your opponent without their starting quarterback, with no first downs in the second half, with about 100 yards through the first 55 minutes of the game. Not taking the lead is beyond insane. Insane doesn't cover it. You need a new word, like mega-davis.
Cutler and Forte bail Lovie out. From the 20: false start, followed by -3 yard run by Taylor (Taylor? What?), followed by a brilliant 23-yard TD pass to Forte on a wheel route. Forte also lands on his head, but eh, who cares. Lovie comes to his senses enough to try for 2 to make it a 7-point game, but that fails.
Bill Barnwell: My lord. The Lions proceed to drive 60 yards and then hit Calvin Johnson with a lob in the end zone, but as Johnson falls down, the ball hits the ground and he lets go of it. Clearly a catch in any reality besides the one Calvin Johnson currently plays in.
Vince Verhei: He had both feet, one knee, and his ass on the ground before the ball came out. Catch all the way.
Aaron Schatz: Here's a hint: If the Patriots line up a trips bunch formation with the trips bunch way out on the edge, and two of the guys in the trips are tight ends, and the third is Wes Welker, you can probably count on a screen pass to Wes Welker.
Fred Taylor surprisingly nimble getting through holes early. Patriots using double tight ends on nearly every play, partly because they have only four active wide receivers, and one of those is Matt Slater who is basically just a special teams guy. They're actually putting Slater out there as a receiver but I am guessing he won't get thrown to all day.
Kevin Faulk is having a bad day so far, he's dropped two passes that would have converted third down. First one was a little high, but he should have had it. Second one he lost his footing while trying to catch.
The Bengals are doing an excellent job covering the Patriots on deep throws, with Chris Crocker making a great play to slap away a deep pass to Randy Moss, then Leon Hall just staying with Wes Welker and slapping away a touchdown in the end zone.
Patriots offense was hitting on all cylinders today. Pretty much everything worked except for deep throws. So I think that Joseph and Hall had reasonable games, but the Cincinnati front seven was really disappointing. They couldn't get any pass pressure and they let the Patriots gain a lot of yardage on the ground as well, with Taylor slipping through a lot of holes plus a couple of Faulk draws.
As for the Bengals offense, they looked like the offensive line had given back all the improvement from a year ago. The Patriots had much more pass pressure on Palmer than anyone would have expected, and Cedric Benson was mostly stuffed at the line. Later on, Bernard Scott had some better runs and the announcers were praising his speed, but I think it may have had less to do with Scott's talent as opposed to Benson's, and more to do with the fact that the Pats were winning by two or three touchdowns at this point and were playing more conservatively on defense.
By the way, the point of motion is often to force the defense to show you what they are doing, right? The Bengals ran a lot of a formation today that started out as full house, but then one of the up tight ends would motion to the standard tight end spot on the other side. I was trying to figure out what that's supposed to show. Maybe if the linebackers slightly shift it shows they are in zone coverage? Other ideas, anyone?
David Gardner: Cadillac Williams is getting no help from his offensive line, but he looks fast and his cuts are strong. He's running well in space.
Jake Delhomme is playing exactly how you'd expect -- he's being reckless with the football. He gave the Bucs the ball at the 3-yard line via an interception at the end of the first half. This let the Bucs tie it up and kept them in the game on the second half.
Josh Freeman showed both sides of himself on the last drive. On consecutive plays, he overthrew a wide open Mike Williams which would have put the ball at the 3-yard line, then he hit a well covered Micheal Spurlock for the winning score.
Mike Tanier: It was a vintage Delhomme game. You had one great touchdown pass, a few good decisions early, and then this long pseudo-Favre unraveling. The highlights will show the interceptions. They won't show the pistol offense rollout play where, at the last second with no one open, he tries to option-pitch the ball about six yards backward. The only person who looked more like Jake than Jake today was Matt Moore.
Also, someone verify this for me: when the Browns ran the Josh Cribbs Senecat, they ran Seneca Wallace in for Delhomme, then put Wallace at wide receiver. You know, to tip the defense that they were up to something. I didn't know you could do something that inane without Michael Vick being involved.
Vince Verhei: Ladies and gentlemen, Seattle's starting left tackle to open the 2010 season: Tyler Polumbus.
First play from scrimmage: Matt Hasselbeck is intercepted.
49ers score five plays and 24 yards later, although the touchdown is being reviewed.
This all happened before the sports bar even had a chance to put the game on. Has a season ever been lost before anyone even saw it?
Touchdown is reversed, and the Seahawks defense stiffens. 49ers kick a field goal to go up 3-0. There's still hope, I suppose.
Doug Farrar: Alex Smith checking down on third-and-goal. Some things never change.
On the third play of their second drive, the Seahawks motion to what I guess I would have to call a quad right -- four receivers bunched in a diamond shape -- with three heading out and Deion Branch staying behind for the quick screen. Gain of 3. I'm not sure that one wasn't from the Greg Knapp cookbook.
Vince Verhei: 49ers drive down inside the 10. On third-and-1, they go with an unbalanced line, and then run to the weak side. Gore is predictably stuffed. They go for it on fourth-and-1. Play-action, and Moran Norris is wide-open in the flat ... and Smith throws too high. Norris gets his fingers on it, but can't pull it in.
Most positive sign for Seattle so far: A defensive back keeps coming up from deep in the secondary and making plays. Is this one of those "safeties" I've heard so much about? In Seattle, safeties are usually only seen missing tackles and chasing receivers into the end zone. Earl Thomas is like a drink of fresh water.
Seahawks' third drive ends with more cuteness: A screen pass in which Justin Forsett catches the ball on the left side of the field, but all his blockers are still in the middle. The big men scramble over and try to throw blocks, but it's too little, too late. Three possessions, one interception, two punts, no first downs.
Doug Farrar: And a string of boos from the Qwest Faithful. Being in the press box for a game like this is like outfitting your media room with the best possible home entertainment armada and showing "Dude, Where's My Car?" to break everything in.
Yeah, Thomas is looking good out there. As a tackler, he's much more efficiently aggressive early on than I thought he would be from his college tape.
Bill Barnwell: 49ers have gone for it on three fourth downs now. The first one was a Smith air mail, the second was a converted pass to Michael Crabtree, and the third ended up being a delay of game. Eighth-least likely team to go for it on fourth down last year. Interesting.
Vince Verhei: Seahawks score a go-ahead touchdown on a one-yard Hasselbeck rollout keeper. Play was set up by a beautifully timed out-and-up to Mike Williams. Hasselbeck's pump fake and Williams' route had Nate Clements looking like a fool.
Alex Smith throws what should have been a third-down conversion, but the pass bounces off the receiver and into the hands of Jordan Babineaux. Seahawks score again on the next play, and it looks like a replay of the Williams catch: Pump fake, hitch-and-go, wide-open receiver. This time it's Deon Butler. Seahawks have been outgained by 70 yards, but they're up 14-6 on turnovers and red-zone execution.
Doug Farrar: What on earth was Tarell Brown doing on that touchdown? Giving Butler directions to the end zone?
Vince Verhei: So, after I wrote them off, the Seahawks have spent the entire game making me look silly. Or at least, Alex Smith has. He's who-was-he- throwing-to? bad. Every team will have miscommunication once in a while, but Smith has lost the benefit of the doubt by now -- his passes are landing between receivers, going to the wrong shoulder, hitting the turf with no 49ers in sight. One pass went several yards above and behind Michael Crabtree and into the arms of Marcus Trufant, who took it to the house. It's kind of embarrassing.
Doug Farrar: Smith is throwing like hell -- a bunch of checkdowns in dumb situations and OB misfires off of rollouts -- but it's also pretty obvious that he and Crabtree are not on the same page.
Vince Verhei: It's also important to remember that San Francisco got inside the 10 three times in the first half and came away with six points. This could easily be 28-17 or 28-21 right now, and a totally different game.
Doug Farrar: I think Seattle's defense may be a bit better than expected, because a.) they finally have a safety with range, and b.) they're using 5-2 fronts pretty judiciously and making them work. But every San Francisco projection in the world ends with, "...if Alex Smith can prove that he's at least a replacement-level NFL quarterback." So far, no good.
And there's your Tyler Polumbus moment, Vince -- late in the third quarter, he gets abused by Travis LaBoy and gives up a sack. It's not often you hear the term "abused by Travis LaBoy," which adds further credence to the thoughts of one Mr. Barnwell on the Polumbus situation.
Vince Verhei: I am watching Derek Anderson and Alex Smith on two side-by-side TVs. This is opening weekend, right? They didn't extend the exhibition season by a week?
Bill Barnwell: Are you a UFL scout?
David Gardner: Rough start for Aaron Rodgers. On the first series, he takes a sack and it looks like he's facemasked. Then he throws the most ridiculous interception of the season, which was almost intercepted by an Eagles' DB, then tipped into the hands of another.
Bill Barnwell: Leonard Weaver just suffered a gruesome knee injury. Couldn't put any weight on it whatsoever. Players were praying on the field. Weaver was in tears as he was being carried off.
Will Carroll: Weaver's injury was McCallum-esque.
Mike Tanier: Local media already says Weaver is out for the year. I agree. The whole sports bar gasped. I never want to see the replay again.
BTW, the local radio sideline report is sponsored by both Grey Goose and Jack Daniels. Because you have to have all your bases covered, binging-wise.
Aaron Schatz: I think Aikman and Buck are right that the Eagles seem to be using the Vick package a little too much today, but in the first quarter they showed the perfect place where it makes sense. Vick came in on third-and-25 or so, with the goal being to get into field goal range. I don't have numbers on this, it is a guess on my part, but I think mobile quarterbacks like that are probably your best bet to get 10-15 yards on a third down with 20 or more to go, because they can take off but eventually someone is going to get to them.
Sean McDermott's Eagles throwback long sleeve t-shirt coaches wear may be the coolest item of clothing I have ever seen a coach wear on the sidelines. I want one. I wonder if the Eagles could go to the kelly green full-time but make it look more modern by, perhaps, outlining the numbers and the helmet wings in black?
Ryan Grant is slicing through the Eagles in the second quarter. He's getting some very large holes. For all their pass-blocking problems, which have been very evident today, the Packers have had very good consistent run blocking for about a year and a half now. Unfortunately, after looking excellent on three straight runs, Grant had some sort of foot injury and had to come off.
Mike Kurtz: There are going to be like 5 players standing by the end of GB/PHI. Crazy.
Tom Gower: Stewart Bradley just tried to be another football hero with a head injury. He goes head-first for a tackle on Jennings, gets shaken up, then tries to walk off the field before stumbling. He goes down but tries to get his teammates to help him up before they sensibly decide to wait for the trainers to check him out.
Bill Barnwell: He's back in two plays later. Are you kidding me?
Will Carroll: No. There was a call for leading with helmet early in Colts game, but it was blatant, spearing-style and right in front of Hochuli. I don't see any real difference in how the PLAYERS and coaches are dealing with head injuries.
Aaron Schatz: At some point, I would love to do an interview series where we ask NFL scouting directors what they missed about guys they drafted high who didn't work out, and what everybody else missed about guys they picked up undrafted who became good starters. If we ever do it, we can start with Brandon Jackson and Ryan Grant. I definitely agree with the general FO view that running backs are fungible, but they aren't all completely equal, and there's no question that Grant just looks much, much better and performs a lot better behind the same line. What did scouts miss about Grant and Jackson coming out of school that Grant went undrafted and Jackson went in the second round?
Mike Tanier: The Eagles are still in the game at half because their front seven is very fast, the Packers tackles are old, and Sav Rocca is punting his Aussie foot off. I think Juqua Parker may be the best player ever to be replaced every single year.
Mike Tanier: Oh great, Vick at quarterback for how long? Two games? Three? My cup runneth over.
Aaron Schatz: Patriots fans may recognize the Ellis Hobbs "let a guy run past you with no contact" technique used on the third-quarter Greg Jennings touchdown that made it 27-10. And when Bill Simmons reads this sentence in Audibles, he will light himself on fire.
Mike Tanier: This kid Buckley is one of those hard-hitting clueless guys. Ryan Moats Junior. Doesn't know a fair catch when he sees one. This is shaping up to be an unmitigated disaster.
Mike Kurtz: The more we see Green Bay vs. Vick, it's clear that they didn't have a real "Vick" plan. He's been getting huge gains on the ground and some modest success in the air because Green Bay is playing Vick the exact same way they were playing Kolb. No extensive spying, no zone blitzing, nothing. And while Green Bay is still in command, Vick has really made them pay.
Aaron Schatz: Here's a surprise: in the fourth quarter, Vick seems to have suddenly discovered his accuracy. He's whipping it in there, and whipping it into the right places. Maybe a little low sometimes, but not totally off like a couple of his early throws.
Vince Verhei: Part of it is what Kurtz said about GB not having a Vick plan. Part of it is just that Vick is having one of his good games. He's had plenty of 60-percent completion rate games. The problem is, he usually followed them with 40-percent completion games. It's not that he was never good, it's just that he was usually bad, and you never knew which Vick you were getting. (Although Bad Vick was a safer bet.)
Bill Barnwell: Yeah. In games with 15 attempts or more, Vick's had a completion percentage of 60 percent or more just about 35 percent of the time. He's also been below 50 percent 35 percent of the time.
Mike Kurtz: Green Bay is now going to ignore its greatest strength, the passing game, and run telegraphed power rushes in an attempt to eat up 5 minutes. This is not going to happen.
Mike Tanier: Part of it is the lack of a "Vick plan," as you said. Part is that the Eagles offensive line is playing better now that Jamaal Jackson left the game and the team is paying more attention to interior protection.
Vince Verhei: The entire Green Bay defense is exhausted. they were not prepared to chase this man for nearly a full game.
And then on fourth-and-1 with the game on the line, they run Vick into the line for no game. Gee, I wonder if the Packers may have been expecting that?
Ben Muth: After trying to throw the ball for most of the first half, the Cardinals commit to running it and go right down the field for 6.
Like the Rams call to go for it on fourth-and-goal from the one. They ran a nice play action rollout for the score to tie it up going into the half. Bradford looks pretty good.
Mike Tanier: This big lineman Clifton Ryan, 324 pounds, starts rumbling for an apparent touchdown. Steve Breaston Beebe's him and punches the ball out at the one-yard line. Cardinals recover for a touchback. Futility, thy name is the Rams.
Bill Barnwell: Neither team in Rams-Cardinals deserves much more than scorn. It's been a pretty ugly football game.
Doug Farrar: When we’re to the point where we’re saying, “You know, Max Hall looked pretty darned good in the preseason…” we know we’re in a lot of quarterback trouble.
Aaron Schatz: Has Bradford been missing guys high like this all day?
Ben Muth: He started off bad, found a little bit of a groove before the half, and has been shaky since coming back out for the second half.
Vince Verhei: Does Sam Bradford know that he has timeouts? And that he is allowed to use them to stop the clock? This is one horrendous one-minute drill right here. Ten seconds to go and the Rams still have two timeouts left. They've been scrambling around like ants as the seconds have ticked away.
Aaron Schatz: The good news is that Trent Williams is doing a pretty good job of holding off DeMarcus Ware. The bad news is that the Redskins should never, ever let anyone else try to block DeMarcus Ware.
Egads, Dallas. Please stop with the quick hitches and screens to Dez Bryant. You aren't fooling the Redskins here. They see them all coming, and on top of that, the guys moving out to block on the screens have done a bad job. Stop already.
Bill Barnwell: Great decision by Marion Barber to throw that halfback pass away. There was nothing there and he didn't force it. Simple play, but pretty huge downside there.
Mike Tanier: I have to diagram that Haynesworth sideline thing. Hold on.
Aaron Schatz: Romo is just totally off today, and it is clearly the pressure. Between this game and the Colts loss, I think we've demonstrated that you need to have a somewhat passable offensive line to maintain an offensive juggernaut.
Bill Barnwell: I don't know. The Cowboys are moving the ball pretty well most of the time, but then they end up running some stupid smoke to Bryant or a run play gets blown up for a loss on second down and they end up in a third-and-long and can't convert.
Aaron Schatz: Even a couple of those throws, though, the reason why they can't get yardage on them after the catch is that they are off a little bit. But yeah, I guess looking at the numbers he has more completions than I would have thought.
A Tony Romo-Tashard Choice lateral play with four seconds left before the half ends in disaster for the Cowboys...
Mike Tanier: Oh, that was vintage.
Aaron Schatz: The problem with the gunslinger mentality: Under pressure, you start to think things like, "hey, if I just flip the ball to that back over there, maybe he can weave through guys for 80 yards" without thinking "hey, if I flip the ball to that back over there, maybe it gets stripped and we are oompa loompa dupity-screwed."
Ben Muth: More games are lost than won in the first week.
Mike Kurtz: I agree with Rodney Harrison. That was the dumbest play I have ever seen.
Mike Tanier: In fairness, the back needs to know to just go down or out of bounds, not to tempt the big-play minded showoff cornerback into trying to strip the ball.
Especially if the back is the third guy in a three-man committee.
Bill Barnwell: Bad scene, everyone's fault.
Aaron Schatz: Boy oh boy, the Cowboys are getting sweet coverage tonight. The Redskins offensive line is doing a pretty good job of containing the pass rush but the Cowboys defensive backs seem like they are on top of nearly everything.
The Redskins take a successful field goal off the board to accept an offsides penalty and then promptly botch the snap on a field goal attempt several plays later.
Mike Tanier: That botched field goal looks like it could be the turning point.
Romo just threw a little smoke route to Roy Williams on 1st-and-10. No one blocked on it (it wasn't a screen, just a quick pass to an uncovered receiver), and Williams' body language suggested that he had no interest in catching the pass or trying to gain yards after the catch. He kind-of waited to get wrapped at the ankles, braced himself by leaning on the defender, and fell forward. I love watching him play.
Oooh, penalty on Alex Barron! I think Orakpo has drawn two tonight.
Aaron Schatz: The holding on Barron is followed by a false start on Doug Free that makes it third-and-26. You all thought that the second flag would also be Barron, didn't you? I know I did.
Bill Barnwell: Impressive drive here by the Redskins to try and close this game out. Really simple stuff, runs up the middle with effective blocking and good pass protection on low-risk passes to Cooley and Moss. Of course, then Larry Johnson runs a sweep out of bounds.
Aaron Schatz: By the way, how many times tonight has Cris Collinsworth said "Boy, it's starting to look like Shanahan's offense now, isn't it?" Maybe eight? Nine? Is it up to ten yet?
Mike Tanier: You know, this is one of the best games I have ever seen DeAngelo Hall have.
Bill Barnwell: Hall's had a great game, especially tackling on the edges -- whole Redskins team has tackled well.
Oh my, that's an awful time for a blown coverage by the Redskins.
Mike Kurtz: Of course, the game ends on a holding by Alex Barron that calls back a touchdown.
Doug Farrar: Holy crap – that was like three holds in one. They should start the next Cowboys game with a holding penalty on Barron just for the hell of it.
Tim Gerheim: Odds are they will.
Bill Barnwell: You know, Bobby Carpenter's not very good, but he never cost the Cowboys a win by himself.
Mike Kurtz: It should be mentioned that there was no TD throw absent the hold. Without the mugging it would just be a sack at the end, lots of finger-pointing, and a big postgame meltdown.
Mike Tanier: So, the difference of this game was the Romo-to-Choice bad choice at the end of the half. How mind-boggling.
Doug Farrar: A few Microsoft Word copy/paste macros I'm working on already (feel free to add to the list):
"Greg Camarillo would have gotten that one." "Jay Cutler forced out of the pocket." "Jim Mora is annoying the crap out of me."
Mike Kurtz: Tony Dungy Sounds Like 1920s Man: "My big winner is the Houston Texans football team."
Good that he clarified that, I thought he was talking about the ice cream stand.
Vince Verhei: Early nominee for best commercial of the year: Ray Lewis' Old Spice ad. Either of them.
Early nominee for worst commercial of the year: The Survivor ad featuring a shirtless Jimmy Johnson.
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