Is Kurt Warner a Hall of Fame quarterback? We dissect both sides of the case from multiple angles.
13 Dec 2010
compiled by Bill Barnwell
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Tom Gower: It was very easy to see what a big loss Kenny Britt was to the Titans' offense. His ability as a deep threat wasn't on display tonight, but his ability to catch imperfectly thrown balls and do something with the football on short and intermediate passes was, and has been something they've really missed.
Mike Mayock on Playbook this week highlighted Chris Johnson for not pressing the hole on runs and giving up yardage. He still looked to cutback a little more than he should, I thought, but did a better job of taking available yardage tonight than he has in recent games. He also had I believe two runs longer than any single run he had against the Colts last year, when they did a good job of limiting his big plays at the cost of letting him have consistent success, especially in the game in Indianapolis.
Peyton looked like Peyton, more or less. He hit Reggie Wayne for a couple deep passes against Cortland Finnegan. He exploited rookie Alterraun Verner in coverage, including for a couple first downs. The Colts ran the draw with success in some key situations. Titans had a couple crucial penalties, legit calls, on third-and-goal to give the Colts first downs they converted into scores.
The Titans defense as a whole lacks a consistent playmaker. They did better in the second half, limiting the Colts to three field goals instead of three touchdowns, but they don't really deserve much credit for stops -- Blair White tipped one away from Wayne and Peyton just missed Eldridge on another. If they hit those, it's 35-21 and Fisher obviously goes for it.
Bill Barnwell: Someone, please, anybody, sell me on that decision to punt on fourth-and-1 with four minutes to go.
Aaron Schatz: Nope. Can't do it. Should have gone for it.
Tom Gower: Your defense of punting: It's a six-point game, so you only need one score. There are 4 minutes to play and you have three timeouts left. Caldwell has shown a willingness to play conservatively -- see, e.g., the Super Bowl and the end of the first half of this game. If you stop them on one pass, you get the ball back with probably 3:30 to play, plenty of time to drive the ball down the field for a score.
If you go for it, you're only at your own 35-yard line if you just get the one yard. You're still 65 yards away, and your offense has had trouble consistently executing the last five or so weeks. You may have a punt/go-for-it decision again on, say, fourth-and-9 but with only 3:00 to play from your own 37. If you fail, though, the Colts if they get five yards are in field goal range, and if they get a field goal, you lose. Plus, punting gives Marc Mariani another crack at a return to give you a big play for good field position.
What was really bad, though, was the last drive. They should have tried a field goal no later than the 42-yard attempt with :55 left after Cook made it out of bounds on the sideline. The ONLY way I can think of that strategy makes sense is if your priority is covering, not winning the game.
Bill Barnwell: You can't be really concerned about the next fourth down situation; that can come up regardless of what you do. Even if you stop them and they punt, maybe Mariani breaks a big play, but the vast majority of the time, you're ending up right back where you are with two minutes off the clock.
Tom Gower: The Titans this year have been horrible in Power situations. They're converting 45% of the time, at the bottom of the league (the Bears are technically 32nd, but also at 45%). The Colts D has actually been a little above average, 59%. Maybe they pass, maybe your chance of converting is a little higher than that, but the chance you don't get it is maybe 35%. If that happens, you're guaranteed to lose. By punting, you are delaying the moment when that could happen and giving your strongest units (yes, the defense hasn't been great, but the offense is still mediocre and can't execute consistently, plus Mariani) a chance to help you out. If Hope or McCourty manages to tackle Garcon, the Colts actually may go 3-and-out and you then have 3-plus minutes when you know you're in 4-down territory the entire drive.
I'm not sure if I agree with this strategy or not, but I think this is how Fisher (or a hypothetical smart coach who decides to punt there) is thinking about the decision to punt, and as I said on twitter, it never crossed my mind Fisher would go for it there.
Bill Barnwell: The difference between converting fourth-and-1 and fourth-and-2 (and first/second-and-goal) is pretty dramatic -- just about 20 percentage points worse. And you have to consider the opponent on both the power situations and then when you're giving the ball away; it's still Peyton Manning out there.
Bill Barnwell: Finally freed from the specter of Albert Haynesworth, Donovan McNabb one-hops a pass on third down to a wide-open Chris Cooley, and then Graham Gano puts a 34-yard field goal onto an upright.
Doug Farrar: With two minutes left in the first quarter, Washington’s Ryan Torain has 118 rushing yards against a Tampa Bay team that already ranks 31st in Defensive Adjusted Line Yards. Gerald McCoy is out of the game, as well. We’ve talked about it before, but I still wonder about the people who said that McCoy would be better than Suh – what secret film were they watching?
Bill Barnwell: OK. So Daryl Johnston and Tony Siragusa say that the Redskins shouldn't over think it and just continue to run the ball. (Moose also went into a point about Brandon Jackson averaging 13 yards per carry before he flat-out stopped in mid-sentence; Jackson had a total of 13 yards on four carries against the 49ers last week and hasn't played the Bucs, so I have no idea what he was getting at.) So when you pass the ball effectively, you need to run the ball to create balance, but when you can run the ball effectively repeatedly, you shouldn't get over think it and get away from it?
Arrelious Benn gets behind DeAngelo Hall's defense for the second time today, ending up about six inches short of the end zone. Normally, that just means the team runs it in for a touchdown on the next play. Instead, Josh Freeman comes out of the snap with empty hands, and as he recoils in horror (and the running back dives over the mass of people going for the loose ball, hilariously enough), the Redskins recover.
The Redskins just scored on a play that might have been fifth down. The FOX graphics said fourth down, but that might have been third down. Either way, the Redskins scored on the next play, but then they promptly drop the snap on the extra point; with misses from 24 and 34 yards and a botched XP, Graham Gano may have had one of the worst games in kicking history.
Tom Gower: So apparently what happened is Fox didn't notice the Redskins got a first down on their first play from scrimmage and not a nine-yard gain that left it second-and-1.
Doug Farrar: Funny that they didn’t go to Mike Pereira that time.
Bill Barnwell: The Browns run the ball on eight consecutive plays to start the game against the Bills. The last of those runs is a stuff of Peyton Hillis on third-and-goal from the 1-yard line. Eric Mangini is overwhelmed by the evidence from this one play and decides to kick a field goal instead of going for it.
Bill Barnwell: I can't reconcile "Our running game is so effective we can run the ball eight straight times" with "We can't get a foot on fourth down."
Doug Farrar: The Browns get the ball back in Buffalo territory into a Ryan Fitzpatrick fumble, and immediately go back to the 1925 Providence Steam Roller playbook they used on the first drive, with yet another handoff to Peyton Hillis. Hillis tries to hurdle a defender and immediately gives the ball back.
Will Carroll: I'm guessing the Steam Rollers didn't try to leap over anyone.
Doug Farrar: Maybe Pudge Heffelfinger did. I’ll check it out.
Tim Gerheim: Yes, I think that was more of a Pottsville Maroons move.
Tom Gower: Watching Red Zone Channel, host Andrew Siciliano says we go to the Browns and Bills, where Jake Delhomme tried to throw another interception. Cue analyst Steve Beuerlein saying "That was a good decision by Jake Delhomme."
Doug Farrar: Speaking of quarterbacks digging their own graves with a backhoe, I give you Jake Delhomme’s first-quarter line: 1 of 2 for 1 yard.
Bill Barnwell: Stevie Johnson catches a pass for the Bills. Here's what Steve Beuerlein has to say. "Very good throw by Ryan Fitzpatrick, you see the ball come out of there. He's got a live arm. And this guy, Stevie Johnson on the outside...well-documented, the big drop against Pittsburgh a couple of weeks ago that would've won the game for the Bills. Sheldon Brown gave a little bit too much room, but Stevie Johnson is a guy .. 61 catches coming into this game, he's really established himself as a top wide receiver in this league."
Now, this took Beuerlein a full replay and all of the play clock to say. What exactly did he impart that we don't already know about Stevie Johnson? And I mean, I'm not saying we at Football Outsiders know, or a hardcore fan knows, or a dedicated fantasy player knows. I'm saying what did Steve Beuerlein say that someone who has interest in watching the Browns and Bills play football on TV wouldn't be able to say? That Sheldon Brown gave too much cushion. Quoting a guy's reception total and saying he's a guy? That isn't insight. It isn't analysis. It's reading from a set of media notes. That we're at the point where that's expertise, where that's a skill that only ex-players have and it requires more than minimum wage ... that's embarrassing.
Later on, Don Criqui calls a Hail Mary pass on the final play of the half by Jake Delhomme a "poorly-thrown ball, a dangerous one". What on Earth? It's a HAIL MARY. It actually hit a Browns receiver in the hands in the end zone. I understand the rush to call every Jake Delhomme pass a dangerous one, but that's just absurd. It's like he's never watched a football game.
Will Carroll: Stanton avoided a sack, then put up a floater into the end zone for an interception. I doubt it's measured, but in a sack-avoidance scramble like that, I wonder if there's any significant difference in decision making. Even throwing it away or taking the sack would be more positive than what he just did.
Ben Muth: Greg Jennings just let a ball go through his hands and bounce off his helmet for a pick deep down the field. It's the kind of play you see made in a kids football movie before the having fun montage takes place, and the team turns it around.
Mike Tanier: The Lions tried to commit three penalties during that Jennings tip drill interception, but they couldn't get it overturned.
Aaron Schatz: What was amazing about the Jennings pick is that it didn't bounce that high, and just went straight into Amari Spievey's hands. I mean, Spievey didn't have to do anything. The ball was just there. Lions get away with it because two of those three penalties were on the return, and the third penalty was actually not a penalty, illegal contact called off because Rodgers was out of the pocket.
The announcers here seem surprised that the Packers aren't spreading it out and going to the air more against the poor Detroit defensive backs. But while it is true that the Lions have a weak secondary, they also have a very good pass rush -- a much better pass rush than they do a run defense. As a result, their run defense and pass defense are pretty much equivalent.
Aaron Schatz: Pretty much everything sails on Stanton. Honestly, I don't see why he should even be in the league next year. The Lions can easily find a better third quarterback in the late rounds of the draft.
Ben Muth: The Packers had two holding calls on the same running play. They still lost two yards.
Aaron Schatz: The Lions ran spread read-option with Drew Stanton (!?!) and Stanton kept it for 17 yards. Seriously. They ran it again a couple plays later, with less success. Still, Drew Stanton? 17 yards?
Matt Flynn will play the final 1:10 of the first half for Green Bay. I'm wondering if Aaron Rodgers got a concussion on the last drive. He had a big scramble down the middle of the field, and got slammed by Landon Johnson. Johnson was using all shoulder, no intent to hurt Rodgers, but the same can't be said for the turf. That's the biggest problem with the concussion issue -- no amount of rules against hard hits can protect against head-to-ground hits.
Bill Barnwell: I don't think anyone's suggesting concussions are going to be eradicated by eliminating particular hard hits that are responsible for a disproportionate amount of concussions.
Aaron Schatz: It's official, they do say Rodgers got a concussion and is done for the day. This teaches two other lessons:
1) Quarterbacks really need to remember to slide on long scrambles to make hard hits like this much less likely. 2) Green Bay really should have considered playing better in the first half so that they would not be stuck going into halftime in a scoreless game they really need to win to make the playoffs.
Doug Farrar: Yeah, he looked as if he couldn't name the planets, and he may have been on a different one.
We now know what it takes for Lawrence Jackson to get a sack -- put him up against a rookie, and put Ndamukong Suh next to him. I'd mention who drafted Jackson (10 sacks in three years) in the first round, but Tim would put me in the penalty box.
Ben Muth: Considering Rodgers played football at Cal, he'd probably struggle to name the planets anyway.
Aaron Schatz: You know how I said Drew Stanton sails everything? I mean EVERYTHING. He just overthrew a wide-open fullback in the flat, the hot read on a cornerback blitz by Charles Woodson. Lofted it... about five yards behind him.
And, with 7:10 left in the third quarter, one of the teams in the Packers-Lions game finally converts a third down, when Matt Flynn scrambles for 12 on third-and-10. Of course, he dives at the end to get the first, and Mike McCarthy is freaking out on the sidelines, because the Packers have already lost one quarterback to a hit on a scramble and they have no other quarterbacks on the roster.
You know, I'm going to have to question Mike McCarthy's decision to go for the home run deep touchdown pass on fourth-and-1 with a minute left, down by four. You don't want to, you know, try to get a yard and four opportunities for that home run pass?
Mike Tanier: I hated the Matt Flynn fourth-and-1 bomb. I think the Packers called six or seven bombs up the sidelines when Flynn entered the game, completing one of them.
Tom Gower: On the McFadden 67-yard TD on the dumpoff, veteran NFL watchers probably won't be surprised to learn Sean Considine was involved in the play.
Tim Gerheim: Whenever they talk about the Jaguars lately, they put up a graphic showing that they have the fewest offensive 3-and-outs in the league. The next two best teams in that are Houston and Indianapolis; do we think this stat is descriptive of the offenses or does it suggest that the AFC South is full of dreadful defenses?
Doug Farrar: Terrance Knighton is probably the best defensive tackle nobody’s talking about, but he may be the only guy on that Jacksonville defense who knows how to tackle.
Bill Barnwell: Knighton can play alongside Kyle Williams up front on the "It's Not My Fault" team.
Matt Shaughnessy just ran over the Jaguars left tackle; I didn't see the number, but I'm assuming it was Eugene Monroe. He punched him and Monroe just fell on his ass, and then Shaughnessy ran over him to get a half-sack.
Tim Gerheim: The announcers in Jacksonville-Oakland commented that this game features two running quarterbacks. Garrard's a good scrambler, but Jason Campbell runs like Kerry Collins. This game features two black quarterbacks, guys; that's not the same thing.
Bill Barnwell: Solomon Wilcots just noted that it's surprising that Maurice Jones-Drew trails several backs with inferior numbers in the fan voting for the Pro Bowl. I wonder if any of us can think of a reason why that might be the case.
Tom Gower: The Raiders elected to run a direct snap play on third-and-three in the red zone. Did they direct snap it to Darren McFadden, the best college Wildcat QB of recent vintage? No, they put McFadden in the backfield but as a running back, next to wildcat QB Jacoby Ford, who kept the ball. Ford lost 2 yards on the play.
Tim Gerheim: There's a challenge going on in Jacksonville, where Mike Thomas caught a long ball over the middle, but the corner wrestled it out of his hand on the way down and Mike Mitchell (most mocked second round pick in history) caught it in the air. It was ruled a catch down by contact. As I understand it, if that ball hits the ground instead of getting "recovered," it's a Calvin Johnson incomplete pass.
The Raiders win the challenge and the ref calls it an interception, although he did say (unnecessarily in my mind) that the ball came out before Thomas was down by contact. Even if Thomas was down, if he lost control of the ball in the process of going to the ground, it would be an incomplete pass, so after being caught by Mitchell it would be an interception, not a non-fumble.
Vince Verhei: Jason Campbell may not be a prolific runner, but between folklore and scrambles he is on the move a lot today. He's got a knack for teasing a run, drawing linebackers and safeties up to tackle him, and getting receivers open in the process. Then he's throwing these ugly off- balance throws, but they're getting where they need to be.
Tim Gerheim: The Jaguars just held on an MJD run that turned out to be a loss of three. The Raiders took the penalty to make is second-and-20 instead of third-and-13. There have to be situations, short of bringing up fourth down, where you're better off declining the penalty. Is there any research out there on down vs. yards-to-go equivalency?
Of course, Garrard throws a 48-yard score to Jason Hill on 3rd down, making the down and distance issue rather moot.
Kevin Harlan and Solomon Wilcots are persistently ignorant that a coach can't challenge three times in one game unless he wins both of the first two. Tom Cable challenged that goofy fumble/interception I talked about earlier, and he threw one away on a long Rashad Jennings run, losing the challenge. The Jaguars just hit a touchdown pass to Sims-Walker, but the toe on his second foot may well have come down on the sideline, and the announcers spent a lot of time and energy checking whether Cable should challenge. When the extra point went up, they figured that Cable didn't want to risk losing a second time out in the second half on a difficult-to-see close call. Or maybe he's out of challenges, guys. Unbelievable.
Another option sighting in the NFL: The Jags just gained about 15 on a Garrard run. All the action started to the left, then Garrard pivoted back right with, presumably, Jones-Drew, faked the pitch, ran inside the contain defender, and lumbered until he was pushed out of bounds. He probably should have gone out a yard earlier before contact though, but he probably hasn't heard about Aaron Rodgers yet.
Tom Gower: There's this bird that's been flying around EverBank Stadium for the last couple minutes. He made a cameo appearance during the kickoff the Raiders fumbled, I believe, and when the Jaguars kicked off after going up 31-24, he was sitting on the Raiders 10. He flew around a bit during the return, then when the action settled down and they made it past him landed on the 14. Not quite the pigeon in kickoff coverage, but still an unusual sight.
Tim Gerheim: Nice presnap play by Jason Campbell. The back (probably McFadden) started to motion out of the backfield, but Campbell waved him back into his spot. McFadden wound up responsible for blocking a defender coming from the offensive right, and Campbell completed a pass to his left for a first down. I don't know if it was a blitz or if that's just how the protection was designed, but it was a good catch by Campbell.
Later on the series McFadden had a fantastic run for a touchdown. First, a nice cutback to the outside to get behind a block that was pushing a linebacker to the inside. Then as he turns upfield he keeps his balance as a would-be tackler gets a shot on his legs. Then he just destroys a defensive back with a stiff-arm inside the 10 to get into the end zone and tie the game (by dint of the Raiders' kicking team not being the Redskins').
This game has turned into a big play fiesta. Immediately after that McFadden touchdown, Deji Karim returns the kickoff to the Oakland 30 and MJD scores on the first play. I foresee Jacoby Ford in our future.
Bill Barnwell: Considering the game was tied and it was inside two minutes, should MJD have kneeled at the 1-yard line?
Tim Gerheim: Oakland only had one time out, so I think they could have knelt out the game and kicked a field goal as time expired.
Doug Farrar: Seeing the attention Ben Roethlisberger is getting by wearing a visor on his helmet to protect his broken nose, Brett Favre immediately texts Ed Werder to tell him that if the Vikings had to play today, he’d probably have to break his own nose and wear a visor, too.
Vince Verhei: Carson Palmer throws into what looks like triple coverage, and Troy Polamalu flashes in to catch the ball and is in the end zone before you know it to tie the game. He dived over Palmer to get into the end zone. An amazing run and leap to score, but he comes up limping, although he did jog off the field.
Steelers kick a field goal to go up 10-7 very late in the second quarter. Roethlisberger threw near-picks on both second and third downs. On second down his pass was tipped at the line into the air, but the Bengals couldn't pull it in. On third down he tried to float a pass over a linebacker on the left side. The linebacker reached up and got both hands on the ball and probably should have intercepted it.
Aaron Schatz: Roethlisberger has ditched the visor for the second half.
Tim Gerheim: On a CBS highlight, unless my hearing fails me, James Brown just referred to LaMarr Woodley as "David." I have no idea who David Woodley is.
Bill Connelly: He seriously said David Woodley? That's the guy who started for the Dolphins between Griese and Marino, if I remember correctly. That's like calling Andrew Luck "Oliver" ... only 1000x less excusable.
Vince Verhei: Bengals are near midfield, down 16 points with three minutes and change to go, and are running play-action passes. What is the point of that? It's not like the Steelers are going to be jumping on the run there.
Rob Weintraub: In fairness to Palmer, they showed the all-22 at halftime, and it revealed that Owens stepped on a defender's foot coming out of his break, which caused him to stumble, and thus unable to get to the ball where it was thrown. Polamalu cleaned up. It wasn't as sensational a pick as it first appeared -- it seemed live like he shot in front of Owens, but it was a camera illusion. The leap for the flag was as sensational as it first appeared, however.
For what it's worth (not much), bad as the Bengals have played this season, it is mind-boggling that they are 2-11 and lost 10 straight for the first time since 1993. This team is light years better than the craptastic 90s teams, or even the 2008 putrid bunch. That team won its last 3, but they were a soft bunch. This year Cincy still has Baltimore, San Diego, and Cleveland.
Doug Farrar: On their second scoring drive, Matt Ryan tries to run it in on third-and goal and nearly gets decapitated by Panther linebacker Jon Beason. An offsides penalty gives the Falcons the play back, and the next move, which results in a touchdown, is to wisely give the ball to Michael Turner. I’d bet a few people on the Atlanta sideline went short of breath on that play.
Mike Tanier: Falcons using a ton of three tight end sets. That will happen when you start sitting on the clock in the second quarter.
Bill Barnwell: Jimmy Clausen just took a sack on fourth-and-4 where, at the time he was hit, he was facing the wrong end zone.
Mike Williams is out for Seattle, so that touchdown may be enough to give San Francisco the win.
Your intriguing sack of the day: on third-and-long, Seattle brings a heavy blitz, looked like six rushers. Aaron Curry, basically playing a three-technique tackle, ends up one-on-one with the right guard and destroys him taking Smith down and forcing a punt from the San Francisco end zone. Creative way to get a mismatch there.
Seahawks go with their usual third-down cuteness. Third-and-four, they start to line up in a typical formation, then everyone sprints to a different spot, with Michael Robinson in shotgun formation and Matt Hasselbeck out wide. At the snap, Hasselbeck steps backwards and does the "I'm open!" arm wave, a good seven yards behind the line of scrimmage. That was funny. Meanwhile, Robinson just runs straight ahead and picks up the first down.
Tom Gower: The Saints start out productive, going up 14-0 before the end of the first quarter. The Rams chip away with their normal offense -- a bunch of short gains, no downfield passes, but just enough to be productive. It's 14-6, then they get the ball at the 20 after Courtney Roby fumbles the kickoff (and gets hurt). One Jackson run, then Bradford throws deep for Gibson. But it's Cover-2, and he throws the ball too far inside, far enough Malcolm Jenkins can do his Darren Sharper impression, and a probable 14-9 or 14-13 game turns into 21-6, Saints. Poor throw by Bradford.
Bill Barnwell: Phil Simms: "You know Jim, you talk about the bad weather, I'll never forget -- I can't remember what game it was, maybe it was the Tennessee game -- [the Patriots] came out to practice and Belichick walks up..."
There's just something really funny about following "I'll never forget" immediately with "I can't remember".
Simms again: "Someone said to me this week, 'Jay Cutler, he's a game manager.'" No strawman could ever be wrangled into saying such a thing with any shred of sincerity. That's insane.
Doug Farrar: I find Simms to be fairly nonsensical most of the time.
Bill Barnwell: Then Simms mentions (based on, I believe, talking to Peppers) that playing in Chicago is a defensive lineman's dream; that the culture there is "...football! Defense!". That's really a deciding factor for players? Someone would choose Chicago over, say, San Diego because of the defensive line culture?
Vince Verhei: I'm in a bar showing most of the games, but instead of commentary they're playing blues music, Stevie Ray Vaughn and such. Much better than Phil Simms.
Bill Barnwell: It doesn't really look like the wind is affecting the throws by Cutler and Brady all that much; both of them are making accurate throws over the middle of the field, even on deeper routes. Cutler hasn't had the results that Brady's had -- a drop and fumble from Knox haven't helped -- but the issue looks to be more about footing than anything else.
Aaron Schatz: The Patriots are up 24-0 with about five minutes to go before halftime. Seven of those points came on a Johnny Knox catch-and-fumble with a Gary Guyton touchdown return. The other 17 points can be fairly attributed to the fact that the Patriots offensive line is much, much better than the Bears offensive line. The difference isn't even as big on passing plays as it is on running plays. On some of these 10-yard BenJarvus Green-Ellis runs, Dan Connelly and Sebastian Vollmer are just pushing guys back four or five yards at a time.
Bill Barnwell: More Simms. Simms, On the Bears and Pats getting into some post-play shoving matches: "You know, they probably should institute a rule, you know this, if you're losing by a lot of points, you're not allowed to fight. You've just gotta play. But sometimes, if that's what it takes, getting emotional, get a little fight going, hey, you do what you gotta do to get into the game."
So in this comment, Simms appears to be suggesting:
a) There should be a rule against fighting in blowouts. (There already is, from what I understand, a rule against fighting.) b) However, sometimes, it should be OK to fight if your team isn't in it.
Tim Gerheim: When the Bears played the Giants on Sunday night a couple months ago in the sacktastrophe, Cris Collinsworth commented hilariously, "somebody needs to put a tent on this circus!". The Bears have all three rings out again, and they deserve a big top.
Tim Gerheim: The Cardinals just executed the most ludicrous botched snap I have ever seen. It didn't even leave the ground, just rolled about an inch to the left. The silver lining of that is that the center was easily able to recover it.
Jay Feely has scored all 16 Arizona points, including a fake field goal rushing touchdown. This speaks to the skill of Red Skelton. The fact that they have 16 points speaks to the skill of the Denver Broncos.
Ben Muth: Jay Feely is doing his best Ernie Nevers (Stanford) impression. Also, this game is tough to watch.
Mike Tanier: Ben, one more Stanford homer reference and you will be cardinaljoe.
Bill Barnwell: Mark Sanchez nearly threw a pick to Sean Smith on the first drive of the game; on the second drive of the game, he did throw a pick that the Dolphins converted on a 47-yard field goal. Sanchez and Chad Henne have started the game 0-for-7.
Mike Tanier: The Dolphins are running a ton of Wildcat wrinkles.
Bill Barnwell: Sanchez gets started in the second quarter with a nice slant against the blitz, but on the next third down, Dustin Keller cuts off his route and Sanchez hits Sean Smith in the chest. So that's four drives with one interception, two near-interceptions to Smith, and a fumble.
Drive six: Sanchez makes two nice throws and then air-mails a screen. Then he gets Santonio Holmes open in the end zone and Holmes does his best Stevie Johnson impression.
Seventh drive: After the Jets recover a Ronnie Brown fumble, a Sanchez pass to Cotchery gets dropped and falls into the hands of a Dolphins defender, but he's out of bounds.
I neglected my Sanchez watch, but I turned this game back on long enough to see Sanchez throw a pass as he was falling down that went through a diving Sean Smith's hands. Then the Dolphins deflected away another deep pass.
Tim Gerheim: Too bad Sean Smith isn't covering Braylon Edwards. They deserve each other. Anything at all could go on on their side of the field, Sanchez could throw as well or poorly as he wanted, and it wouldn't matter because nobody would catch a thing.
Bill Barnwell: What happened in the Jets game? Someone on the Jets sideline tripped Nolan Carroll?
Tim Gerheim: More like subtly kneed him in the thigh while he was running on a punt return play, having been blocked out of bounds. No idea who the guy was. He was the first in a line of about half a dozen guys in green track suits.
Bill Barnwell: After about 14 drops, near-picks, and fumbles, Ian Eagle sums it up: "The Jets have lost their swagger." I mean, losing the game was rough.
Aaron Schatz: If the Jets defenders want to keep their swagger, I think they deserve it. They've probably stolen extra swagger from the offense.
Bill Barnwell: The special teams can keep it, too. It takes real swag to think to yourself "I'm going to stick my knee out and show this guy what's up and I'm not going to get fired for it." And then to actually do it!
Tim Gerheim: Mike Tolbert is channeling his inner Natrone Means. He just had a run where he cut outside, broke a tackle, and ended the run by straight up running over a DB. He actually used that last guy to help recover his balance, since he was falling forward off the arm tackle, and gained an extra three or four yards aboard him.
Aaron Schatz: OK, folks watching Chargers-Chiefs: 21-0 at halftime. How much of this is Brodie Croyle sucking, and how much is San Diego just better than Kansas City all around?
Bill Barnwell: The Chiefs have no offense, which gives the Chargers great field position, and the Chargers offense is certainly good enough to make plays, especially at home.
Chargers also recovered a Floyd fumble in the Chiefs red zone, so a little bit of luck, but it looks like Eric Berry just picked off a Philip Rivers pass on the sideline. And Gus Johnson is doing the game. So there may still be something to come.
Tim Gerheim: The Chiefs got a sack-fumble where Rivers just arrogantly stood motionless looking downfield as the pocket collapsed.
Bill Barnwell: While I'm normally extremely eager to mention great Tamba Hali plays, that was one where Rivers just held onto the ball too long and Hali came out of the ground like he was an extra on the Walking Dead to strip him of the ball. Chiefs actually converted a third down after that, but it was called back for a Barry Richardson hold and then they threw a 15-yard out on third-and-16 (that went incomplete) instead of playing it like it was four-down territory.
Chase Stuart tweets me to note that the Jets forced a fumble and didn't recover it. Literally as I re-tweet it, a snap goes over Chad Henne's head and the Jets fall on it, costing the Dolphins a red zone opportunity. Magic beans.
Bill Barnwell: Mike Ditka before the games today picked the Cowboys. The reason why? "The Cowboys have to outscore them, that's a fact, because as you said, their defense isn't very good."
Mike Tanier: I just assume all Eagles games will start with a bomb these days.
I liked the idea of bringing Brent Celek into the backfield on Vick's quarterback-keeper touchdown. It was less of a draw play than a power run, because Celek lead-blocked right into the gap and took out Keith Brooking.
Aaron Schatz: I agree. It looked like Spencer hit Vick just as he was crossing the out of bounds line. If you are going to push him out, and you realize he's one second away from going out, it isn't like you can stop your inertia.
Rob Weintraub: Maybe not, but we've all seen that exact scenario called a late hit about 1,000 times.
Mike Tanier: FUMBLE!!!!! How do the Eagles not recover that fumbled punt AAARFGH!
Bill Barnwell: Eagles used up all their fumble luck against the Cowboys during the famed "Eagles Porn" game from 2008.
Aaron Schatz: The Cowboys pass rush is really showing up tonight. There's another part of the team that wasn't doing anywhere near what was expected until a month ago. I was there was a better explanation for this team's terrible Week 5 to Week 9 stretch besides "Wade Phillips wasn't a good coach." I mean, your coach is supposed to motivate you, but also, don't you have to be professional and motivate yourself?
Mike Tanier: Oh, DeSean, the play was great. But the celebration at the end was asinine.
Rob Weintraub: Celebration penalty or no, that was friggin' awesome.
Aaron Schatz: Funny, they don't flag you for that when you do it in Madden.
Tom Gower: Big play offenses are great when you can hit the big play with any kind of consistency. Of course, when they can't, they can easily be borderline unwatchable and horribly ineffective, but darn if these Eagles aren't fun to watch sometimes.
Bill Barnwell: I think what's amazing is how small the margin of error is there. Jenkins is, what, a step late on that throw? And Jackson's basically gone to the races because of it. Amazing. And Jon Kitna follows it with an interception.
Rob Weintraub: Dmitri Patterson was the anti-DeSean on that pick -- barely even registered an emotion, let alone celebrated.
Mike Tanier: Patterson has been having a rough night with penalties. May be actively keeping his mouth shut.
Bill Barnwell: Well, Ben, at least we know that Cal products can count to seven on their fingers.
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