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27 Mar 2013

A Metrics Breakdown of Top (College) Pass Rushers

Greg Peshek of The Sideline View measures Barkevious Mingo, Dion Jordan, Bjorn Werner, Cornellius Carradine, and Alex Okafor against each other with data from STATS.

Posted by: Rivers McCown on 27 Mar 2013

14 comments, Last at 13 Apr 2013, 9:16pm by Scott Crowder

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by fb29 :: Wed, 03/27/2013 - 9:34pm

that is really interesting. so Okafor should go in the 1st round

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by Anonymous78952 (not verified) :: Tue, 04/02/2013 - 3:30am

As any Eagles fan will tell you, hurries or as it is known in Philadelphia, "Mamula's" are not a stat that is all that important. Getting near the quarterback does not have a huge impact on NFL Quarterbacks. Sacks or hits on a quarterback matter.

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by eddy (not verified) :: Wed, 03/27/2013 - 10:20pm

Okafor got 6 sacks in the big 12 championship game, which would surely skew his SOS.

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by Austintacious (not verified) :: Thu, 03/28/2013 - 12:03am

Article says: "The first stat in the chart is labeled “PPS” and that stands for Pressures Per Snap. What that tells us is how many snaps it takes for each player to get to the QB"

Uh, then he should either call it "Snaps per pressure" or re-do his math to actually show pressures per snap. How can someone doing stats analysis not see such a glaring error?

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by Noah of Arkadia :: Thu, 03/28/2013 - 2:51pm

In chess it's common to talk of "blunders". Even the best make them. Karpov made a famous blunder against Kasparov in the world championship. It happens. It's good of you to point it out, but don't make such a big deal out of it.

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by Tino (not verified) :: Thu, 03/28/2013 - 4:31pm

It's easy to double-check and proof read a blog post, you don't have that luxury in a competition.

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by Noah of Arkadia :: Tue, 04/02/2013 - 10:05am

Of course you do. Back then you had, what, 2 hours to make 40 moves? You bet they double and triple check their calculations.

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by Bill (not verified) :: Thu, 03/28/2013 - 4:41pm

Almost as bad as starting a land war in Asia or going in against Sicilian when death is on the line.

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by Anonymousse (not verified) :: Thu, 03/28/2013 - 8:30am

"...Boston College, Murray State, and Savannah State really inflated some of his pressure numbers. In total 25% of his total pressures and sacks came against those three teams."

So he had 25% of his pressures in 21.4% of his games...
that's a huuuugh inflation.

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by Led :: Thu, 03/28/2013 - 9:56am

There does not seem to be any adjustment for usage. Guys don't rush the passer all the time, and some guys rush more often than others. Jordan, for example, was supposedly used in coverage quite a bit. If he or another guy is rushing on a smaller percentage of snaps than others, they will have more snaps per pressure even if they are more effective on a per rush basis.

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by eddy (not verified) :: Thu, 03/28/2013 - 10:43am

my second thought on this. nice to see the stats, but I find the content to be bland and misguided

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by Karl Cuba :: Thu, 03/28/2013 - 11:54am

He also says that Okefor received the least help but he had the equal highest number of average rushers so even if he wasn't getting productivity from his team mates they would have been making it harder to double team him.

And how are Carradine and Werner's avg rush numbers so different?

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by WD (not verified) :: Thu, 03/28/2013 - 5:03pm

Sirs,

Where is SackSEER?

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by Scott Crowder (not verified) :: Sat, 04/13/2013 - 9:16pm

College players play what? 12 games? Kinda disingenuous to say 25% of his sacks came against those three crap teams when those three teams represent 25% of the games he played. You'd expect a higher % to come against them if they were crap. So no, those three teams did NOT inflate his numbers.