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14 Jan 2011

2010 NFC Divisional Round Discussion Thread

Talk about the NFC games here!

Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 14 Jan 2011

232 replies , Last at 17 Jan 2011, 3:44pm by T

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 8:49pm

GO Packers! We'll see how they do. I'm worried about Walden in the run game. He does not set the edge well. He will need help to keep Turner from getting outside.

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by andrew :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 9:07pm

...and fox breaks out what sounds like some kind of period civil war tune to start things off...

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by ebongreen (not verified) :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 9:09pm

IMO, Packers have a talent advantage over the Falcons. They can dominate going away, like they did vs. the Giants and Cowboys. The Falcons are more consistent, and don't beat themselves.

If GB plays up to its talent, they'll win this going away. If they don't, the Falcons will take it.

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by CoachDave :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 9:16pm

I hate to be snarky, but you could say that for virtually every NFL game, Peter King would be proud of that analysis.

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by dmb :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 9:25pm

To be fair, Atlanta does actually have the lowest game-to-game variance in DVOA of any team in the league.

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by ASmitty :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 12:38am

You obviously don't hate to be snarky THAT much.

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 9:19pm

Ugh, and Walden got blown out of the play on that Turner run....

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 9:24pm

Solid job by the Green Bay D. I'm a bit concerned about the crossing routes. The Eagles hurt GB on those last week as well.

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 9:26pm

And, that first offensive play is an exact re-run of game 1 between these two teams.

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 9:27pm

Jennings, how can you do that......

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by Dave :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 9:28pm

Oh, Greg Jennings. Another big gainer that you turn into good field position for the other team...

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by dmb :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 9:29pm

Well, the net result of an incomplete and a punt probably would have been similar, but this was a much more fun way of getting there! (It's the journey, not the destination, blah blah blah...)

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by dmb :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 9:31pm

Charles Woodson is getting a little taste of his own medicine; that's already his second target where the receiver got away with questionable contact.

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by Dave :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 9:35pm

Either there are a ton of Packer fans there or Atlanta fans are really stupid.

(or both I guess)

Great job going for the fourth and one by Smith. Wish he coached my team.

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 9:53pm

Nice drive GB.

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 9:56pm

*sigh*

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by ebongreen (not verified) :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 9:58pm

Yep. That would be the Falcons' advantage on special teams showing up. :-(

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by andrew :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 9:56pm

Well that's a way to grab momentum back quickly...

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by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 9:57pm

That was a bad attempted tackle by the kicker. Even for a kicker!

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by Raiderjoe :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 9:57pm

E. Weems wiht gerat kickoffreturn

flacs 14, oackers 7

good game thus far

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 9:59pm

*double sigh*

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by Raiderjoe :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:00pm

gald to see messuin with sasquatch commericlas on cbs game todya. Remenber when used to be only on college football broadcats.

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by andrew :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:07pm

That's not sasquatch.

That's Josh Sitton....

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by andrew :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:00pm

As many wins as they have, the Falcons have never jumped out like worldbeaters to me. They just seem like competent teams that will win if the other team screws up.

...as i write this Starks drops a kickoff out of bounds inside his 10....

And yet they keep winning.

Still in spite it all my instincts tell me the Packers will pull away easily eventually. Right?

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by Nathan :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:02pm

What would you call that 2 back shotgun formation that Green Bay lines up in? It's like a shotgun with an up back.

They really do align in some weird formations.

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by Nathan :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:03pm

Rodgers just threw a BULLET on the run. Great throw.

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by Dave :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:04pm

"Here they come"

"Falcons blitz"

(Falcons send four rushers)

(Penalty goes unmentioned)

Great job by Buck and Aikman here...

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by Nathan :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:06pm

I think I'm actually starting to like the Buck / Aikman team. Is that crazy? Is it just the lack of Michaels / Collinsworth lately that makes them seem better than all the other teams out there?

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by Dave :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:09pm

It's the total lack of talent elsewhere that makes them better than everyone else. They still suck. Just not as bad as Dierdorf, Simms, or whoever Fox's B team is.

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by Raiderjoe :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:17pm

FOX B tema= Alb ert, Moose, Goose

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by Dave :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:22pm

Ah, the always valuable contributions of fat Tony Siragusa.

Yeah, give me Buck and Aikman any day...

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by Nathan :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:31pm

I will say that first cut to the booth where they reveal whatever outrageous striped suit / hideous tie / pocket square Moose is wearing is always good for a laugh. But from there on it's all downhill.

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by frvwfr2 :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:25pm

God, I HATE Albert.

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by Nathan :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:26pm

He's the dude who looks like Brian Peppers? Yeah, he's got a face for radio.

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by frvwfr2 :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:27pm

Yep, that's the one.

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by Shattenjager :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:30pm

I've thought about this before and realized the only play-by-play guy I've ever liked is Al Michaels. Some are particularly annoying (Joe Buck, Pat Summerall), but most just go into a general bucket of suckitude.

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by Jon Silverberg (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 12:08pm

Buck's father was terrific, as was Gowdy...Gowdy/DeRogatis was a fine team...

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by Jon Silverberg (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 12:14pm

Also liked Lindsey Nelson, Marty Glickman...

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by Shattenjager :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:17pm

I think Fox's B team is Albert, Johnston, Siragusa.

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by dmb :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:31pm

I think Aikman is the second- or third-best color guy behind Collinsworth and maybe Jaworski, unless Mike Mayock counts as a color guy for doing one game.

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by Nathan :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:35pm

Collinsworth fills my heart with joy and happiness. Something about that snide sarcastic drawl just kills me. I don't even mind that he's completely appropriated "now here's a guy."

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by tuluse :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 1:43am

Jaws is overrated plain and simple, defers to Gruden way to much.

Billick is a color guy I like.

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by dmb :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 3:02am

The frustrating thing is that I think Jaws has steadily gotten worse in the booth. I don't know why or how it's happened, but he seemed a notch above everyone when he started. I still like him on NFL Matchup (when I can drag myself out of bed early enough on a Sunday morning to catch it), but I've definitely become less enthused about him. Even so, he's still much better than most ... which is a backhanded compliment if there ever was one.

My impression of Billick is that he's generally much better than average -- most of his commentary is better than Aikman or Jaworski -- but he's more prone to making a really dumb mistake.

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by Nathan :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 12:46pm

The problem with Jaws is he acts like a breathless child every time there is a decent play in THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE. He knows his stuff but he is annoying. He sounds like a comic book nerd talking about comic books, not a former player.

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by Tom W (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 12:48pm

Aikman has a few annoying verbal tics, but I think he does a really nice job of providing insightful analysis, that's informative both to the casual and knowledgable fan. He's probably more willing to be critical than anyone but Collinsworth and has an understated sense of humor. Not a huge fan of Joe Buck, though.

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by dmb :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 2:22pm

The thing I like about Aikman is that he has demonstrated a much greater propensity for independent thought than almost any other color guy. He's more likely to question conventional wisdom, and has even shown some interest in trying to improve his (and our) knowledge of the game.

I don't really have any strong feelings about play-by-play guys. I like it when they do a good job of keeping the viewer informed of what substitutions, etc. are going on, but I haven't noticed any particular announcer standing out in that way. It seems like a lot of people have strong feelings about p-b-p voices, but I actually like all of them -- I think I just associate them with watching football, which I like, so hearing any of them makes me happy. And I'm happy to listen to anyone as deadpan as Summerall or as hyper as Gus Johnson.

The only thing I find notable about Joe Buck is that he will occasionally go on some high-minded morality speech that will be pointless and annoying.

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by Dave :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:07pm

Terrible job by Rodgers taking that sack on third down with a guy open in the corner of the end zone. Bailed out by illegal contact.

You can't come all that way and take a sack on third and short.

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:10pm

Chances are Jennings (who was the one being held) was the primary target on that play, since he was going up against the nickel man.

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by andrew :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:10pm

So.... do the Packers Squib this kickoff now?

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by dmb :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:10pm

Well, it worked, but I find the choice of B.J. Raji in the backfield to be a bit odd. With the GB defensive line bankrupting their health insurance companies, Raji (and Cullen Jenkins) seem to play more snaps than most 3-4 linemen. Couldn't they have another big body use his energy as the random goalline FB?

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by tuluse :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 1:44am

Don't the Packers have like 3 fullbacks on their roster?

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by dmb :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 3:04am

Hahaha, I think so, and this didn't even occur to me. More FBs than anyone in the league, but none of them fit their goalline package? Weird. (Though to be fair, I think Kuhn is one of those "fullbacks," and he sees a lot of short-yardage action ... but as the tailback.)

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by DisplacedPackerFan :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 11:02am

Kuhn, Hall, and Johnson, but I believe Hall was once again not active due to nagging injuries, and he has pretty much been just a special teams player the last 2 years. So they did have all the active fullbacks on the field on that play anyway. :)

As mentioned Kuhn has mostly played as a halfback this year thanks to all the injuries. I also think that Lang was the only other active lineman. I recall that Spitz wasn't active due to injuries and I don't think McDonald or Dietrich-Smith were active either. Lang is already on the field for goal line plays so they didn't really have too many other big bodies available. Raji made a pretty good block, as did Johnson. I also think Raji was the best choice of the d lineman if you are putting one on the field there. He's quicker than Green, Pickett, Wynn, and Wilson, and while i think Jenkins is faster, he is still pretty beat up.

It was interesting to see for sure.

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by dmb :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 2:13pm

To be clear, I wasn't suggesting that it was a bad idea because Raji wasn't capable (or even the most capable) of giving the Packers what they wanted in that situation. I just thought that Raji probably doesn't need any additional wear and tear, if it could be avoided.

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:14pm

I have a hard time seeing GB winning this game if the field position dynamic stays this way. When the offense has to go over 80 yards every time, success is not sustainable.

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by Raiderjoe :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:15pm

please no dorps in this game

Bodlin and Houshmandzadeh shoudl be pelted with rototen tomatoes when plane land in baltimore area tongiht

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by Raiderjoe :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:20pm

T. Willaims with gret int in end zone. M Jenkoins fell down on play

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:20pm

Awesome. As opposed to last week, Tramon was totally beaten on that play, but that was still great recovery and leaping ability when Ryan left it short.

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by johnny walker (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 6:54am

Apparently the Packers were in Cover-2 on that play, so it wouldn't have been so much that he was beat but that he let Jenkins go.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/113834309.html

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by ebongreen (not verified) :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:21pm

Okay, turnovers are now even. Nice catch, Tramon.

Can the Packers run a successful two-minute offense to take the lead before halftime?

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by andrew :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:22pm

Sheez... from sure TD to fall down untouched to interception.
So much for home turf advantage.
I will put part of that on Ryan. He threw it up too high, took longer to get there, forced the receiver to slow down which is what resulted in the slip. If he hit him in stride that never happens. Still, he has to keep his footing.

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:24pm

Even if he kept his footing, I think the best result was an incompletion, and it very well may have been intercepted anyways. That was a really poor throw.

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by Raiderjoe :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:26pm

nzi on K. Biermann

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:29pm

Quarless probably should have taken that one out of bounds.

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by ebongreen (not verified) :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:32pm

Boy that was a hell of a cross-body throw by Rodgers on that scramble.

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by dmb :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:34pm

It seems like the Atlanta defenders have really been abandoning the middle of the field whenever Rodgers leaves the pocket. Normally I'd be real nervous about a QB attempting as many cross-field throws as Rodgers has, but he has the arm for it and has been consistently accurate on them.

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:32pm

Redemption for James Jones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Nathan :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:32pm

great catch by jones.

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by Raiderjoe :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:33pm

great TD catch 89 Jones over 20 Grimes

GB lead ATL 21-14

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by andrew :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:35pm

What's the risk/reward here for Atlanta with 30 seconds left...

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by dmb :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:37pm

Can anyone tell me what the "mainstream media" book is on Tramon Williams? Before the playoffs had begun, he was probably going to be my vote in the FO awards for "Most Underrated" (or at the very least, most improved) on the basis of his lack of a Pro Bowl berth ... but does he have a higher profile than I realized?

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by dmb :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:40pm

I swear, I posted this after the pick-6! (Though it was after the first INT...)

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by Raiderjoe :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:37pm

s. shields coalled for DPI

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by Intropy :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:44pm

I wish they'd show the full replay. My impressions at first glance was that the ball got tipped ever so slightly at the line of scrimmage.

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by Nathan :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:37pm

Actually Troy, everyone has talked about Sam Shields all broadcast long for the past 4-5 weeks now.

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:38pm

Matthews!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Raiderjoe :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:38pm

matthews hogties RYan on sakc

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by Anonymouscowherd (not verified) :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:38pm

Admiral Armbar returns.

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by andrew :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:39pm

Falcons should just kick from here.

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by Nathan :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:40pm

prophetic

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by frvwfr2 :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:42pm

I was saying the SAME thing hahah. I bet GB, during the timeout, told their corners to jump anything Short. Have Safeties over the top, so just try to turn this around. And bam, pick 6.

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by Raiderjoe :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:40pm

T. willaims with pick for TD

lol at Flacs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:40pm

Tramon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by andrew :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:40pm

I wrote that (#64) before that play started. But I was thinking that was the potential outcome of this drive from as far back as posts #57.

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by ebongreen (not verified) :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:44pm

Wow. Quite the turn of events: one of the most nitpicky-penalty-aided drives I've seen in some time turns into a Tramon pick-six and the Packers are up two touchdowns at the half.

I know the Falcons have had some come-from-behind wins this season. Are they up to coming back against this defense?

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by Dave :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:48pm

It's definitely possible if McCarthy goes hyperconservative.

The Packers need another touchdown. The way they're playing, that shouldn't be a tall order.

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by morganja :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:50pm

Karmic justice with the bs interference calls.

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Re: 2010 NFC Divisional Round Discussion Thread
by Nathan :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:57pm

oh snap abraham just put on rodgers' belt

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by MCS :: Mon, 01/17/2011 - 9:17am

Because of that action, Abraham got tweet-bombed by the Packer fan base. He ended up asking the Packer fans to leave him alone.

As a Packer fan, I'm not sure how I feel about this. Part of me relishes it and part of me feels it's classless to get on a guy after a big loss.

Abraham played a good game too. He was getting zero help from his secondary.

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:58pm

Huge first down

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by Mike Elseroad (not verified) :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 10:59pm

That was a remarkable play by Rodgers.

Man, he's good. What were the 49ers thinking in 2005 when they took Alex Smith #1?

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by Nathan :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:02pm

Afraid the local pressure would be too much for Cali-bred Rodgers, I think I read somewhere.

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by Mike Elseroad (not verified) :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:06pm

That's really ironic because Rodgers reminds me quite a bit of Joe Montana.

Rodgers moves around like a ballet dancer just like Joe did.

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by Mike Elseroad (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 12:26am

As far as my Montana-Rodgers comaprison goes, a writer at Sports Illustrated wrote an article at midseason and wrote about different throwing motions of qbs. The author compared Rodgers' throwing motion to Joe's.

I've seen several Packers' games since I read that article and I can vividly see the similarities.

Tedford or not, the Niners f***** up.

Unless he suffers a catatsophic injury or his performance inexplicably falls off of a cliff, Rodgers looks like a surefire bet to be a 1st ballot Hall Of Famer.

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by RowdyRoddyPiper :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 3:56pm

I love Aaron Rodgers and think he is incredibly talented but it's hard to project anyone as a sure fire 1st ballot hall of famer at this point in a career (~50 starts). Not that I don't think he has the talent to be there, but it's way too early to say. Given how much emphasis is placed on Superbowl wins in the voting process, the ability to field a quality D on the other side and keep the receiver pool stocked will have as much an effect on his HOF credentials as any thing he does.

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by Shattenjager :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:36pm

Here's one story: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1111018/index...
Main point: Mike Nolan, while he was very complementary of Rodgers and said he was more prepared to play right away, "said Smith's work ethic--the young man often broke down film with the Utah coaches for hours on Sundays, a college player's day off--and his easygoing leadership style and intelligence ( Smith earned a degree in economics in two years) made the decision easy in the end. What's more, some in the front office thought Rodgers came across too much like a big man on campus."

Here's another: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1105606/2/ind...
Main point: Rodgers is "confident." Smith is "intelligent." Some worry about Rodgers having been coached by Jeff Tedford, but he says, "I think I'm the most accurate quarterback Coach Tedford ever had."

I went through every SI article from January through June of 2005 that mentioned included the phrase "Alex Smith" or the phrase "Aaron Rodgers." That's as much as I could find about what the 49ers and others around the league thought.

Here's another article, this time from examiner.com: http://www.examiner.com/san-francisco-49ers-in-san-francisco/alex-smith-...
Main point: "In a very weak draft class, many draft experts said that Rodgers had more 'football-ready' skills and could find success in the NFL. Rodgers believed he could be the first player selected in the draft. Instead, he would drop all the way to #24 to Green Bay."

Here's a 2008 blog post from Niners Nation that digs up scouting reports from the Oakland Tribune: http://www.ninersnation.com/2008/6/18/554001/alex-smith-vs-aaron-rodger
Main point: "Rodgers is 2 inches shorter than Utah's Alex Smith, the other QB the 49ers are considering, and does not have great mobility. . . . Smith has all the intangibles, is very coachable and has only scratched the surface of his vast potential."
It also has quotes from Mel Kiper Jr. about both players: "Rodgers is tough, confident, incredibly poised and, most importantly, very few of his passes hit the ground." "While (Smith is) not the next John Elway or Troy Aikman, lacking that type of arm strength, the overall package of skills he brings to the table definitely makes him deserving of a lofty NFL grade."

I'm quitting at this point. It seems to me that to most it came down to weighing "intangibles" (leadership/intelligence/work ethic) and mobility on one hand (Smith) against arm strength on the other (Rodgers).
And of course there is a MAJOR confounding variable to all of this: Rodgers went into perhaps the best situation a QB could possibly have gone into in order to develop for the NFL while Smith went into a horrendous situation.

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Re: 2010 NFC Divisional Round Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:48pm

Another knock on Rodgers was that he was coached by Jeff Tedford, who coached several other highly-esteemed QBs in college that fell flat in the pros. A list of QBs who played college ball under Tedford's tutelage (as a QB coach, OC, or HC) prior to Rodgers:

-Trent Dilfer (6th overall pick)
-Akili Smith (3rd)
-Joey Harrington (3rd)
-Kyle Boller (19th)

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by Shattenjager :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:54pm

That was in the second article. However, there were also at least two mentions of Smith having played in a "gimmick" offense compared to the "pro-style" offense Rodgers played in.*
In my sort of "conclusion" at the end, I was basically treating those issues as canceling each other out.

*I know nothing about the offenses they played in. I am just relaying what the stories said. I don't need to hear a lecture from any college football fans about why one it wasn't a "gimmick" offense or the other wasn't a "pro-style" offense.

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by justanothersteve :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 12:05am

Also David Carr

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Re: 2010 NFC Divisional Round Discussion Thread
by Nathan :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 12:06am

wow that really is a sampler platter of 1st round qb busts

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by Jon Silverberg (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 12:29pm

Really fine, thorough post, A-Z...

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by BigCheese :: Mon, 01/17/2011 - 5:19am

Wait, a knock against Rodgers is he didn't have great mobility? I'm going to assume this was more of a pocket pressence thing, because otherwise I'm stumped...

- Alvaro

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by Mike Elseroad (not verified) :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:01pm

Who finished 13-3 and 10-6 again?

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:01pm

Starks is such a superior runner compared to B. Jackson.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 1:48am

Brandon Jackson does not belong in the NFL from what I've seen.

3rd stringer at absolute best.

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by Flounder :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 2:05am

He actually is a very solid 3rd down back. Good at picking up blitzes and running screens. But he is just not anywhere close to an every down back.

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by gratif1 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 6:46am

To be fair, Bo Jackson has had a lot of surgeries and he's in his 50s.

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by Nathan :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:02pm

Can you imagine how this offense would look with Finley?

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by ebongreen (not verified) :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:05pm

Yes, yes I can. I saw that offense early this season, and that was lacking a running back after week one.

Murderous would be one word for it.

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by Mike Elseroad (not verified) :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:04pm

I know that Rodgers did very well vs the Big Blitz last season (2009), but how well did he do this season?

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by Mike Elseroad (not verified) :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:08pm

So much for the Dirty Birds.

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:08pm

Put on that belt Aaron: you deserve it!

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by andrew :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:10pm

This is the best game of Rodger's career.

Playing like this they ought to be favored in Chicago next week.]

And we'll get a rematch of Superbowl XXXI....

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by justanothersteve :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:49pm

Who says Seattle won't win? Though the Packers playing the B#@rs for the NFC title would be sweet.

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by Raiderjoe :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:08pm

OPackers laying wood on Flacs

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by Nathan :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:08pm

He can do it with his arm, with his legs, with his mind.

Rodgers is telekinetic? That doesn't seem fair.

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by Dave :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:10pm

I wonder why they tried to fake Dexter's voice on that old Dodge commercial instead of just re airing the original one. And why Dexter got the boot.

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by Raiderjoe :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:11pm

oohh new show w ith J. Beals. She's a hotter older broad.

also wnanted to note beeffy crunch burrito at Taco Bell= great. That burrito is Sierra Nevada Pale Ale of burritos.

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by Dave :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:14pm

Dammit Joe, now you have me craving taco hell.

And Sierra Nevada.

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:15pm

Looks like he might have secured between his legs, but that's a solid challenge. Big play, definitely worth one.

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by skeptic1 (not verified) :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:15pm

My guess is Favre is not sitting at the TV cheering on the Packers, Ted Thompson, and Rodgers

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:18pm

Nice

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:22pm

YOU CANNOT STOP AARON RODGERS!!

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by ebongreen (not verified) :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:26pm

Sure doesn't look like it.

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by Nathan :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:24pm

man he is in the zone

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by Mike Elseroad (not verified) :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:24pm

That was a very nice pass by Rodgers.

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by Mike Elseroad (not verified) :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:27pm

I've been watching the NFL since 1975 and I honestly can't think of too many qbs, if any, with as much natural talent as Aaron Rodgers.

He moves like Barishnokoff and throws tight spirals on every single throw.

Lol. I hope that no Niners fans are jumping off of the Golden Gate Bridge.

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by RedZone :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:36pm

As a guy who grew up in Chicago and now lives in the Bay Area, this is frustrating
on so many levels I can't even count them all.

If the Bears get past Seattle, the only good news is that they will get GB at home.
I think they will now deeply regret not taking care of business in week 17.

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by Raiderjoe :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:42pm

chicago certainyl fid try to win because knew gb very danferous but unfortunately for tehm could not get job doen and lose 10-3

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by dbt :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 9:28pm

They put their starters in but ran completely vanilla off/def schemes; coaches didn't coach to win and treated it as a 3rd preseason game.

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by Flounder :: Mon, 01/17/2011 - 12:40am

That is complete horse-shit.

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by BigCheese :: Mon, 01/17/2011 - 5:23am

Yes, yes it is. But as a Bears fan I WANTED GB in the play-offs. Much rather host them than travel to Atlanta.

And a Bears/Packers NFC Championship? It doesn't get ANY better than that!

- Alvaro

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by Dave :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:31pm

Is this the best playoff performance we've seen?

I think it might be. It doesn't quite have the degree of difficulty Manning's did last year, but he is damn near perfect. Just surgical. Like Brady vs the Jags but even more effective. They get to 3rd and 5 and it's right where they want them. He even looks good on his incompletions. His only bad play was a sack that didn't even count.

Will be interesting to see the FO stats on this one.

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by Dave :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 8:35am

Totally forgot about Warner last year too. Oops.

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by Mike Elseroad (not verified) :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:30pm

I'm not a Falcons hater, but I'm glad that we won't have to listen to NFL Network's Jamie Dukes crow about the Falcons & Matt Ryan while questioning Rodgers' creditentials anymore.

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by Raiderjoe :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:34pm

Pakcker-sBears playoff game next week please, make it happen Beras

first Packers-Bears playoff game since 1941

THat's so long ago the Rams were palyign in Cleveland, there was Brooklyn Dodgers NL and NFL etams, and chicago had two NFL teams

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by Jon Silverberg (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 12:35pm

Well played, RJ...

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by Dave :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:34pm

Wow. What a throw to Finneran.

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:44pm

Wow, that was a really good onside kick. A little unlucky for Atlanta there.

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by Dave :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:44pm

Should've just stayed on the ground and caught it on the run. Great kick.

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by Dave :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:49pm

Dig the Frank Reich reference.

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by Tri Shanku (not verified) :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:51pm

Yup. Aikman did a good one there.

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:50pm

Looked like Raji got a knee to the back of the head.

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by Flounder :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:54pm

And, cue the fat lady.

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by Tri Shanku (not verified) :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:54pm

Would you go all prevent in defense here, with 12 minutes left and leading by 21?

(Never mind, GB got the ball back in fumble...)

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by dmb :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:55pm

I feel a little bad for Matt Ryan; he looked like he was about to cry.

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by Nathan :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:56pm

matty ice cries snowflakes

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by dmb :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:58pm

A couple quick announcing comments:

(1) Aikman trying to find a way to shift blame away from Ryan for the fumble seemed to be a pretty big stretch.

(2) I wonder how Aikman felt when Buck informed him of the year and opponent of his first Super Bowl?

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by Nathan :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:59pm

I thought from the replay it was pretty clear that the center set up to pass block, not push forward on a sneak. Ryan ran right into him. And then on the sideline they showed Ryan talking to the center seemingly saying "my bad" or something. Seemed like it was a communication issue.

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by dmb :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 12:17am

Yeah, upon further reflection, I think my first point was a bit idiotic.

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by Dave :: Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:59pm

Whoa, an imperfect play.

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by B :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 12:09am

So, with this result, the NFC south is 0-2 in playoff games this year, and the Bucs, despite having 4 40% DVOA games in the last half the season, are sitting at home.

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by ebongreen (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 12:14am

Not a perfect game by the Packers as a team, but certainly a dominant one by the offense in particular. Rodgers did pretty much whatever he wanted to by air; Atlanta didn't have the people to cover.

On defense, the Falcons fell behind in the second quarter which left their running game out in the cold, and Ryan (a) didn't get a lot of help from his receiving corps and (b) threw a couple of passes he'd like to have back.

As usual, Packers special teams needs work. :-, Other than that, after this week Green Bay ought to be the favorite to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl.

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by dmb :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 12:19am

The Packers' defense gave up 7 net points, so I'd say they had a pretty good day, too.

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by miqewalsh :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 12:14am

Congrats to the Pack. They're now 1-1 when scoring 45+ in a playoff game!

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by justanothersteve :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 12:30am

Offense wins games. Defense wins championships.

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by JonFrum :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 1:01am

If I ever hear someone say defense wins in the playoffs again, I'll punch a monkey in the face.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 2:38am

Why? You are aware the team with the better defense won today, right?

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by Treima6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 4:54am

Super Bowl Champions whose OFF DVOA RANK > DEF DVOA RANK, 1993-2009:
1993 DAL (OFF #2, DEF #17)
1994 SF (OFF #1, DEF #6)
1995 DAL (OFF #1, DEF #13)
1997 DEN (OFF #2, DEF #8)
1998 DEN (OFF #1, DEF #20)
2001 NE (OFF #11, DEF #13)
2004 NE (OFF #3, DEF #6)
2006 IND (OFF #1, DEF #26)
2009 NO (OFF #2, DEF #14)

You were saying?

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by Tampa Bay Mike (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 12:41pm

I don't know whether defense is more important or not, but there's a lot of information lost when using the rankings instead of the actual numbers. Base on that, this isn't very convincing one way or another.

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by BigCheese :: Mon, 01/17/2011 - 5:35am

That is some really big gymnastics you're doing there just to disprove your own point. That's 9 teams in 17 years. Which means there's 8 teams where D was greater than O. And so, if Chicago, Pittsburgh or NYJ wins this year, that will be aperfectly even split (I'm assuming GB has a higher O. If not, it's already guarantedd to be an even split).

- Alvaro

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by thebuch :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 6:07am

You're also aware that the team with the better offense won today as well, right? Your argument would only have merit if the Packers weren't also the better offensive team

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by tuluse :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 1:47pm

Well the better team won, it was better at both offense and defense.

You can't say the superior defense didn't help.

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by Tom W (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 12:56pm

Rodgers just turned in a better post-season performance than the previous Packer QB ever did in his career. In fact, I'd argue that it was the best post-season performance by a Packer QB since Bart Starr in Super Bowl 2. Is he clutch yet?

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by Tom W (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 1:01pm

... or the best since Rodgers in the Wild Card game last yr. ... but as someone alluded to earlier, in a close game, the Packers' special teams are a big liability.

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by mvhuber :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 1:22pm

Two words: Tyler Polumbus

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by andrew :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 1:30pm

And just think.... if the Bucs had been able to hang on to a 4th quarter lead vs the Lions, the Packers would have missed the playoffs.

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by CuseFanInSoCal :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 1:58pm

Of course, if the Packers had been able to hold on to a 4th quarter lead vs the Pats, Lions, Bears, or Redskins OR win in OT against Miami or Washington, that would have been irrelevant (and if it had been the Bears or, I think, the Lions, GB would have won the division and had last week off).

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by Dave :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 2:01pm

I'm not the world's biggest patriot or anything, but I think the Chicago tradition of making as much noise as possible when this [awesome] guy sings the anthem is really stupid and disrespectful.

It's not as awesome without the organ.

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by Marko :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 2:25pm

Many military people respectfully disagree with you, including Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf.

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by frvwfr2 :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 2:02pm

Awesome Anthem. Hahhahaha.

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by Theo :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 2:20pm

Yup. Impressive.

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by miqewalsh :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 2:11pm

Milloy looked old on that play.

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by Dave :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 2:11pm

Lawyer Milloy is still in the league?

Perhaps he shouldn't be.

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by Theo :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 2:19pm

Playing enter sandman when a player goes to the groundand doesnt stand up. Isnt that cruel humor...

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by B :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 2:24pm

I'm rooting for Seattle in this game, just for the joy of having a 9-9 team hosting the NFC Championship game.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 2:31pm

If the Seahawks win the Super Bowl, would that mean no more whining about division winners getting a home game? (Or would it mean the exact opposite?)

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by Marko :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 2:36pm

I think it would mean people arguing both sides, just as they did after Seattle beat New Orleans.

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by miqewalsh :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 2:33pm

Did they change the filters on the TV cameras? Looks all NFL-filmsy.

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by dbt :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 9:29pm

My conjecture is that the camera sensors don't respond as well in the cold and so the cameras go wider aperture and you get a thinner depth of focus. I noticed this the most in that super-cold outdoor Chicago-Minnesota game this year.

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by Dave :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 2:35pm

I was up and about, so this is late, but I'm no longer rooting for the upset here after that ridiculous decision to punt. Just awful. You don't win on the road as an 8-9 playoff team by punting in that situation.

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by Dave :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 2:40pm

I like when QBs go block... but it'd be nice if they were a little better at it.

Holy crap that was a stupid throw.

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by Theo :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 2:44pm

"hey block your guy man!!"
"how?!"
Well, the block wasnt half bad though.

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by Marko :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 2:48pm

Yes, that was a stupid throw. Cutler is good (bad?) for at least one of those per game. Thankfully, that didn't turn into a pick 6. And thankfully the Bears decided to pound it in rather than risk another bad throw.

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by Dave :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 2:41pm

That spot seemed pretty awful. But the camera angle was worse so I couldn't tell if he got it.

On replay I guess he wasn't close.

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by Dave :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 2:43pm

Good thing you punted, Pete!

See, good things happen when you aren't a pussy on 4th and one. And now you're down two touchdowns on the road.

Idiot.

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by Marko :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 3:03pm

When I saw that formation, I knew it was going to be a quarterback draw. Or at least I hoped so.

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by kingkong (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 3:10pm

so much that went well last week is coming back on seatle

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by Mike Y :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 3:16pm

What was wrong with Hester's block that got him called for a personal foul?

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by Theo :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 3:22pm

Can't chopblock (go low) if you're lined up outside the tackles.

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by GBsiny (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 3:45pm

As a Packer fan, I think I'm most concerned with playing on what looks to be bad carpet at Soldier field. Such a slow field has to work against our passing game right?

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by Charles Jake (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 3:53pm

It works against our pass rush too, so it evens out.

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by srsbzns (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 3:56pm

Chicago has had the worst field in the NFL for years now, its nothing new. They even resodded it just a few months back (maybe over the bye week, I can't remember), and it still sucks. It won't help the Packers, that's for sure, but it's not great for the Bears quick wideouts either (Cutler was bitching about the field just a few weeks ago if I remember right).

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by B :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 3:56pm

I think the Patriots proved that bad field conditions doesn't slow down a good offense.

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by Kal :: Mon, 01/17/2011 - 2:10am

Which is why as soon as the Patriots had a bad game with their star offense on their crappy field they immediately replaced it with turf.

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by Ivarsson.se :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 5:09pm

Wasn't the conclusion that snow (i.e. bad footing) helped or at least didn't hurt the offense? I think the rationale was they know where they're going and are less reliant on quick changes of direction than the D.

Other bad-weather conditions (rain, wind) benefited the defense.

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by srsbzns (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 4:06pm

Trufant tries to take a dive at Kellen Davis's knees and appears to concuss himself... got what he deserved on that one.

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by Theo :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 4:14pm

You know it's legal to tackle like that, so that wasn't illegal or dirty at all.

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by srsbzns (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 4:21pm

Trying to put your helmet on a guy's kneecap is always going to be a cheap shot in my book.

Besides, if you don't want to get kneed in the face, put your shoulder in a guy's chest like a man.

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by jackgibbs :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 4:21pm

he didn't say it was dirty or illegal. But when a guy willfully puts his head in harm's way he's just as culpable as a defender who drops his head and leads with his helmet, be it a DB who tries to go low, or an offensive player who drops his head into the strike zone just before contact. This is my biggest issue with all the talk about protecting players right now. They're only trying to eliminate one small aspect of how these injuries occur

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by B :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 4:22pm

The ball being uncatchable doesn't matter for illegal contact, as illegal contact happens before the ball is thrown.

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by Dave :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 4:25pm

Oh, hey, congrats on not being shut out! That field goal sure was useful.

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by Mike Y :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 4:26pm

Down 28 with 17 minutes left, and you kick a field goal. Nice, Seattle.

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by Mike Y :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 4:27pm

And then no onside kick. Way to give up.

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by Theo :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 4:27pm

You were behind 28. You kick a fieldgoal. And now you're behind 25.

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by srsbzns (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 4:33pm

Somebody probably already made this joke... but Greggggggggg Easterbrook just wrote "game over" in his notebook. Then proceeded to sniff his own flatulence.

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by thebuch :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 10:03pm

That was on the punt on 4th and 1 from inside Chicago territory in the first quarter

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by Dave :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 4:34pm

How on earth do you miss that throw with protection like that?

How on earth do the announcers not mention what a bad throw it is during all those replays they showed?

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by srsbzns (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 4:35pm

Maybe I shoulda kept my mouth shut?

Martz'd

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 4:36pm

A gadget play up by 25 in the 4th quarter? Bears got what they deserved.

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by miqewalsh :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 4:38pm

A lot of recent posts were weak, diluted, recycled Easterbrook.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 4:43pm

Just like a lot of recent TMQs then?

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 4:37pm

Time for Martz to outMartz himself and try to give the game away.

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by miqewalsh :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 4:38pm

This game is no longer Martzable.

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by srsbzns (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 4:40pm

That was DPI?? Seriously?????

The fuck is this, the Tiny Football League??

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by Bill Barnwell :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 4:55pm

Take it down several notches.

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by Anonymus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 4:58pm

Let me see if I got it right:

End of the 3rd quarter, ball at the opponent 12-yard line, 4th-9, down 0-28, away, playoffs.

Instead of going for it, and try to give a little chance to work a comeback, you kick it? I can already read TMQ on this one. It's the last game of the season if you lose. GO FOR IT!

No, just got the three, the game than was 28-3, and a quarter to go. And, instead of an onside kick, a normal kickoff to restart the game. YOUHOO!!!

Why not just throw the white flag? Take the team out of the field? Whatever...

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by mvhuber :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 5:14pm

Kicking (FG or punt) automatically is Rule #1 in the NFL coaches manual. Apparently, Pete Carroll is a heckuva student because he read it closely. My guess is that he wouldn't have done the same if he was down 28 in a bowl game while at USC.

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by Marko :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 5:03pm

Who said there's no role for a TE in Martz's offense?

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by jackgibbs :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 5:22pm

I know it's moot, but don't you go for two to get down by ten there? not that I'm complaining as it keeps the bears over the spread...

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by Flounder :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 5:59pm

You can be sure Simmons will be writing about that.

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by miqewalsh :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 5:22pm

Gotta admire the Seahawks' desperate attempt to cover the spread.

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by Charles Jake (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 5:51pm

Not happy about the way the Bears finished this game. They have a bad tendency to let up too soon. The Eagles late score, going to sleep at the end of the half vs. NE, and now this. Packers have to be the favorites going into next week.

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by T (not verified) :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 6:11pm

Let up too soon?co For what? A spread?

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by tuluse :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 9:55pm

Packers and Bears looked just about even in regular season and Bears are at home.

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Re: 2010 NFC Divisional Round Discussion Thread
by Umm.. (not verified) :: Mon, 01/17/2011 - 1:23am

Yes, the Packers committing 18 penalties is an often occurrence.

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Re: 2010 NFC Divisional Round Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Mon, 01/17/2011 - 2:05am

Bears still looked even with them when they didn't.

And if they hadn't committed so many penalties there would have been many more catches by the Bears and pressures on Rodgers leading to sacks/forced incompletes/picks.

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Re: 2010 NFC Divisional Round Discussion Thread
by Eddo :: Mon, 01/17/2011 - 10:58am

Committing a hold when you're beat or a false start to avoid getting beat is often a function of getting outplayed by the opposing defensive line. Which the Packers' offensive line was back in September.

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Re: 2010 NFC Divisional Round Discussion Thread
by DisplacedPackerFan :: Mon, 01/17/2011 - 11:30am

As a Packers fan I'll chalk up about 6 of the penalties the Packers got in that horrible game as results of what the Bears did. I'll give them 4 more as their average for the other games they played this year. The other 8 either bad calls (at least 3 called against the Packers and at least 1 called against the Bears there was some bad officiating in that game, but I still tend to try and not harp on that) and just being extra dumb.

I think the Packers were the better team in both games, but the Bears deserved the win they got. They played a good game, they took advantage of enough of the Packers mistakes, and they helped create some (not all) of those mistakes. They earned the win.

Of course neither team is the same as they were in that game. I also think reading too much into the week 17 game is a bad idea. Again I think the Packers were a better team, and I watched the game and I know that the Bears weren't running a vanilla offense or defense because I saw the play calls. But it was still a meaningless game for them. Even though they are professionals and I credited them for playing the way they should, that still had an effect.

I've stated on these boards before, the Bears were the team I was least confident of the Packers beating in the playoffs (not just the NFC, but whoever they will face from the AFC in the Super Bowl). If you are curious, teams I wanted to play the least were in order Bears, Steelers, Ravens, Patriots, Eagles, Falcons, Jets, Colts, Saints, Chiefs, Seahawks. While I've thought the Packers were one of the best teams in the NFL all year and that they could beat anyone, there are match-ups that worry me more.

I still think the Packers are going to win it all but their toughest opponents are still out there.

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Re: 2010 NFC Divisional Round Discussion Thread
by Eddo :: Mon, 01/17/2011 - 12:35pm

Very nice post. I'll agree with your penalty breakdown, I didn't mean to imply that all, or even most, of the Packer penalties were a result of good plays by the Bears.

I'll also agree that the Bears weren't running a vanilla scheme against the Packers. While it wasn't a particularly creative game by the Bears, it was clear they were trying. (One thing I will note, though, is that I got the impression Cutler was looking to Knox as his primary read nearly ever play, so that the latter could reach 1,000 yards receiving on the season. That won't be duplicated on Sunday.)

I totally get why you are afraid of the Bears, as well. I believe it was you who said in the past that the Packers have traditionally struggled against Lovie Smith's teams. And the Bears, for whatever reason, tend to keep Rodgers in check. His performances against the Bears:

Year/Host | Score . | Cmp/Att | Yds | TD | Int | Other
2008 @GB .| W 37-3 .| 23 / 30 | 227 | 2 .| 1 . | 1 rush, 1 yard
2008 @CHI | L 20-17 | 24 / 39 | 260 | 2 .| 1 . | 2 rush, -6 yards
2009 @GB .| W 21-15 | 17 / 28 | 184 | 1 .| 0 . | 3 rush, 7 yards
2009 @CHI | W 21-14 | 16 / 24 | 180 | 0 .| 0 . | 3 rush, 6 yards
2010 @CHI | L 20-17 | 34 / 45 | 316 | 1 .| 1 . | 2 rush, 20 yards, 1 TD
2010 @GB .| W 10-3 .| 19 / 28 | 229 | 1 .| 1 . | 7 rush, 21 yards

Of course, the Packers have also owned Cutler.

I also think that the Packers' win over the Falcons, while dominant, kind of had a snowball effect. Once they were up two scores, the Falcons became one-dimensional, and Ryan collapsed. A lot of that is on the Packer defense, which was excellent. But I think the offense took advantage of a defense that hadn't really been very good.

If the Bears can keep it close early, they'll have a great chance. Hopefully, they can capitalize on their better special teams, which did not happen in week 17.

Should be a great game.

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Re: 2010 NFC Divisional Round Discussion Thread
by T (not verified) :: Mon, 01/17/2011 - 3:44pm

Im sorry that week 17 game plan was as vanilla as one can get.The Bears didnt do anything like their recent game plans except stopping a running game that was largely effective in the 1st half. I do believe they gave their all but the coaches did not put much imagination into the game plan on purpose.

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Re: 2010 NFC Divisional Round Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Sun, 01/16/2011 - 6:13pm

#75 of the jets just went in motion and sprinted upfield...

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