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07 Jan 2011

2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread

Talk about Seattle-New Orleans and Philadelphia-Green Bay here!

Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 07 Jan 2011

270 replies , Last at 10 Jan 2011, 9:07pm by tuluse

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 5:46pm

Hoo boy. Hasselbeck plays Favre Jr. again, rifling a 5-yard pass through the hands of his receiver for the first of many picks.

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by Dave :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 5:50pm

What on earth were they hoping to accomplish with that play? The pick was a bit unlucky but at best, that slow developing mess gets back to the line of scrimmage.

They say Payton scripts the first 15, which is not unusual. I have always wondered how that works, given the unknowable down/distances.

Also, if you fear Washingron enough to give them the ball for free at the 37, why not go for that 4th and 2 after the Bush drop? The field position if you fail, relative to where they gave it to them, is almost worth as much as the FG.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Sophandros :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 5:50pm

Like seeing the Saints running the ball early on.

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by Dave :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 5:52pm

DPI in the end zone. Game over. 8:36 elapsed.

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by Marko :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 5:56pm

I waited until the TD on the next play to think "Game over."

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by Dave's iphone (not verified) :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 7:44pm

I have reconsidered.

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by Sophandros :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 5:53pm

LOVE that they're playing "The Saints are Coming" heading into the commercial...

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Sophandros :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 5:55pm

Not too keen on giving them such good field position right now, but you figure that Morestead will kick deep when the Seahawks adjust. Maybe.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Marko :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 5:58pm

Based on how they are avoiding kicking to Washington, if they play the Bears next week, it looks like they won't be kicking off to Hester.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:00pm

Great. Seattle's first decent play (first-down catch by Obumanu) and the guy who makes it gets hurt. If all of our good plays are accompanied by injuries ... well, I guess we'll still finish the game.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:05pm

Nice Seattle drive, making them look like an actual NFL team. Time to see if the defense can show up.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by 0tarin :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:10pm

Looking unlikely thus far...

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:19pm

That would be a "no", although they were a larger speed bump than usual on that drive.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Athelas :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:29pm

The Saints defense
just. cannot. tackle.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by MurphyZero :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:46pm

And those word are prophetic when Lynch breaks numerous tackles on what is likely to be the game clinching TD

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Athelas :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:30pm

Well, instead of one of those weird double posts, how about how awful are those Microsoft "To the cloud!" commercials.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Sophandros :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:31pm

That's not what the problem is right now...

(this was in reference to the tackling comment)
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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Sophandros :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:30pm

I have never seen Roman Harper so exposed in coverage. I knew he wasn't great in coverage, but dude, he has given up three HUGE catches today.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Moridin :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:58pm

Make that 4.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Moridin :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:32pm

That was just a beautiful TD play there. Glad to see the Seahawks keeping this game interesting.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Marko :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:32pm

I thought that was going to be a pick 6.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Marko :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:36pm

I like Mike Mayock as a game analyst. Mayock works for NFL Network. Why, oh why doesn't NFL Network use him on Thursday Night Football instead of the two stooges (Millen and Theismann)?

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Sophandros :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:38pm

I'm going to guess that it's because they hate us.

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by Athelas :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:41pm

The first thing I thought when I turned on this game was "Mayock-great!"

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by 0tarin :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:44pm

Whenever I hear Mayock doing the announcing, I can't help but picture the game being commentated by Sylvester the cat. I feel partially ashamed of this, because I agree that Sylvester typically does a pretty good job.

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by Athelas :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:43pm

This is more fun than I thought it would be.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Jake (not verified) :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:46pm

I'm starting to think the Seahawks have a puncher's chance here.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by 0tarin :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:52pm

I'm starting to think that Carroll and Payton agreed to swap offenses after the first quarter.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:51pm

Sorry. Just stepped back from the Sensible Universe. What did I miss?

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by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:52pm

It's like Hasselbeck is pulling out one last great performance. They may still not win, but he's drawing on every thing he has left.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Marko :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:56pm

The Saints scoff at Seattle's obvious and lame attempt to draw them offside and get a free 5 yards just before the two minute warning.

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by ammek :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:56pm

I do not feel like I'm watching a playoff game. It feels more like one of those late season games between 6-9 teams thinking about their vacations and trying not to get hurt by, say, tackling.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by 0tarin :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:59pm

And in Hasselbeck's case, still failing.

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by Marko :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 7:00pm

Well, the Seahawks were a 6-9 team just last week.

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by Athelas :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:57pm

He's just having fun out there!

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by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:58pm

I get it. This is one of those Madden hacks, and we're seeing the 2005 Seahawks instead of this year's.

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by Harris :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 6:59pm

I don't . . . I can't . . . WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?!

Hail Hydra!

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by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 7:30pm

I'm with you!

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 7:08pm

Seahawks successfully run their Gumby defense and just give up 3.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by 0tarin :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 7:08pm

The "bend and keep bending" strategy finally works!

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 7:12pm

Who the hell gives up a 45 yard touchdown to Brandon Stokley? Other than the Bengals.

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by Q (not verified) :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 7:15pm

Imagine if the Seahawks win this game, win @ Chi for the 2nd time this season, and ge tto host the NFC Title Game vs GB.

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by peachy :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 7:18pm

The Mayan thing is 2012, right?

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by jmhinfl (not verified) :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 7:41pm

This looks more like the signes of the Apocalypse: dead birds dropping from the sky, fish are dying, the Seahawks are outplaying the Saints - four more to go

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Marko :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 7:21pm

And then imagine that they win that game and play Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl. And we get to rehash the officiating controversies from their previous Super Bowl for two weeks.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 7:26pm

The Saints appear to be biting hard on every damn play fake!

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by ammek :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 7:30pm

If this New Orleans pass defense is #9 by DVOA, then Raiderjoe is a Chiefs fan.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 7:31pm

Lesson to Saints: double coverage isn't helpful if the receiver gets behind both of you!

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Is this the first evidence
by BlueManStone123 (not verified) :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 7:38pm

Is this the first evidence that Pete Carroll committed recruiting violations as coach of the Seattle Seahawks? Or are the Seahawks just excited to be on the road to .500?

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by John (not verified) :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 7:41pm

Now, can we quit with the "doesn't belong here" and "change the playoff seeding" talk? The current system works just fine.

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by dmb :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:08pm

If your argument is that Seattle is a quality playoff team because they played New Orleans tough (and very likely will have beaten them), I think you may want to reconsider. By that logic, the Bengals, Browns, and Cardinals were also worthy of playoff berths...

I don't care how far Seattle gets; when a team has 9 regular season losses, and all nine were by 15+ points, I don't want that team in the playoffs, much less hosting a game. I'm not sure that the system really needs changing; these are highly unusual circumstances, and has been discussed here frequently, pretty much all proposed alternatives have problems of their own. But regardless of what Seattle does in the playoffs, I'd say that they were significantly less qualified than multiple teams that did not make it.

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by John (not verified) :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:12pm

But regardless of what Seattle does in the playoffs, I'd say that they were significantly less qualified than multiple teams that did not make it.

But that's true of a team or three every year, probably in every playoff system. There's always someone who lucks in, and someone who lucks out.

The divisional system, to this relatively novice NFL watcher, strikes me as being very close to the heart of the system. Take divisions away, or lessen their importance, and you lose much of the character of the NFL.

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by dmb :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:19pm

I don't disagree with anything that you said in your reply, which is I why I noted that the system shouldn't necessarily changed. I guess I should have been a little more succinct: changing the system may not be beneficial, but Seattle doesn't belong here.

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by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 7:42pm

I think Roman Harper peed on an Indian burial mound sometime this week.

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by 0tarin :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 7:53pm

Easterbrook's readying his "game over" pencil...

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by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 7:55pm

You mean after scratching out the previous "game over" entry in the second quarter?

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by Intropy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:03pm

The nice thing about predicting game over is that the game always going to end and whatever happens you can claim is what you thought whould happen.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by 0tarin :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:04pm

That's why he swapped to pencils. Erasers make redacting mistakes *way* easier!

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by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 7:54pm

Dang! Saints stuffed on a 4th-and-1 after Brees Manninged the punt team off the field!

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by Willsy :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 7:55pm

Great to have a close game. As the preview said the Bluemen only have to win a game not a series. I like Maycock as a game caller.
Willsy

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:01pm

Favorite moment so far: radio announcers talk about how Pete Carroll is wasting a timeout in the 3rd quarter that he'll want later in the game. Very next play Seahawks connect for a TD.

Moral of the story: use your timeouts when appropriate.

unrelated: what's with all the dropped passes?

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Jake (not verified) :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:03pm

More support for the theory that the Seahawks were switched with their 2005 counterparts?

Although I think Simmons has it right that Hasselbeck has turned in to the Bishop from Caddyshack.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Andrew Potter :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:02pm

"...the kind of mistake a wild card team cannot make against the defending Super Bowl champions."

Er, the Seahawks aren't a wild card. Try again.

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by John (not verified) :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:08pm

Of course, the Seahawks' record isn't nearly good enough to be a wild card, so the point is true in spirit if not precisely accurate.

Who am I kidding? Announcing fail, specially since the "wild card" team is up by 2 TDs, so it would appear they absolutely can make that kind of mistake.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Nathan :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:06pm

Maycock has good content but his voice is tough. He also talks too much and uses the telestrator too much during live plays. But content wise he's quite good.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Willsy :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:18pm

Agree that he talks too much but at least it isn't drivel. Maybe if he got to do more games he would be more laid back.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Willsy :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:20pm

Great open field block by the lineman

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:26pm

All hail the Gumby defense!

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:27pm

Judging from all the drops, someone hit the slider and changed the 2005 Seahawks into the 2004 version.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:30pm

Seahawks : 4th Quarter :: Wile E. Coyote : gravity

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Willsy :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:35pm

You just have to wait for the puff of dust as they hit the ground

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by morganja :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:37pm

It's only a matter of time before a horrible injury to a kicker. They need to change the running into the kicker back to something that protects the kicker.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:41pm

Did NBC run out of commercials to air? There have been several stoppages in play that would typically invite a commercial break, but there hasn't been one for most of the fourth quarter. Awesome...

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by pfalk122588 :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:46pm

I think they may be trying to get the game to end in time for the 8:00 start time of the Jets game.

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by Jerry :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 3:42am

I think there are five commercial breaks per quarter. If there are additional stoppages, they don't cut away, and that's when time outs become 30 seconds.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Harris :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:42pm

Should the Saints have gone for it even though they were inside their own 15?

Hail Hydra!

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:44pm

I think going for it on the previous possession, rather than kicking the FG, would have been a much better risk. I'm okay with their decision in both cases, however.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Marko :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:43pm

Go Pack Go!

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:43pm

Marshawn Lynch!! Where the heck was THAT all season??

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Marko :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:46pm

Thankfully for Bears fans, not in Green Bay.

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by Tom W (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 3:50pm

But, in fairness to Ted Thompson, it wasn't in Seattle much either. Lynch didn't do a helluva lot more over the course of the season than Brandon Jackson.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by tally :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:43pm

Marshawn Lynch: Beast!

Saints defense: still can't tackle

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:43pm

Look, you cannot let the Seahawks score 40 points. I don't care where you are. Not when you're the defending Super Bowl champions.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Daniel :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:44pm

Um....wow.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Harris :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:45pm

My God. The Saints’ tackling is simply ABYSMAL. Somebody has to get fired behind that.

Hail Hydra!

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:46pm

I don't know what was least likely: Marshawn Lynch having perhaps the biggest run of the year, or Tyler Polumbus having a key hand in it. Also, even Hasselbeck was downfield on that.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by morganja :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:46pm

So, is Gregg Williams going to get a head coaching job after this season?

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by KL (not verified) :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:59pm

He shouldn't be a HC regardless. He had no grasp of game situations in Buffalo.

Getting lit up by the Seahawks you'd think would assure that.

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by RickD :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 9:01pm

He couldn't have been worse than Zorn was for the Redskins. (It was a big deal when Zorn was brought in over Williams, who was then the D-coordinator.)

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by RickD :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 9:02pm

(And yes I understand that 'not worse than Zorn' is not something you put on a resume.)

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by GO PATS (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 2:31am

Trust me, Willaims was horrrrrrible as the Bills coach. All the last few Bills coaches should sticl to Coordinators only and NEVER should be considered head coaches anywhere (Williams, Mularkey, Jauron ...) they are all brutal

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by Dave :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 5:09pm

Surprising, then, that Jauron isn't also on the Broncos' radar... Fewell, Williams, Mularkey, Studesville all coached in western NY.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:47pm

Seriously, this is on the verge of being a historic upset. Not Giants over Patriots or Patriots over Rams, but on whatever the next tier is behind that.

But at least we know that the Seahawks cannot possibly win this Sunday.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by spenczar :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 9:12pm

It would definitely be unlikely for the Seahawks to win two playoff games in one weekend, yes.

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by Joshua Northey (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 12:55am

Actually I strongly suspect statistically it was less likely than either of those two upsets. But I suppose the 4 or so point swing for home field (in this case) help mitigate it a bit.

Also I love it when people are shocked by the occurrence of something with a 25% chance of happening happens.

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by Gray Jay (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 4:05pm

Is this the biggest playoff upset ever in terms of DVOA? (34.6%, not counting HFA) I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.

As far as Vegas goes, googling the money line for the Seahawks gave me +425, which was bigger than the +380 Giants for Super Bowl 42 that I found.

Really surprised at how the Seahawks won. I could see the Seahawks winning with a couple of Brees pick-sixes, a Washington return TD or two, etc...but to let the Seahawks roll up 41 points of offense is just mind-boggling.

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by andrew :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:47pm

Awesome awesome run by Lynch....

but partly I think many of the Saints were trying to go for the ball, not the runner.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:48pm

Brees has reached the "throwing the ball backhand" phase of the game. This cannot end well.

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by andrew :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:51pm

Even at the end of the run, if he didn't make the end zone i thought they'd probably end with a field goal and the Saints would have a chance. Great job blocking to finish it, and to have all that without a block in the back (a couple looked close but couldn't say they were) was also incredible.

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by Marko :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:52pm

We'll see how good the Saints are at onside kicks when the other team expects it.

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by Bucephalus (not verified) :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:55pm

You should be doing announcing work, my friend! I turned it on just in time to hear them say that, almost word-for-word.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Marko :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:55pm

And the answer is: Terrible.

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by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:53pm

The Gumby defense fails to prevent a TD, but stops the deuce!

Still not over...

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by Athelas :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:54pm

What fun!

When does the Indy game start?

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Nathan :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:54pm

Any Given Saturday.

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by RickD :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:54pm

Horrible, horrible onside kick.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by andrew :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:56pm

Once a team leading has the math (can run out with 3 snaps and the other team doesn't have the timeouts) why do they ever still hand off instead of kneeling? Don't they watch NFL films?

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by dbt :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:58pm

they needed to run an extra second or two off the clock there to avoid having to punt.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Tyler (not verified) :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 11:05pm

They had four snaps to run off nine seconds... Why run forward and risk a fumble or something else crazy when you can run backwards for a couple seconds then take a knee? Who cares what the stat line says?

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by andrew :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 12:08am

Roger Staubach used to care. As a quarterback who ran fairly often he was proud of his yards-per-carry average. He would always lobby Landry to have his backup do the kneeldown.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by frvwfr2 :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 12:15am

Question is - Does Hasselbeck care?

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by Tyler (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 3:27pm

Okay, then put in the backup, but don't risk a fumble

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by RickD :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:59pm

And the only team left in the NFC with a starting QB with Super Bowl experience is....the Seahawks!!

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by Jake (not verified) :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 9:03pm

Anybody grab Hasselbeck for their best of the rest team? Lynch wouldn't have been a bad value either.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by JIPanick :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 9:15pm

I am among the few with Lynch. Muahahaha.

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by Wikitorix (not verified) :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 10:00pm

John Carlson, also.

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by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:58pm

Congrats to the Seahawks! Let the pundit hand-wringing begin!

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by tally :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:59pm

Much better than what I expected to be the worst game of the weekend.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 8:59pm

Times like this I'm very glad I don't gamble on football.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Andrew Potter :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 9:08pm

Times like this are -why- I don't gamble on sports.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by JIPanick :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 9:13pm

The implication being that you would have taken an 11 point road favorite? Why would you have done that to yourself, hypothetically?

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by BigCheese :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 4:09am

My thoughts exactly. If you were going to make one gamble on this round, it was clearly Seattle +10.5

Evena s I was sure New Orleans would win, I was also pretty sure they wouldn't win by 11...

- Alvaro

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Nathan :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 9:00pm

Cris Carter has some serious crow to eat.

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by RickD :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 9:03pm

File that under 'NewsFlash!'

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 9:02pm

The Falcons and Bears just recieved a 50% chance of a cupcake divisional game.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 9:09pm

Oct. 17, Chicago
Seahawks 23, Bears 20.

Go Packers!!!

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by miqewalsh :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 9:11pm

I think the Saints just proved there is such a thing as a trap game in the playoffs.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Whatev :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 9:27pm

I disagree, I think what they proved is that it's possible to cock up anything.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 9:12pm

Since his name wasn't mentioned anywhere in this thread, I wanted to add really quickly that Brandon Mebane deserves some credit for making two of the biggest defensive plays of the game, by getting penetration that was crucial to stuffing the Saints on two of the biggest plays of the game: the 4th down attempt near the end of the 3rd quarter, and the 2-point attempt near the end of the game.

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by MJK :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 9:13pm

Fun game. Seahawks had some fight. They won. Good times.

A couple of thoughts, though:

* The announcers lauding Matt Hasslebeck for getting downfield on the crazy Lynch run were kind of amusing. Especially because they cut close to a shot of Hasslebeck blocking (or, rather, whiffing on a block) a would-be tackler FROM THE BACK. Seriously...it's a good thing for the Hawks that Hasslebeck did miss that block, because if he had solidly made it, the refs would have thrown the flag and they would have had 1st and 10 from like the 30 instead of a TD. Actually, Hasslebeck did make some contact, but it was so incidental that the refs either missed it or decided not to throw the flag. And it's not like the Lynch was going to be denied on that play anyway. But you really shouldn't be lauding a guy for almost costing you a TD.

* Something to think about...this was a close enough game, that you could make a very real argument that, had it been played in New Orleans, or even on a neutral field, the Saints would have won a squeaker. They clearly looked out of sorts, and flying across country and playing in a different time zone can do that, as can the crowd noise. The crowd noise at least had something to do with the 3 or 4 false starts. So their was a definite effect. If the NFL had a seeded playoff ordering based solely on record, as many have suggested, the outcome of this game could have been siginficantly different. Not saying it should have been, or shouldn't be, but it's worth discussing.

* Hats off to Tanier (or was it Barnwell), for predicting that the Seahawks had a non-negligible chance of winning (I think he gave them 25%, based on history). The only analyst I read that gave the Hawks a chance (albeit, a 1/4 chance).

* Congrats to the Hawks on coming to play. I just wish their coach was someone other than Pete Carroll, who I hate.

* Interestingly, the Seahawks are still below 0.500 on the season, despite winning a playoff game!

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 9:20pm

Regarding your last point, the Seahawks will finish below .500 (including playoffs) unless that make the Super Bowl. Which they would have to win to finish above .500.

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by scottybsun (not verified) :: Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:11am

Um, no. They were 7-9. Won this weekend. 8-9. Win one more they are 9-9 aka .500 and are no longer below. Win NFC championship 10-9. Win SB 11-9. (not that any of this will happen, but...)

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by Spielman :: Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:33am

No. If they win next week they will be 9-9 and be .500, true, but they'd have to play another game. If they lose that, they'd be 9-10 and back under .500.

If they win the NFC championship and lose the Super Bowl, they would finish 10-10, not 10-9.

RickD had it right.

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RE block in the back
by Funtme42 (not verified) :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 10:01pm

Thought that rule only applied to kickoffs and punts? of course, I could (and probably am) wrong on that. Still, one amazing play, and as annoying as I find Pete Carroll, I was thrilled with the win.

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Re: RE block in the back
by Jerry F. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 2:48am

They never call small shoves in the back, and they happen all the time. Still, it's not worth taking the risk that they guy will flop or the ref will be strict.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 9:18pm

What is Santonio Holmes thinking???

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 10:20pm

Oh right, separate AFC thread.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 9:33pm

The defending Superbowl champs lose to a 7-9 team, and a not-particularly-good 7-9 team. Has to be one of the biggest playoff embarrassments of all time.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by dirg (not verified) :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 9:45pm

The Seahawks aren't good, but they are highly variable. This was just of those weeks (about 1 in 4) when they play well.

The Bears have a similarly high variance, so next week is a bit more up for grabs than you'd think.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 10:21pm

The Packers haven't won yet. The Seahawks might get the Falcons, not the Bears.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Kal :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 10:47pm

The Seahawks really aren't that variable. They've had one decent game against the Bears, and that was with a very different set of defenders than they have now. They've largely sucked in the same kind of way all season - poor protection, bad decision making by the QB and a defense that gave up too much.

The anomaly is really the Saints game. It was just bizarre. Regardless, the Bears would be much happier playing the Seahawks at home again instead of the Eagles again, so go Packers!

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by BigCheese :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 4:16am

Not to mention that said Bears game featured the absolute worst offensive play-calling I have ever seen by far, practically inviting the Hawks to kill Cutler by continuing to ignore the edge blitzers and letting them go in unblocked into empty backfields, so no protectiona nd no threat to run. Of course, the threat was pretty much removed by the half, since the RBs had 12 carries in that very close game. And half of them came in the first drive.

That was the game before the bye and when Lovie (pressumably) sat Martz down and told him that if he ever pulled that manure again, he was gone.

And the Hawks still only won by 3.

I'm willing to bet a good chunk of money they won't find such an easy target next week if they go to Chicago.

- Alvaro

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by stephenbawesome :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 10:28pm

It is impressive seeing the correlation between Seattle offensive success and Okung health.

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thoguhts
by Raiderjoe :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 10:46pm

Alex Flanagan is so hott.

Matt Haselbeck hasseled the beck today.

Sierra Nevada Celebration ale= good.

Marl Sanchez throwing horiribly tongiht.

M. Lynch with 2nd betst TD run playopff history. #1 Marcus Allen 74 yards super bowl 18.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Tundrapaddy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 10:50pm

Best summation thus far is by The Onion (of course)...

http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/new-orleans-saints-lose-first...

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by Raiderjoe :: Sat, 01/08/2011 - 10:50pm

am rooying for the Jets tongihgt thoguh even ex-charger L. Tomlisnon on Jets. travens and Packers tomororw.

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1 in 10000 seasons?
by David Mazzotta :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 12:47pm

Freakiness occurs. Perhaps it's time to review the 10000 seasons article.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by andrew :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 5:36pm

What's with Aaron Rodgers all bundled up? They're supposed to be the cold weather team...

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by Dave :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 5:45pm

There is no way that should be allowed to stand. He was engaged by an eagle that shoved him into the ball. That is terrible.

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by InTheBoilerRoom :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 5:49pm

Thankfully, the football gods sorted that all out.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 5:47pm

lmao @ the packers fail.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 5:49pm

You are worthless.

Edit: ooh ooh... Lmao @ the eagles fail!

Rofl omg o rly

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by Spielman :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 5:52pm

Please don't wind up being the one who gets booted, Dave. That would be a bad outcome.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:05pm

"You are worthless.

Edit: ooh ooh... Lmao @ the eagles fail!

Rofl omg o rly
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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Bill Barnwell :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:05pm

Behave. If you think he's an idiot - and that's admittedly a pretty stupid post - ignore it or attack his point.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by snowball for santa (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 5:52pm

How was that turnover even close to being a turnover? That was absurd. Isnt that reviewable?

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by Spielman :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 5:55pm

You mean the weird touched punt?

I would think that the question of whether or not the Packer actually touched the ball would be reviewable, but the judgment call of whether or not he was shoved into the ball by the Eagles wouldn't be.

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by snowball for santa (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:05pm

Your probally right about what is reviewable. I'm suprised that players aren't thrown at the ball more often to try and generate a turnover like we seen.

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by Dave :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 5:56pm

Guess not. Where the heck is Pereira? I thought he was going to be in the booth. If ever there was a time to get his input...

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Mephisto :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:02pm

It's definitely reviewable. There was a challenge on a similar play on the Seahawks game yesterday.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Athelas :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 5:59pm

Ouch!
Poor Jackson.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by SidP :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:06pm

What do you think is the best QB-WR combo in the league today?
I'd say:
1. Brady-Welker
2. Rodgers - Jennings
3. Ryan - White

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by B :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:08pm

Manning-Wayne.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:11pm

Big Ben- Wallace.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:11pm

Schaub-Johnson should be in there.

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by Mr Shush :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:15pm

I'm pretty sure I remember a statistic being flashed on screen in a number of Texans games to the effect that Schaub-Johnson is responsible for more yards per game than any other QB-WR combination all time, and by a considerable margin. I think Manning-Harrison might be second. I have no idea how to configure a search, on PFR or elsewhere, to confirm this.

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by JIPanick :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 10:14pm

Romo-Austin, when the former is healthy, is right up there.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:12pm

Terrible overrun/whiff tackle by Eagles #50.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by snowball for santa (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:12pm

Is Stewart Bradley active for the Eagles today? I haven't seen him yet. Anyone know?

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:14pm

inactive.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Crus :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:16pm

No, he's inactive today. Still hasn't completely recovered from dislocating his elbow, I guess.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:13pm

Aikman puts kiss of death on Rodgers?

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:16pm

guess not.

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by andrew :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:17pm

Who took Crabtree on their leftover team?

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by Dave :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:19pm

I really enjoy watching the Packers when they're on. Rodgers is so good and the defensive variety entertains me before the snap more than most teams.

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by snowball for santa (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:20pm

More wonderful redzone D by the Eagles! The D coordinator Mcdermott should get canned after this season. He lacks the ability to work with the talent, or lack thereof, that he has. He got a free pass last year and he stinks this year too.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Flounder :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:25pm

Matthews! He is so good at that delayed blitz.

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by Crus :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:27pm

He is a beast, but to be fair he was attacking Nick Cole, who will only be able to stop a stunting DL if he trips over and the shockwaves knock the DL over.

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by snowball for santa (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:26pm

Matthews is a BEAST!!!!

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:29pm

Matthews made a nice play to chase down Vick, but that play was really Woodson's. There was a blocker ready to pick up Matthews, but he had to slide over to help with Woodson (inside-out responsibility), who had managed to squeeze past a the first two Eagles who tried to engage him.

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by dmb :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:27pm

Wow. I think Woodson occupied 3 or 4 blockers on a blitz, which gave Matthews a free shot at Vick. Vick tries to show off his incredible speed by sprinting backwards, but he isn't able to accelerate quickly enough, and Matthews is able to catch him.

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by Flounder :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:29pm

OK, Joe Buck. It's 7-0. Probably shouldn't be talking about how James Starks makes them a bigger threat next week. Let's focus on the game at hand.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:29pm

"John Kuhn has been good {ball popped out} in this spot all year"

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Nathan :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:30pm

Lots of full house. I know the Packers use it from time to time but I've seen it 5-6 times already.

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by Flounder :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:30pm

WOW. Kuhn recovered that because the tackler didn't realize Kuhn fumbled. It was right in his gut!

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:37pm

time to scrap that formation/play.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Nathan :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:41pm

Theyve been running it all game to decent effect

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:39pm

did rodgers just trashtalk a cheerleader?

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:41pm

He was asking her out!

Posting on an iPad sucks. I type like raiderjoe on the first pass.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Shattenjager :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:45pm

I guess the Packers' last QB didn't teach him the proper way to do so . . . over the phone.

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by andrew :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:40pm

So... do they put in Kolb?

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by Bucephalus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:42pm

I think the phrase "He's not Michael Vick, but he can run" and all its variants (including "Michael Vick-lite") ought to be retired.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Flounder :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:46pm

Nice Play to Maclin. Collins just standing there like he had cement shoes on.

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by Flounder :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:48pm

Raji got out of his lane on that scramble. Stay disciplined, big man!

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Flounder :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:48pm

Raji got out of his lane on that scramble. Stay disciplined, big man!

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:55pm

Fourth time's the repost.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Insancipitory :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:48pm

Micheal Vick for your daytime Emmy consideration.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by SidP :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:49pm

Should the Packers bring big blitzes? It opens up the huge plays, which the Eagles are killer at - Vick, DJax, Maclin all looking very good right now

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Flounder :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:54pm

Jackson has no catches and one critical drop. How can that be defined as looking very good?

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:56pm

what is a "quar"

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:16pm

Hah, I was wondering myself

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:58pm

epic fail drop by Jones . 21-3 would have iced it.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Flounder :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:59pm

James Jones....... I have no words.

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by ebongreen (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:01pm

I have two words for you. Head. Case.

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by SidP :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:03pm

At least he made the TD catch before or he might be in Roman Harper land

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:00pm

Wow, James Jones. Just wow.

Why not call timeout?

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Q (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:01pm

Another Horrible Clock Management Blunder by McCarthy. How do you not try for more or even attempt some Hail Mary's.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by evenchunkiermonkey (not verified) :: Mon, 01/10/2011 - 7:10am

I feel compelled to disagree. There have been plenty of instances in the past where I would join the chorus of armchair coaches, but this is not.one of them. After james jones dropped that huge pass had the packers thrown incomplete there would still be enough time on the clock to neccesitate a punt. If that punt doesn't go out of bounds you're putting the ball in the hands of a dangerous punt returner in Desean Jackson. If it does go out of bounds you put the ball in the hands of michael vick for 20 seconds. Why would you risk either at the end of the half when you have a 2 score advantage? It wasn't bad clock management, it was responsible clock management. The Packers had a shot and didn't convert. The failure to score isn't on the coach, its on james jones.

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by MCS :: Mon, 01/10/2011 - 8:46am

My thought exactly. They took their shot and it was there. Failure to execute left them with two options. Try again and potentially set-up the Eagles or go into the half with a two score lead and knowing they have the ball starting the 2nd half.

It's conservative, but reasonable.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by SidP :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:07pm

Shockingly, Saints-Seahawks is probably the best game of the weekend - who saw that coming?

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:10pm

People who knew the Daints road playoff history ?

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:11pm

. oops.

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by SidP :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:11pm

I guess, but still the Saints were HUGE favorites

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:23pm

but line shading (possibility) aside, the line only shows what will get a 50/50 divider in the public , considering (nearly) 50% of a normal distribution of large size has to be below average intelligence....

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:21pm

MOmentum....

Avant quadruple shoulder shimmied him. WOW.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:22pm

From 21-3 and the ball to 14-10 in what, 6 plays? What a swing.

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by andrew :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:22pm

How many fumbles is that for the Packers today? That's gonna be a dvoa hit even if they got some of them back...

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:27pm

generous spot much? he made the 1st down, but not that far....

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Flounder :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:36pm

Does anyone know if Shields is hurt? I didn't see him on the field when Avant burned *shudder* Jaret Bush. I haven't heard anything from the TV announcers, but of course that means nothing.

If Shields is hurt, they are going to have a tough time stopping the Eagles with a liability in coverage on the field so much.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Flounder :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:42pm

I just saw 37 on the field, so I guess not.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Rocco :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:59pm

When David Akers is hooking makeable FGs, it's not your day.

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by ebongreen (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:02pm

It seems like Winston Justice isn't much better at right tackle than he was at left. If he actually blocks Clay Matthews for a half-second, McCoy probably has a cut-back lane and a first down. Even though he's got CM to contend with, he's really making the case that he shouldn't be a starting tackle anywhere.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:02pm

Sometimes I suspect that there really are Football Gods, and they like to smite those who make wussy decisions and don't trust their offense to gain six inches.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Q (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:06pm

Stupid McCarthy. Classic get up by Double Digits and go into Ultra Conservative Run Mode which leads to punts. There is a reason why he causes them to lose almost every single close game.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:09pm

25 yards on the punt. More smiting, though that kick was defensible, i guess, given the lost yardage on third and one.

Matt Dodge approves of the demonstration of the difficulties of directional punting, though.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Camp Bras (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:12pm

Watchinh this last punt by GB, straight out-of-bounds, I would suggest one simple rule change:

If the ball goes straight out-of-bounds after a punt, without touching the field-of-play or a player within the field-of-play, the receiving team will start its drive in the spot of the kick.

A "intentional grounding" in punting...

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by SidP :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:14pm

Yeah they should make it how it is on kickoffs, it's a penalty if the kick goes straight out. I don't know why it's different for punts

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by Tyler (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 10:22pm

The difference is a team could easily kick the ball out of bounds behind the 20 on a kickoff, but a punt out of bounds is typically about a 30 yard punt... Its giving up 10-20 yards in length to ensure no return.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Flounder :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:21pm

OK, Rodgers, go win this game.

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by andrew :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:29pm

More like Starks go win this game.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:21pm

One score game with four to go, two timeouts left for each. Who will out-mismanage the other?

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by ebongreen (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:22pm

I think Brent Celek just made a fail about equal to Underwood's punt-touch in the first quarter. Neither one was paying quite enough attention to where their feet were.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Mr Shush :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:24pm

Good God, I cannot believe the idiocy of the discussion between Halling and Reinebold over whether the Eagles should go (and then should have gone) for it on that 4th and goal. How can you even think about kicking there?

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by andrew :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:24pm

I think the Eagles should kick it now.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Camp Bras (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:26pm

Six-points game and Akers have missed two FGs. Scapegoat in the making?

PS: A brilliant 2pt conversion denied by less than half foot out-of-bounds. And the next play was awful...

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Rocco :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:26pm

Good thing Andy burned a timeout there to figure out what to do on 4th. Not like they'll need the timeout or anything.

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by snowball for santa (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:27pm

I thought there was no do overs on 2 pt conversions?

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Rocco :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:31pm

If the offense converts but there's a penalty against the offense, it's a do-over with the penalty enforced. I remember it happening in a Steelers game but I can't recall the game off the top of my head.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by B :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:34pm

In theory the defense could decline the penalty so there's no do-over. Doesn't work so well if the offense converts. Also, there would be a do-over on a defensive penalty, if the offense didn't convert.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Jerry :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 11:39pm

The playoff game against Jacksonville.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Anonymous1 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:29pm

Starks always holds the ball in his right hand. As a Packer fan, that worries me. Reminds me of Ahman Green.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Flounder :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:32pm

Ugh, did not like that play-calling. The throw should have been on second down.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Q (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:34pm

This loss should go on McCarthy. Whenever GB gets up by 10 or 11 he goes into ultra conservative run mode which of course means punt after punt. If your strength is your passing game then don't abandon it when you need 2 1st downs to win the game

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Spielman :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:42pm

What loss?

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Tom W (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 10:45pm

Thank you. Give Spielman a cigar.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by andrew :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:36pm

That almost went all the way...

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Rocco :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:38pm

I didn't know there was an exception to the runoff rule for when a player couldn't get up.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by andrew :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:39pm

They didn't run-off because it was an incomplete pass, therefore the clock would not be running. If he had caught it, it would be.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Anonymous1 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:24pm

Shouldn't the Eagles have gotten a delay of game penalty since they wouldn't be able to snap the ball before the play clock ran out?

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by MCS :: Mon, 01/10/2011 - 8:56am

The Anon has a point. The Eagles essentially received a free timeout. The play clock was not running and they were able to meet and disuss the final minute of the game.

What is to prevent fake injuries in order to get free time?

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:07pm

What is to prevent fake injuries in order to get free time?

The player can't come back in the game for a play. Other than that nothing, and players have done it, and it's not really a big deal.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:38pm

In past years, Capers had a horrible habit of sending obvious blitzes in bad situations and getting burned late. Right on cue, he rushes six into max protect, and the Eagles get a big play basically uncontested.

Love his preparation. Hate his judgment.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by SidP :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:39pm

Now they've got to back everyone into coverage - even if Vick runs, no timeouts left for Philly

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by andrew :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:38pm

I think the helmet hit right on the elbow. His arm is probably in agony...

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by andrew :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:40pm

I predict they will not run out of time. They will turn it over on downs.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Flounder :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:41pm

Thank you VIck!!!!!!

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by andrew :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:42pm

The deserving team won. Not sure why Williams ran out of the end zone, notice he was almost tackled by his teammate.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Camp Bras (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:45pm

The only divisional champion to win in the Wild Card round was the SEAHAWKS!

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by The Powers That Be :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:49pm

Just as we all predicted.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by ebongreen (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:51pm

Wild Cards are dangerous this year. Though I'd say the Jets are pretty likely to fall next week vs. Darth Hoodie. Pittsburgh will have its hands full with the Ravens as usual.

Atlanta and Chicago would much rather have faced the Eagles than the Packers, I think. Rodgers is dangerous, and if James Starks (speed score 106 - linked in my name) gives him a running game, the Packers are suddenly a rather complete and competitive team.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by RowdyRoddyPiper :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:55pm

You realize Chicago was the only team of the two listed that could face the Eagles? Though I am sure that Atlanta is less than thrilled to be facing the Packers rather than the Seahawks.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Camp Bras (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:48pm

The right thing to do instead of a desperate play in the end zone, was to spike the ball, lose a down, and stop the clock. Unless, that's illegal and I don't know...

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Marko :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:50pm

Agreed, but Vick would have had to be under center rather than in shotgun. If you try to spike it from the shotgun, it's intentional grounding. I think a spike would have been the smarter play there.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:51pm

If that was legal i think we would see a lot more spikes-as-in-the-pocket-throwaways.

Dunno, though.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Jerry :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 11:38pm

The spike is only legal as a clock-stopping ploy where the QB has to be under center and throw the ball immediately. Anything else is treated as a regular pass, with all the liability for intentional grounding.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:48pm

Due to all the love Vick is recieving for his flukily low int-rate, I love the way this game ended.

3 wild cards won this week, and none of them were the Saints. Go figure.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by Mr Shush :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:11pm

To be honest, at even money, no spread I would have backed every road team in this round, but I freely admit that I would have been very confident picking the Saints and much less so picking the Packers and Jets. Certainly every wild card was a better team than its division champ opponent according to DVOA.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by snowball for santa (not verified) :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:09pm

Why did the Eagles waste all the time and energy getting rid of Mcnabb? That was a vintage Mcnabb choke job that Vick did. Decent numbers. Bad clock management. And poops the bed at the end for the official choke. As a Birds fan this ending to the season is as reliable as the sun rise in the morning. It feels oddly normal to me.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by andrew :: Mon, 01/10/2011 - 8:51am

Vick sold a lot more jerseys than McNabb.

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Re: 2010 NFC Wild Card Discussion Thread
by miqewalsh :: Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:31pm

Tonight, the role of "Schroedinger's Goat" was shared by James Jones and/or David Akers.

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