Use this thread to discuss preseason action throughout August.
Posted by: Aaron Schatz on 29 Aug 2012
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by Nathan :: Sun, 08/05/2012 - 8:38pm
First Kolb throw of the season, off his back foot for no real reason, is a floating out that is jumped and picked. Bad read, bad throw. Silver lining: if he had a better arm it probably would have been a pick 6.
The Kolb trade is going to go down in history as one of the worst deals in history; Cromartie is a starting cornerback on what still should be a very good defense, the Eagles got picks, and Kolb is a nobody who Andy Reid made look like a journeyman QB (maybe a McCown) when he was an Eagle.
So who's the darkhorse Saints WR fantasy contributor out of this game? Andy Tanner? You can't be too hard on him for that fumble. It was a great catch over the middle and he was demolished shortly after it.
If your league gives you credit for return yardage, Morgan would be the sleeper pick.
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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Fri, 08/10/2012 - 9:19am
Did anyone else see any of the Bears-Broncos preseason game and feel sorry for Caleb Hanie when he came in for the Broncos got a tsunami of boos from the Bears faithful? I know he single-handedly murdered the Chicago Bears 2011 season (with an assist from Marion Barber), but that look on his face was just pitiful. I guess thats' the reaction Kristin Stewart would get if she walked into a Twilight Fan Convention.
Yes, I saw it. No, I did not feel sorry for him one bit. As you said, "he single-handedly murdered the Chicago Bears 2011 season (with an assist from Marion Barber)." What did you expect for him, a rousing ovation? Boo-freaking hoo.
He's a professional football player who makes an insane amount of money compared to the average fan watching the game. Based on his performance last season, he should be thankful to have a job in the NFL. Hopefully he is not so mentally weak that a little booing will permanently damage him. If you think the booing he received last night was bad, wait till you see what happens in Denver if Manning goes down and Hanie has to play for an extended period this season.
I do find it humorous that this comment comes from "JoeyHarringtons Piano." Talk about a QB known for being mentally weak . . . .
Gabbert looking ... better ... so far against the giants. first play, tuck blows past the tackle like he isn't there, but gabbert hangs in and throws it away. looking like a 90 yard drive to start the (pre)season
Colt McCoy is actually looking quite impressive thusfar in the DET/CLE replay. Not that it matters, Weeden didn't look terrible and you don't draft a 28 year old QB to sit on the bench
Andrew Luck has looked pretty solid in his first outing. He's been very accurate so far. He's completion numbers should be even higher, since his receivers have dropped a few.
Kafka is the perfect name for an Eagles quarterback. The story of a man who travels for a living does his best and wakes up one day to find out that everyone sees he's transformed into an insect. A burden to those around him, he leaves and dies. German literature, Eagles quarterback.
Either the Redskins offensive line is terrible, or the Bears pass rush is going to be really good.
Another either/or is the Skin's secondary or the Bears receiving corps. Cutler was having no trouble finding receivers open just about every time he dropped back. Marshall and Jeffery in particular stood out, but Bennett and Hester had some nice plays too.
RG3 looked skittish in the pocket.
Replacement refs are even worse at calling pass interference than the regulars.
Way too many injuries. I think 4 Redskins players including Orakpo left the game not to return, and the Bears lost 2 of their top 4 safeties and their punter.
by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 08/19/2012 - 5:48pm
I watched the first quarter and part of the second. The Skins may have a suspect secondary and offensive line, but they definitely have a good pass rush, so Bears fans should be encouraged by how well their o-line held up. (Addition by subtraction...of Mike Martz).
Pats / Eagles, Pats score a TD. Eagles have 12 men on the field on the PAT and get flagged. Refs announce that penalty will be enforced on the kickoff but Belichick elects to instead take the half the distance to the goal and goes for two. Vereen walks into the EZ untouched.
Such an obvious move in retrospect but yet totally genius. What's 5 yards on what will most likely be a touchback anyway vs a point on the board / getting your team a practice short yardage goal line snap? Bill Belichick, ladies and gentlemen.
I don't understand why teams ever kick a PAT in pre-season.
I mean I know you want to get some in game practice with the place kicker and special teams blocking, but how valuable is the practice from the 2 yard line?
by joe football (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2012 - 8:19pm
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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Fri, 08/24/2012 - 10:11am
Kolb started looking a little better and ended up with ok numbers, but he still bails from the pocket way too early, and stares down his receivers (hence the bad interceptions). He hasn't shown any evidence that he's going to be consistently even an average quarterback.
The Cards should just go full house backfield, with Fitz occasionally running go routes, and then hope they can trade up to get Barkley or Jones in the draft next year.
The thing about Kolb is, he seems okay, but he also seems to prefer to throw into double coverage. The 2nd INT, iirc, came on a throw into triple coverage.
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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Fri, 08/24/2012 - 2:59pm
I get the impression that the real problem is that Kolb tries to fit throws into tight windows when he doesn't have the accuracy or arm strength to do so successfully. The difference between Alex Smith and Kevin Kolb is that Alex Smith understands his own limitations (at least since 2011).
It sucks, of course. But isn't this somewhat of an overreaction? I understand it puts pressure on the Steelers to start scrambling to keep an OL together, but it's not like that hasn't happened before. Season over? Hardly.
by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Mon, 08/27/2012 - 8:42am
Yeah, all that will happen is that Big Ben will get pressured, scramble around, take far more sacks than he should, but also make enough big plays to counterbalance that, and keep the Steelers offense moving. So what else is new? (Other than the fact that you'll see Todd Haley shout obscenities into his headset...well I guess that's really not new either).
Roethlisberger's 30 years old. With each year that passes - and its accompanying punishment - he's going to get less good at shaking off rushers and making big plays, and slower to recover when one of those too many sacks injures him. This model has an expiry date, and it's getting closer.
Except for the fumblefest. Keshawn Martin may just have handed the WR3 job to Lestar Jean with his two, and Trindon Holliday's made the decision on whether to keep him on the roster as a pure return specialist from a seeming no-brainer after two return touchdowns in the first two games to a very close call indeed.
by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Mon, 08/27/2012 - 8:43am
Arizona Cardinals fans are nodding in agreement, except for the fact that they have Fitzgerald, and even he may not be enough to rescue their passing game.
I wasn't horribly worried about Harrell as the back-up going into the season as many others due to some blind faith in how well the staff coaches up QB's (Rodgers being a great example as well because they reworked his throwing motion while he was riding pine behind Stubbleface) but I'm much less worried after tonight. I'm still worried about depth on the o-line but Harrell doesn't need to have the playbook changed when he steps in, even if he isn't as dynamic as Rodgers. Even with him having the potential to be more miss than hit, he played well after getting most of the practice snaps. So I'm not sure he'll do too well having to step in during a game but if they know Rodgers is going to be out and he gets the practice reps I think he can keep the team afloat for 3 or 4 games if need be.
I also know this game carries extra weight for roster spots for the Packers and I'm wondering what will happen with the receivers. Gurley made a few good catches and has played really well on special teams. Borel has also been good (and likely had the lead in the competition for the spot if they carry 6 WR coming in) and Boykin has continued his late camp charge and carried it into the game. Considering Borel and Gurley both got offers from other teams last year to join their 53 man rosters (Packers matched the money on those contracts to keep the on the PS) I'm not sure they can sneak them onto the PS this year.
by perruques (not verified) :: Sun, 03/03/2013 - 1:50am
Gabbert looking ... better ... so far against the giants. first play, tuck blows past the tackle like he isn't there, but gabbert hangs in and throws it away. looking like a 90 yard drive to start the (pre)season
by Cathedralplumbing (not verified) :: Wed, 04/03/2013 - 2:21am
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by chat random (not verified) :: Fri, 04/26/2013 - 4:37pm
I also know this game carries extra weight for roster spots for the Packers and I'm wondering what will happen with the receivers. Gurley made a few good catches and has played really well on special teams. Borel has also been good (and likely had the lead in the competition for the spot if they carry 6 WR coming in) and Boykin has continued his late camp charge and carried it into the game. Considering Borel and Gurley both got offers from other teams last year to join their 53 man rosters (Packers matched the money on those contracts to keep the on the PS) I'm not sure they can sneak them onto the PS this year.
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First Kolb throw of the season, off his back foot for no real reason, is a floating out that is jumped and picked. Bad read, bad throw. Silver lining: if he had a better arm it probably would have been a pick 6.
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Aaaaaand he leaves the game with an injury. Kevin Kolb, ladies and gentlemen.
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Trying real hard to not overreact to the preseason, but I'd be really nervous if I were a Cards fan.
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I hope that attrition due to seppiku has cut their numbers in half by week 2.
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Fitzgerald doesn't even have a target yet?
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And right on cue...
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Tell you what, Chase Daniel doesn't look half bad.
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uggh, Kevin Kolb
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Cardinals-like football detected?
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The Kolb trade is going to go down in history as one of the worst deals in history; Cromartie is a starting cornerback on what still should be a very good defense, the Eagles got picks, and Kolb is a nobody who Andy Reid made look like a journeyman QB (maybe a McCown) when he was an Eagle.
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So who's the darkhorse Saints WR fantasy contributor out of this game? Andy Tanner? You can't be too hard on him for that fumble. It was a great catch over the middle and he was demolished shortly after it.
Or Joe Morgan? Who looked better?
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If your league gives you credit for return yardage, Morgan would be the sleeper pick.
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Let's not forget that Alex Smith looked helpless against the Saints in preseason week 1 last year and then went 13-3. Of course, I'm not flamboyant.
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Steelers Offense very vanilla and run heavy
David Johnson already hurt
OL showing some individual potential, but still a lot of learning pains and gelling needed.
Omar wasted a terrible challenge
(what's new is old all over again)
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guy went headhunting on Captain Windwill
sick.
really dirty
beagles fans should be ashamed.
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beagles punt again...
vick hurt throwing hand on blockers helmet
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Rainey awesome TD
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Did anyone else see any of the Bears-Broncos preseason game and feel sorry for Caleb Hanie when he came in for the Broncos got a tsunami of boos from the Bears faithful? I know he single-handedly murdered the Chicago Bears 2011 season (with an assist from Marion Barber), but that look on his face was just pitiful. I guess thats' the reaction Kristin Stewart would get if she walked into a Twilight Fan Convention.
-I'm not Billy Bad-Ass.
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Yes, I saw it. No, I did not feel sorry for him one bit. As you said, "he single-handedly murdered the Chicago Bears 2011 season (with an assist from Marion Barber)." What did you expect for him, a rousing ovation? Boo-freaking hoo.
He's a professional football player who makes an insane amount of money compared to the average fan watching the game. Based on his performance last season, he should be thankful to have a job in the NFL. Hopefully he is not so mentally weak that a little booing will permanently damage him. If you think the booing he received last night was bad, wait till you see what happens in Denver if Manning goes down and Hanie has to play for an extended period this season.
I do find it humorous that this comment comes from "JoeyHarringtons Piano." Talk about a QB known for being mentally weak . . . .
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Joey Harrington is sensitive man! He plays the piano!
-I'm not Billy Bad-Ass.
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I'd like to talk about the officials. I have no idea how the mistaken touchback call got made in the Buffalo/Washington game.
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Gabbert looking ... better ... so far against the giants. first play, tuck blows past the tackle like he isn't there, but gabbert hangs in and throws it away. looking like a 90 yard drive to start the (pre)season
/and jennings looks as good as mjd
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uncalled pass interference on the giants next drive costs the giants a touchdown
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and the jags fumble on the first play of the next drive on a 'burn this play' end around
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Watch the play side safety on the Kaepernick run. Hilarious.
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Colt McCoy is actually looking quite impressive thusfar in the DET/CLE replay. Not that it matters, Weeden didn't look terrible and you don't draft a 28 year old QB to sit on the bench
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Andrew Luck has looked pretty solid in his first outing. He's been very accurate so far. He's completion numbers should be even higher, since his receivers have dropped a few.
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Kafka is the perfect name for an Eagles quarterback. The story of a man who travels for a living does his best and wakes up one day to find out that everyone sees he's transformed into an insect. A burden to those around him, he leaves and dies. German literature, Eagles quarterback.
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Well Megatron looks ready for the season, but it would be nice if the other Lions receivers bothered to get open.
-I'm not Billy Bad-Ass.
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My thoughts on the Bears-Redskins game.
Either the Redskins offensive line is terrible, or the Bears pass rush is going to be really good.
Another either/or is the Skin's secondary or the Bears receiving corps. Cutler was having no trouble finding receivers open just about every time he dropped back. Marshall and Jeffery in particular stood out, but Bennett and Hester had some nice plays too.
RG3 looked skittish in the pocket.
Replacement refs are even worse at calling pass interference than the regulars.
Way too many injuries. I think 4 Redskins players including Orakpo left the game not to return, and the Bears lost 2 of their top 4 safeties and their punter.
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I watched the first quarter and part of the second. The Skins may have a suspect secondary and offensive line, but they definitely have a good pass rush, so Bears fans should be encouraged by how well their o-line held up. (Addition by subtraction...of Mike Martz).
-I'm not Billy Bad-Ass.
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The Redskins o-line is terrible.
I suspect the Bears will nevertheless still have a pretty good pass rush.
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Pats / Eagles, Pats score a TD. Eagles have 12 men on the field on the PAT and get flagged. Refs announce that penalty will be enforced on the kickoff but Belichick elects to instead take the half the distance to the goal and goes for two. Vereen walks into the EZ untouched.
Such an obvious move in retrospect but yet totally genius. What's 5 yards on what will most likely be a touchback anyway vs a point on the board / getting your team a practice short yardage goal line snap? Bill Belichick, ladies and gentlemen.
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I don't understand why teams ever kick a PAT in pre-season.
I mean I know you want to get some in game practice with the place kicker and special teams blocking, but how valuable is the practice from the 2 yard line?
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Ask Rob Bironas.
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Caught some of the Titans-Cardinals game last night.
The Cards just really don't have a QB.
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Kolb started looking a little better and ended up with ok numbers, but he still bails from the pocket way too early, and stares down his receivers (hence the bad interceptions). He hasn't shown any evidence that he's going to be consistently even an average quarterback.
The Cards should just go full house backfield, with Fitz occasionally running go routes, and then hope they can trade up to get Barkley or Jones in the draft next year.
-I'm not Billy Bad-Ass.
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Trade up? If the Cards don't mind which of Barkley and Jones they end up with, they could be in a position to trade down to someone who does . . .
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The thing about Kolb is, he seems okay, but he also seems to prefer to throw into double coverage. The 2nd INT, iirc, came on a throw into triple coverage.
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I get the impression that the real problem is that Kolb tries to fit throws into tight windows when he doesn't have the accuracy or arm strength to do so successfully. The difference between Alex Smith and Kevin Kolb is that Alex Smith understands his own limitations (at least since 2011).
-I'm not Billy Bad-Ass.
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Steeler season over.
Decastro ruined leg
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On the upside, the NYJ would trade straight up Wayne Hunter for deCastro's injured leg.
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It sucks, of course. But isn't this somewhat of an overreaction? I understand it puts pressure on the Steelers to start scrambling to keep an OL together, but it's not like that hasn't happened before. Season over? Hardly.
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Yeah, all that will happen is that Big Ben will get pressured, scramble around, take far more sacks than he should, but also make enough big plays to counterbalance that, and keep the Steelers offense moving. So what else is new? (Other than the fact that you'll see Todd Haley shout obscenities into his headset...well I guess that's really not new either).
-I'm not Billy Bad-Ass.
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Roethlisberger's 30 years old. With each year that passes - and its accompanying punishment - he's going to get less good at shaking off rushers and making big plays, and slower to recover when one of those too many sacks injures him. This model has an expiry date, and it's getting closer.
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Texans and Saints both look like they're going to pick up right where they left off.
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Except for the fumblefest. Keshawn Martin may just have handed the WR3 job to Lestar Jean with his two, and Trindon Holliday's made the decision on whether to keep him on the roster as a pure return specialist from a seeming no-brainer after two return touchdowns in the first two games to a very close call indeed.
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Sanchez and the Jets recievers truly deserve each other. They've got Tebow, maybe they should just run the wishbone and punt.
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Arizona Cardinals fans are nodding in agreement, except for the fact that they have Fitzgerald, and even he may not be enough to rescue their passing game.
-I'm not Billy Bad-Ass.
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I wasn't horribly worried about Harrell as the back-up going into the season as many others due to some blind faith in how well the staff coaches up QB's (Rodgers being a great example as well because they reworked his throwing motion while he was riding pine behind Stubbleface) but I'm much less worried after tonight. I'm still worried about depth on the o-line but Harrell doesn't need to have the playbook changed when he steps in, even if he isn't as dynamic as Rodgers. Even with him having the potential to be more miss than hit, he played well after getting most of the practice snaps. So I'm not sure he'll do too well having to step in during a game but if they know Rodgers is going to be out and he gets the practice reps I think he can keep the team afloat for 3 or 4 games if need be.
I also know this game carries extra weight for roster spots for the Packers and I'm wondering what will happen with the receivers. Gurley made a few good catches and has played really well on special teams. Borel has also been good (and likely had the lead in the competition for the spot if they carry 6 WR coming in) and Boykin has continued his late camp charge and carried it into the game. Considering Borel and Gurley both got offers from other teams last year to join their 53 man rosters (Packers matched the money on those contracts to keep the on the PS) I'm not sure they can sneak them onto the PS this year.
Tomorrow will be interesting to see all the cuts.
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Gabbert looking ... better ... so far against the giants. first play, tuck blows past the tackle like he isn't there, but gabbert hangs in and throws it away. looking like a 90 yard drive to start the (pre)season
/and jennings looks as good as mjd
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This is definitely a blog that people need to get behind. The problem is, no one wants to do a great deal of reading and not have something else to stimulate the mind. This is the internet, after all Chatrandom
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I also know this game carries extra weight for roster spots for the Packers and I'm wondering what will happen with the receivers. Gurley made a few good catches and has played really well on special teams. Borel has also been good (and likely had the lead in the competition for the spot if they carry 6 WR coming in) and Boykin has continued his late camp charge and carried it into the game. Considering Borel and Gurley both got offers from other teams last year to join their 53 man rosters (Packers matched the money on those contracts to keep the on the PS) I'm not sure they can sneak them onto the PS this year.
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