Talk amongst yourselves
15 Jan 2010
Yes, talk about the divisional round games here.
Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 15 Jan 2010
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17 Jan 2010, 11:25am by
1 hour to go and I have nothing planned for this afternoon except football, so...
I predict New Orleans gets pressure on Warner and magically transforms him into Bad Kurt and everybody forgets about all the great games he's played for a week and NO wins comfortably.
Then the Ravens will play solid D and keep the Colts O in check, especially by shutting down all of the WR corpse not named Wayne, but the Colts D will keep it close and they will pull off a narrow victory.
"Just look at that pumpkin."
-John Madden, looking at the moon.
Wow, the Verizon football zone lady has got an impressive rack. I could watch her talk about football all day.
Tim Hightower just matched his season total on that run. 69 yards for a TD.
...is worthless without pics.
had fun with that lady's photo spread a couple of years aho
ARI have to defend otherwise game over
The heads of all Packer fans just exploded in response to that roughing call.
"You can't hit the QB in the head... oh and then pull his facemask, that will always get called..." Arrgh! I think at least one of the announcers was aware of the awkwardness, as well.
I still can't believe the head of officiating came out and defended that call. That the ref couldn't see it, I fully accept. That is was the right call? Nonsense.
The Cardinals look like they want to break their own record for most total points scored in a playoff game.
Yowza! A forty yard flea-flicker.
The highlight reel for this game is going to be as long as the game itself.
Is anyone planning on playing defence in this game?
I've seen 2 punts, an interception called back and a strip fumble... but yeah that's it.
Smith, big lineman with a pick and Warner looks like he will be ok.
My favorite line of the day so far is when Sharper picked up the fumble and Moose Johnston announced, "Darren Sharper is ALWAYS in the right spot". This is, of course, ignoring the fact that Sharper completely and utterly whiffed on the tackle on Hightower's long TD run.
Well, I guess this is at least marginally more competitive than the Sugar Bowl - "the Superdome in 2010, where thrilling football comes to die."
What was the over/under on this game? I think they break 100 easy...
Just looked it up. 57.5. They went over in the first half.
Cardinals vs. Saints NFL Playoff Point Spreads:
Sportsbook.com Cardinals vs. Saints Line: Saints -7, Over-Under 57
BetUs.com Cardinals vs. Saints Line: Saints -7, Over-Under 57.5
BetEd.com Cardinals vs. Saints Line: Saints -7, Over-Under 57
The Saints do the ultra-annoying "call the timeout right before the kicker kicks" move and Rackers misses the meaningless FG. On the one that matters, Rackers misses again, just short. I really wanted him to make that as a middle finger to Payton.
Leinart in - I'm revising my number down to 80.
And I think the over/under on Warner starting another game is 1 and I'm taking the under.
Reading this discussion board it's shamefully clear to see that football outsiders has officially reached the masses....what a shame
It's mostly commentator bashing and coach bashing... so what's new, mr not verified?
I've been reading FO since the days of the Foxsports.com affiliation, and the message boards have hardly changed a bit. And I'm pretty sure that the management wants to reach the masses - you don't feed your content to ESPN and the NYTimes if you're hoping to remain under the radar, yes?
Relax, comrade. You have nothing to lose but your chains.
Reading Ryan (not verified)'s comment made it emphatically clear that he has more insightful things to say than the rest of us . . . how emphatic
I believe his upbraiding was a result of the brief mention of the pretty football lady with the big tits.
Because, you know, only slobs like to see beautiful women. Certainly nobody who could slog his way through a 10000 word treatise on a nickel coverage formation has any time to mindlessly ogle a girl.
Why must 'intelligent analysis' equate with dour seriousness?
It's only a stupid football game.
"Kurt Warner, what did you think when that guy hit you on the blind side?"
Why aren't Saints going for it on 4th and 3? They would probably convert it like 75 % of the time. IMo 30 yards of field position is not worth that much compared to giving Cardinals the ball.
Cardinals Defense is not attacking the ball. It's read and react defense as if they expect a trick play on every play...
5 Playoff games so far, and only 1 has been competitive.
"...which brings them to 4th and 5, and the Cardinals are forced to punt."
TMQ is scrawling madly in his notebook as we speak.
"Hey Kurt Warner, what did you think when you didn't convert that crucial 4th down?"
It's too bad he'll probably retire. He and Leinart could start on many teams.
Saints looking good - quite good.
That town and that quarterback deserve a Lombardi trophy.
forgot to list picks
Saints 42, cradinals 17
Colts 24, ravens 10
Vikings 30, cowobys 20
Chargers 31, Jets 13
Saints 45, Cardinals 14
I'll, ummm, post the rest of my picks tomorrow night.
Yes, Raiderjoe, we're going to have to disregard your Saints pick, unless you have access to a time machine.
If so, I'd suggest telling Al Davis not to draft JaMarcus Russell.
Fair enough but pick was made early ind ay just never came here to post it.
gott to say 2nd pick loking good too. Cots 24-10, score is 17-3 atr end of 3rd
If we could go back in time we Raiders' fans not do it to prevent the JaCrapus pick - no... We would go to the place where Davis became a member of the undead and prevent that franchise-shifting tragedy from ever happening...
I've already got my stakes sharpened and my silver bullets.
nothing wrong with Al Davis. Maybe greattes football mind of all time, right up there with G Halas and Bill Wash, Vince Lombradi, and Madden.
So what if team have dry spell>? Not Davis fault. He gets good player and coahces. Just problem was that some didnt; work out. Then Davis fixes proeblem by axing them. Biggest jerk in Raiders histpry is L Kiffin. That guy derseves to be tarred and fetahered.
Davis to have Raiders bakck ton top in no time. just dont you worry about that
Sierra Nevada celebration ale in full efeftc tonight!
Dan Dierdorf. Goddamn it. Dan Dierdorf. Between this and Theismann, I can only surmise that the television networks hate their viewers.
If there is a Westwood One station in your area, mute the TV and turn on the
radio. It's what I'm doing.
Really? My radio and TV feeds are offset by about 10 seconds, so the audio doesn't match the video.
Deirdorf makes the first gaffe of the night. LeRon McClain was in fact recently voted to his second Pro Bowl, not his first.
Two yard completion from Manning to Addai on a pass that traveled twenty-two yards: Ten up, two forward and ten back down.
shoarma tosti's it's time for that
I applaud Caldwell for going for it on 4th down. Ravens called a timeout, and we'll see what ends up happening, but regardless of what does, it was a good decision.
Lets see... aiii he doesn't gives it short. it was a short out, but picked up quickly. Reminds me of [edit note: we don't want that discussion again]
TD on the drive.
This is one of the best halves I've seen Manning play. Maybe only two or three non-perfect throws total - but against the Ravens, that gets you only ten points.
It's simply unfair that one team is allowed to keep Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs, Haloti Ngata, and Ray Lewis year after year.
It's simply unfair that we hold the Colts under 20 points year after year, and lose.
I know it might be little consolation, but many of those games have been really, really frightening to Colts fans. I, at least, fear Haloti Ngata in a way I only ever feared a young Richard Seymour.
That Pete Manring or whoever is a darn good QB. Awesome drive.
He's been the best for the past 10 years.
Better than Brady?
Dierdorf's explanation of Manning's "happy feet" was, 'that's just the way he works."
I always thought he moved his feet so they wouldn't be planted if he got hit, thus protecting his knees from potential injury.
It's more to get accurate when you deliver the throw.
When I coach my QB I tell him to point his hips to to the target, but when he reads he isn't open, he should go to the next, and that's why you keep your feet moving. You need your weight on your toes like a boxer.
I always likened it to Japanese sword fighting. By constantly moving their feet in really tiny steps, they stay in perfect balance, ready to strike at any time. I seem to remember a Peyton interview where he gave exactly that reason - he's always in balance for a throw.
Boxers do it for exactly the same reason, of course, but katanas make for better movies.
Great play by Lewis to prevent the TD.
Somebody really has to do something about the penalities. Is Lewis really expected to say, "oh, i'm going to hit him, but 3 inches lower than where I was originally planning"?
I've always learned that when someone has the ball, he's free for all.
So I don't like the helmet to helmet rule or the "touched tom brady by his shirt with the tip of your finger" rule.
Sometimes I wonder why I have to consistently coach kids who have played football for +7 years the basic tackling tenet of "see what you hit"
Then I read someone write "coach my QB" and "when someone has the ball, he's free for all" and it all becomes crystal clear.
That was a personal foul like I'm a fucking ballerina.
6 Playoff Games, only 1 has been competitive.
I don't know what game you are watching, but the one I'm watching was competitive, at least for the first 28 minutes. May even be for the 2nd half. I don't know because, you know, it hasn't fucking been played yet.
The call on Lewis is just not fair in football. I'm not even sure if the guy was defenseless or just willfully blind.
Ravens couldn't afford to leave the Colts 2 min on the clock. They get the ball to start, being down 7 wouldn't be bad. Calling a timeout and two incompletions was not smooth.
That Manning is a pretty good QB :)
Am I the only non-Colts fan who thinks the personal foul call on Ray Lewis was a good one?
You're not alone.
If you're going to catch a ball in the end zone you'd better expect a hit.
I hate the call but think they got it right.
He launches himself into the air, leading with the crown of his helmet, with one hand at his hip and one hand behind his head.
You can't draw up a spear that is more obvious than that.
I don't agree with the claim that he "launched himself into the air".
Then I guess reality escapes you.
He leapt with both feet before he hit the receiver, which is "launching" with respect to this rule. While you might disagree with the rule, by the book, it was the correct call.
it fits the rule but there is no other way that ray can make a play on collie. Should he have just stood there and watch him catch a touchdown? He made the only play he could, so regardless of whether it was a penalty or not, it was still a great play by ray
Hey ref, the only way I could stop that QB from throwing a touchdown pass was to slam into his knee and injure him. If I had done a better job prior to that, it might have been different, but I didn't, so I made the only play I could.
The answer to your question is yes, he should have watched Collie catch the touchdown. Alternatively, he could have made a legal hit to attempt to jar the ball loose. If you can't make a legal play to stop the catch, you have been beaten, and should not make a dangerous play out of desperation just to say you did the only thing you could. I don't necessarily expect Lewis to be able to make that judgment in a split second, but I can't sit back and call it a "great play."
I hate it, but Lewis dropped his head and smacked Collie helmet to helmet. Refs have to throw the flag.
On TD at the end of the first half, why didn't the ravens all grab the Colts receivers? Holding, half the distance to the end zone... but 3-4 seconds come off the clock and there's only time for a FG.
no, he led with his helmet. seemed like a textbook call.
I thought Lewis led with his shoulder; however, Collie led with his helmet, making it look like Lewis led with his helmet.
Announcers completely miss the obvious there, even as the cameraman are doing everything to call their attention to it. The last play before the touchdown to end the half only took 2 seconds off the clock, causing Harbaugh to run around like mad. Perhaps this was an instance where the official clock differed from the stadium clock, but it looked bad.
they also thought manning took a delay as the refs came in with whistles 5 sec before the play clock expired, clearly indicating timeout. No one is accusing these jokers of knowing what they're doing....
but yeah, I was shocked at how little time came off, but not having DVR, I can't figure out if it was correct or not.
Thought this was completely glossed over as the critical few plays of the game, but here's what DVR said: Play ends with 0:09 on the clock. CBS broke to a brief replay, Clock read 0:11 when the feed returned to the game. I didn't hear an official's announcement to reset the game clock during the replay, and you could hear the live stadium sound behind the replay. The next play ran from 0:11 to 0:07, after which Harbaugh went ballistic, calling timeout to try to get the officials to explain "two seconds", eventually calling timeout. I'm guessing he was hoping for a replay on the game clock.
Someone else posted a comment to run clock on a defensive penalty; I would have sent 2 strings of defense onto the field until the game clock read 0:00. If the Colts wanted to go for it from the 1, so be it, but getting a free play for the TD was BS. Harbaugh was right to be steamed.
That looked like a fumble to me. Wish they'd give a definitive replay during the timeout instead of pimping NFL.com.
An an insanely stupid place to take a timeout. Good plan giving the colts a look at a reply before deciding on a challenge.
Helmet to Helmet hit. Refs missed that on the kickoff.
Helmet-to-helmet hits on "the runner" have never been a foul.
They only call it if you drop the helmet and lead with the crown of your helmet. If you have your eyes on the carrier and your helmets smack, the refs will usually let it go.
can't chop the head off, eh?
Will the ravens score 14 more points in one-and-a-half quarter than the Colts will score?
If Colts get ANY points on this drive, game over.
Best case this thing ends up 3 points making it 17 points.
It's time they play Painter and the Unusual Suspects.
Flacco's raw numbers look relatively decent, but I suspect his DVOA will be pretty ugly, and I think his actual play has been even worse. Lots of dumpoffs on third and long.
Could-be game changing pick and return and a game changing fumble by Garcon. Whaaat.
reminds me of a similar situation with dre bly earlier this season, minus the showboating, lack of speed, and lack of ball security. Truly incredible.
When it's not your night...
Dierdorf is busy adding insult to injury.
What's the record for penalties that have negated turnovers or huge plays in one season? I think the Ravens should have it locked up by now.
I think a lot of that math is invalid. For instance, in this game without the interference Ed Reed never has a chance at that interception. So the penalty didn't really negate the turnover IMO, it allowed it to happen in the first place. Certainly on some other plays this is not true, but I've seen several that fall in that category from the Ravens.
Ed Reed will feel robbed tonight.
T Moore very shaky with sheet.
Nervous or early warning sign of Pakrinson's?
Not making fun. Is seirous question. He is getting up in age
If Tom Moore had Parkinson's, it would be obvious by now. Parkinson's tends to show itself in a younger age bracket than where our Senior Offensive Coordinator currently resides. So hey, he's got that going for him, which is nice.
He could have some other kind of tremor though. Old folks get those for a variety of reasons.
okay, good to hear that it probably nto serious
Did you know that Matt Stover used to play for Baltimore?
Also, Jerome Bettis is from Detroit.
wow that made the "tear" Bowl so much more special.
The Colts were definitely better than Baltimore, but if I'm San Diego or New York, I'm not really scared based on today's play. The Colt D was solid, but IMO Manning was pretty meh (a number of missed or dumb throws). This level of overall effort could definitely be beaten by tomorrow's winner. Probably Indy raises the level of play, but if they don't...
I think Indy shuold only worry about NYJ's defense.
They can beat the Chargers defense.
On the other hand, Charger's offense can move the the ball against Indy's D.
Speaking as a Colts fan, I shall be rooting for the Jets tomorrow. Not that I think the Jets are a bad team, because they most certainly are not. They are a very good team, but what they are is a hell of a lot like the Ravens. The Chargers are an animal we have had trouble with in the past, and I'd just as soon avoid it when possible.
I agree Manning was pretty "meh" (though much of that is due to the ridiculously high expectations we have for his play); but if you're the Jets or the Chargers can you count on that two straight weeks? Maybe the Jets have the defense to force a similar performance from Manning, but certainly the Chargers don't.
If I'm the Jets or Chargers, I'm scared that the Colts won by 17 and all they needed was a "meh" performance from the league MVP. Imagine if he's on.
I don't think he was very meh. He had a handful of bad throws, but the Ravens defense was on. There were practically no open receivers the entire game, almost any time he hit a pass it was to someone well covered but managing to get it in the perfect place. The Ravens made some boneheaded mistakes but their defensive play was great (they shut down the run totally and still had guys well covered) so you have to set your expectations for the QB based on that.
Pain-TER! Pain-TER! Pain-TER!
Bring on lucky #7!
17-point deficit with eight minutes left...AND YOU PUNT?!?!
They're betting that their defense is more likely to make a big play than their offense.
Let's consider this: Instead of putting their QB up against an average-ish defense to get 8 yards, they're putting up their defense against the greatest quarterback of all time, because that gives them a better chance of a big play.
And the sad thing is that they're probably right.
I said the same thing at the time, and I was told "they have to punt; they don't want to give us the ball at the 20." Well, yeah, but they needed to score three times in 8 minutes -- beggars can't be choosers. Punting at that moment was a concession of defeat. Am I the only one who reads TMQ?
Hey Pats Fans hows your day going!! Notso Good? Here's some salt in that wound-- Look its David Tyree!!
They just don't understand their urgency.
They have 17 points to make.
When this is a TD, they still got to make a TD and a FG. In 5 minutes.
Oh and a pick that seales the game.
Man, Flacco looks like garbage.
Is this the same guy that played for the Ravens last year?
That's how he usually looks in the playoffs. 5 games, and not one of them you'd charitably call "good".
His last drive was littered with dumpoffs to receivers who had no possible way of getting out of bounds. There was a negative-one-yard completion to Ray Rice inbounds on that drive.
If your rushing 3 and leave 8 in coverage.... how the hell can you leave someone open for 12 yards?!
You've got everyone but one (HB) doubled..........................
I was shocked to see the over/under so low on Saints/Cards. After last week, did anyone really think that the Cards would hold the Saints below 40? I mean, when you only force the Packers to punt one time, in AZ, what is likely to happen when you travel to 'Nawlins, and play a team with a better offensive line and a qb who makes good decisions more quickly? Did somebody think that the Cards offense would start to run the ball, and go on 9 minute drives?
I guess it wasn't Casey Pendergast's fault.
the contrarian in me thought about under 57, but decided to not bother. as it was the total was only 59 (though offenses went bye-bye in Q4, which was kind of weird). I could absolutely have seen one or both of the teams go run-heavy in their offenses, and have drives that still score, but score in 6 minutes rather than 1:30. Or occasional field goals instead of touchdowns. Any time a line looks THAT obvious, my first instinct is always to head the other direction.
"I was shocked to see the over/under so low on Saints/Cards. After last week, did anyone really think that the Cards would hold the Saints below 40?"
Well, the over came in by only two points, so it really wasn't that bad a line.
That's the danger of betting an over in a game like this; if it turns into a blowout, the leading team tends to go into turtle mode, dampening scoring considerably.
To me, the key play in the game, in terms of keeping the number close to 57, was the first fumble, on the Cards 2nd possesion, after the completed pass. If the Cards go down and score then, then I think everyobe is off to the races again, and the number ends up being around 80. You are right, though, that it ended up being pretty darn close.
went 2-0 vs spred and 2-0 on over/duners yesterday
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