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04 Jan 2014
This thread is for discussing San Diego at Cincinnati and San Francisco at Green Bay.
Posted by: Aaron Schatz on 04 Jan 2014
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06 Jan 2014, 11:51am by
At what temperature does it become dangerous to play or attend a football game?
My parents were at the 1967 Ice Bowl game. It was really cold, but you can still deal with it. I remember playing football as a kid in temps this cold. It was actually fun as it was almost impossible to get hurt. But we were all bundled up like the kid in Christmas Story and played on the snow rather than turf, so that's probably not a fair comparison.
Ah, but if my scouting report is correct, you were one of that rare breed, the two-way player, so you never came off the field to sit there freezing.
This really should be 4 separate questions:
A. At what point does it become so cold that it becomes dangerous to play football?
B. At what point does it become so cold that it becomes dangerous to attend a football game?
C. At what point does it become so hot that it becomes dangerous to play football?
D. At what point does it become so hot that it becomes dangerous to attend a football game?
A. The NFL says it doesn't have a number. Even if you had weather conditions similar to the Ice Bowl, modern sideline amenities would prevent frostbite. The easy answer is that is unlikely to reach a temperature where cold related injuries would be a problem during a game.
At practice might be different.
B. Similar to above. If you haven't been drinking, if you are properly dressed and if you are not elderly, very young or have significant health issues, the risk of cold related injuries is significantly less. Dehydration is a problem when it's very cold.
C. Heat related injuries are a very serious concern in football. There are numerous heat related injuries every year. Once temperature clime into the mid 90's. It can become dangerous.
D. Again if you haven't been drinking, if you are properly dressed and if you are not elderly, very young or have significant health issues heat related injuries are lessened. Every year a lot more fans suffer heat related health problems than cold related.
Simms and Nantz? Why?!
Who else is more appropriate for a game refereed by Jeff Triplette?
Good point, I hadn't thought of it that way.
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Nice punt moron.
Defenders just cannot take a touchback after a turnover, can they?
How can the previous play be reviewed after a spike?
What trainwreck from an officiating standpoint.
Why is Triplett in the playoffs? I can see why the league would find it too embarassing to fire the guy, but why out a guy clearly in over his head in the god damn playoffs?
Agreed. Most fans who pay attention would agree, too, I suspect. A travesty. I thought they graded the crews and rewarded the best with playoff games. This is repulsive. Even if he is somehow good in the future, I have no confidence in anything he or his crew does.
Ugh. Disaster for Dalton.
well at least when Triplette gets em right he does it confidently. He was "listen, I know this one!" when explaining the Dalton fumble.
I just starting watching. Any bad calls I missed by Tripplett? (Sorry for the redundant question. I might well have asked if the sun is coming up tomorrow.)
Do you mean other than reviewing a play after a spike which means you can't have a play review?
Really? Wow. Did it have a. Big effect? I didn't see it.
No, he reviewed and the play was upheld. And then he pretended the spike had never happened, so the Bengals kicked a FG on first down. (It was the end of the first half.) I guess he's pretending that the officials took a timeout after running 11 seconds off the clock to make the review.
Some really special stuff.
Define "special." No, don't, I can easily imagine.
Good luck next week; just not too much.
The Blitzing is killing Dalton.
on cue: INT.
James Harrison resurrects his evil self, gets stupid penalty by ripping Woodhead's helmet off.
Bengals trying hard to lose this game. Dalton biggest culprit with bad decisions.
Chargers asking for trouble by not getting TDs when they have 1st and goal.
Dalton politely throws another pick to repay them, though.
Politely indeed. These are bad, bad picks too. Reminiscent of an early season Matt Schaub.
I've been paying very intermittent attention, is the San Diego secondary playing that well or is Dalton just not seeing the field well enough to find the open receivers? This seems uncharacteristically effective for San Diego.
I'd blame Dalton. He's hit some short passes, but he's also thrown INTs directly to the Charger defenders and missed badly on most deep balls in the second half.
Actually, it was the pass rush...he had split seconds to decide on taking the sack or getting rid of the ball...
Is Mike McCoy trying to bring Martyball back to San Diego? Very conservative play-calling with a less-than-comfortable lead.
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Time wasted on this: 24 minutes
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I had a shot at getting it to take after I incremented to 15 minutes wasted, then it rejected it again after I tried to add an incredulous comment. I think it's become self-aware and trying to coach me through writing a Joseph Heller novel. I like to imagine myself a patient person, but I'm beginning to have doubts.
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I would have been more timely in my appreciation of the powers that be, particularly with them working on one of the holiest of days. But I was so excited that it finally worked I just had to celebrate. So I scampered out to hire prostitutes and buy fireworks. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get fireworks.
Also, that Aaron saw an exterminator last week and got that ants issue cleared up.
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But so is Insancipitory...
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I'm registered and haven't been able to post for 2 days--is this try the charm?
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The spam blocker was de-activated for registered users. So that should have done the trick.
Well all I have left to say now is that this has been a really exciting weekend of football!
Perfect weekend for this Colts fan. Get to play NE!
At Gillette, in likely inclement weather. As a Pats fan I would have preferred to see the Bengals or Chiefs, I'm hoping for a blizzard now.
Was hoping for the Bengals. Based on today's game, I think my hope was valid.
Only saw it out the corner of my eye, but how was that not PI oby #31?
Going by the other games this weekend, it looks like it has to be really blatant before they call it. House was watching the ball for much of the play and technically he has as much right to the ball as Crabtree.
No PI is being called in GB today.
There were at least 10 uncalled illegal contacts, defensive holdings and dpis in the Packers-49ers game. The 49ers threw at least 3 passes into the endzone where there should have been a call.
I'm all for allowing more physical pass defense in the NFL, but it's not for the refs to decide on a per game basis.
It's this 'let em play' nonsense. The idea that the game shouldn't be ruined by too many flags, so it can be ruined by too many uncalled penalties. Welcome to the future, the idiots have won.
Yep, and it's utter nonsense, as though being able to hold WRs would effect each team in the same manner, so therefore it's fair. Completely stupid.
Well no, I'm not trying to say either team was hurt over the balance of the game (though I do have a view on that), more that they should enforce the damn rules and a lack of enforcement is as bad as overdoing the flags. There seems to be a general acceptance that a game will be ruined by to many flags but that it isn't ruined by to much holding. I think that's moronic.
Yeah I was trying to agree in my poorly worded comment.
I swear that if I was a State Farm customer, the next "Discount Daaaa-blecheck" ad I see, I'd be calling Allstate and changing my coverage. Those things are annoying as heck.
and the bad thing is that it's not even very clear that it's about changing your insurance company.
Hell no, it's of the school of advertising that says the ads should be memorable, funny, touching, etc. They're hellishly funny to me--the sausage pillow, Mike Ditka masseur? Great stuff. But it could be for any product: chewing gum, scissors, socks.... The "mayhem" ads for whatever other insurance company (my kids could tell you instantly) are also pretty funny, but at least related to insurance type stuff.
I love those ads but I have to offer the disclaimer that I only see them during the commercial breaks watching the NFL in the regular season, so my lower level of exposure might explain my tolerance of those particular ads.
You think the double-check commercials are funny? Are you sure you don't have a head injury Bobman?
Mayhem, on the other hand, is hilarious.
I will choke to death on my own blood before I will ever, ever give State Farm a solitary dime.
Maybe when Green Bay would simplify things on defense because of all the key pieces missing, they have a chance.
That was a great play by Rodgers to avoid the sack and complete 4th down conversion, but if that wasn't a hold, why even have the rule in the books?
That pass to Cobb never happens if Bakhtiari gets flagged for literally yanking a defender off Rodgers' back.
Does the NFL glue the flags to the official's belts when the Packers play?
Joe Buck (Packer ball sucker in chief) says, "how does Rodgers get away?" as the footage shows McDonald being held back with a choke hold from behind........no flag.
The Niners have been getting hosed by the refs all game long.
If I whined about holding as much as Niner fans do, I'd never see the game.
Come on! I don't know who's a Niners fan and who's not. But you don't have to be partisan to see that as the brutal non-call it was.
He's not a niner fan. It was an egregious, uncalled hold on a huge play.
Since Rodgers also got hit in the head by two different SF rushers on that play, let's just call it even.
It was obvious to me from the ten minute mark how the game would play out, expect I thought the two teams would trade TDs, not field goals. Maybe next year, GB can actually have some of the players they want on the roster.
Buck and Aikman were talking about how Barclay was the only GB offensive lineman to miss time this year, as if they had either of the starting tackles they expected to have. I guess if you suffer a big drop in quality before the season starts, it doesn't count.
Good god, the Green Bay lineman had the San Francisco lineman in a Rick Rude sleeper hold and held it for several seconds. If the ref wasn't going to throw the flag, he could at least have run over and held the SF guy's arm in the air and dropped it three times.
There's got to be a makeup call coming for that one.
Is it just me, or have there been a lot of under-thrown balls? (Or maybe only a few - but badly under-thrown.) An effect of the cold maybe?
dense air, cold muscles, less grip... I think it could the reason
The Packers and 49ers should play in the playoffs every year.
49ers didn't get the play off on that third-down scramble.
Eh, they almost always give an extra second before calling it.
wow. That defender almost had it.
Joe and Troy didn't even notice that the FG was almost blocked? Did it go right between his arms?
It didn't matter -- the guy was called for offsides, obviously declined.
With the possible exception of Panthers-49ers, I figure all the home teams should be big favorites next week. After years of chaos it would be nice if we didn't have any mediocre teams (looking at you, Colts and Chargers) make the championship games.
Patriots shouldn't be "big favorites" over anyone. I've been a fan of the team since 1976 and I still say they are the worst #2 seed in a long time.
The 2005 Bears and 2008 Panthers laugh at this assertion.
The Chargers and Colts finished as the 5th and 6th ranked teams in the AFC by DVOA, so it's not as if they beat out superior teams for their playoff spots.
Anyway, your wish would be granted if the 'good' teams just go out and win, right? You know, take care of business?
But if the Chargers go out and beat Denver a second time this season, I'm not going to say they don't belong in the championship game. All of the AFC playoff teams this year have flaws. KC was the only team that was above average DVOA in all three team categories.
Right. They only made it in because the AFC is so much weaker than the NFC. But whether or not they deserved to make it to the playoffs, they don't belong in the AFC Championship game. Of course, anything can happen on a given Sunday so we won't always have the best teams left at the end, but at this point the trend of weak teams making playoff runs is getting old.
Yeah, God forbid the Packers get to the SB in 2010, or the Steelers in 2005, the Giants in 07, or the Ravens in 2012. Man, those teams sucked so much they'd surely get slaughtered in the SB. Glad we didn't have to suffer through any of those embarrassments. Would have been a travesty because, clearly, they wouldn't belong.
Watching the games in the cold, a question occurred to me. The ball is inflated to a certain pressure, I would imagine, specified by the rules. Is it inflated to that pressure at room temperature, or in the elements the game is played in? If it's inflated at room temperature, I would expect weather like this to result in a significantly under-inflated ball, as the air inside it cooled down. But this would run contrary to what I've heard about the ball being "harder" in cold weather (which is presumably because the leather get's stiffer at lower temps).
Well, we know from King's ref series that they test the ball pressure in the ref's bathroom (seriously) and inflate/deflate them there if they are off-spec.
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Packers should have gone for it on 4th and goal. Failure to convert wouldn't have been all that bad. Either a failed 4th down or the FG would have required a defensive stop. That is easier if the 49ers are buried at the 1. Make the 4th down and the reward is a 4pt lead.
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