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11 Nov 2010

Week 10 Open Discussion Thread

Talk about the Week 10 games here, starting with the Ravens-Falcons tilt on Thursday!

Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 11 Nov 2010

155 replies , Last at 16 Nov 2010, 2:59pm by bengal85

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by Jimmy :: Thu, 11/11/2010 - 8:50pm

Anyone else looking forward to some poorly spelled racial epithets?

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by Karl Cuba :: Fri, 11/12/2010 - 1:44pm

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by Rocco :: Thu, 11/11/2010 - 9:31pm

A booth with Theismann and Millen? Shoot me now.

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by JIPanick :: Thu, 11/11/2010 - 9:34pm

Or shoot Theismann and Millen?

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by Rocco :: Thu, 11/11/2010 - 9:46pm

I have a feeling they wouldn't die. They're demons sent to torture football fans.

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by JIPanick :: Thu, 11/11/2010 - 9:47pm

They don't need to die. They just need to stop talking.

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by Marko :: Fri, 11/12/2010 - 12:47am

I only saw the last half of the fourth quarter, but I heard far too many idiotic comments from the two stooges (Millen and Theismann) to keep track of. Their lack of knowledge of the rules would be astounding unless you considered the source, in which case it was entirely expected.

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by Spielman :: Thu, 11/11/2010 - 10:33pm

Is it me, or does Michael Turner look sluggish tonight?

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by andrew :: Thu, 11/11/2010 - 10:48pm

Yes, Matt Millen, tell us what qualities Bill Parcells has that makes him a good GM....

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by Willsy :: Thu, 11/11/2010 - 11:27pm

Team,

As much as I love my American brothers and the great game of NFL football the commentary tonight is making me consider changing sports!

This is the worst commentary I can remember for some time.

It beggars belief that Millen was the GM of an NFL franchise when you listen to his drivel. Even Raiderjoe must be sick of him.

Cheers from Sydney where it is a sunny 25.3C right now.

Willsy

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by RickD :: Fri, 11/12/2010 - 12:30am

If Americans could do Celsius, they (we) might be jealous. :)

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by Gridiron Grammarian (not verified) :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 2:12am

Here's a handy trick... multiply the Celsius figure by 2, and add 28. It's not perfect, but it'll get you in the ballpark.

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by Whatev :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 5:17am

Or, you could multiply by 1.8 and add 32.

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by Willsy :: Thu, 11/11/2010 - 11:29pm

Re: Michael Turner.

He doesn't have his usual "pop" off a tackle now that I have watched for a while so yes he must be carrying something.

Willsy

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by andrew :: Fri, 11/12/2010 - 12:22am

Yeah I wasn't certain he kept th ball long enough, though it does look like he took 1, maybe two steps before it was knocked out. I don't think they can overturn it but based on earlier games nothing is certain (e.g., Calvin Johnson, Visanthe Shiancoe...)

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by Spielman :: Fri, 11/12/2010 - 12:26am

The Falcons defense should be embarrassed.

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by andrew :: Fri, 11/12/2010 - 12:27am

The falcons are blocking Haloti Ngata with three offensive linemen now.

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by RickD :: Fri, 11/12/2010 - 12:28am

Repeat after me, Joe Theismann, Ha-LO-ti NA-ta, Ha-LO-ti NA-ta.

We don't know who Ha-LA-ti NO-ta is.

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by RickD :: Fri, 11/12/2010 - 12:32am

Early in the game, NFL Network told use that Roddy White was the only leading receiver in the NFL (40+ catches) who didn't have a drop all season.

Sure enough, he now has two 4th quarter drops.

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by RickD :: Fri, 11/12/2010 - 12:34am

But he does catch the go-ahead TD with 20 seconds left...

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by RickD :: Fri, 11/12/2010 - 12:36am

Falcons just went 80 yards in 45 seconds with the game on the line.

Remember when the Ravens had a shut-down defense?

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by andrew :: Fri, 11/12/2010 - 12:43am

sigh, is it too much to expect Theisman to know the rules of when clock run-offs occur?

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by MJK :: Fri, 11/12/2010 - 2:19am

I don't have a horse in this race, but did it seem to anyone else that Roddy White pushed off on his two big catches in the final drive and got away with uncalled OPI that was at least as flagrant as the DPI the Ravens committed (and got called for)?

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Fri, 11/12/2010 - 3:50am

Yep, the Falcons got lucky. However, they still moved the ball 80 yards in 45 seconds, but they got a lot of help.

Also has the Ravens been this bad on 3rd down all the time?

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by jw124164 :: Fri, 11/12/2010 - 9:32am

I don't think what White did was any different than the "incidental contact" that DB's get away with all the time. It looked to me like he was just running his route, and was trying not to let the DB push him around. It certainly didn't look deliberate, at any rate. As opposed to Gonzales getting tackled - that was very obvious interference.

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by Androoo (not verified) :: Fri, 11/12/2010 - 9:48am

From the ESPN recap:
White knew he got away with one. "Yeah, you've got to do whatever you've got to do to win," he said. "It was one-on-one coverage with one guy. But he was kind of flat-footed, and he tried to grab me, so I just pushed him down."

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by dcaslin :: Fri, 11/12/2010 - 11:33am

Actually I think the Ravens have been unnaturally good on third down (offense and defense) all season up to this point. Color commentators kept explaining how this was the mark of a great team. Last night they regressed to (below) the mean, and now all the local papers are aghast about how 3rd down struggles are killing the Ravens.

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by RickD :: Fri, 11/12/2010 - 2:55pm

On the TD catch, White's uncalled OPI was obvious.

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by Eddo :: Fri, 11/12/2010 - 4:43pm

I don't disagree; on replay, it was definitely obvious.

However, I can see how a side judge might have missed it. It was subtle enough (and the initial contact was usual enough) to where a ref might not have picked up on it in realtime. I don't know if it was a savvy move by White, or if he just got lucky.

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by BJR :: Fri, 11/12/2010 - 10:43am

The Falcons really are in a strong position in their division and conference now. A game ahead of the Saints having already won in New Orleans. And they still have two virtual gimmes against the woeful Panthers on their schedule. They play Green Bay in two weeks time which could be pivotal in determining playoff seeding. Looking at their recent home record, and with a great chance of getting homefield playoff advantage, Atlanta are a live Superbowl candidate.

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by RickD :: Fri, 11/12/2010 - 2:58pm

The Falcons are a great home team, but somehow I still don't see them making the Super Bowl. Even though they won at New Orleans, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Saints return the favor. Also, the Giants look like they have a lot more offensive weapons than the Falcons.

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sat, 11/13/2010 - 10:26am

More offensive weapons? Big play abillity perhaps, but they have the exact same DVOA, trailing only Philly in the conference. Non-elite efficient quaterbacks, good running games. If anything the Falcons are better at reciever - White is just a monster.

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by John (not verified) :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 9:02am

Poll for the interregnum: Would you rather...

A) See more of the new brunette in the ads with her eye-popping assets
B) Hear more about Prilosec OTC

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by B :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:08pm
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Heisman winning QB's facing each other.
by classic3283 :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 1:29pm

Sam Bradford of the Rams (2008 Heisman Trophy winner) and Troy Smith of the 49ers (2006 Heisman Trophy winner) will face off against each other, and it will be the first time since 2004 that two former Heisman Trophy winning QB’s start against each other in an NFL game. Check the link below for a complete list of such games.

https://sportsdelve.wordpress.com/2010/11/14/heismanqbnflmatchups/

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by B :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:03pm

Bears O-Line meets Vikings D-Line. Resistible force Vs Movable object.

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by Paul R :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:07pm

CBS Meaningless Statistics: Indianapolis has 7 straight home wins in November.

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:15pm

Pennington goes to the lockerroom. Injured on first play. Tragic.

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:20pm

The injury may have happened on the Dolphins' first offensive play, but he didn't leave the field until after the second play, in which he completed a quick throw. In any case, I think it's closer to self-parody than it is to tragic. I mean, a Pennington injury is pretty predictable ... but that quickly?

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:25pm

He's just setting things up so he guarantees the Comeback Player of the Year.

- Benched? Check.
- People assuming you're done? Check.
- Injured? Check.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:24pm

Okay, Sheldon Brown lowers his shoulder to tackle Braylon Edwards. Edwards responds by leading with his helmet, causing a helmet-to-helmet hit. I would expect to see a fine/punishment notice arrivng at Mr. Edwards door this week.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:29pm

Cutler is picked off when Knox can't make a catch and tips it right to the safety.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:29pm

Carson Palmer hit Kelvin Hayden perfectly for an Indy TD.

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by jedmarshall :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:38pm

Bengals football is fun (for a Colts fans). First quarter is not even over yet and
1. Palmer missed an open receiver by a TON on 3rd down.
2. Palmer threw to a wide open Kelvin Hayden for a Pick-Six.
3. Benson fumbled the handoff on the next posession.
4. Lewis made a completely retarded challenge that had no chance of winning.

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:30pm

It took exactly three minutes of game time for Miami and Tennessee to use four of their combined six available timeouts for the first half. Amazing.

Also, for any other fellow Montanans, this game "features" U of M alum Dan Carpenter kicking off to fellow Griz alum Marc Mariani. With Ken Amato (MSU) as the Titans' long snapper, nearly every special teams play will feature someone who played college ball under the big sky. Miami also has Montana alumni Lex Hilliard and Cory Proctor active.

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by B :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:33pm

Miami attempts a fake punt on their own 28 yard line. It doesn't work.

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:58pm

Henne completes a 54-yard pass to Brian Hartline on a flea-flicker, but if Henne had hit Hartline in stride, it almost certainly would have been a TD. Hartline was a good 5 yards behind everybody, but he had to slow up because the ball was significantly underthrown.

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 3:11pm

Kerry Collins just threw what may turn out to be the ugliest attempt of the year. The intended receiver was about 15 yards downfield, and the ball arched high over him ... moving about about 5 mph. It truly looked like a duck fluttering over the players -- the "spiral" was so loose that the ends of the ball could be mistaken for flapping wings. The amazing thing is that Collins produced this masterpiece without the aid of contact from anyone. He can claim sole credit.

A couple plays later, a Randy Moss drop that may have been a fumble was ruled incomplete, and Jeff Fischer eagerly challenged the incompletion ruling. Once the refs explained that doing so would be counter-productive for the Titans, the challenge flag was picked up. (More likely, the refs explained that the play was already ruled incomplete.)

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 3:29pm

Amazingly, Collins follows that up with a repeat performance, though the second duck wasn't quite as badly overthrown as the first. The commentators mentioned that Collins has a torn tendon in the middle finger of his throwing hand that's probably affecting him, but if it's causing him that much trouble, shouldn't they take him out? It's a minor miracle that neither of those throws were picked; they both looked very much like a pass that had been tipped at the line ... only neither was.

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by B :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 3:42pm

Jax is up 17-3? What is going on in that game?

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 3:45pm

I think you inspired the Texans.

Not watching that game, so I can't provide any insight as to what has been going on.

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 3:57pm

Apparently wanting to prove that he's got a better arm than any of the quarterbacks in this game, Brandon Marshall hurls the ball at the sideline after making a catch. He earns his team a 5-yard penalty for his effort.

With Kerry Collins apparently ailing and Vince Young injured, I want to see a mid-game trade: Randy Moss for Brandon Marshall. Marshall can try to be the kind of quarterback he'd like to have, and Moss can set some sort of NFL record for mid-season uniform changes. If only the league office were open on weekends...

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 4:30pm

Vindication: Marshall attempts a pass!

Henne went out with some sort of lower-body injury. Rather than bring in third-QB Tyler Thigpen, the Dolphins instead bring back their wildcat package (minus any QBs). On the first QB-free play, they run a reverse for Marshall, who tries a very deep throw to Patrick Cobbs. Unfortunately (and somewhat surprisingly), Cobbs was quite well covered, and the pass was defensed -- and perhaps should have been intercepted. Undeterred, the Dolhpins continue in their Wildcat package, with Ricky Williams gaining 14 on 3rd and 10, then Ronnie Brown ripping off 23 on the following play. The Dolphins do bring in Thigpen once the fourth quarter starts (probably because they now have the option of bringing Henne or Pennington back if either is capable), though they continue running some more Wildcat.

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by B :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 4:47pm

Pennington, Henne, Marshall, possibly Thigpen, Collins and Young have all attempted a pass in the same game. I wonder if that's a record.

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by ChaosOnion :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 4:50pm

Thigpen to Fasano for a TD. Thigpen is stoked!

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by B :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 4:27pm

So if the Bills beat the Lions, does that mean the Lions are protecting their "perfect" season?

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by Paul R :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 4:59pm

Yikes! Bad call on possession of the onside kick and it's not reviewable.

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by Paul R :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 5:01pm

Karma causes Bengals fumble on next play.

I wish karma worked like that all the time.

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Thank you, FOX
by ChaosOnion :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 5:13pm

Just got to watch MIN @ CHI. It was like watching Brett Farve run two different mediocre offenses the entire game. CBS was nice enough to have TEN @ MIA. A game with 6 different players taking the snap and 6 different players with pass attempts is...interesting. Now, we get to watch America's Game of the Week, NYG vs DAL. I like watching DAL take it in the chin as much as the next guy, but a competitive game with good football would be nice.

Oh, look at that. NYJ in OT two weeks in a row.

//end rant (sorry)

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by Ben :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 5:39pm

Interesting situation in Cleveland. The Browns get the ball on their own 3 yard line with 1:30 left in OT. Should they play for the tie?

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by buzzorhowl (not verified) :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 5:47pm

Why'd they get the ball on their own 3 when supposedly they intercepted Sanchez on the Jets 46? What is the stat sheet not telling me?

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 5:50pm

According to NFL.com, the Jets had the ball on their own 46 when Sanchez threw the interception. But the interception was at the Browns' 3.

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by buzzorhowl (not verified) :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 5:58pm

That makes sense. I wish Yahoo had made it that clear. Thanks.

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by tylerdolphin :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 5:46pm

I swear the Jets are the luckiest team in history.

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by thedon1969 (not verified) :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 6:12pm

Um, they had the ball for 47 minutes and outgained the Browns by something like 150 yards. And they missed 3 FGs. How exactly was that a "lucky" win?

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by Whatev :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 6:31pm

They were lucky to be playing the Browns?

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 6:18pm

Maybe so, but definitely not this week. Speaking of this week's luckiest team, Bill Simmons was eerily prescient when writing about their matchup this week*:

"The Law of Gus Johnson is sweeping the nation: He's called four straight weeks of games that were genuinely exciting (Jets-Lions, Bills-Chiefs, Bengals-Falcons, Chiefs-Texans) and this battle between two David Lee teams (all offense, no defense) looks like No. 5.

"I keep mentioning the Law of Gus without ever really defining it, so let's do it right now. If Gus Johnson is calling an NFL game, the odds quintuple that (A) the lead will change hands in the fourth quarter; (B) someone will complete a long pass in a big moment that will make Gus' voice hit an octave only dogs can hear; and (C) the game will go into overtime or at least come damned close. It seems impossible that the mere presence of an announcer would alter the course of the game, but here's my theory: I think God sits in his Man Cave on Sundays and says, 'Which game is that Gus Johnson calling? I get a kick out of that guy. I think I'll make his game exciting and see if he completely loses his mind.'"

This week it was (D) -- all of the above -- and a rare moment where the play on the field was just as exciting as Gus Johnson believed it to be.

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*Simmons was spot-on with his two-paragraph blurb, but he actually missed the pick...

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 6:19pm

The luckiest team, of course, was the Jaguars.

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by tornadot :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 6:06pm

Very good way to start the game Denver.

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by Levente from Hungary :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 6:23pm

This was really funny. I am watching DAL-NYG and KC-DEN with Gamepass on a split screen. NYG ang KC both have to goal situation and both surrender a TD from it (int and fumble, respectively) within a few seconds apart.

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by BJR :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 6:25pm

Danny Amendola: "Wes Welker lite", "heart of a champion", "faster than you think", etc, etc, etc...

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by JIPanick :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 6:54pm

Turns out the Cowboys are semi-competent when they unquit. Also, Denver is blowing KC away.

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by JIPanick :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 7:02pm

Stadium lights go off in New York, for some reason.

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by Paul R :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 7:48pm

Daniel Ocean wanted for questioning.

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by DEW (not verified) :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 7:04pm

Anybody know what happened to Hasselbeck in the SEA/ARI game? One minute he's on pace to threaten the single-game passing yardage record, and the next Charlie Whitehurst is throwing picks.

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by EricL (not verified) :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 11:00pm

Cracked bone in his non-throwing wrist. They're thinking the injury's manageable, and he may not miss any time.

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by ChaosOnion :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 7:05pm

And the lights just went out at New Giants Stadium. I mean literally, the main stadium lighting went out with some secondary lighting still illuminating the field. It looks like twilight on the field.

But Felix Jones pays it no mind.

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by MurphyZero :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 7:36pm

So is Kitna going to be the #1 QB in Quick Reads this week?

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by JIPanick :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 5:44pm

My hypothetical five bucks says he dropped below Orton and Brady on that late pick.

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by zzyzx :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 7:37pm

The Seahawks offense vs the Cards defense is like watching the resistible force vs the moveable object...

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by zzyzx :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 7:39pm

Lots of booing now in Arizona...

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by DEW (not verified) :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 7:51pm

I predict that if the Giants lose, there'll be a mention of that punt decision instead of going for it on 4th-and-1 on the DAL 49 down two scores in TMQ...

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by zzyzx :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 8:03pm

The Seahawks couldn't convert a first and goal from the 1 (although two of the plays were questionable but the Hawks were out of challenges) and now their lead is only 11 instead of the 16 it would be after the Cards TD. (16 because they wouldn't have gone for 2...)

If we blow this, it'll be one more wonderful experience of being a Seattle sports fan...

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by zzyzx :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 8:07pm

The Cards then onsides kick and recover but Feely (kicker) touches the ball with his knee 9 yards in. There's a clear angle showing it but AZ challenges. Throwing away a time out down 11... Good move.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 8:15pm

The officials in KC@Den are attempting to make Todd Haley's head explode.

The Chiefs attempt an onside kick and before it goes 10 yards it hits Wesley Woodyard. Chiefs then pounce on him, but Woodyard comes out of the pile with the ball after a very long time separating out the pile. The referee announces that there is no penalty for illegal procedure and it's Kansas City's ball. The officials all start discussing again and then the referee announces a correction that there is a penalty for illegal formation for not having four men on each side of the kicker. Haley runs to the referee brandishing photos and screaming. The officials look at the photos and then the referee announces that there were only three men outside the hash marks on one side. Five yard penalty and they rekick. This time Denver recovers.

I thought the replay showed the penalty was correct, but I wouldn't exactly stake my life on it.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 4:24am

I was at that game, in the stands behind the kicker. I watched the 4th guy toe the line pretty closely, but I wouldn't have called it a penalty.

The reffing seemed pretty horrendous that game, and most of the bad calls went against Denver!

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by zzyzx :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 8:17pm

5 minutes left in the game, the Seahawks decide it's a time to pass the ball and after missing a short field goal, the Cards have the ball back with tons of time.

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by zzyzx :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 8:19pm

Of course the Cards go 4 and out and now the Hawks have the ball at the AZ 10 so no harm, no foul...

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by Karl Cuba :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 8:57pm

Troy Smith is our future.

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by BJR :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 9:08pm

Just a brutal PI call on the Rams in overtime. Troy Smith was about to be sacked on a 3rd & 2 and just heaved the ball downfield, 5 yards behind Delanie Walker who had absolutely no chance of catching the ball, but stopped and bumped into Atogwe who was trailing him.

There were a variety of reasons the Rams lost this game, the main one being the stupid conservative playcalling in the 4th quarter. But that was an awful call that sealed their fate.

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by spenczar :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 9:32pm

Yeah, even as a 9er fan that one was a head scratcher. I'll take it though.

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by JonFrum (not verified) :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 11:33pm

I hate those calls. There was another one today. The receiver knows the ball is coming, turns, sees that it's short, so he stops in mid-stride. The DB has no chance to stop, and had no reason to turn to the ball, so the two players collide. The receiver initiated the contact by stopping, but the DB is called for the penalty. It makes no sense.

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by Karl Cuba :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 12:06am

I didn't think it was that bad a call. I reckon Walker had a shot to make a play on the ball and was trying to make his way back to it. The TV angles weren't great so it was hard to tell whether or not it was catchable or not. The safety definitely prevented him from having any chance whatsoever. I'd say borderline rather than brutal, but then I am a 49er fan.

What I do like about Troy Smith is that he gives his receivers a chance to make a play, much more so than the other Smith. Troy's quarterback rating is 116 after two starts and he actually tries to get the ball down the field, which is a pleasant change.

Overall I thought the 49ers were the better team, slightly. I'm very, very jealous of Bradford, he's going to be amazing. Long is a stud as well, him and Seymour are probably the two best 3-4 ends in the league, a pity neither plays in a 3-4. Long looks more and more like his dad and might be the best defensive lineman in the NFC West, he's deserving of a pro-bowl nomination.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 9:56pm

Omar has his squad really fired up and ready to play tonight!!!! Between the lackadaisical attitude and the terrible Tardrians playcalls and soft Lebeau scheme they're going to get wiped off the field tonight.

"but but he's a winning coach, don't dare question him"

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 10:25pm

what a disgraceful showing. run out of your own house.

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by B :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 10:08pm

How many times are they going to release Avatar? It's already been in the movies twice, and I think this is the third blu-ray release. I think James Cameron is trying to challenge George Lucas for most times selling the same movie.

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by BJR :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 10:14pm

Wasn't that a helmet to helmet by Chung on Wallace?

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by Rocco :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 10:20pm

Wallace got up, so the refs don't feel the need to throw a flag.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 10:23pm

the hit was almost exactly like the hit where Harrison killed Massoquai, the contact initiated shoulder to top shoulder/neck/head, with reverb helmet on helmet

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 10:40pm

2 straight looks for A.R.E. in that situation ?

fire Tardrians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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Jason Garrett's debut one for the record books.
by classic3283 :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 10:42pm

Jason Garrett is one out of seven interim head coaches since 1950, to pick up a victory on the road in their interim debut. The Cowboys victory by 13 points was also the greatest margin of victory by a debuting interim head coach on the road. Check the list below to see how all interim head coaches since 1950 fared in their first game as an interim.

http://sportsdelve.wordpress.com/2010/11/14/jasongarrett-debut/

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Re: Jason Garrett's debut one for the record books.
by B :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 10:47pm

I guess Wade really was the problem with the Cowboys.

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Re: Jason Garrett's debut one for the record books.
by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 4:26am

Yep. All their problems are solved now!

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Re: Jason Garrett's debut one for the record books.
by Whatev :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 5:20am

Expect to see Romo back next week after Garrett lays on hands.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by rengewnad (not verified) :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 10:48pm

anyone hear any more details about the handshake snub by Haley after the KC/Den game? something obviously said and then a cold shoulder

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by JonFrum (not verified) :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 11:30pm

Please - no more handshake snub talk. It's right up there with "Did you hear what Ashley said to Lauren about Brittney?"

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by young curmudgeon :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 11:36pm

But wait...what DID Ashley say to Lauren about Brittney? You can't just ask about it and not tell us!

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by B :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 11:39pm

Ashley said "Did you hear what Britney said about you, Lauren?"

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by BJR :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 11:49pm

Whatever

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 11:49pm

Tardlin LMAO, clueless.

Wastes 5 seconds with late timeout call on last drive before halftime

Settles for weaksauce and useless FG attempt after finally getting back to the RZ, and then miss the FG. LMAO.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 11:58pm

Steelers, despite having an easy schedule going forward, will implode and miss the playoffs following this humiliating house-emptying asswhooping.

But they have Buff and Carolina ahead, so Tomlin "the great" will post a .500 season instead of getting canned.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 12:42am

I'll take that bet. I'll even go as far as to suggest that they'll get a bye.

Your act is getting really tired.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Karl Cuba :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 12:48am

What I don't understand is where the Omar thing comes from.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by RedZone :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 12:50am

I think some people think that Mike Tomlin looks like Omar Epps.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Karl Cuba :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 12:56am

I googled it and found that out, he does look a lot like him, bulging eyes. I was on my way back here to remove my comment but that's no longer an option.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 4:27am

I don't understand why people reply to his posts. I keep hoping if everybody ignores him, he'll go away.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 9:29am

Seconded.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 12:51am

This 4th quarter Patriots' defense is maddening. After holding the Steelers to 3 points over 3 quarters, they've gone into an ultra-soft mode, and have let the Steelers score 23 points in a series of 2-minute, 80-yard drives.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by JonFrum (not verified) :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 1:01am

Yeah - I say the same thing. Then they get the win. Maybe BB isn't playing fantasy.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 2:06am

I have to wonder if BB thinks that he can get away with that kind of defense against the Colts. (I don't.)

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by nat :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 9:43am

This points again to why the DVOA for late action is somewhat broken. No one in his right mind thinks that the Patriots were optimizing for "net expected value of the next score" without regard to game clock. Nor does any reasonable person think that's what the Steelers should have been optimizing for. But the DVOA success point formula assumes that's what both teams should be trying to do.

It's maddening to watch the Pats defense go all soft. They're pretty bad at "prevent" coverage. But up by 19 with 8:32 left, it's not an unreasonable strategy. Up by 18 with 4:23 left, it's the only strategy.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Whatev :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 4:33pm

I've seen a ton of games blown because of prevent defense and never seen any that were clearly won because a prevent was used. If you're running a hurry-up and can get to the sidelines, you can run an awfully large number of plays in 4:23. What's stopping them from scoring 18 points in that time is not your stupid prevent defense, it's the fact that they have to give up possession after a score unless they can recover an onside kick. You'd eat up way more of their time if you actually forced them to give up the ball.

Moreover, your defense held up for 56 minutes and gave up some number of points, why would it suddenly collapse and give up 18 points now? What you've been doing for 90% of the game has been working, which is why you should keep doing it. Time pressure should be a disadvantage for the offense. Switching to prevent turns it into an advantage because now the quarterback no longer has to worry about getting sacked or hurried.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by JIPanick :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 5:42pm

Vikings were in base instead of prevent vs. the Hail Mary. However, in general, I agree with your point.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Eddo :: Tue, 11/16/2010 - 10:50am

"I've seen a ton of games blown because of prevent defense and never seen any that were clearly won because a prevent was used."

I think the prevent is overused, but it sure has won some games. I present to you this Sunday's Bears-Vikings game. Up two touchdowns with six-ish minutes left, the Bears went to a prevent. The Vikings took up yardage in chunks, but took almost four minutes in doing so. By that time, they had to start taking shots downfield, and Favre threw an interception over the deep middle.

Of course, the prevent didn't "win" the Bears the game; the fact that they had outplayed the Vikings up until that point did. But the prevent ensured the Vikings didn't have the opportunity to score quickly, which was the only thing that could have lost the game for the Bears.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by JonFrum (not verified) :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 1:03am

Yesterday on Boston sports radio, Boston Globe sports troll Dan Shaughnessy says "That 6-1 record was a house of cards - the Browns proved it last week." Yeah, Dan, that's why you get the big money.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 2:05am

Shaughnessy makes a living out of trashing the Boston teams. He's a terrible analyst and never has insight deeper than "Hey, the Pats are winning!"
It's a shame that he's got such a prominent place in what used to be the best sports section in the country.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 3:12am

Sounds likes Jay Marrioti.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Lyford (not verified) :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 1:54pm

I'm sure that there's one in every town. W.S. Gilbert had their number over a century ago when he wrote of "the idiot who praises in enthusiastic tone, all centuries but this and every country but his own..."

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Q (not verified) :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 2:17am

If any Steeler fan wants to trade Tomlin for McCarthy, let us know and we'll gladly make the switch.

Pitt is pretty good but they have been overated nationally. Their last few games they to lost a Saints team that has struggled much of the year, beat Miami due to a bad call, barely beat a bad Cincy team, and now lost by doble digits at home.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 5:33pm

they're not that good.
but still, even when we steelers fans don't think they're good, they will win a super bowl here and there.
I don't like Tomlin, but who am I... Arians as the offensive coordinator is a bigger problem.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 5:30pm

There was this receiver who thanked the lord for his touchdown.
Then the touchdown was reversed, holding on the offense.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 9:49pm

The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by BucNasty :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 10:29pm

Good God. Eagles possibly up 35-0 (last TD under review) at the start of the 2nd quarter. How soon is too soon to bring out the backups?

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Cloqwerq :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 10:30pm

Strong name to MNF game content relation. This is BucNasty!

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Cloqwerq :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 10:31pm

Strong name to MNF game content relation. This is BucNasty!

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Mr. Show (not verified) :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 10:32pm

Mike Vick's DVOA is going to break the system, killing the bell curve like so many Asian children.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by ChrisZ (not verified) :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 10:33pm

Well he did have that one run where he didn't get a first down!

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by yoyodyne :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 10:34pm

I'm getting Vick a cute pit bull puppy for Christmas, due solely to his awesomeness.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 10:35pm

Good to see the Redskins are getting into the spirit of things.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Gang Green (not verified) :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 10:49pm

Is anyone playing defense on either team? What is this? It almost looks fake like a football movie or something.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by BucNasty :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 10:49pm

Washington scores 14 unanswered. Are they back in this? I think not, but my Michael Vick-led fantasy team approves.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Gang Green (not verified) :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 11:01pm

Give Mcnabb the bench!!!! That would be great! HAHA

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Semigruntled Eagles fan (not verified) :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 11:24pm

Anybody else remember that ridiculous Eagles-Lions Wild Card game from the mid-90's - the Eagles led by 38-7 at halftime, and it wound up 58-37? This game reminds me of that one, on amphetamines.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 11:55pm

I don't understand how you could be anything less than fully gruntled right now, Mr. Eagles fan. (Yes, I know you post regularly under this name...)

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Semigruntled Eagles fan (not verified) :: Tue, 11/16/2010 - 12:27am

Because despite leading by 38, Reid still has Desean Jackson returning punts? That seems like an unnecessary risk at this point. Also, the defense got sloppy and gave up a few big plays? [/grasping at straws]

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Semigruntled Eagles fan (not verified) :: Tue, 11/16/2010 - 12:34am

Can't complain about fumble luck, though.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Gang Green (not verified) :: Tue, 11/16/2010 - 12:29am

The Eagles will be looking to sign Vick for big bucks now. Kolb was a complete waste of a draft pick.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Mr. Show (not verified) :: Tue, 11/16/2010 - 1:20am

If he's a useful backup then he's not a complete waste of a draft pick and I think they can return at least some value in a trade, if not recover the 2nd rounder they used on him.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Jonadan :: Tue, 11/16/2010 - 10:27am

I'm pretty sure that when they drafted Kolb they weren't expecting to be putting Vick on the roster.

I'm pretty sure that even once Vick was on the roster, they weren't really expecting Vick to turn into a top-ten QB.

And I'm pretty sure that even now Kolb's looked like an average to above-average NFL starting QB, which means they can either keep him and have the best QB situation in the league, or trade him for mega-millions to somebody else.

Hardly a waste of a draft pick, especially a second-rounder.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Gang Green (not verified) :: Tue, 11/16/2010 - 12:33am

Are D backs and linebackers just not going to tackle anyone anymore for fear of fines? Is this game a sign of things to come in the NFL? No one seems to be giving any effort to tackle anyone.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by bengal85 :: Tue, 11/16/2010 - 5:37am

Vick.

I'd like if everyone who writes for this website will kindly insert foot into mouth right now.
I would'nt begrudge you hot sauce, or some other condiment, if it makes it easier.

Talking to you, Barnwell.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Jimmy :: Tue, 11/16/2010 - 10:21am

Are you honestly claiming to have seen this kind of performance coming?

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by bengal85 :: Tue, 11/16/2010 - 2:48pm

Um.... yes. In fact, I'm sure it's somewhere on this site, but I don't feel like trolling around for it. Back when the Eagles played the Packers and Vick was great, followed by his decimating of the Lions, there was an article on here about how it was all smoke and mirrors, it was a result of playing an unprepared team, then a poor team.
Basically, our man BB broke down the metrics and explained that despite the score and all other evidence to the contrary, Vick wasn't playing considerably better than his Atlanta days, and in fact should've thrown some picks that were dropped... blah blah blah.
Statistics are nice, but I think this website does a great job of showing that any statistic can be bent to support almost any bias.
Like I said back then, this Philly team is loaded with speed at every position, and an offensive coaching staff that might very well be the best in the league for quarterback coaching, if not for offense period.
If this team stays healthy enough at the skill positions (no small thing, given Vick's exposure, and the general frailty of speed receivers), NO ONE is outscoring this team.

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by bengal85 :: Tue, 11/16/2010 - 2:59pm

In fact,
here's the page
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2010/week-3-quick-reads

and here's the comment (# 83)

"...I understand the value of charting a QB's relative performance, and I completely understand the value of looking at Vicks production through this prism of DYAR, but I have to say that I think to predict a regression to 2007 Vick production based on these paradigms is a mistake, for 2 reasons.

1. While you all are rightfully pointing out the woeful caliber of the pass defenses Vick has faced, you are not giving any credence to the fact that before week 2, Vick was taking 2nd team snaps, not preparing as a full time starter. Thus, it is reasonable to assume that his performance SHOULD improve as the season goes on and he and the offense gel better.

2. Using ATL Vick as a baseline to compare to is simply a faulty premise, because the situation in Philly is simply way, way better for a QB. Other than the guy being named the same and wearing the same jersey, nothing about the two situations is the same.
-He is changed in his preparation and practice methods/attitude, by all accounts. While I'm sure this will get snickers, I don't think it should, as this was a major factor in his mechanical inaccuracy in the past.
-Related to this 1st point, the coaching staff/ playcalling / protection schemes are going to be better. People forget Vick had basically a new coordinator every year since Dan Reeves was fired. NO QB is going to put good metrics in that setting.
-The Skill positions around him are better than all his years in ATL combined.

When you take all this together, I am skeptical that you all are calling for Vick becoming a retread of his past incarnation. He may not become a coach on the field like Peyton Manning, but I bet as a passer he approximates 75-80% of what McNaab did on a metrics based level, and when you throw in what he can do on the ground, I think he's going to end up the year as a top 5 QB, in real terms.

my two cents."

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Re: Week 10 Open Discussion Thread
by Nathan :: Tue, 11/16/2010 - 1:19pm

What happened to C?

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