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10 Nov 2012
Discuss all of the comings and goings of footed ball games that occur in Week 10 in this here thread.
Posted by: Rivers McCown on 10 Nov 2012
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If I won tickets to see my beloved hometown Panthers face the Broncos here in Charlotte, would it just be too painful to watch?
Maybe, maybe even probably. But if the game goes the other way, it'll hurt too. I was at the game to watch Russell Wilson create a meme on a hail-mary, I watched him take it to Mr. Bundchen like a BOSS, Marshawn Lynch's beast-quake run, I saw Stan Gelbaugh humiliate Elway, Romolicious sitting on his ass crying in the north endzone, the confused disarray of the Giants having missed 3 game winning fieldgoals, Ricky Watters scoring an 80 yard safety. Those moments are hilarious and live forever.
A lot of people are of the opinion the best way to enjoy the game is at home, warm, surrounded by snacks, and convienence. Going to see a game may be a pain in the ass, but I've found it to be generally worth it.
Head up, leading with the chest, incidental helmet contact. Yeah, taking away an interception seems like the just call there...
The flip side of that argument is he's not being paid $12.50 an hour either; he cashes the whole check, he can play by all the rules.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Can you restate more clearly?
He's well compensated to go about his job in a thorough, and exactingly detailed manner. Yes, it's hard, he's paid like almost no one else can do it. He should be making the play like he's paid to make it not like he's stocking shelves at Target.
The player drawing the penalty is well paid therefore the penalty is good? My boss is well paid, should none of his code compile? The two don't seem logically related to me.
No, the argument is that these people are professionals at the top of their profession, so the excuse "Well, I only hit him in the head a little" doesn't fly.
The rules say you can't hit the head. He did. Good Penalty.
I thought Luck threw about 6 or 7 balls last week that could have easily been intercepted, now this one gets called back. Very fortunate so far.
Maybe its fickle, but I cant stand the "Reggie Wayne has resurrected his career" line. It just feels so uninformed. The guy went for 960 yards and had 75 receptions in a year where he had the Kerry Collins/Curtis Painter/Dan Orlovsky triumvirate behind center. Coached by Jim Caldwell no less.
Wayne, hasnt had a year where he has had less then 77 receptions since 2003, which is the exact last season in which 87 was under 1000 yards. He is amazing, and I just have a real problem with that line.
Agreed. Even by advanced stats, he was still a decent WR last year free of any QB-related context (I think 31 in DYAR and 40ish in DVOA).
Reggie Wayne is clearly a top WR for the last decade without interruption and both advanced and standard measures are fairly clear about that.
Is the game over yet? Jacksonville just has no answer defensively for this "forward pass" thing.
If it wasn't then, it is now.
not saying it would have been overturned, but how can they not even look at that touchdown? it was a pretty big play. i can't blame mularkey too much there. didn't cost his team anything anyway, probably would have been a touchback either way
Mularkey with the passionate display on the Luck touchdown, trying to get his team fired up, probably. Dunno. There's a difference between passion and a tantrum.
I thought the receiver had to be contacted going to the ground for the "Calvin Johnson rule" to be in effect. Jags can't buy a break, refs aren't doing them any favors.
Announcers is going on about how he had control through that catch. But the ball shoots out as he hits the ground. I don't think dragging a foot is a football move is it? You still need possession through the catch while going to the ground.
We'll he took 3 steps after catching the ball, no? He dove to the ground after catching the ball, its not a typical football move, but it is a move of some sort I guess.
I don't think he ever had footing or balance to run with that ball, so it should be going to the ground as part of the catch. It's like if you're running along and trip. You may stumble and take three or four steps, but you fall anyway. I'd say that falling was part of tripping rather than a separate event.
Nice audible by Luck on Brown's big run up the middle. I wish I could tell what he saw. Madden or Collinsworth would have told us.
So the refs deem this a reviewable play but not the TD. Great job! Way to be thorough.
The announcers said the score HAD to be reviewed. My guess is the booth guys did a quick review and said "we got no angle to confirm OR overturn."
To my untrained eye, Gabbert appears to be throwing way too hard. Pace is often a good thing, but you haul back and whip the ball with your full strength every single throw that has to hurt your accuracy.
To me it seems like Gabbo doesn't use his lower body for torque to get more mustard on the ball. He needs to gun it with all the strength from his upper body because he doesn't step into his throws and twist his hips. Maybe a result of his first year when he developed poor footwork due to being smashed all the time.
Agreed, he constantly throws with his weight over his back heel and every now and then when he transitions through his hips the ball comes out much better.
Chorus of boos from the dozens in attendance at the half.
The Los Angeles Jaguars will have a more enthusiastic home crowd.
Really? Those Raiders teams weren't exactly blackout proof.
jaguars first half: 3 and out, defense forces a punt, another 3 and out, defense allows a decent colts drive but hold them to a fg, first productive drive for the offense, missed fg, defense allows a td drive (helped out by a costly mental error by their safety who decided not to touch reggie wayne a yard short of the first down line on a 2nd down catch), promising drive that ends when the call on the field is reversed and ruled a fumble, defense gets an interception but it's negated by roughing the passer penalty and the drive continues to another colts td (on a 4th and goal of course), yet another 3 and out thanks to yet another colts successful challenge which overturns a first down catch on 3rd and 5. finally they make a big play with an interception to keep the colts from extending their lead. and even get a fg to close the half!
I'm pretty happy with the Colts run game so far, though like in the Manning days, it seems to be a pass-first offense opening up the run game, rather than true balance. Nut I'll take it; play-action is rather meaningless without some positive runs. Though Luck does not sell the PA like Manning did. Gotta have something to work on, I guess....
Zbikowski has to be the slowest KO return man in the league by far.
Darius Butler for the easy pick six.
I'm getting pretty sick of Mayock's sunshine and sugary sweetness. Clearly some of the players on the field suck but you wouldn't think so from his commentary. He's also bending over not to give Gabbo the full treatment he deserves because of how much he talked him up before the draft.
Such uninspired play calling. The Jags ran that same crappy out on 3rd and short earlier in the game and it was stuffed, but they lucked out and got an offsides penalty. This time no penalty, fourth down. If it fails the first time, why not try the same play again!
If your offense can have new life breathed into it by Chad Henne, that's bad, right?
Oh geez, Luck "began to slide" pretty late there for that to be a penalty.
Defenders are now required to equip and use air brakes a la Hare Lift.
Holy cow! That is an empty, empty stadium.
If an opponent manipulates your body into an act you can't be responsible for a foul because of that act. Notice rules like being blocked into the kicker or punt receiver. Otherwise an opponent should nearly always be forcing you to foul. I think a defensive lineman could receive illegal hands to the face on just about any play he wanted for example.
Just going to take a moment to rejoice over 'Bama's loss. Woo-hoo!
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...That didn't take long. Webster screws up on the very first drive.
3 1/2 minutes for Atlanta to score on Saints. Repeated defeats of 1-on-1 coverage ending in a 1-yard toss to a wide open backup OG Mike Johnson.
Nearly every roster decision has worked out perfectly for the Broncos since Elway took over, but I have no clue why it seemed like a good idea to hire the returner that was released BY THE TEXANS!
Brees throws bad pass that Samuel makes incredible pick on first offensive play, but excessive celebration brings ball back to 30 yard line instead of 5; Falcons settle for FG
Carolina playcalling on their second drive was impeccable. Wide open guys on screens and rollouts. Whats the book on Chudzinski?
Chris Ivory with a very nice run and poor angles/tackling by Falcons DBs 10-7 Atlanta
Wish they would bring Ingram back.
Think Hole in Zone active on Saints roster today
Pretty sure he's too busy with the Pats.
Ravens out to an early 10-0 lead. Last week they were flawless to get to a 14-0 lead at the end of the first quarter, then wet the bed until it was 14-15 in the fourth, then scored the last 11 points. Lets see if they can keep it up vs. the Raiders and get a rare blowout.
Seriously i want Trindon Holliday cut now. (Fumbles at the end of his, granted, decent return - recovered by a teammate).
I thought the call was that he was down by contact.
And of course he just returned a punt for a TD.
I don't think the problem in Houston was with Trindon Holliday.
As a Broncos fan, I wish he was a little bit better with ball security including his earlier muff and that weird zero yard kickoff return last week downed on the one, but his returns are certainly exciting.
Saints bounce back with nice run-pass drive. 14-10 Saints. Julio Jones in locker room with possible knee injury, although he walked there.
And right on cue Holliday runs a punt all the way back. Never mind me.
He fumbled at the end of that one too. Should have been a touchback. How the replay booth missed that, I have no idea.
How to slow down Saints; hold the ball for 7 minutes. 17-14 Atlanta.
Chargers 2010 Special Teams redux!
Scifres injured on the punt block.
Julio Jones back on sideline, but not in game yet. Injury status unclear.
I know Brandon Lloyd is known for his circus catches, but that DPI call was absurd.
It feels like the refs want to make sure the Pats win today. And I'm a Pats fan.
Agreed, total nonsense. Call holding if you have to but not DPI.
On the long DPI for New England against Buffalo how was that ball catchable? It seemed to land three yards out of the endzone, there's no way Lloyd comes down with that.
I'm hoping for a Steelers-Patriots matchup in the playoffs. I bet Ryan Clark could get flagged just for looking at someone's helmet.
Refs don't seem to care about catchability any more.
Note to camera crews: don't show the guy cheering whose shirt says "Baltimore F*cking Ravens"
Saints have nice 2 minute drive; Steven Nicholas on Graham is an absolute mismatch.
Karma hitting John Fox in the face. Two minutes to go in the half and the Broncos comes up juuust short on 3rd down at the Panthers' 3-something yard line.
Fox could've challenged (with turnovers an scores automatic reviews challenges aren't THAT valuable). Could've gone for it. Ever conservative he kicks and Karma makes Prater miss.
Denver and Carolina exchange missed field goals. The Panther's missed FG gives Manning about 40 seconds and two timeouts to try and get Denver another scoring opportunity before half.
Flacco looking like good Flacco today. 50 yard bomb to T. Smith for a TD. Just one bad play, a ball that got batted up in the air for an INT.
And who is he playing?
Saints O not stopping today. 28-17
Really unimpressed with the Falcons' defense. Yeah, Brees can do that to you, but the tackling has been atrocious. If the Saints have Hole in Zone active today, the Falcons have Cannot Tackle. And he is not only active; he is a starter on defense.
I wish the Giants would stop pretending they are a crappy team every November. I'm not fooled.
Manning loses the football on a strip sack and Carolina recovers. First play after the turnover, Newton throws a pick 6 while trying to evade the rush.
Classic Raider incompetence. Score a TD, force a 3 and out, muff the punt return. Ravens ball.
Edit: Next play, Ravens TD.
Eli with a brutal INT. I bet if Romo or Cutler had thrown that pick the reactions from Brennaman/Billick would have been much more critical. Just a wild guess.
And the Bengals just score to make it 24-6 in the 3rd quarter.
Why would you cover Stevie Johnson on 4th down?
Julio back in game, but limited in cuts
That's ok if you run down the sideline and catch jump balls.
So are the Broncos going to recover a fumble, ever?
That Volkswagen commercial gets me every time. I don't know why i find that old toothless geezers laugh so funny.
Am I the only one who finds those Drew Brees/One Direction Pepsi commercials incredibly stupid and annoying?
3 bad things that deserve each other
Ravens run a fake FG up 41-17 for a TD. It worked, 48-17. But what's the point?
I couldn't believe it when I saw it
Ugh, double post.
You say that now, but Baltimore will have the last laugh when they win a playoff spot on the point differential tiebreaker. By two.
These would be the same Ravens who are going to be 7-2 after today's win?
Ravens definitely have a tough schedule the rest of the way. I'd bet that the Steelers take the division.
To practice a fake field goal in a game situation? One of the main uses for blow out time is practice.
You must be right. I remember they did a fake PAT last year when they were up big against the Steelers in Week 1.
Bronco defense lights out today. Von Miller has been an absolute terror.
I think the Panthers are 0-9 on third down.
Falcons drive the field all passing, shake off bad incomplete call, close the gap. 28-24.
Does the Patriots secondary know that when you are playing zone, you are supposed to cover the receivers who are in that zone, not just the turf that is planted there?
JULIO is back, makes great deep catch. Falcons can't punch it in, however, settle for 3. 28-27 Saints.
That was a terrible series once they had goal to go.
Running Turner on 1st and goal is a wasted down.
Saints march back down the field, but good coverage by Asante Samuel forces FG. 31-27
Rivers is throwing some terrible passes today.
"Great formationing" by the Falcons.
Gosh Jacqizz is fun to watch
Gonzales is on a mission over the middle today. It will be a miss if he really retires after this season - he's still one of the best Tight Ends in the game.
He and Graham are having a good game. I'm glad to notice that the announcers are not making it a head-to-head game between them. They say that they are both having good games. They announce it as they play LIKE each other not AGAINST each other.
But I swear I heard a few weeks ago that "QB had to make the game winning drive against the Patriots and Tom Brady"
Great goal line stand by the Saints. Less than 2 minutes to go. 1972 Dolphins getting ready to pop the champagne, but there's still a chance for the Falcons to get the ball back.
Announcer is talking about taking a safety. But then only a FG is enough.
And Jim Schwartz loses any remaining credibility as a "stats aware coach" with a non-onside kick down 10 with 1:53 remaining. If EVER a situation called for an onside kick regardless of your chance of recovering, it was that.
You are going to what, force a punt, scored a TD, onside kick and then kick a FG?
Are you even trying to win?
Oops. Looks like Roddy White could have gotten that ball.
Indeed if only he had turned around instead of backpedaling. Falcons were due to lose one anyway though, so it is hard to fell bad for them.
Falcons can't punch it in from 2nd -4th and goal from inside the 2, then after forcing the Saints to punt, can't keep the drive alive to allow a Hail Mary. Saints win 31-27.
Turner is killing us. I don't know if Rodgers would be better running the ball, because blocking is a big issue, but he's a weapon in the passing game and Turner is a zero.
There's no point in handing off to Turner in short yardage situations. Just wasting plays.
Oh well, we certainly weren't going undefeated, but I hate losing to the Saints. Bunch of punks. Very good at getting under our skin.
I know it's Movember and with this economy it's smart to grow a beard to cut costs on razors. But that announcer in the 49ers - Rams game looks like a bum in a suit.
Don't be fooled by an early Rams deep pass for touchdown.
They are who we think they are.
Should I be fooled by a 93 yard TD drive by the Rams?
Eagles are allergic to tackling. Pathetic effort by Asomugha and others earlier in the drive.
There's been an awful lot of terrible tackling in today's highlights. Danario Alexander's touchdown for the Chargers and Ivory's touchdown for the Saints were both examples of truly awful tackling and pursuit, plus of course the usual examples from the Patriots in attempting to tackle CJ Spiller.
Agreed. In fact, I commented on the Falcons' pathetic tackling earlier today. That TD run by Ivory was one of the plays I had in mind, but it was not the only poor attempt at tackling by the Falcons, particularly in the first half.
Dont'a Hightower is going to see highlights of himself "tackling" C.J. Spiller during Patriots film sessions for many months now.
How the heck do the Rams get crushed by the Patriots but jump out to 14 - 0 on the Niners? Nothing makes sense in the NFL these days.
"Danny Amendola is a human punt returner in space."
As distinct from those nonhuman punt returners on earth?
it was pretty amazing .....I have no idea what he meant!
Any idea on what that yardage on 4th down would have been for the 49ers? I would probably take a 4th and 1 if its a long yard over a 3rd and 7, but that's just me.
Boy, terrible officiating in the Bills-Pats game. If I was a Bills fan, I would feel pretty robbed. Aside from the questionable unnecessary roughness on Spikes and an uncalled pushoff (didn't see by who...), most of the bad calls went against the Bills. That catch in the endzone was catchable? Really? That PI drawn by Gronk was catchable by Gronk when Edelman almost caught it 30 yards further downfield?
Speaking of terribie officiating, during a game break in the Cowboys-Eagles game they just talked about huge screwup in the Rams-49ers game (the officials apparently let the clock run while they measured for a possible first down, resulting in 1:12 going off the clock). How does that happen? And how did the officials not overturn that TD by Trindon Holliday on his long punt return when he clearly fumbled the ball before crossing the goal line)?
Yikes. I just saw that. I thought putting time back on the clock was something the officials were allowed to do if they saw the error on replay...
Also saw the punt return. My guess is that it wasn't reviewed, if the replay official didn't notice it live. Under the new rules, the opposing coach is not allowed to challenge scoring plays (since all scoring plays are supposed to be looked at by the replay official and sent down to the referee for review if they're at all questionable). Maybe the play happened and since it was hard to see the "fumble" in real time, and no-one was close enough to cause the fumble, the replay official didn't notice that he should have sent it down for replay before they kicked the XP (locking it into the books).
Let me just opine that the NFL's replay rules continue to impress me with their stupidity. Every time they try to improve or fix the system, they make it worse.
All TDs are supposed to be reviewed. The replay official doesn't have many duties. He should have flagged that and sent it to the ref. There's no way that should have been a TD.
They even took time to review the clock mishap in the Rams-49ers game, and still managed to lose those 72 seconds. The Holliday screwup was incredible, especially after the huge publicity when DeSean Jackson did the same thing in his rookie season.
49ers try to surprise the Rams with a "I'm not blocking the gunner, I'm going to rush the punter!".
The Rams answer with an easy pass from the punter to the gunner.
No thoughts on Vick's injury? Or just no one watching DAL/PHI?
Not watching it, saw it in the highlights.
It seems irresponsible to not protect your QB. I don't know Andy Reid's thoughts on it, but it seems as though Vick was not amused the last couple weeks.
And now Smith concussed as well...not a good late-game day for QBs...
Not to be callous, but my thought is that with all of the punishment he takes due to his awful offensive line, his lack of pocket awareness and his recklessness, I am surprised it took until Week 10 for him to get forced from a game due to injury. Was he forced from another game this year due to injury that kept him out for more than a few plays?
But did Andy Reid do anything about it to prevent this from happening?
I'm not trying to play the blame game here, but I honestly wonder if they changed anything. More runs, more protection, more short passes. Less bootlegs, less QB keeps...
I hate when teams go empty backfield on third and less than about six, but especially when it's third and short. At least make the defense consider the possibility that you -might- run the ball. It's bad enough when the Patriots do it with Tom Brady at quarterback, but it annoys me even more when Seattle does it with rookie Wilson.
I completely agree with this thought ... why oh why do you go empty on like 3rd and 2?
I was really ready for Miami to be a surprise wild card. Did anybody see what happened in Tennessee? Any given sunday, I know, but still.
Turnovers and bad pursuit. The long Johnson touchdown in particular came when Miami had his lane plugged at the point of attack, but he was able to reverse field and score untouched.
Still, how do you lose 37-3 at home to a 3-6 team? Where was the offense?
Just a terrible effort from a team that looked decent as recently as 7 days ago. Now they're 4-5 and they haven't even played the Pats once yet. The Titans game was supposed to be one of their gimmes.
Any chance for two any given sunday articles because my guess is that the bengals over the giants big gets it, but I'd be intrigued to see this one two.
Titans over Dolphins for AGS? Nah.
Bengals over Giants or Rams over 49ers. Remember - DVOA really loves the 49ers.
Of course, the Rams need to finish things up.
Yes, but DVOA really hates the Titans and they absolutely blew out a DVOA above average team. Same is true of Cincy. Even if the Rams won, it wouldn't have been more deserving because the game was close. But I guess that Miami went last week, so they got their shot.
Where was the offense?
Turning the ball over. Three interceptions, one returned for a touchdown, and they lost a Reggie Bush fumble in their own territory which led to the first Titans touchdown. The interception return put them in a 21-0 hole in the second quarter, 14 of those points off turnovers, and they simply aren't built to come back from that. Tannehill's not (yet) a quarterback whom you want to see throwing 41 passes (39 attempts plus two sacks), and a 3:1 pass:run ratio isn't going to get the Dolphins very far.
Let's see: Jets crush Colts, Colts squeak by Titans, so of course the Titans crush the Jets.
Small wonder the college football championship is such a mess.
Oy, ok, Jets and Dolphins distinctly not the same team. I'm quietly going back to whatever I was doing before, which hopefully doesn't involve any higher brain functions.
Titans crushed Dolphins, who crushed Jets (in one of their games, anyway). So you're only missing one step.
Wow! Rams have the sweetest fake punts in the league.
I stepped away and missed that. What did they do?
They ran the gunner in motion to draw the defenders from that side, faked it to him, then ran the punter out to the vacated area and had a receiver from tight in the formation go out to the side with no defenders deep and catch a pass. Best explanation I can do.
1st was easy. The guy who was supposed to block the gunner went went inside pre snap to rush the punter. The punter just tossed it to the gunner.
Second one was (from a punt formation) a fake handoff to the gunner who went east-west. Then the 'tight end' ran an out and the punter rolled left.
I don't remember seeing that one. That one was very nice.
Why would Jeff Fisher call a timeout there so quickly? Let the clock run down a bit and either call a timeoue after you run off more of the clock or make teh 49ers burn a timeout. Not smart.
Yeah, that was stupid.
BTW, Danny Amendola is a hell of a player.
Edit: but it's unfortunate that's got those teammates.
The offensive line, I agree. I actually think the Rams' skill position talent is not as bad as advertised and is improving with experience. Given a better offensive line and no Brian Schottenheimer, this could be a good offense.
Silly time out by Fisher there.
I don't understand what the Rams pass rushers are trying to do. Make Kaepernick beat you from the pocket.
In obvious passing situations they lose the assignment to keep containment.
With a mobile QB they should keep containment.
Rams throw a pass in the first play of over time for 70 something yards and half a minute later there's a flag on the field. The receiver was off the line... by at least an inch.
With the game tied, a receiver that doesn't get the ball, the defense wasn't confused or anything - that's a penalty you don't throw as a ref.
It didn't't impact the play but he was a yard off the line, exactly where he'd have lined up if he had thought he wasn't the split end.
This game should be a tie. Nobody deserves to win.
The clock stops at 2:00 in OT. Is that new or has that rule always existed?
That delay-of-game penalty is mind-boggling.
Surprising that the Rams are so aggressive. I'd take the tie and go home.
You play to win the game!
Delay of game while the clock was just at zero. They didn't call this before in the game - I noticed that. And so the Rams miss the field goal.
Then a whole overtime goes and the refs: miss another illegal formation (not called) they don't spot the ball correctly - costing the Rams seconds. Bradford doesn't throw the ball away and takes the sack with less than a few seconds left in OT... Then the refs fail to see that after the last pass they still had one second on the clock.
The Rams couldn't decide whether to beat the 49ers or themselves and eventually settled on neither.
The niners were lucky to get a tie, I think they recovered all four fumbles and they benefitted from some hugely bizarre but technically correct calls in overtime. Lucky to get half a win when they didn't play well. CK was Ok for his first extended run.
Somewhere, Donovan McNabb waits for the second OT period to start.
Why do Al and Chris not realize right away that this has to be a review initiated by the replay official and not a challenge by Houston?
Michael Bush converts a 4-1 from the Houston 30, then get the ball knocked out by Quin. Recovered by Houston for their second forced fumble and recovery.
The play started at around the 42 yard line, not the 30.
Mistook where the fumble happened with where it started.
And Matt Schaub gives it back to Chicago on the ensuing drive.
It seems neither team wants to keep the ball. Schaub throws hit second INT to Jennings.
Why have the Bears made their field out of sponge?
On that non DPI on Kareem Jackson he gets away with it because he was 'playing the ball' but he made an utter mess of it and cut off Hester, how is that OK?
A Texans defender just broke up a long pass and was then so absorbed in gloating over the incompletion that he failed to notice the live football bouncing up at shoulder-height two feet away.
I think that was Kareem Jackson. I can forgive him gloating about defensing a pass given he spent a couple seasons not having much to gloat over.
Yes it was Kareem Jackson.
That's an odd call. If the refs thought that he was past the line of scrimmage, then its not an illegal hit, right? The QB becomes a runner as soon as he crosses the line of scrimmage.
Yes a QB that has become a runner should not draw that foul. But the league is being overprotective of QBs. Heck, James Harrison was suspended for a similar hit on Colt McCoy.
How can you have roughing the passer when the QB is past the line of scrimmage and throws an illegal forward pass? Isn't he just a runner at that point?
The turnover fest continues. Cutler tosses his second INT, and the Bears' fourth turnover of the game. Houston, of course, does nothing with the ensuing possession.
We have secretly replaced this football with an armed grenade. The two teams have noticed, but the refs haven't. Let's see what happens.
Jason Campbell in for Cutler to start the second half. Cutler apparently out with a concussion.
Jason Campbell is still Captain Checkdown. That won't cut it. And then Kellen Davis is Sgt. Butterfingers.
This is why I didn't think Jason Campbell was a great signing by the Bears. He seemingly only wants to dink and dunk it, even in this situation. That is never going to work.
Is it Campbell, or the playcalling? I only saw bits of the game, but it seemed to me that every Bears possession was: Run (from an obvious running formation) for a 2 yard gain, either unsuccessfully attempt a poorly designed pass play from an empty backfield or run for no gain from an obvious run formation, and then check down for six yards on 3rd and 8.
I would blame the playcalling. As a backup QB, Campbell doesn't get to decide what plays are called. He can throw downfield. I didn't understand any of the playcalling towards the end of the game. Was it still pouring rain as much as it was at the start of the game? Still, I didn't see any aggressiveness by the Bears at the end of the game when they were down by a TD.
I don't know if I need to see aggressiveness per se in that situation. I want a little urgency, clarity of purpose. But I don't see anything wrong with leaning on guys like Forte or Marshall to make a play to help out a qb coming into the game cold and in a hole. The Texans are a good team, they get paid too. If I were to find fault, I think I'd find it with the 1st team preperation.
The Texans definately seemed to have that edge. It's not that surprising that the Texans had that edge over the Bears offense, that was even expected was it not?
We just also thought that the Bears had a similar edge over the Texans offense. It seems like they may, but it wasn't as big tonight. I think paitience can be underrated, and I don't think it's occasional failing makes it a bad idea.
NFC Division leaders go 0-3-1
AFC Division leaders go 4-0
Weird. The first weekend in recent memory when the top of the AFC looked stronger than the top of the NFC.
If Peter King doesn't steal that I'll be shocked.
NFL Network; Second straight game without a pick for Romo
Deon Sanders: That's sayin' a lot.
Both of the Bears losses have come when they haven't gotten a TD from the D or ST.
This does not bode well for the Bears remaining games. The NFC is far stronger than it was the last time the Bears made the Super Bowl.
To show how much FFL has influenced me, the only thing I care about during tonight's KC-Pitt game is whether I get 3.58 Yahoo points from Bowe. Damn, I'm pathetic.
This one's done. Chiefs will win going away.
that would be a hilarious outcome, and probably a very bitter pill for Steelers fans.
Uh, why are the Chiefs looking like an NFL team so far?
They're a weird team. I watch them sometimes, and they seem so fast. They've got talent everywhere. But then they produce this result that seems impossible given my impressions of many of the individuals and how they seem like they should perform together. I've pretty much given up trying to understand it, and just blame their front office and coaching. I also hate them. Their suffering and that of their fans pleases me; so there's not really a whole lot of incentive to overthink it.
I hate the Steelers more, so...go Chefs!
A Chefs win doesn't encourage their fans, it tortures them with dreams of the season that might have been, a world where they all had sinister goatees but were cloaked in football glory.
My hate is such that I don't wish physical pain upon them. No, to be satisfied I require that they endure the kind of psychological and emotional torment that only the mind can inflict upon itself.
Who's your rooting interest, again? :P
Seahawks. But it doesn't matter, it's beginning to look like the Chefs are remembering who they are and how they play.
Just wondered if it was a divisional thing. I hate the Steelers because I root for Baltimore. Pretty much a requirement.
Well, the Seahawks and Chiefs were formerly division foes before the realignment moved the Seahawks to the NFC.
They have one of the most undisciplined secondaries I've seen this year. They let running backs run through the 2nd level at will, and never seem to have someone in position to "clean up" if a mistake is made.
I don't think this is a talent problem as you've observed sometimes they look good. So I think this coaching staff is awful. It's not all Crennel's fault, but picking guys the players will listen to and making sure they're saying things worth hearing is part of his job.
This only covers defense of course. On offense I'm not sure exactly what their problems are, but I think Cassel is a big one.
Because they're playing the Steelers, who are pretty terrible.
I know it's very hard for football fans of all ages to comprehend since it's been 40 years since the last time the Steelers fielded a bad football team, but here we are. They have a good quarterback, but on roster spots 2-53 they are not really any better than the Chiefs or the Browns.
Another possession with a couple first downs. Didn't score, but still no ridiculously bad playcalling or turnovers. Who are these people and what have they done with the Chiefs?
Cursing an offical! NAUGHTY!
Uh...and now a Steelers fumble. Has FO already written the AGS column for the week?
Steelers receivers look bad today, and the KC lines have lain claim to a good chunk of territory in the middle of the field.
Dammit, Mike Wallace heard you.
A circus catch is nice but doesn't fix things. They're still failing to get open.
Welp, 10-10 at halftime. Ridiculously good catch by Wallace to tie the game.
I thought the Chiefs would've folded by now, but they actually have a nice drive going here in the 3rd. *game thread full of crickets*
Well there was a shanked short field goal attempt. That help you any?
Not watching the game, so I'm just going by the highlight on NFL.com, but why was the Wallace catch a touchdown? I know the TD was reviewed, but I find it hard to believe that he had control of a ball when it's stuck between his knees... It looked like he had slid out of bounds before he pulled it up.
Are you kidding me? That was even more obviously a pass than Roethlisberger's last week.
How stupid are the Chiefs? They haven't lead all year and now they are taunting themselves out of a win.
Man the Chefs are reinventing clownage. It's like staring into a sun made of comedy. It hurts but it's beautiful. So beautiful. Snickers couldn't have picked a better team.
What in the hell? Chiefs are penalized for excessive celebration on a play where the touchdown was called back. Has that happened before?
Not to mention that it gave the Steelers a first down instead of having to punt. That's an impressive screw up...
So I guess nobody feels like winning.
Don't mind going for it and like the play call. But the offensive line looked confused like they weren't ready for the snap.
Same thought here. The line has shown a lot of improvement over the past month, but was very inconsistent tonight. I appreciate the aggressiveness in going for it. They should be able to pick that one up.
That ball probably isn't overthrown if Flowers isn't dragging Wallace back by the arm for five strides.
Captain Windmill plus Todd Haley's short passing attack is truly a perfect fit.
You goin' to the open QB tryouts the Steelers are obviously going to be holding tomorrow?
So what's David Garrard up to these days?
Who was Pioli just talking to on the phone? His realtor?
Hey, look. The first Steeler to get Hillis actually tackled him. Weird.
Javier Arenas just cached in his ticket for one free piggy-back ride with Emmanuel Sanders.
Running backs still count as defenseless when trying to catch, right?
Brandon Flowers is praying for a short pass to his side if the field every play.
Jon, I don't think you draft any defender high in the first round just because they excel against the run...
This is a game in which I would actually prefer to kick off in OT rather than receive.
EDIT: And that INT just showed why.
Are you a witch?
Ha ha. No, I'm a Bears fan. I know that if you are going to OT and you have a very good defense and a mediocre (at best) QB, while the opponent has an awful QB and an awful offense in general, your best bet is to start on defense and force a quick turnover (and perhaps even bring that turnover to the house a la Mike Brown circa 2001). Bad weather and field conditions make this an even easier call. Better to pin the opponent deep and get a turnover and win the game via a return or a chip shot field goal than risk your own QB throwing a pick or getting strip sacked deep in your own territory.
Hey, Cassel, you went 4 quarters without being yourself. Chin up.
So is this the last game the Steelers win this season? I think Leftwich could maybe beat the Browns.
The Steelers have another major problem right now, which is their cunning strategy of backing up their fragile starting quarterback with not one but *two* old guys that are even more fragile than the starter. It's been years since either Leftwich or Batch has played more than two straight games and not ended up on IR. It's not just possible but likely the Steelers are going to be starting J. Random McCown signed off the street by the last few games.
And yet they have a two game lead for the 6-seed and I could conceive of them backing into the playoffs at 9-7 and providing Denver or New England with an effective first round bye. Sure, Baltimore's going to blow them out twice, but they have the Browns twice, the Bengals, the Cowboys and the Chargers on their schedule. Even a terrible team might occasionally squeeze three wins out of those five, and 9-7 will get you a wild card in the AFC this year. You can't even rule out 8-8 getting you a wild card in the AFC this year.
Reports of this morning are calling Roethlisberger's injury a separated shoulder. Normally that would mean his season's over and he'll be on IR by the end of the week, but this is Ben Roethlisberger so we can't rule out him starting next Sunday.
The New York Jets
I feel like something from The Fray or 30 Seconds to Mars should be playing in the background there.
Anyone in New Jersey available to do a welfare check, make sure they're alright?
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