Talk amongst yourselves
10 Nov 2013
Discuss the highs and lows of Week 10 in this here open thread.
Posted by: Rivers McCown on 10 Nov 2013
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No sign of Richie in the Dolphins' locker room. He must be incognito.
That's exactly what Meriweather does best: play center field and pick off long, errant passes. Terrible throw by Ponder.
Was watching to see if any of the Vikings would go for a head-to-head tackle of Meriweather. Or maybe target a knee. Since, of course, there's nothing in between.
Adrian Peterson is the only Viking O-player capable of dealing real pain to Merriweather, and I bet Merriweather keeps a 10-yd cushion between himself and Peterson.
Well if Meriweather tries that when AD gets into the secondary (as he did on the last play), Meriweather will enjoy watching the game from the bench.
Does anybody on these 2 squads know how to tackle?
Perhaps one of the punters?
Of course, they're not going to be seen at all tonight. So it's a moot point.
It's a textbook example of what happens when the stoppable force meets the movable object.
Good lord, the Redskins are on some kind of mission to end the season with a special teams DVOA worse than the Jaguars total DVOA
The atrocious special teams and abysmal tackling on defense does not speak well of the coaching in this organisation.
That's odd, why was the fake punt play ruled a false start? Looked like illegal motion to me.
Why are Vikings taking timeout with a 7 point lead, 38 seconds left in the game, and the Redskins without any timeout?
They just gave the Redskins a huge gift.
I can only think of 2 reasons:
1: to leave time on the clock for yourself if they score.
2: to be sure you get the right defense in.
Well that was an uncalled hold that prevented a TD on 2nd down.
Heeeee. Happy to actually see the Vikings play a game and look somewhat respectable (well, not really. That was some terrible tackling, until the sacks started... and Ponder broke his arm or whatever). And they won, instead of giving up like usual in the last 3 minutes (they tried to suck like usual, but a rare whaft of late game stiffness showed up).
That being said, I assume the TOs at the end was because Frazier had 0% belief in his defense's chance to stop them (which they did), and wanted some time on the clock for his offense to fail to do anything in 20 seconds. I guess maybe he thought there was also a decent chance that Washington would go for 2? Its either all that, or he's a moron.
I don't think Frazier is a moron, I think he is a realist. He knows that his D has no chance of getting up and getting in position to defend the hurry up. A bad D with a chance to get in position is better than a bad D not ready to play. So good for him to recognize that and at least give them the best chance to maybe get a stop.
But of course, that just points to his failings as a coach in getting his D ready to play in that situation.
That maybe so, but he shouldn't be getting credit for the fact that two Redskins receivers dropped passes in the end zone after the time out.
Did anybody else hate the playcall on 4th down at the very end? Throwing a quick fade to the back of the end zone seems like a terrible use of your highly mobile QB on the very final play of the game.
I can't be too critical of the play call given that it nearly worked. If Moss had dragged his left foot instead of lifting it, and hadn't juggled the ball, that could have been a TD.
Of course, in hindsight you can look at 4th and goal and call a running play instead. The Redskins had had a good amount of success running. Just hate the fact that they were averaging over 5 yards per rush and they had three straight incomplete passes from the 4 yard line.
I'm not suggesting they should have called a running play on 4th down, although that was clearly a feasible option; just something that didn't require Griffin to throw the ball immediately so that he could attempt to scramble if necessary. Although, yes, the play was well executed and within a fraction of working.
Calling a running play on 1st, 2nd or 3rd down would have been a very bold, probably wrong decision.
Well, that game was an insult to tackling, although it was fun to see Kevin Williams look young again. I wonder if that cheap shot on his knee he got in the last exhibition game slowed him up for the first 8 games, and Mayock is right that it is not a real stretch to consider him a HOFer; I've always liked watching him more than I did Randle, for what it is worth, simply because he's always been so good against the run.
The nightmare scenario for Vikings fans is that they win enough games to not make an obviously sound qb pick in the first round. Either that, or Ponder recovers from yet another injury, and plays well enough in a few games against lousy defenses to think they need to give him more opportunities. Luckily, the Vikings remaining schedule is tough enough to make it more likely that they don't get to 4 wins.
Yes, before anyone gets to worried about wins lets remember Ponder's seeming competence for most of the game has a lot more to do with Washington's defence being terrible. He's still the same guy. To me it makes sense to play Freeman soon. He's the only one of the three that has really shown any possibility of being a starting QB. I don't like the chances that he is good enough, but think the chances that Ponder or Cassel are is zero.
I would like to see the rookie linebackers play a lot for the rest of the year. I don't see the point in Henderson and Mitchell getting snaps. I think Greenway is done as well, perhaps he has injuries slowing him down, but he has been truly horrid this year. Would also like to see a lot more of Everson Griffin at right end.
It doesn't bode well for Shanahan's reputation as a defensive coach (what little of that is left) that Christian Ponder and Matt Cassel ripped this defense to shreds. The sad thing is that, before Shanahan took over, the defense was actually pretty good. But Shanahan seems intent on turning the Redskins into the same team that he coached in Denver: strong offense based on running combined with a terrible defense.
And yes, Kyle Williams really made a difference in the 2nd half. It bugs me that, when it comes to Canton, it seems that D-linemen are judged largely by sack counts. A good defensive lineman will play 800+ snaps per season and, if very good at rushing the passer, get 15-20 sacks. Judging linemen primarily by such a rare stat (even a very positive one like the sack) doesn't seem the best way to go about things. It's like judging a hitter in baseball solely by his HR total.
I was no aware of any defensive reputation Shanahan had. Other than some people thinking he fired his DCs in Denver too frequently to scape goat them.
DeAngelo Hall is a good player, he makes many tackles and has 2 FF, according to the announcer.
You can think Hall is underrated or overrated, but he's not good because he makes tackles; he's not a cover 2 corner.
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Remember when Pittsburgh flung the ball deep, let plays develop, were creative with bunch and trips formations and when passes to the runningback were bail out plays?
Now, the script of the first drive was: run up the middle, run up the middle, wildcat run, pass from a heavy set, run up the middle from shotgun, run, pass to the halfback behind the LOS for a loss, run, run, interception. Ben made no reads at all on that drive.
What are they thinking?!
Dierdorf is stunned that Marvin Lewis went for it on 4th and 1 at around the Ravens 45. The Ravens stop them, subsequently score a TD, and Dierdorf again harps on this point. But from what I've seen Bengals are one of the teams who most consistently go for it on 4th down. Not out of character at all I don't think.
So, I wake up late and get into the Pack/Eagles game. Suddenly the Packers are now utterly screwed, huh? Also, what's with all the injuries in this game? It's still the Q1!
The game is on Fox not AMC right? This is football not a soap opera with zombies I thought.
Evan Diethrich-Smith is down. So Lang at center, Barcly to guard adn Newhouse in at tackle....
Seneca Wallace out in GB with a groin injury. Scott Tolzien is in now. This does not bode well.
Did they dress 3?
Announcers were talking that one of the WR/RB was the emergency QB. Didn't catch who they were talking about. Guess the Packers only have 3QBs on the roster, including Rodgers.
They were actually saying the Packers were keeping the identity of the emergency QB under wraps.
They signed Tolzien from the practice squad this week.
Rams all over Indy. Indy struggling two weeks in a row. Can they get out with two wins?
The Packers catch a break when Boykin catches a long pass along the sidelines but doesn't get both feet down before his arm lands out of bounds. Philly doesn't toss the challenge flag prior to the next snap despite Tolzien taking about 20 seconds to hike it.
They got away with a blatant face mask on defense too which lead to the missed Philly FG. The refs seem to be on the Packers side today, though Philly not challenging the catch was just a bad decision. The offsides penalty would have let the Packers have a first down anyway, but that's still 30 yards of fiedl position.
I think redzone have shown three different flea flickers. Weird.
Jack Patera is sitting in Cle Elum with a huge smile on his face. That Razzle Dazzle play by the Seahawks looked like it was drawn straight out of his playbook. Ghosts of Zorn to Largent out there today. Tate and Lynch tearing it up as usual. Atlanta is starting to get frustrated.
As a Seahawks fan, I loved the trickeration. As a Marshawn Lynch fantasy owner, I'd rather see them dial up the halfback pass when they decide to apply the razzle-dazzle.
A few underdogs (Rams, Ravens, and Jags) dominating early.
So far with the Rams leading the Colts big and the Ravens leading the Bengals big, this should be a good week for Any Given Sunday.
Also, the Jaguars are leading the Titans.
Any win by the Jaguars would have to be considered a massive upset.
Irrationally, as a Broncos fan, this makes me nervous.
Rams 28 colts 0? Somebody spike Indy's drinking water?
I really think Rodgers is worth 21 Points/Game to GB over Wallace/Tolzien/Replacement QB
Hawks giving Wilson time to pass today. Hawks rolling over Atlanta easily now.
Cut David Reed NOW! At half.
He keeps trying to bring the ball out of the end zone, and I think he's put the Colts inside the 10 twice, and inside the 15 once. That's the problem with having a kick returner who has no other role on the team -- trying to be a hero instead of playing good football. Ugh.
Only a small part of the problem, but certainly not a help when starting at your 20 after a kickoff is a free play.
And Reed brings it out again! To the 13! Unreal. Cut his butt now.
Please God, make Chuck put a different return guy in. I am begging you. Or, put no one back there and let the ball go out of the end zone.
Maybe the coach tells the returner what to do?
Now down 35-0. As a Colts fan, I think they are more like this than a 6-2 team. But, gees, that's awful football.
@ Colts: What the what?
Remember when FO was inexplicably jumping on the Pryor bandwagon after a game or two? Lol.
What the hell's going on in Indy? Did the Colts simply take the Rams too lightly?
Colts OL a sieve. Every big play has been a Rams play. And just as I am typing this, TY Hilton catches a deep pass in the open, has one guy to beat ... and falls on the turf, eaten by the turf monster!
And then interception in the end zone.
when it rains it pours?
Or is the oline just getting their supper served?
And the media is busy painting this as a beat up ATL. team vs a "healthy" SEA team. Hawks won't be healthy until they face NO in three weeks.
We know how these "undertog takes huge early lead" games go. Colts to win 41-38 in OT
Not today. If you can't score with Hilton having to outrun one safety, you're not going to score. My prediction is a late TD, but losing 35-7. The only hope for the Colts fans now is no injury to Luck.
Luck with his second interception of the 3rd quarter after throwing only 3 in the first 8 games.
On Riley Coopers long TD catch it sure looked like the ball was loose and hit the ground. There was no official review. That's probably about the 8th missed call in this game, although the misses have gone both ways.
Looks like the same issue on the second Philly int too.
I don't understand why Cutler's playing in the 2nd half. He's clearly hurting and it's making him ineffective. McCown proved that he can execute this offense and right now I'd argue he's a better option because Cutler's so restricted. Add the risk of reinjury and more missed time (if he hasn't already hurt himself) and...well, why's he still in the game?
Yeah, I don't understand it either. The Bears could win the game but lose the season if Cutler has to miss another 3 weeks --- unless they think this game decides their playoff hopes.
This is probably the most crucial single game for their playoff hopes, but as you said, the prospect of Cutler missing multiple games is bad. And at this point I really don't know if McCown gives them a lesser chance of coming back and winning this game compared to Cutler as he is right now anyway.
And of course, since this is bizarro day in the NFL, the Bears defense looks great while their offense is mediocre. It figures. Where was this defense 3 weeks ago when the Bears put up over 40 points and still lost?
Never mind. There's the 2013 Bears defense I know and hate. There's about a 99.99% chance they're going to run the ball up the middle, and you still give up 10+ yards to Bush on that play? Ugh.
I don't think the Bears D is playing all that well either. The DL has done a good job batting balls, but the run D wasn't good, Tillman isn't playing all that well, and Conte's 2 big plays were the result of poor throws by Stafford. I didn't see much in the way of a pass rush also.
An apparent AJ Green fumble is not overturned after a Harbaugh challenge. Bengals still in this.
Ravens get out of the 3rd quarter only allowing 3 points to the Bengals. Dalton will be throwing into a very strong wind in the 4th.
Thank Grid that Spurlock doesn't get another shot at a KO return. He's killing the Lions on field position.
Reggie Bush's 3 drops and fumble are symbolic of the biggest problems with the Lions offense.
Akers misses yet another FG. Bring back Kickalicious!!!
Poor Jags might still blow this game late.
Christine Michaels in for Lynch. Kid looks good. Hawks won't miss a beat when Lynch finally retires.
About time Fairley got called for tackling the QB long after he got rid of the ball. Is there a dirtier team than Detroit?
It took them until the 3rd quarter to call a hold against the Bears, too. That's the way they call it at Soldier Field, because it used to favor the Bears -- except they're not good enough to take advantage of it this year.
The Nelson Td catch/incomplete pass looks a lot like the Eagles one from earlier in the game.
The Bengals are are called for a late hit on Flacco as he goes out of bounds. The problem is he was still in bounds when the hit was delivered. I know as a Jets fan my team has benefited from a call like that, but they're still happening too often.
On the first 2pt attemt to tie it for the Bears, Brandon Marshall was on the sideline. What?!
They completely botched both of those attempts. I can understand switching to a run after the penalty puts the ball on the 1 yard line, but I don't know what was up with the personnel...they lined up for the first one as if they were planning to run, and then brought in the receivers for the 2nd attempt and ran.
This is the first loss that I put squarely on the shoulders of Trestman. Apart from the failed 2 point conversion, Cutler had no business being on the field in the second half and I firmly believe they'd have had a better chance of winning with McCown. Hopefully Cutler's not seriously hurt and won't miss more time, but who knows.
Also, I know this was borderline, but I didn't like going for it on 4th and 1 early in the game when they were well into field goal range (but not so close that converting would make a touchdown extremely likely).
That was a very impressive throw by McCown to Marshall for TD while being brought down.
Followed by impressive power rush by Fairley to stop Forte on 2-pt play.
Exciting game. Detroit wins in spite of themselves.
50 sec to go, trailing 9 and you throw it 3 yards downfield to your running back?
That should be 4 straight passes into the endzone.
Game tying hail mary in Baltimore. Oopsie.
That was awful. The Bengals were playing as if they still had 3 minutes to play. Very slow in getting ready for plays.
UNBELIEVABLE. The ball is tipped TWICE on a Hail Mary attempt from Dalton and the game will go to overtime. Ihedigbo only had to step out of the way of the ball, but he sets the ball up for AJ Green as if he's playing volleyball. Crazy, crazy.
Case Keenum loses the ball when Campbell sacks him, Cardinals recover, and score the TD. 14 seconds in and Texans down 7-0 with AZ offense never on the field.
Thats gotta be a catch by Dickso, right?!
Andre Johnson with an incredible catch for a TD to tie it in Phoenix. He's sprinting out of bounds, stretching to catch a pass, with good coverage by Peterson. He drags his second toe in bounds with about half an inch to spare.
Lechler absolutely crushes a punt, 61 yards from the end zone, then a 10-yard penalty tacked on to it. The Reed signing has blown up in the Texans' face, but I shudder thinking of what their ST DVOA would look like without some of Lechler's kicks.
Overtime in the Bengals-Ravens game turned out to be a tease after the sensational final play of regulation. Both quarterbacks were terrible in that game, it was a defensive domination. A bad loss, but I think the Bengals are still very likely to win the AFC North.
This is 2 games in a row where the CIN O-line has almost been non-existent. I think the only play where Dalton had time to pass was the Hail Mary. MIA D-Line was in Dalton's face last week ... Ravens kept the pressure on all game as well. Diff b/w MIA and BAL games where that the CIN D-Line was effective vs BAL.
At least Gresham didn't play and add to the idiotic penalties.
Jonathan Joseph and Kareem Jackon have both left the field for injuries. Losing either of them is going to hurt; seems like most everything which could go wrong for the Texans has.
Did anyone catch the Incognito interview on FOX during pregame? Anything interesting?
you can find it on youtube
Basically, according to Incoginito, Martin was a friend, Martin doesn't blame him and all was in the frame of friendship.
Oh, just the annual "Peyton Manning proves time of possesion to be a useless stat"-game.
22:16 - 7:31, Chargers in ToP, Broncos up 21-6 at halftime.
No matter how much you try to keep him on the bench, he's still going to get as many possesions as your QB.
The "cut down the number of possessions" strategy requires a defense that can make stops.
At this point I think the Chargers would be pretty excited if they could make slows.
You can play safe on defense and take away the deep pass - and force Manning to more short passes and more runs.
You can run the ball more yourself, or use more short passes to get down the field and eat more clock that way.
JJ Watt, doing what he does. Swat, force fumble, fall on ball.
Do not show your back to JJ Watt.
Or depend on Randy Bullock on FGs.
Watt sacks Palmer and forces, then recovers, the fumble giving the Texans possession near the Cardinals' 20. 3 incompletions later a Bullock kick is blocked.
I've wondered: Is a FG block (partially) on the kicker? Is there such a thing as a kicker with a slow wind-up/release?
Yes, there are a few kickers like that, but I think it's about evenly divided between bad snaps, bad holds, bad kickers, and blown blocks. My guess isvthat Bullock needs everything else to be perfect to have a chance.
it's almost always a bad block or a slow snap/hold/placement... you can lean backwards as a kicker to make the arc steeper - but on XPs and short kicks, that's almost never an issue
The only time I've really seen a blocked kick attributed to a kicker (by the commentators) is when the trajectory is too low, which is more typical on longer field goals. I've seen "blocked" kicks that were actually the result of the kicker kicking the ball directly into a player standing at the line of scrimmage...no question that's the kicker's fault there.
Well, that _could_ be the holder's fault as well, if he placed the ball in the wrong spot, (probably a few inches too close to the line) but yeah - that's usually the kicker.
Beautifully designed and executed screen to get Demayrius Thomas his second TD of the afternoon. 27-6 early third quarter. This one feels over, but after what happened in this game last year, you can't be sure I guess.
Seriously - Zane Beadles didn't even have to make a block. You know you fooled the opponent when your lead blocker goes untouched into the endzone.
It just feels like the momentum has been shifting to Carolina since the second quarter. Now the fumble recovery and I think the Panthers are going to take this game over from here on out.
Jinxed it. Manning stripsacked on a rollout. Manning seems to have an extremely high fumbles per sack-rate and an almost identical lost FPSR.
I'm not the brightest guy on Earth, and my knowledge of football strategy can be topped by Rookie-level Madden playcalling. However watching Mendenhall and Ellington run I wonder why on Earth the former gets any carries while the latter exists. Ellington just looks so much better to my eyes. Mendenhall runs into the line and is either immediately tackled, or tackled after bouncing back and losing some yards.
To keep the other 'fresh' or because the coach thinks Mendenhall is better at running inside?
I don't watch much Cardinals football, but as a Steelers fan, I know Mendenhall is just a guy that runs into a hole and then gets tackled. That's basically all he does. He's an ok blocker.
… And now Mendenhall fumbles on a run inside, letting the Texans back into the game.
Because they gave up a 1st round pick for him. Oh sorry, thought you were describing Trent Richardson vs. virtually any other RB.
Mendenhall unconscionably fumbles after the Texans punted away their chance of winning the game.
You could say exactly the same thing about Green-Ellis and Giovani Bernard in Cincinnati.
The blocking assignment that left rookie RB Dennis Johnson trying to block Jonathan Abraham 1-on-1 is one they should probably rethink. Keenum is sacked for a loss of 10 almost immediately.
"and this is the way Carolina Panthers win football games."....except, of course, when the Hawks beat them. And after the Rams beatdown of Indy, the Hawks don't look quite so flawed sitting at 9-1.
The Rams are another one of those teams with an "underrated" defensive front. Had Bradford been healthy, they probably beat the Hawks.
Except that the Rams crushed none other than Indianapolis, the one team that Seattle lost to. The NFL is a weird place this year, it seems more impossible to predict than usual.
The Rams' destruction of the Colts needs to be thrown out as experimental error.
The win makes the Rams the current holder of the NFL title belt, right? It started with Baltimore, Denver held it for much of the season until Indy took it away, and now it goes to St. Louis.
Niners dead last in passing yardage. Their two dimensionality is being exposed by the better teams in the NFL.
So on 3rd-and-8 the Chargers center snaps the ball before Rivers expects him to. It's a fumble, but Rivers quickly falls on it for a loss of 4 or so. The refs call "illegal snap" on the center: 5 yard penalty remains third down. Why didn't Del Rio decline that penalty bringing up 4th and 8? Or is that not a declineable penalty? If so why not?
It's a penalty that prevents the snap of the ball.
An illegal snap is a dead ball, like a false start.
But they appeared to botch the call. If that's a correct interpretation, any errant shotgun snap gives the offense a mulligan after a five-yard penalty, which is absurd on its face.
You'd have to believe it was a double-clutch kind of thing, right? Or would that be a false start?
As I understand it, false starts and illegal shifts and such mean that the play never took place, so the outcome is not an option.
WHY IS MIKE MCCOY KICKING PAT DOWN 9?!
Announcers are defending it with a passion "to keep it a one score game if you miss it" and "to keep the game moving" whatever that means.
"Keep the game moving"?! That's funny until you realize these guys are getting paid to say those things.
Are there alternatives to the 'dick vermeil chart' to to for 1 or 2?
I actually thought it was Bill Walsh...?
Sure, but it was Dick Vermeil in the 70s.
Keenum has had three passes which really should have been intercepted. Dansby dropped one early. Hopkins got a 20 yard reception on a pass which was tipped into the air. And at the start of the 4th Hopkins catches a 3rd and 2 which went off a DB's hands. Matt Schaub watches this and just shakes his head at fate.
Most of Keenum's success seems to rest on the 'hurl the ball in the general vicinity of Andre Johnson' strategy. I seriously doubt he's better or even equal to Shaub. Not that it matters who's starting for the Texans' this season.
You're underestimating his ability to spark the offense with his swagger.
He also is more mobile.
Any swagger the Texans demonstrate is due to the presence of Ed Reed's leadersauce.
I think Keenum does bring a bit more mobility in the pocket to the game than Schaub does. The OL has deteriorated and, in this game, Schaub would have been killed by the Cardinals' rush. Keenum has taken some sacks, but he's scrambled out of a couple situations that Schaub was going to take a loss on.
I can't tell if the Broncos recievers are getting interfered with all the time, or simply utterly unable to handle press coverage. The offense has fallen apart since the Chargers went to that strategy.
My observation is that Decker and Demaryius Thomas (but especially Decker) just give up whenever they face any significant contact. I also think that if they put forth any particular effort on contested balls, they might be more likely to get the flags they're always begging for.
And the Niners have now lost more games at home than the Seahawks have lost on the road. Who'd have thought that going into the season? 46 yards passing? Niners have played 5 teams with winning records and only won 2 of them.
Panthers, meanwhile, look like contenders. Saints better watch their backs.
The Chargers offense is moving tha ball but it isn't pretty. False starts, illegal snaps, sacks, fumbles, deep pass to Gates. Rince repeat.
Broncos get away with helmet to helmet hit on 3rd-and-16 which kinda-sorta illustrates my point.
Trindon Holliday muffs the punt, but recovers himself. How many fumbles does it take to take away the value of a return TD? 2?
After another ineffective offense series the Texans punt and pin the Cardinals at their own 5. Mendenhall runs into the pile and loses the ball when he's stood up. Watt sees it at the bottom of the scrum, recovers it, and Texans get a gift and a chance to keep in the game.
Whether their now-turnstile right side of the OL can keep Keenum vertical long enough to complete a pass is questionable.
Doesn't hurt to have Andre Johnson pulling miracles.
There is no way that ball should have been caught by Johnson.
Sean Lee limps off clutching his hamstring. This is bad news for Dallas.
dammit Collingsworth Joe Frazier didn't throw right hooks.
DeMarcus Ware puts on an awesome spin move and sacks Drew Brees to create 3rd and long.
Next play, Ware is on the sideline catching breathe, Brees has all day to scan the field and easily completes the pass for a first down.
How on Earth did Dallas manage to burn all their timeouts before the final 2 minutes of the half?
So it is possible that KC could end up facing another backup QB next week, with Manning injured to the point where he needs an MRI after Liguets low shot.....
You have to laugh. Dallas scores a TD, then executes an onside kick and appears to finally have some momentum. But yet another player gets injured on the kick. And then there is a horrendous offensive series including a grounding penalty which results in having to punt the ball away again.
And the Saints score yet another TD 3 plays later on a Brees bomb to Kenny Stills.
Some sort of mercy ruling is in order in New Orleans. In fact it was probably in order the moment Sean Lee went out of the game.
A McCown sighting!
Wondering if Brees would be removed at any point.
Ugh. Man, do we really have to suffer the indignity of both Jacksonville and Tampa Bay winning in the same week?
Miami is certainly listless today (not surprising really).
Almost got to see 2 Safeties in the same game by different teams (1 for each).
I kinda don't want to see bonus football if its going to be more of this. That seems to be drifting perilously close to masochism.
Well, the Miami offensive line (in both senses) agrees, and decides to just get off the field.
*sigh* Bucs win huh...
So, do the 2008 Detroit Lions celebrate this annual event (the final winless team getting a victory) by tapping a keg of malt liquor?
on the Donald Penn touchdown for Tampa Bay yesterday, he didn't maintain possession through the catch, as he lost control of the football over the crossbar.
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