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18 Nov 2010

Week 11 Open Discussion Thread

Talk about all the Week 11 games here!

Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 18 Nov 2010

262 replies , Last at 23 Nov 2010, 11:31am by Jonadan

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by andrew :: Thu, 11/18/2010 - 9:55pm

I don't think Wake knew he caused a fumble. He struggled to get up then ran up as if to celebrate while the ball was on the ground. Several other dolphins looked like they could have had it if they'd fallen on the ball too...

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by Dave :: Fri, 11/19/2010 - 5:47pm

Neither did the announcers, so he wasn't alone.

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by BJR :: Thu, 11/18/2010 - 10:03pm

Perhaps Thigpen has been instructed to throw picks on third and long so they don't have to punt to Hester

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by Harris :: Thu, 11/18/2010 - 10:11pm

Man. It's amazing how much the commentary for this game improves when I put the tv on mute and play Gnarls Barkley.

Hail Hydra!

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by BJR :: Thu, 11/18/2010 - 10:24pm

That's two drops and a taunting penalty for Brandon Marshall so far this game. Way to help out your new Quarterback.

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by Big Frank :: Fri, 11/19/2010 - 9:47am

...And a block in the back.

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by andrew :: Thu, 11/18/2010 - 10:35pm

Theisman: "not having a go-to receiver is a good thing".

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by RickD :: Thu, 11/18/2010 - 10:48pm

Seems weird that Jay Cutler and Tyler Thigpen are conspiring to educate NFL Network's viewers about the subtleties of the "intercepting and having control when the ball hits the ground" rule.

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by andrew :: Thu, 11/18/2010 - 11:01pm

This actually is very similar to how the Bears were last week vs Minnesota. Defense forces 3rd and longs and prevents their conversion... while Culter plays very well on 3rd down and converts at ton of them... mixed in with a handful of bonehead plays. Biggest difference is the Dolphins defense has been better than minnesota... but I wouldn't be surprised if we see a rash of Thigpen turnovers later...

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by Ambientdonkey :: Thu, 11/18/2010 - 11:14pm

Do I really have to worry about Tyler Thigpen finally catching fire? Is it just a matter of time?

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by RaxGrissman :: Thu, 11/18/2010 - 11:44pm

I think the general thought on Thigpen is he only plays well from the shotgun. It doesn't seem like Sparano knows this.

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by johonny (not verified) :: Fri, 11/19/2010 - 10:58am

I thought that too. Apparently Henning thought watching a little pistol pete or wild cat might be too entertaining for the fans. Instead he gave them that.

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by Boots Day (not verified) :: Fri, 11/19/2010 - 12:01am

I don't think he wants to see Richie Incognito firing a bunch of shotgun snaps back there.

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by RaxGrissman :: Fri, 11/19/2010 - 12:37am

True. That was pretty bad.

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by Big Frank :: Fri, 11/19/2010 - 9:44am

The Bears look like contenders these last two games, but I'm still not ready to crown 'em. Wins against the downtrodden Vikings and the beat-up Dolphins are nice, but they still have show me something more. They face Phili next week, that'll be the real test. Thankfully, that's a home game for the good guys.

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by Eddo :: Fri, 11/19/2010 - 11:48am

If Cutler could get his decision-making under control, the Bears could be a scary team. The defense and special teams are at close-to-2006 levels, which means a lot.

This win reminded me a lot of the previous shutout, at the Jets in 2006. The offense did enough to keep the ball out of the opponent's hands, and the defense was suffocating.

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by Big Frank :: Fri, 11/19/2010 - 12:09pm

Yeah, the Bears are starting to look a lot like the 2006 Bears, and just like in '06, it's the QB that's holding them back the most. If Cutler and Martz can just get it to click I feel like the sky's the limit. It seems like they're right on the cusp of making it happen. I guess we'll find out how far they've come next week when the Eagles come to town.

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by tuluse :: Fri, 11/19/2010 - 3:02pm

No way. The offensive line is no where close to 2006 levels, nor is the secondary.

Cutler is playing way better than the latter half of 2006 Grossman.

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by Chip :: Fri, 11/19/2010 - 3:19pm

Agreed.

The talent level isn't nearly the level of 2006. The only positions that are upgraded over 2006 are QB, DE, SLB. The combo of Peppers / Izzy is probably better than Brown / Goon (Izzy is the worst of the 4). Pisa is an upgrade, but even the 2006 versions of Urlacher, Briggs and Tillman were better than the 2010 versions.

What has improved is (and I can't believe I'm saying this) is coaching. The discipline and gap integrity is better this year than in 2006. The opportunistic and varying blitzes (during and across games) is better. Tackling is also better, particularly in the secondary. Marinelli had really surprised me this year.

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by Jimmy :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 12:18pm

My go.

I'd say that on offense the TEs, WRs and QB are better this year with the OL being a lot better in '06 and for my mind RBs is a wash. On defense DEs are better, LBs are a wash (Pisa is better than Hillenmeyer, Urlacher a bit slower but Briggs still awesome) and the DTs and DBs are worse.

If Major Wright can develop his inner Mike Brown and Tommie Harris can develop his inner Tommie Harris the defense could be scary but both are long shots.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 1:54pm

I'm more concerned with his accuracy.
He overthrows wide open receivers, throws it at their feet...

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by shelterdog :: Fri, 11/19/2010 - 12:58pm

Important question.

What is the name of the woman in the low cut brown shirt in the "Tori Black demonstrates" ad that keeps showing up?

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by Joe T. :: Fri, 11/19/2010 - 2:23pm

Denise Milani. Thats as much of her as you'll ever see, she is a model, not an adult actress.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 1:51pm

So many people don't have ad blocker plus on this site... amazing.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 1:52pm

Ditka is old school. Run... playaction pass.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 2:10pm

put skirts on them..

that's not roughing on Woodley.

wtf

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by Dave :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 2:23pm

Easy PR TD for Mariani after one of the Redskins' gunners gets punched in the face and folds like an accordion as if he had been shot. Nothing looked bad about it, but he stayed down til well after the play had passed him.

Skins get a red zone turnover, but the special teams failure undoes all of that and reset the field position. 7-0 Titans, who are wearing the Uniform combo that would make the kid who did the Nike fakes proud.

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 2:28pm

The commentators didn't seem to notice it, but one of the Redskins pursuing Mariani -- Lorenzo Alexander, a starting OLB and their best special teamer -- also appeared to be injured on the play, likely a pulled hamstring.

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 2:38pm

Russell (the gunner who went down on the punt return) was shown with a nice big bandage on his knee, so I don't think the injury had to do with the punch. Rabach (C) also leaves with an injury.

Also, since you mentioned uniforms: The Redskins are wearing their gold pants with their white away jersey for the first time since they wore a throwback in 2007.

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by Dave :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 2:40pm

Yeah, I wasn't surprised to see it because they wore them with the maroons, but it did look strange.

I figured he wasn't writhing around due to a punch. Maybe it happened as he got a foot caught in the turf or something.

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:09pm

They don't look too strange if you've seen any photos or footage of them from the '70s. Same with the burgundy and golds.

The Redskins now have 5 injuries (Anderson Russell, Alexander, Rabach, Dockery, Portis) midway through the second quarter.

EDIT: As soon as I post this, Rocky McIntosh (ILB) goes down. This is getting absurd!

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by Dave :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:22pm

Oh I know. I like the nod to the older ones. But in recent years they wore white at home and on the road (except Dallas) so the other pants really got burned into my mind.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 2:27pm

refs blow another H2H call against Steelers...

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 2:33pm

Yeah, that one was pretty awful. For those of you not watching but curious: Jacoby Ford jumped high to bring in a Campbell pass. After bringing in the ball but before landing, Ford gets hit somewhat high by a Pittsburgh DB. As Ford continues to fall backwards, Ryan Clark hits him in the back; I believe it was just below the numbers on Ford's jersey. I think the flag was thrown on Clark.

Ford clearly wasn't yet down and Clark hit him relatively low. Strange call.

... And just as I was about to hit "Post," the Steelers are called for their third Personl Foul of the first quarter.

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by ToriBlackDemonstrates (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 2:36pm

Was the call H2H, or was it spearing? Clark definitely led with the crown of his helmet.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 2:39pm

ref on field said H2H , IIRC

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 2:46pm

Unnecessary Roughness
PIT-R.Clark, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at OAK 28.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 2:56pm

I can paste from a PbP log too. Doesn't change what he SAID.

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by bengt (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:21pm

"Head to head contact" was the qualifier.

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 2:40pm

I don't have sound for that game, but even if it was spearing, I think it still might be an incorrect call; don't you have to leave your feet for a hit to qualify as a spear?

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 2:31pm

Anthony Herrera out for the Vikings. They say his return is doubtful.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 2:50pm

Punt return TD Steelers, but I saw 3 illegal blocks and 2 holdings (incl one on the punter)...

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 2:53pm

Derrick Dockery now down for the Redskins. They started the game without Artis Hicks; with Dockery and Rabach now out, the Redskins now have Stephon Heyer , a mediocre backup swing tackle, at RG.

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by Nathan :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 2:56pm

According to whoever is calling the WAS/TEN game a shuttle pass is "like a run only without the possibility of a fumble."

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:50pm

Shovel pass. ;)
Then in that logic, a run is like a shovel pass without the risk of an interception.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 2:57pm

And Steelers are down ANOTHER OL.

Ugh.

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:07pm

Another vikings DB has a pass hit him in the chest, unmolested by any receiver and lets it carom off his pads into the ground.

Next play, they send everyone, get nowhere near Rodgers who calmly rolls out, checks his watch, then drills it to an open Jennings, touchdown packers.

That is a microcosm of the Vikings defense this season. Their failure to hang onto easy picks has cost them dearly..

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by Dave :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:26pm

Even more amazing, considering how much practice they must get with easy picks against Favre during the week.

Down 2 scores in the 2nd half should lead to plenty more fun INT opportunities. I wonder what injury excuse he'll offer for the last pick.

Another Personal Foul on the Steelers as I type. Ha. Seymour justifiably ejected. I wonder what Ben said there. That's just blatant. Can't really blame Kemoeatu for reacting to that. That was bullshit.

BTW, what is it about the Steelers that almost every week they have a very close touchdown? Ben dove for one, and it was the right call, but it seems like every week there's one of those that are very very close.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:25pm

Seymour POS

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by 0tarin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:27pm

OK, I finally feel like there's enough data to see if anyone else is as shocked as I am by Billy Cundiff this year. I'm not sure how it hasn't gotten more coverage (except for the fact that he's only a kicker, I guess), but he appears to be having a career season by his own standards. I did a quick stat lookup and his transformation from last year to this one is (to me) absolutely astounding.

From NFL.com on kickoffs:
Avg yardage 2004: 61.7 with 3 touchbacks (last full season played prior to this one)
Avg yardage 2009: 62.6 with 1 touchback (7 games with Baltimore)
Avg yardage Current: 72.4 with 25 touchbacks (and at least 2 more today, so far)

Granted, there are more statistics that could be shown, but that's the gist of it. How does a guy improve by almost 10 yards per kick in the offseason? Is this more common than I'm thinking?

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:32pm

WOW. You're right -- that's a pretty astonishing jump.

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by 0tarin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:46pm

Make that 3 more, now.

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:28pm

Eventful play in Pittsubrgh: Emmanuel Sanders makes a stellar catch for a TD. Roethlisberger reacts to his nice throw by taunting Richard Seymour, who promptly whacks Ben in the face. Seymour is ejected, and a Steeler OL (Kemoeatu) draws a Personal Foul in the ensuing scrum.

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by Dave :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:34pm

Steve Tasker really likes talking about penetration.

Because my wife and I are five yesrs old, we really like giggling every time.

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by Marko :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:34pm

The second half of the Vikings game may be the last we see of Brett Favre in an NFL game and Brad Childress as an NFL head coach. Barring a Vikings comeback, this may be it for both of them. Favre looked like he was ready to quit after that pick he threw. Assuming he doesn't, he still probably will be benched if they don't win this game. At least he will be able to say he helped the Packers to a victory in his last game.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:36pm

The only way it's the last we see of Favre is if Brad Childress is still an NFL head coach.

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by Nathan :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:35pm

Good call by Weiss/Haley electing to skip the punt from their own 1 inch line with :02 and have Cassel just throw a sky ball instead.

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:43pm

Anthony Herrera, recently interiewed by Muth, is in streetclothes on crutches. Ryan Cook is back in.

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by Dave :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:44pm

Peyton Hillis, who you'd think would be kind of the big thick lumbering type (Hanson on RZC just described him as a pachyderm) just hurdled a Jags defender. That was pretty awesome.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:47pm

He hurdles almost every week

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:49pm

Starting second half, Vikings get Green Bay into 3rd and long, send the house and he ducks past the rush and runs easily for 15 yards. The vikings defense is thoroughly demoralized, a few plays later Jennings spins a DB around who can't even get close for the tackle and he runs for an easy 46 yard TD.

This game (and this season for the Vikings, and this career for Farve) is over.

Odd thing is I think if Favre had just been a little sharper at the start, and they'd had some easier opponents, they could have gotten on a roll and played with emotion like last year and ridden that.

Even though the game is out of reach I expect Favre to take every snap.

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:50pm

DeAngelo Hall has the honor of being the seventh injured Redskin.

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:54pm

Okay, Hall returned after a couple plays, so that doesn't really count...

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:54pm

3rd of the secondary after Rogers and Landry?

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:05pm

Rogers and Landry were out before the game started. I'm talking about injuries that have happened today.

... and while we're on the topic, Santana Moss missed most of the last series.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:08pm

Ah ok.
In the Steelers - Raiders game the announcers were talking about a snowball effect. Logic says it might be an existing phenomena, but I don't have the numbers.

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:55pm

Loadholt is useless... while applying an armbar hold to Clay Matthews several flags hit him and he's like "what, me?" while still holding Matthews.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:55pm

They just showed a highlight of Dallas getting a punt return TD when Detroit tried and failed to down it at about the one yard line. That was a crazy play.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:57pm

by crazy, you mean smart....

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:02pm

No. By "crazy" I mean unusual and surprising.

1. I was describing the play itself, not any player's actions on the play.
2. Crazy and smart are not mutually exclusive.
3. The returner (I can't remember who it was and I only saw the one full-speed replay.) did seemingly make a smart play, yes.

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:58pm

sheez. a couple nice completions had the vikings 1st and 10 at the GB 30. After the Loadholt hold, Favre guns a pass to Harvin off his fingertips and it deflects off that to a Packer db lying on the turf. He bobbles it a bit before it hits the turf. The vikings are so stunned that it isn't a pick that they get delay of game.

The vikings eventually try a 51 yard field goal, which Longwell makes... but they get called for holding on the FG, so they are then forced to punt.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:58pm

Longwell hits a 51-yard field goal to bring the Vikings within 18.
But then Jim Kleinsasser is called for holding.
The Vikings are amazing.

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by Dave :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 3:58pm

Vikings defense getting in fights on the sidelines now. Anyone have odds on Chilly remaining employed tomorrow?

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:09pm

100%. Wilf won't do anything.

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:08pm

I thought Adrian Peterson had at least been decent for the Vikings. Then they show the commercial with the guy fantasizing about him walking out of the pool.

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:08pm

Bills have now cut their deficit to 3 (31-28) after getting themselves in a 21-point hole...

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:11pm

My only consolation this day was a big lead in fantasy football.

But that too has evaporated.... and the guy I'm playing started a roster full of Buffalo Bills.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:11pm

Pick six called back for a personal foul from James Harrison... ugh. 'Driving him to the ground'. He just tackles the guy.
Announcers don't like it either.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:11pm

Campbell killed by Harrison ....

wipes off a pick6.

put skirts on them. death to pussyball

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by MurphyZero :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:14pm

The refs are getting booed non-stop in the game now.

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by MurphyZero :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:11pm

Refs in the Pittsburgh game need to be fired. Cost the Steelers an INT TD on the third BOGUS personal foul of the game.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:14pm

death to Goodell's "pussyball" NFL .

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:21pm

can you hear what the crowd is chanting?

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:22pm

"Refs you suck!"

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:12pm

Vince Young is now out, and Rusty Smith is in at QB for the Titans. It's the Titans' second injury of the game; Jason Jones left in the 1st.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:13pm

Watching Carolina/Baltimore on a second TV, just to watch how lousy St. Pierre is. Averaging less than 3 YPA near the end of the 3rd quarter. Yeesh.

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:15pm

That was remarkable -- there were penalties on something like 5 straight plays in the PIT-OAK game, including the bad Roughing call on Harrison that several have mentioned.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:19pm

It looks like the Steelers take motivation from this. AAAAAAAAAAAnd another penalty. "Knocking someone off the pile".

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:17pm

Steelers have 2x the penalty yards as Raiders total yards almost 40 minutes into the game.

"THE REFS ALWAYS GIVE THE STEALERS THE CALLS!!! DERP DERP DERP"

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by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 4:22am

Yes, because this one game proves the entire trend wrong. Do you even read the FO methodology, dude?

I'm not saying the Steelers or their opponents do or do not get unfair treatment in general, since I don't watch enough Steelers to have an opinion. I just wanted to try to correct bad logic.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 11:08am

Do you even read my post before you troll me?

What part of the word "ALWAYS" is so difficult for you to understand. Always means no exceptions, etc. 100% of all events. No opposite outcomes, etc.

Focus on correcting yourself.

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by billsfan :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 11:43am

It's fun to bait people who not only complain when their team is winning, but complain about other people's (either hypothetically or in the past) complaining about their team, when they're still winning. It's why living in New England as a non-native is so enjoyable.

Now when the officials declare the wrist to be part of the forearm (it isn't), then it's time to start complaining, especially when your offense keeps sputtering in the red zone.

(I also like the Eagles)

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 11:10am

Further, if you don't watch enough Steeler games (your words), how do you know if it's the one "outlier", or whether there's actually a trend to begin with.

Nice fail logic x2.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 1:55pm

How old are you, 13?

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 3:11pm

and people here accuse ME of starting the ad hominems ...

even if I were 13, that would be higher than your IQ-- real world and football both, apparently.

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:18pm

Randy Moss catches an apparent TD pass, but it gets called back on a (justified) OPI. Charles Davis informs the audience that Moss pushed off because he's frustrated. I guess Moss (and Michael Irvin, and pretty much every physical WR in the past two decades) in pretty much every game of his career...

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:19pm

Another phantom 15 yarder...... "picking a man up off the pile"

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:21pm

Is the turf in Tennessee always bad (like in PIT)? The footing has been absolutely atrocious.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:23pm

Gradkowski is in for the Raiders.

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:25pm

Favre just missed 3 straight passes, the last on 4th down. Each of them he simply overthrew his receiver, the last a wide open Gearheart with tons of room to run. He threw it about 5 feet over his head, Toby jumped and managed to graze it with his fingertips.

What does it take to get them to pull the plug on this?

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:26pm

Nothing, only an un-un-retirement.

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by Dave :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:26pm

The refs are basically trying to hand this game to the Cowboys. Barber tackled by the hair, which is legal, and it's ruled a horse collar and free first down.

Between that and the personal fouls in pittsburgh, this does a real number on my friend's "The NFL favors the Steelers and hates the Cowboys" conspiracy theory.

Favre is 13-30 and they're down 21 in the 4th with a team that has given up. Why exactly is he still in the game?

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by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 4:30am

I was frustrated with that call on Suh also. To me it looked as if the refs just didn't know the rule and assumed that it must be illegal. If so, they owe Suh and the Lions an apology.

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by Nathan :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:29pm

Did I miss something? What happened to VY? Who is this guy?

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by Dave :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:30pm

Thumb injury.

Never heard of him.

Hell of a throw just now though.

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by Nathan :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:31pm

His delivery is looooooong...

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by Nathan :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:36pm

http://www.fauowlaccess.com/articles/162/fau-quarterback-smith-ready-to-...

Looks like he tried to change it before the draft. Don't think it worked.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:34pm

Justice. Polamalu interception... no flags on the play.
Followed by a deep pass to Wallace. TD.
This game should've been 50-3 already.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:34pm

Between that Wallace speed, Mendenhall, and the steady emergence of Sanders the Steelers REALLLLLLY need to go to fieldturf.

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:43pm

That's an awfully expensive change to make when your personnel change as rapidly as they do in the NFL. But considering how that field is in pretty bad shape by November every year, it would be nice to see it happen.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:37pm

Zygi Wilf is now discussing with his assistants where he will stay during gameday team visits in Los Angeles in 2012.

Crowd chanting "Fire Childress."

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:38pm

And now Buffalo is winning?

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:43pm

Where will The Bungholes be moved to ?

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:40pm

"FIRE CHILDRESS" chants almost as loud as the anti-ref chants in PIT.

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:41pm

Brian St. Pierre hits David Gettis deep in stride for an 88-yard TD. That play gave St. Pierre 43 more yards than what he totaled in his first 19 attempts.

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by Nathan :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:43pm

Joey Galloway sucks.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:43pm

OAK is punting from the 40 something with 3 yards to go...

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:43pm

Well the packers have enough sense to pull a QB from a game long ago decided. Favre will stay in till the end though.

He just missed another wide open receiver on 4th down.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:44pm

pussyball in dallas

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Briguy :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:50pm

The refs in Dallas need to read up on what a horsecollar tackle is. That's twice now that Detroit has had good plays turn into personal fouls on bogus horsecollar calls.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:51pm

Worse, Pereria is sticking up for them somewhat

He also apparently doesn't know there's more than 1 ligament in the knee.

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by Briguy :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:54pm

Well, I tend to trust Pereria to know what the rule is, and that's making me second-guess my initial complaint. My understanding was that the horse collar rule was very specific in that the defender had to be behind the runner, not coming from the side. I can't find any kind of official rule anywhere online, but I'll keep looking.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 4:44am

The NFL does not publish its rulebook.

And you are correct, a horsecollar tackle is specifically grabbing the shoulder pads from behind in a way that your hand reaches inside them. The call was 100% bogus.

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:56pm

Sure enough the Vikings trot Favre out with 28 seconds left, down 31-3.

The packers expected a kneeldown or a dumpoff but he guns it down the field, overthrowing another receiver who catches it out of bounds. He then checks down on the last play of the game as the receiver is tackled in bounds.

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by Dave :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:57pm

The Browns are about to blow their second straight game because they can't fucking tackle.

They've been awful at that for YEARS. How does that not improve?

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:00pm

At what point do we take the Jags seriously?

I mean I still don't think of them as a contender...

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by CoachDave :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:57pm

/No, this isn't a repeat from weeks 1, 2, 3, 4, etc.

I have never seen a team get so systematically screwed over by the refs week in and week out like the 2010-2011 Detroit Lions.

Sure, they commit some really, really stupid penalties, but in this game alone.

1. Punt Return TD where returner clearly stepped out of bounds TWICE.
2. Incorrect horse collar call #1 that kept a Dallas drive going that resulted in 7 points
3. Incorrect horse call #2

I feel like I post this same message every week and I don't even LIKE the Lions.

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by Marko :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:59pm

Nice collapse, Jets.

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:59pm

Sanchez just threw what looks like a game-ending INT, down 24-23. Ball returned into the red zone. This a play after he had Edwards streaking free but overthrew him.

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by newjamarcus (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:30pm

Yeah, he's just JaMarcus part II. Can't do anything right at all. Right? Right???

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by scottybsun (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 7:03pm

I know there's the whole Sanchez sucks thing on FO and all, but he really played great this game in many ways not shown in his stats. Yes, he'll never have a great completion percentage, but he escaped at least 4 sacks that a less mobile qb would have taken (of course leading to 3 incompletes hurting his %). His INT was a result of his arm being hit on the play (I guess this helps even out for some dropped INTs earlier in the season), but he made no other dangerous bad pickable passes all game. Then, of course, he bails out his defense with three straight great passes to LT, Edwards then Holmes. The running game, Oline, and the entire D did not play well this game, and the passing game bailed them all out.

Also, I know y'all are saying Jets are just lucky. Well, luck definately played a roll in the Detroit, Denver and Cleveland games, but show me ONE instance of the Jets getting lucky by a dumb decision or lay or bad break by the opposition in this one. Sanchez and the passing game won this one- it was not handed to them by lucky breaks.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 4:46am

luck definately played a roll in the Detroit, Denver and Cleveland games

Heh, I know you meant "role," but "roll" adds an interesting twist to that sentence

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 5:08am

It seems I say this every week: It was against the Texans. If you don't look like a hall of famer against them, you aren't playing "great".

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by billsfan :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 8:55am

It helps when your commentators immediately compare every good individual player to a HOFer.

(I also like the Eagles)

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by Briguy :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:02pm

NYJ turns the ball over inside their own 20, down 1, under 2 minutes to go. Do they let Houston score here?

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:03pm

No. FG doesn't put it out of reach. They'll get a minute to work with.

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:05pm

Despite the INT, and the pending chip-shot FG.... I somehow expect the Jets lucky charms to strike again as they win yet another game they probably don't deserve to.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:12pm

heh

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by Dave :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:05pm

I'm just shocked. Washington plays lazily for the FG, throwing over the middle and taking their time, and Gano is about 8 yards short. Overtime.

You just can't ever assume a 45+ FG outdoors in the NFL. Or even indoors. THROW TO THE SIDELINE AND RUN MORE PLAYS!

Idiots!

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:05pm

"They couldn't match the toughness and (gail) if the Steelers."
What is 'gail' or whatever the spelling is?

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by Andy Watkins (not verified) :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 4:16am

"Guile," or cunning. Though that really has nothing to do with toughness, so who knows.

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by Nathan :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:07pm

Aaaand McCoy drops it right in Watson's bread basket and he bobbles it into an INT. as a Pats fan, I'd just like to say that I love our new tight ends.

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by Marko :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:07pm

We'll see if Sanchez can pull this one out. If he can get the ball to midfield so that they can try a last-second Hail Mary, he may be able to, as Houston's defense against Hail Marys is atrocious.

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:10pm

You'd think they'd practice..... um... as I write that Sanchez hits edwards on a long pass to the 5 yard line.

Jason Allen? There was a reason the Dolphins cut him.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:14pm

It looked like Allen was just jogging down the field after Edwards. Pathetic effort, it's like he wasn't even paying attention.

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by Dave :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:09pm

Well, we might as well all just give up on the season. It's clear the Jets are just going to run the table now.

Unbelievable.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:10pm

Kedric Golston leaving the field for the Redskins.

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by BJR :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:10pm

OMG

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:12pm

I suppose given Houston's pass defense this shouldn't be surprising. It is surprising the Jets let it come to this. Good teams stomp bad teams more than they skate, right? The Jets skate every week.

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:25pm

No, that wasn't the conclusion of the "GUTS and STOMPS" article. It's that good teams stomp bad teams more often than average teams do.

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by Joshua Northey (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:36pm

Not to be pedantic but logically we have the following: G(t) > SF(t)

If a team is good, then it stomps comparatively frequently.

In such a case a lack of stomps is indeed evidence that a team is NOT good.

Of course with the NFL having so few data points it probably means very little, but if you say "good teams stomp bad teams more than average teams do", then the OP is right when he infers that a lack of STOMPs is evidence that a team is only average.

Not that I endorse the article or the argument myself.

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by dmb :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 6:55pm

Right, but that's not what andrew said. He suggested that good teams STOMP more often than not. Three or four stomps might be an above-average number for a season, indicating a good team ... but that would be a far cry from STOMPing more often than not.

ETA: To be clear, I wasn't responding at all to his comment about the Jets. I was responding to the statement, "Good teams stomp bad teams more than they skate, right?"

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:12pm

Why are the Cardinals not scoring? Anderson has > 200 yards at 6.5 ypa. Both runningbacks have ca. 5 ypc, and there have been no turnovers or missed FGs. Can someone expand on this?

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by sdf (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:14pm

Fucking Eugene Wilson

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by MJK :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 9:16pm

Why, what'd he do now? For that matter...what the heck team is he playing for now?

--a Pat's fan

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:15pm

10 seconds left. Squib kick to an up-man for Texans, who springs sideways to sideline. Cmon guy, you can give yourself up, would have saved 2 seconds.

game is over after desperation pass into a crowd near the 20.

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Jets last td
by Rich Arpin (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:16pm

Did anyone else think that the outside WR completely boxed out the corner who was playing santonio holmes, it seems like that is some sort of penalty but it is rarely called, if it's ever going to be called, it has to be called there.

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Re: Jets last td
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:18pm

former qb's who are now announcers will call it a "rub" instead of a pick.

heh
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Re: Jets last td
by Rich Arpin (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:28pm

I know that it's supposed to be a rub but the outside WR who cut in seriously hockey hip checked the DB and even had a little bit on an arm grab. They only showed it once, but once I saw it I figured out why the coverage was a bit late

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Re: Jets last td
by Marko :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:35pm

Yeah, I saw that, too and had the same thought that you did.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:19pm

Is the commentary off in the NE IND game?
Sweet!

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:24pm

Unfortunately, I can hear it.

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:20pm

With no hesitation, the Danish announcer proclaims: "Collie is extremely important for Peyton Manning and the Colts, as he, when healthy, has been better than Reggie Wayne."

With exception of Theismann and Millen, I'd take any american announcer over these idiots.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:23pm

you can have bryant gumble and jim spike it on 4th down nantzy then.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 4:50am

What's the problem? Collie *has* been better than Wayne!

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 5:16am

Hardly. I'm guessing Collie sees a lot more single coverage than Wayne.

In any case, you certainly can't just claim this without any sort of justification. The guy didn't cite any statistics or other observations - he simply said than Collie has been better than Wayne.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 1:53pm

Collie: 160 DYAR, 22.5% DVOA
Wayne: 104 DYAR, 0.6% DVOA

Collie has been better.

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by tuluse :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 2:56pm

I think you mis-interpreted what the stats mean. Collie has produced more value than Wayne. That is not the same thing as being better.

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by Paul R :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:22pm

Start of the Colts/Pats game and Phil Simms sounds like he has a little laryngitis. We can only hope.

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by Dave :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:24pm

Jump throw sails into an INT. Was that Eli Manning behind center for the Colts?

Awful line play on every single play so far.

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by Nathan :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:25pm

I HATE how often the Pats go to Morris as the up back on the FB dive on 4th and 1. Hate it. WELKER!

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Morris
by Rich Arpin (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:27pm

You still hate it on 3rd down?

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Re: Morris
by Nathan :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:30pm

yeah, 3rd and 1 i mean... putting morris in at fb on short yardage is basically announcing he's going to get the ball at this point

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Re: Morris
by Rich Arpin (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:47pm

I guess, does Connelly declare run from HB the same way?

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:26pm

Damn knew I shouldn't have picked Welker for my loser league team. I mean, his stats had been near ideal many weeks for it, but still...

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:31pm

Redskins, how can you false start in FG range in overtime? Gano bails them out by hitting a game-winning 48-yarder, but still...

So, let's review Moss's season:

Patriots: 3-1
Vikings: 1-3
Titans: 0-2 so far.

those team sans Moss:

Patriots: 4-1
Vikings: 2-4
Titans: 5-3

totals w/ Moss: 4-6
totals w/out Moss: 11-8

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by Nathan :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:44pm

BJGE is JUST good enough to not be a liability. I can't wait till Taylor comes back...

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by Rich Arpin (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:49pm

I personally prefer BJGE as he'll put his head down and smash forward whereas FT is always looking outside.

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by Nathan :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 5:56pm

Well after that kickoff I think we can at least agree on Gostkowski over Graham.

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by Rich Arpin (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 6:06pm

For sure

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by billsfan :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 6:10pm

I'm pretty sure Phil Simms just gave Tom Brady credit for tackles broken by his receivers

(I also like the Eagles)

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by B :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 6:13pm

I was hoping a sick Simms wouldn't talk as much. No luck.

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 6:13pm

Danish announcers now comparing Danny Woodhead to Barry Sanders.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 6:14pm

That is an absolute WOW.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 7:09pm

WTF?

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 7:34pm

yeahbut... He's a lot like Welker. Or Brian Leonard.

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 6:30pm

I want to see Zygi Wilf on "Undercover Boss", playing a practice squad lineman in the Vikings Training facility...

...

that was amazing by Wayne.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 4:51am

This wins the thread.

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by JonFrum (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 6:31pm

The Patriot's defensive backs can't cover my grandmother. My dead grandmother.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 4:52am

Wow.

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by CoachDave :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 6:36pm

Between the NE secondary and the Colts miserable tackling...this is like watching tennis, not football.

TD, TD, TD, break, TD, TD, TD, break.

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 7:00pm

It seems being consensus one of the best teams in the NFL this year is a curse. Once you are, you lose a game. Even now the Falcons are flirting with a loss with the Rams.

Hence the Jets brilliant strategy. As long as they keep squeaking out wins no one thinks they are impressive enough to be the best in the league.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 7:13pm

The Zebras are the best team in the NFL. They just don't play like it.

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by dbt :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 10:56pm

Does that predict a Bears-Jets superbowl?

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by B :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 7:02pm

Back to back punts? What is this? I thought this was an Arena League game.

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by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 7:41pm

Pats better work off 4 minutes of clock/score here.

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 7:44pm

If Colts score a TD here, and Patriots face and 2 in their own territory on following drive...

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 7:48pm

First and goal for the Rams at the 2. How do they not let Jackson have at least one stab at it?

Bradford has been good all day but throws his first pick.

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by Just Another Falcons Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 7:50pm

Sam Bradford shovel passes to William Moore on 3rd and goal at the 2, should wrap the game up for Atlanta. Weird play call and weird pass location.

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by Paul R :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 7:50pm

I love Blair White giving the safety a little pat on the back after the TD.

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 7:51pm

Let me just pause to say that this Colts/Patriots game has lived up to its billing. This might be the best game of the year... yes I know the Pats dbs aren't that great, but they've also gotten a couple picks.

Manning and Brady have both been great.

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by Paul R :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 8:01pm

DIIEEEEEMM!!1111!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

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by andrew :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 8:05pm

And the Patriots breathe a sigh of relief as Manning throws his 3rd pick in FG range.

What a game.

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by Karl Cuba :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 8:09pm

Put a fok in the niners, they're done. Troy Smith was poor, didn't get much help but he took 5 sacks today because he didn't get rid of the ball in time.

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by B :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 8:09pm

Woah, what an ending. I just couldn't watch the Pats blow another 31-14 lead to the Colts.

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Pats-Colts
by Rich Arpin (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 8:18pm

Tell me about it

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4th and 2 Revisit
by Rich Arpin (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 8:31pm

Is the pats win today after punting on 4th down an indictment of the 4th down play from last year being the wrong call?

They were different in terms of yardage needed but this is almost an exact replication of a game situation and what became. I think the only difference being we haven't seen the 3rd option being a 4th down made to end the game.

Reading on another site it was suggested that going run crazy with 4:00 min left is too early as you are too predictable and you really should be running your regular O so that you can actually gain yardage and score, with time being killed a beneficial side effect.

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Re: 4th and 2 Revisit
by Mr. Show (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 8:41pm

4th and 7 is quite a bit different from 4th and 2.

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Re: 4th and 2 Revisit
by Jonadan :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 8:51pm

Let's realize that 4th and 7 and 4th and 2 are not essentially the same situation.

Now let's realize that the Pats have the W because Manning threw it instead of settling for FG and overtime.

So, no, if anything (and considering how easily the Colts were driving before the INT) you'd come up with an argument favoring going for it here. I think.

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Re: 4th and 2 Revisit
by JonFrum (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 9:42pm

Listen to Belichick. Every game is different, and every down is different. What you do now is not determined by what you did last year. There is no need for any indictment. The right play in a given down is not dependent on the outcome. The play is picked for its probability of success - not some magic knowledge of the future.

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Re: 4th and 2 Revisit
by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 4:54am

Yet they are judged by the populace by some magic knowledge of the past.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Jonadan :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 10:37pm

Now if the Eagles would actually catch passes, I'd be really scared of their offense.

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by Fly Eagles Fly!! (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 10:49pm

Asante Samuel waits till its virtually illegal to hit someone hard to hit someone hard. Another fine on the way!

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by Nevic (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 10:57pm

Too bad the Giants didn't call a timeout when the 3rd down play ended with 25 seconds on the clock. After the FG block they would've had a chance for points. What are the odds that the clock management is screwed up in the first half and it's NOT Andy Reid who is responsible?

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Adam B. :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 11:08am

Thank you for reminding me of this. I was at the game and was mystified by the decision. They had at least 2 time-outs left at the time -- why not give your offense a chance, esp. when the Eagles had the second-half ball?

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Crus :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 11:01pm

This is turning into a close game, and I don't trust the Eagles D in close games this year.

Also, I think fans of both teams can agree the refs are doing a horrible job.

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This week's concussion
by smose (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 11:12pm

goes to Ellis Hobbs...

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Fly Eagles Fly!! (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 11:13pm

The eagles players really get knocked out easily. Equipment issues?

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Cid (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 11:16pm

Did Cris Collinsworth really just say that it's a legal play to hit some one helmet to helmet as long as they're not "defenseless?"

I'm pretty sure that hitting helmet to helmet has been illegal for the past decade at least, but maybe I just imagined all of those fines even on uncalled hits.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by billsfan :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 11:18pm

AFAIK, "defenseless" only refers to a receiver who's not looking, not a guy who's immobilized by two tacklers after having his chin strap undone on a borderline clothesline tackle/facemask.

(I also like the Eagles)

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 12:44am

I wonder how linemen helmets get all scratched up?

Oh, because they hit H2H on almost every drive/play.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Tampa Bay Mike (not verified) :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 11:37pm

Dropped passes, missed throws, Eagles cleverly running Vick up the middle because they have him confused with Tim Tebow or Cam Newton, ridiculously bad blown penalty calls, this game is poorly played and worst of all boring. Bedtime. Did I see Vick almost injure himself again trying to slide? Man he just can't do it.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 11:44pm

Eli might win the title of "dumbest and worst throw to be bailed out by a DPI at the one" for the season after that.

Free TD.

I should be happy, but I'm not. That was simply awful. Dumb decision, falling backwards, underthrown into coverage. Positively Favrian.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Arkaein :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 11:51pm

I thought that at first too, but on replay Manningham had inside position on the CB manned up with him, and if Mikell doesn't run into him then Manningham probably catches the ball (which ends up hitting the first CB who is right behind Manningham).

The refs really didn't have a choice in throwing the flag there, as the contact prevented a very likely completion and was clearly before the ball arrived.

EDIT: I guess I misread your comment. I agree, dumb throw to make. However it was on target (not Favrian today, unless Eli ends up with sub 50% completions).

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 12:06am

It wasn't on target. Manningham had to slow up and basically stand there and wait for it. That's way underthrown. Which is understandable, since he was throwing while basically jumping backwards off of one foot.

I don't dispute the flag or that Manningham could've caught it; I just don't like that such a stupid throw gets rewarded.

BTW - this is the third week in a row we've had Ron Winter in prime time. He's actually doing a reasonably good job not taking over the games with a flag on every play.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 12:26am

Whoops, I jinxed him.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 11:47pm

Wow, those little solar panels and wind things on the Linc are going to look horrible. They couldn't do a better job on the design?

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Rocco :: Sun, 11/21/2010 - 11:56pm

The Giants have, IMO, played like crap for much of this game, and here they are leading.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Paul R :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 12:07am

The Sprint "Doc, I'm out for the season?" commercial isn't so funny during an injury timeout.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Rocco :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 12:22am

How has Coughlin made it this far in the season without killing Matt Dodge with his bare hands?

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Shattenjager :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 12:23am

Arthritis.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Jon Silverberg (not verified) :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 2:58am

+1

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 12:30am

What a great 4th and 1 play call. Loved it even without the last 48 yards.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by RichC (not verified) :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 12:31am

Before I start my rant, let me just state that the Pats DBs aren't the problem. In fact, they're actually pretty damn good.

If I could ask Bill Belichick one question, it would be this:

Is a one-play score such a dire result that in order to prevent it, playing a style of defense that pretty much guarantees your opponent gets 7 points for every 1:30 they posses the ball, instead of sticking wiht the defense thats managed to do a pretty decent job for 45 minutes, actually increases your chance of winning?

I'm really starting to get irritated watching the Pats get out to what should be insurmountable leads, and then with 10+ minutes into the game, going into a super-soft defense, and start running an offense that always calls for runs on 1st and 2nd down. If your standard offense and defense have spotted you a 20 point lead, they're probably a decent bet.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 12:45am

At a certain point, it probably becomes preferable to allow a big play for a score, because then at least it puts your offense out there against their crappy defense with some time to go score again.

That said, remember that when the Colts go no huddle AND hurry up, it's just plain tough to defend no matter what, and you don't have a ton of time or freedom to change the coverages.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by RichC (not verified) :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 12:59am

I agree the colts are tough to defend in that situation, but they're always tough to defend.

The problem I think, is that people still seem to think that the Prevent Defense causes teams to take lots of time off the clock to score. With modern offenses, it doesnt.

Patriots drop into prevent, Colts score every 90 seconds, and score on pretty much every drive.

Pats in their normal defense atleast cause some plays that could be considered failure. Look at that last drive... Pats in prevent, Colts march right down the field. Colts get to about the 40, Pats drop into their normal defense, and it takes a big third down play to get into field goal position. Then the next set they come up with a pick.

Oh, and I'm not saying allow a big play for a score, O'm saying that selling out to prevent that at the expense of being able to prevent the opponent from having a positive outcome on every play is ridiculous.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Andrew Potter :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 1:17am

I agree, wholeheartedly. It makes me long for the days when they were being accused of running up the score.

Although on the other hand it did set up -the- most satisfying way possible to win that game (Manning interception in field goal range when the Colts have the chance to win it). Maybe that was his plan all along.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by MJK :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 1:42am

Thing is, it *might* be partially the DB's. Yes, they went into a prevent in this game, and it almost cost them. But last week, on at least one of Pittsburg's final drives, they were playing just as aggressively as they had been all game, and Ben still found a way to score. I think that the CB's play fine when they have time to scheme and get the defensive calls, and when the offense they're facing is playing by "normal rules", but when the other team gets desparate and more aggressive in their playcalling, and starts running a really aggressive hurry up, I think the Pats' DB's are still too green and inexperienced to take advantage of that aggression and they start getting beat.

The thing is, most coaches are chicken, on offense just like defense. When the score is relatively even, they will call offensive plays more conservatively...try to mix up running plays because "teams that run well win", try to run intermediate passes to keep their offensive balanced, and, obviously, usually punt on 4th down. When a team is down and the game is waning, most reasonable coaches will start getting way more aggressive on offense. The Colts are one of the most extreme examples, but most teams do it. But aggression actually works, on offense as well as defense. Running a bunch of deep passes and using all four downs will succeed more often than it fails, especially if you have a good QB. Teams don't do it all game, but they do late when losing. You have to recognize that a desparate offense is far more effective and harder to deefend than a non-desparate one. And that goes double for the Colts.

If I had to allocate blame for the Patriots crappy defense of their 4th quarter leads, I think it would be about 30% the fault of the DB's (not saying they're bad, just still too inexperienced to handle a good and desparately aggressive offense), 40% the defensive playcalling (I agree with you that the prevent is an awful, awful thing), and 30% the OFFENSIVE playcalling. Yes, offensive.

Look at the Patriots last two offensive possessions. If either one of them pushes even into FG range, it makes life much more difficult on the Colts. It increases the score differential and takes up time, and the Colts needed every second. If either scores a TD, the game is essentially won. Even if either avoids going 3-and-out, Manning has a harder time bringing them back. But what did they do? 3-and-out both times...once run twice into the line and then fail a difficult 3rd down conversion when only up by 3, and once some uber-conservative short pass, ineffective run, and another difficult failed 3rd down conversion. Prior to that, they had scored (and usually a TD) every almost time they had touched the ball. They did the same thing in Pittsburg. I would ask Belichick that...why go so conervative on offense when you're protecting a lead. A conservative clock-killing offensive only actually kills clock if you convert first downs. And you converted plenty with your old playcalling...when change in the 4th quarter?

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 1:54am

Also, it's not as if there was anything particularly daring about their offensive play calling up til that point. They were running well and hitting the open TEs.

Let's not ignore the fact that the Colts D actually started playing like a competent D on those drives. They have a habit of improving when their backs are against the wall. Not sure what's up the rest of the time.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by RichC (not verified) :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 9:26am

"Let's not ignore the fact that the Colts D actually started playing like a competent D on those drives"

But is that really what happened? The Patriots have been consistently awful in the 4th quarter all year, and with leads have consistently gone into Run on 1st and 2nd down, 3rd and long mode in the 4th quarter. Its a lot easier to stop a team when you know exactly what they're trying to do, and when they're trying to do it with Ben-Jarvus Green-Ellis.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by RichC (not verified) :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 9:24am

"Look at the Patriots last two offensive possessions. If either one of them pushes even into FG range, it makes life much more difficult on the Colts. "

I'm gonna go further, and say what I said in the AFC championship a couple years back: If any one of their 4th quarter drives got more than a single first down, it probably wouldn't have been close. All they needed was a couple consecutive first downs.

Also, its not the running I'm complaining about. Its the running consistently on 1st and 2nd, and putting yourself in 3rd and long.

I honestly don't think the DBs are the probl;em. While they're certainly inexperienced, I think the problem lies where it has been for years: the patriots have no pass rush. A rusher got close to Manning probably 5 times all night last night, and 3 of them turned into turnovers.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 10:07am

Wouldn't that also be because Peyton Manning doesn't care if there's pressure? He steps away and still delivers an accurate pass. He does well under pressure.
Ben Roethlisburger is more a scrambling type, where pressure works against.
So I understand that the Patriots were more aggressive vs Ben than vs Manning.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 6:28am

This year's list for Santa:
- a new bike
- may my GF return home safely
- a losing record for whoever wins the NFC West

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by SteveNC (not verified) :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 1:31pm

No comments from Raiderjoe in this thread?

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Moridin :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 9:46pm

Well, that was an interesting offensive show by the Broncos. Who gave them a playbook with running plays that work?

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by TimK :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 9:46pm

No idea if the Denver Defense can slow down San Diego enough, but having their OL fully healthy has done wonders for their offense last week and a drive.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Moridin :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 9:59pm

Whew. For a minute I thought the SD special teams might move their rating upwards.

Well, no runs on that drive, but the Denver O line certainly did their part. I'm all for them getting their run game back on track and having a good shot at the AFC west... if their D can hold up a little.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Moridin :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 10:05pm

heh. That worked... really well. I'm not sure anyone for Denver even knew that fake was happening until the ball was in the air.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Moridin :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 10:08pm

I... just really don't know what to say about the Yogi Bear movie/trailer. The word 'travesty' just doesn't quite cut it.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by TimK :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 10:22pm

I'm listening to the game on radio. Starting to think I might be glad to not be watching if only for that!

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by billsfan :: Tue, 11/23/2010 - 8:55am

Traveshamockery?

(I also like the Eagles)

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Moridin :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 10:33pm

Not sure asking a fullback to cross over and backwards in time to pick up a blind-side blitzing linebacker is a good protection scheme design. Either that, or that fullback is not in Orton/McDaniel's good graces right this moment.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by MJK :: Tue, 11/23/2010 - 1:40am

I just parsed that sentence wrong. I thought you were saying that the scheme called for the fullback to travel backwards in time in order to pick up the blitzing linebacker...

Of course, if a player could travel backwards in time, he would be good at blitz pickup!

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by DEW (not verified) :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 10:57pm

Man, who is this guy who stole Patrick Crayton's jersey? First there was that one play where he stiff-armed a safety for about fourteen yards' worth of field down the sideline, and now he fakes people out of their socks on that screen where he should have ended up with jack-all nothing and instead gets a TD. Of course, burned all his karma and hurt his hand on the play, but still...wow.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Nathan :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 11:00pm

he's having a good game... i remember him making an eye popping play last week too.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by DEW (not verified) :: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 11:27pm

And now Darren Sproles, for the first time in my memory at least, actually does what his press releases say he can do and goes the distance in the open field...

So Denver plays three division games, gets annihilated by Oakland, beats the tar out of KC, and now is getting curb-stomped by SD (pending the entire second half, of course; we all saw what happened in BUF/CIN).

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by loneweasel (not verified) :: Tue, 11/23/2010 - 1:09am

Remember when Orton was an improving elite QB who was obviously better than Cutler? Me neither.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Jonadan :: Tue, 11/23/2010 - 11:31am

Alternatively, San Diego has a good defense.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Jjohnson (not verified) :: Tue, 11/23/2010 - 1:17am

Phil Rivers gets it. In his post game presser, he said "when you have balance, you get the carries you want in the high 20s and 30s, it's usually when you're ahead and you're able to run it 10 to 12 times in the fourth quarter, almost consecutively, to finish teams off." He must be a reader of the site.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Scott C :: Tue, 11/23/2010 - 1:57am

He's been saying stuff like that for a while. Years. Though this year with all the big yardage its been the other side of it -- stuff about how he wouldn't have so many yards if they weren't behind in games.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by Byrk (not verified) :: Tue, 11/23/2010 - 2:33am

Rivers is a smart QB, he got a bad rap early, but that's because he also runs his mouth a bit. For example, they had a 3rd and 18 and he threw it deep to a receiver covered one on one by Bailey. Gave his player a chance to come down with it, and it ended up being taken away and picked instead. In other circumstances you might consider this a bad throw. However, let's look at the result, the Broncos get the ball on the 15 yard line and the Chargers avoid punting.

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Re: Week 11 Open Discussion Thread
by JJohnson (not verified) :: Tue, 11/23/2010 - 3:29am

That pick basically equates to a 45 yard punt, and like you said, the historically bad punt team didn't have to take the field.

The punt team wasn't that bad tonight, they even picked up a first down on their own. If I remember correctly, all of the blocked punts this year have all been when San Diego is backed up inside their own 20. I'm not sure if there is any significance to that, but the two against the Raiders, and the one against the Titans were when the Chargers were deep in their own territory.

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