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05 Dec 2010

Week 13 Open Discussion Thread

Talk about the Week 13 games here!

Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 05 Dec 2010

283 replies , Last at 07 Dec 2010, 9:21am by Rocco

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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by Rich Arpin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/02/2010 - 10:19pm

Is anyone watching the thursday nighter or is this just too much field action in one week?

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by Crus :: Thu, 12/02/2010 - 10:22pm

I'm watching. Debating whether to mute the commentary or not.

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by BJR :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 7:52am

I was sitting here in London flicking between this game and the second Ashes test match between Australia and England (cricket) if that's what you were referring to? What do you mean no????

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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by Karl Cuba :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 12:52am

3 down at tea on day four, looking good.

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by Marko :: Thu, 12/02/2010 - 11:27pm

I am watching. Some comments:

1. The Texans defense is awful. But we already knew that.

2. The Eagles defense looks pretty bad too.

3. I think Michael Vick is going to get hurt again before this season is over. He is taking way too many shots.

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by Crus :: Thu, 12/02/2010 - 11:39pm

Samuel being out has a bad trickle down effect on the Eagles secondary, it all falls to pieces without him or Hobbs because there's not enough talent/speed/experience to cover for all the mistakes the backups are making.

I also think Parker being out at LDE is a pretty bad too because he was getting good pressure before the injury and flushing QBs to Cole and the DTs, or vice versa.

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by SFC B (not verified) :: Thu, 12/02/2010 - 11:42pm

I didn't believe my eyes that a Texans DB intercepted a pass from a QB not named Rusty.

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by RickD :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:28am

Joe Theismann is telling us that Philly cannot succeed unless they start rushing the ball more. Has he watched any Eagles tape at all?

Sure enough, the Eagles proceed to ignore his advice and pass their way down the field.

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by Mr Shush :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:38am

More to the point, has he watched any Texans tape? They're not very good at stopping the run, it's true, but compared to their complete and total inability to cover anyone at all their run defense looks like the 2000 Ravens.

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by RickD :: Thu, 12/02/2010 - 11:50pm

Matt Millen: "You better hold onto your TV clicker because this one is far from over."

Um, if the game is far from over, shouldn't I put the clicker down?

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by SFC B (not verified) :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:06am

Did Celek got Helmet-to-Helmet on Pollard? The replay wasn't clear.

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by Harris :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:26am

Either the Eagles are the most undisciplined team in the NFL or Philadelphians have reason to be paranoid.

Hail Hydra!

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by RickD :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:28am

Hey - a timely comment by Theismann!

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by RickD :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:29am

And Houston promptly fumbles on the next play, sealing Philly's victory.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:28am

Andy Reid clock management passing it on 3rd down WTF. LOL.

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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by Raiderjoe :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:40am

[icked Eafles to cover . Spreaf a little too low in this one,. got it right . Wafkes cover spread. Nice 1-0 start to start week.

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by kamchatka (not verified) :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 7:29am

What are "wafkes?"

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by mathesond :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 11:10am

WAFKES - potato waffles. Good with sour cream or maple syrup!

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by Jon Silverberg (not verified) :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 3:03am

Not apple sauce? +1

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by Raiderjoe :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 2:03pm

Wafkes= Eaglrs. Was leaning a little left on keybosrd last night.

Bigger questoin is what does wesolych swiat mean? Saw it onbag of Polish cream fidge candies with drawing of cow on it which bought st Polish butcher shop Daturday. Also got kabanosy and rollmops and pierogies. Yum yym in tum tum.

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by Jimmy :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 1:59pm

Bigger questoin is what does wesolych swiat mean?

Season's Greetings. Marvel at the power of the intergoogle!!!!

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by Semigruntled Wafkes fan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 6:54pm

The biggest question is: how did a Polish phrase remain orthographically accurate when typed by Raiderjoe?

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by BJR :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 7:50am

The Wafkes were never going to score fewer than 30 points in this game, but the Houston offence is really very good and will keep them in games even when their defence is getting shredded. I wouldn't be backing many teams to beat them by more than a touchdown.

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by Raiderjoe :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 6:58pm

Hit this oen right on ehad. Worked out formula before ever lookgin at line. Numbers said if Eagles favored by 9.5 or less, take Eagles. Turned out line was 8 so had to take Eafles.

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by Roy G (not verified) :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:41am

Houston was second in the league in offensive DOA, so holding them to 24 points is a good effort, especially missing 3 starters on defense. Philly actually converted in the red zone for once... all 4 of their touchdowns were from inside the 5.

Vick is taking shots AND he's not getting protection from the refs. He got head slapped (just as bad as Cole slapped Manning a few weeks ago) and he got hit below the waist in the pocket and neither were called.

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by MJK :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:31pm

I wonder if Manning gets calls Vick doesn't get, just because of their relative reputations...

Or possibly because the Colts wear white and the Eagles were a dark, almost black, color.

Seriously, I was just reading an interesting study that showed, over the last 30 years or so in football, basketball, and hockey, that teams that wear dark colors, (especially black) have more "aggression" type fouls (personal fouls or DPI in football, for example) called against them and fewer called for them, than teams that wear white or bright colors, and the results are statistically significant. And two teams that have switched from one uniform style to the other in that time period (I can't remember which ones...) showed a corresponding jump or decrease in their fouls when they switched.

The theory is that people tend to view people wearing black or near black as being more rough and aggressive than people wearing white or bright colors, and hence the ref's perception of a given hit is colored (pun intended) by the colors the players are wearing.

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by NJ (not verified) :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 1:32pm

Except that the Colts wear blue half the season when they're at home and the Eagles wear white half the season when they're away?

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by MJK :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 5:13pm

But the Eagles were wearing their dark green home unis last night. I don't remember for sure, but weren't the Colts wearing their white uniforms when Manning got the roughing call?

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by Raiderjoe :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 6:13pm

Yes, Clots were wearing white jerssyes that game vs Phailapedia but had blue helemts.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:35pm

Schaub got hit in the head in that game much like Vick and the aforementioned Manning hit without a call. He doesn't have the right last name to get such a call yet.

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by young curmudgeon :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 2:35pm

The NFL would be vastly improved if Raiderjoe was allowed to name all the teams. "Wafkes" is one of the best names ever and the "Clots," albeit a bit more obvious, is good, too. There are probably others I don't remember. I enjoyed Easterbrook's "Flaming Thumbtacks," but Raiderjoe has moved not just to another level, but to another dimension. I can't wait for the crowd at Chicky and Pete's to chant "W...A...F...K...E...S.............Wafkes!"

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by stay firm (not verified) :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 2:58pm

Who can forget the Loins?

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by young curmudgeon :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 3:11pm

Evidently, I can, but I'm embarrassed to have done so. Go Loins!

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by Marko :: Sat, 12/04/2010 - 1:24am

Don't forget Cjefs, Beras and Pates.

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by CathyW :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 6:57pm

I would pay cash money to hear that.

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by Russ Thomas (not verified) :: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:50pm

Call me nuts but does anyone else see the KC vs. Denver a trap game for the Chiefs? KC is coming off a road win against Seattle while the Broncos are coming off a pretty bad loss against the Rams. Dewayne Bowe will draw Champ Bailey (who by the way is looking for tape for teams to sign him this offseason) allowing the rest of the team to focus on the KC running game. Finally, who does Kansas City play next week...THE SAN DIEGO CHARGERS.

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by RickD :: Sat, 12/04/2010 - 12:53am

The Chiefs are very reliable at home, are well-coached, and McDaniels is positively beleaguered by now. I would favor the KC Patriots over the Denver Patriots in this one. The Chiefs aren't good enough to be overlooking anybody.

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by Alexander :: Sat, 12/04/2010 - 1:58am

Don't you know. Trap games don't exist. So said AAron on the BS report.

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by Chiefsfan12000 (not verified) :: Sat, 12/04/2010 - 4:27am

For the record Denver's DVOA Rank against #1 WRs is 18, Seattle is 17(we all know how last week went) and Bowe caught 13 of 18 passes for 186 yards and 2 TDs in Denver so it doesn't look like Bailey is going to be able to limit Bowe any better than other teams have.

There are 5 Chiefs player changes that could have a significant impact this week. Chiefs CB Brandon Flowers is listed as questionable (hamstring) but some KC media say he will be out. That is a major loss. On the positive side RB Dexter McCluster, FS Kendrick Lewis and FS Jon McGraw will be back. McCluster is a key factor in keep everyone but Champ Bailey out of the box. Lewis is our starting FS and McGraw is his backup. They are much better than Donald Washington so that should help limit the damage Orton can do. The fifth player change is the 12th man in the stands which always helps (that and increased oxygen at 889 feet above sea level).

Denver lists the following players as OUT - S Brian Dawkins, CB Andrew Goodman, S Darcel McBath, WR Demaryius Thomas.

As for it being a trap I don't think so. Last year Charles pulled himself from the game with 259 yards rushing. This year I think the Chiefs would like nothing better than to have Charles set a new NFL rushing record against Denver. At least that's my interpretation of the handshake incident.

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by BJR :: Sat, 12/04/2010 - 10:36am

Lets just hope they aren't 28-0 down after the first quarter this time.

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by Russ Thomas (not verified) :: Sat, 12/04/2010 - 11:46pm

With the exception of two games I think Denver's pass defense has been OK. The game Bowe had against Denver the game was pretty much in hand early on.

Game #1 vs. Jax Mike Sims-Walker not a factor
Game #2 vs. Sea Deion Branch 4 catches 31 yds
Game #3 vs. Ind Wayne 4 catches 65 yds no TDS
Game #4 vs. Ten Nate Washington 4 catches 42 yds (Before Britt went off)
Game #5 vs. Bal A. Boldin 1 catch 8 yds
Game #6 vs. NYJ Edwards 4 catches 46 yds 1 TD (32 yds on the TD)
Game #7 vs. Oak Murphy 2 catches 29 yds. (Raiders ran for like 4,000 yds)
Game #8 vs. SF Crabtree 3 catches 53 yds 1TD
Game #9 vs. KC Bowe 13 catches 186 yds 2 TD (A lot made in garbage time)
Game #10 vs. SD Crayton 3 catches 105 yds 1 TD
Game #11 vs. St.L Amendola 4 catches 41 yds.

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by Jeff M. (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:01am

Is DVOA against #1 receivers really a useful stat?

Most of the effect of having a true shut down corner should be to prevent the #1 WR from being targeted.

Wouldn't we actually want to look at a counting stat (like opponent #1 WR DYAR) to get an idea of how good a team is at shutting down the opponent's top wideout?

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:12pm

Bengals have 4th and inches near midfield, decide to punt. John Lynch says it's a good idea because the Saints are so explosive in the 1st quarter (they highlighted that they have the best scoring differential in the 1st quarter). You know John, holding on to the ball by converting 4th and inches is an even better way to prevent them from scoring.

And after about 3 plays the Saints are at that part of the field anyway.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:16pm

And now we've got an absolutely atrocious running into the punter penalty that moves the Saints into FG territory. The Week 13 Oscar goes to Thomas Morstead.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:15pm

In Buffalo we're getting a our first look at Tavaris Jackson this season. At least he knows to throw deep on a free play, hitting Sidney Rice for 50 yards or so. Three plays later, he overthrows a wide-open Berrian on 3rd down.

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by Nathan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:17pm

What happened to ol' stubbly?

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:18pm

So far all they've said is it's a shoulder injury and he's questionable to return. He got hit and landed on his shoulder.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:20pm

He got driven to the turf on the Vikings' first series. They're saying shoulder injury, questionable... But after watching the replay, I'd say there's no way he's coming back.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:25pm

He has now left the field.

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by Nathan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:16pm

Delhomme is at 1 TD / 6 INT in 90 attempts this year? Can ANYONE explain why he is starting over Wallace?

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:48pm

Injuries.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:17pm

Anyone know where Gus Johnson's crew is this week?

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:19pm

Jax@Ten

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by Nathan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:21pm

He's got getting away from the cops speed!

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:19pm

Titans/Jags.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:21pm

Thanks, guys.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:21pm

Jacksonville goes for it on 4th and 1 on the 11 and get a TD. Love it when the payoff is that big.

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by Nathan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:35pm

KC put in Vrabel and the DT from last week in goal to go and actually went to neither of them.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:41pm

And now, on 4th and 12 from the NO 30, the Bengals go for it. And make it. So 12 yards is go for it distance but inches is not. Why am I even watching this game?

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:42pm

After not messing up the snap, Matt Dodge punts a beauty and the Giants make a great special teams play that pinned the Redskins to their own 5.

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by DEW (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:44pm

Watching CLE/MIA with Gumbel and Dierdorf, and wonder of wonders the 'Dorf is actually refraining from saying anything particularly stupid...but he did manage to give way to his natural instincts and refer to Richie Incognito as "showing Pro Bowl qualities."

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by Nathan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:51pm

How bout that last gem... "any drive that ends up in a kick isn't that bad... even if it's a punt."

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 3:04pm

Wha?

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by DEW (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 3:40pm

If he'd just said, "At least it wasn't another turnover," there'd be some validity (of the terminally obvious sort) there. As phrased, though...ouch.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:44pm

Tavaris Jackson 2010 has discovered the secret to Brett Favre 2009 -- chuck it up for Sidney Rice! He makes a mediocre throw to Rice who is double covered at the 1-yard line, but Rice makes an absolutely mind-blowing effort for the ball and (after a review) comes up with the touchdown. (Of course, he pushed McKelvin out of the way on the play, and should have been called for OPI... maybe he learned some moves from Moss.)

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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:46pm

Jason Pierre-Paul has landed his 2nd sack of the game. Perhaps we need to improve SackSeeker?

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by Nathan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:47pm

or maybe Washington's o line is atrocious

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:53pm

Ain't just the O-line; Derek Hagan has been burning HiZ and no one wants to tackle Brandon Jacobs or Ahmad Bradshaw.

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by dmb :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 4:11pm

Most of his catches have come against Philip Buchanon in what looked like man coverage.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:50pm

Sacks against Washington should only count as half. Their line is really bad.

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by dmb :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 3:54pm

Stephon Heyer has been in at LT for much of the game, and he's been getting beaten like a red-headed stepchild by whichever NYG lineman happens to be across from him. For some reason, FOX thinks it would be better to have their sideline "reporter" goof off with caution tape behind the end zone rather than, say, give some explanation as to why the Redskins' starting left tackle has left the game. Or even mention that their starting left tackle has left the game.

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by Nathan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:55pm

Garrard on a naked boot.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:56pm

Great catch by Fletcher on the INT. Stupid, stupid, stupid decision by Eli Manning. Just completely idiotic in the endzone with 4 men covering one guy.

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by Nathan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 2:59pm

T Jack scrambles for a 1st down and draws a roughness penalty after getting hit sliding feet first... he looks fired up.

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by JonFrum (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 3:09pm

I call Shenanigans on 'T Jack.'

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 3:16pm

Ahmad Bradshaw rushes for his 2nd touchdown after both he and Jacobs gash the Redskins defense. The winner of today's raffle @ Giants Stadium will get a chance to run for a goal-line touchdown.

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by DEW (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 3:21pm

60-yard FG by Carpenter to tie up the CLE/MIA game right before halftime!

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by Nathan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 3:58pm

Joe Haden making plays all over this game

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by dmb :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 3:59pm

Unusual shot in WAS-NYG: Shanahan drops a challenge flag in front of a ref after a somewhat close call, and an assistant jumps in front of Shanahan to pick it up. I've never seen a head coach vetoed like that before!

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 4:03pm

Unsurprisingly enough, Brandon Jacobs scores his 2nd rushing touchdown. The Giants have scored their touchdowns by running the ball down the Redskins throats.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 4:08pm

Question: Was Aaron Rodgers so unimpressive during his final year to the NFL Draft that everyone thought Alex Smith and Jason Campbell were better options? There's seriously nothing I can find to justify this.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 4:27pm

I remember there being concern about his college offense and his durability. I really don't remember anything more specific than "can he stay healthy in the NFL?" and "he didn't play in an NFL offense."

However, Jason Campbell was picked after him.

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by dmb :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 4:47pm

IIRC, a big deal was made of the fact that a few other quarterbacks had had the same college coach (Jeff Tedford? I don't follow college football, so that might not even be a person...), were picked high, and failed to pan out. I think Kyle Boller was one, and I believe there were one or two others.

ETA: I was actually right about the coach's name. According to Wikipedia, Tedford coached the following QBs during their college careers, all of whom were chosen in the 1st round:

-Trent Dilfer
-David Carr
-Akili Smith
-Joey Harrington
-Kyle Boller

... so I can understand why that might cause people to have some hesitations about Rodgers.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 4:40pm

Smith didn't play in an NFL offense, either. Or was this during the time when the Urban Meyer offensive system didn't have a bad rep?

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 6:07pm

I don't remember hearing that about Smith at the time. I have since. I don't know if it was for some reason not a concern at draft time, if I just didn't hear it, or if I've just forgotten it in the intervening five years. The one thing I can remember is that he was supposed to be extremely intelligent--that may have at least helped mitigate any concern pros had about the system.

I also hate college football, so I have no idea beyond what I can remember hearing then.

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by dmb :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:21pm

I remember hearing concerns that Smith hadn't really played under center at all, though I also remembered what you mentioned -- he was considered to be very smart. (I think he got his bachelor's in something like 5 semesters...)

And Human Spider, Tedford had a long history of making QBs look very good in college, only for them to not live up to their draft status in the pros. (See the list above.) As far as I know, there wasn't as much of a "book" on Urban Meyer QBs at the time.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 4:09pm

Sorry. 49er-like double post mistake.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 4:21pm

Terrell Thomas: You kneel down in the endzone after the INT. Thank you.

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New Orleans - Cincinatti
by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 4:25pm

20-18 to New Orleans in the fourth quarter after a Cedric Benson touchdown, Cincinatti kick the extra point instead of attempting the two point conversation.

Why?

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 4:34pm

I'm assuming because the last time they tried to go for two, they wound up failing. Miserably. Or you could chalk it up to bad coaching.

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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 4:37pm

Dear Fox,

When pointing out a defensive front, it's okay to use the teleprompter to CIRCLE things. When you use a makeshift magnifying glass, it's noticeable and annoying. Please don't do it again. Ever.

Signed,

Football fans

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by spenczar :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 4:45pm

Brian Billick is talking like he thinks Aaron Rodgers is the best quarterback in the league.

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by dmb :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 4:51pm

Reggie Bush shows off his crossover, though I think that was traveling...

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 5:01pm

The Washington Redskins have fumbled the ball more times than Ahmad Bradshaw has this game. D-Mac threw another interception. Ballgame.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 5:08pm

LMAO @ The Bungles.

epic fail.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 5:11pm

even worse! wtf palmer.

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by scottybsun (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 6:18pm

I would love to see the reaction if the Jets got that gift from the Bengals. Somehow, they are the only lucky team, but the Saints are not. blurgh

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by Semigruntled Wafkes fan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 6:39pm

Evidently you've missed (or ignored) much of the commentary on the Chicago Bears.

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by BJR :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 5:23pm

Beautifully executed play by Oakland on 4th & 1 there. I'm being serious.

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by BJR :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 5:36pm

Bodybag alert in San Diego: Brandon Siler and Antonio Garay have already left the game for the Chargers.

This feels eeriely similar to the first Raiders/Chargers game of the year.

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by Harris :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 5:53pm

I know the Manning is missing Clark, Garcon hasn't progressed as everyone expected and the Colts OL is not good, but he's making really terrible decisions. What's wrong with him?

Hail Hydra!

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by B :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 6:04pm

The field in Tampa is just terrible. I know there was a college game there yesterday, but my god. Players are falling down left and right.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 6:26pm

Falcons/Bucs is looking like the favorite for best game of the day.

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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by aRX (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 6:32pm

If the point of rule changes is long-term player safety, then please NFL remind me again how hits like the one on Sproles are "OK"?

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 6:35pm

Because Harrison wasn't involved.

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 6:37pm

Uh... I think helmet-to-helmet hits are illegal only on a defenseless player, i.e. one in the process of throwing or catching a pass.

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by aRX (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 6:54pm

But thats my point; they go on and on about player safety, but same contact, same speed, same impact, same kind of results...and thats just good clean football!?

Also, if the NFL doesn't think a runner can be defenseless, even when he hasn't fully turned upfield yet and can't react in time to a defender coming right at his head, then the whole 'safety' angle is BS.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:04pm

Well it's not possible to isolate precisely every player who is ever going to be 'defenseless' in any sense, but you can at least give some conditions (throwing/catching) under which guys clearly are. I guess the thinking is that the guys who aren't in the middle of throwing or passing and are just running with the ball can and will lower their heads as contact is made, and then you open up that whole can of worms, who was the one that initiated the helmet-to-helmet, etc.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:28pm

However, the league has SAID that it's concerned about player safety. Concussions/trauma/etc aren't minimized because a player is supposedly not "defenseless".

Hell, the worst effects come to linemen from the accumulated lifetime of little traumas that nobody notices or cares about as they butt heads on almost every single play.

It's pure hand-waving PR to move towards the 18 game season. "We care... ! We care...!" (That, and to protect their most $ valuable golden boys at "skill" positions)

Either hits to the head, particularly h2h hits, are dangerous, or they aren't. Remove them from the game, or don't. No middle ground for only enforcing them for certain players/situations.

Disgusting.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:34pm

(That, and to protect their most $ valuable golden boys at "skill" positions)

I'm fine with that; the fewer god-awful backup QBs I have to watch in a season, the better.

Either hits to the head, particularly h2h hits, are dangerous, or they aren't. Remove them from the game, or don't. No middle ground for only enforcing them for certain players/situations.

So if you can't solve the problem completely, then don't bother doing what you can to mitigate it?

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:37pm

So, if you're really good at RB or OL, and want to play to make a living, you should be forced to expose yourself to vastly greater risk of permanent brain trauma--- because the league can't enforce prevention--- but if you're good at QB or WR, you shouldn't?

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:39pm

seems like something that OSHA might care about ?

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:46pm

So, if you're really good at RB or OL, and want to play to make a living, you should be forced to expose yourself to vastly greater risk of permanent brain trauma--- because the league can't enforce prevention

Sure, I guess. (Although how about "play to make million of dollars" instead?) Do you have a better idea?

but if you're good at QB or WR, you shouldn't?

I'm not sure how to interpret "should" in this situation. I guess it's unfair that QBs and WRs often find themselves in situations where they can unambiguously be judged "defenseless" when guys on the line or running the ball do not.

Andy Reid was pissed this week that Vick was taking so many shots in the game. "C'mon NFL, he's a QB!" was the gist of his argument, I believe. Well, guess what? QB or not, Vick isn't defenseless on those plays, so the league isn't going to hear it.

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by BJR :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 6:33pm

Darren Sproles is concussed after what looked like a blatant helmet to helmet by Rolando McClain. Unflagged.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 6:34pm

But the announcers said he was "leading with his shoulder" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so no harm, no foul. you heard it there.

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by aRX (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 6:56pm

Too bad he wasn't a QB. Then he would've got the flag after just a shove. (no, I'm not happy about that call on Suh either)

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by Tampa Bay Mike (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 6:45pm

Yes! The creamsicles are back! I love the original Buc's uniform. They were especially awesome back when the defense was dominant. There's nothing better than an intimidating defense donned in wimpy colors. It's like you're constantly mocking the opponent that you're beating down. Fear the creamsicle!

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:10pm

This is a pretty good game. I haven't watched the Bucs in ages, but they look pretty good today.

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by Tampa Bay Mike (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:37pm

Yeah, they're not as fun to watch as they were with Sapp/Brooks/Lynch but they're pretty competitive. It's hard to get used to them just having an ok defense though.

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by Harris :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 6:57pm

Good God, the Colts running game is abysmal. And why is a team best known for the zone stretch ramming the less-than-legendary Donald Brown into the middle of the line over and over again?

Hail Hydra!

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by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:17pm

The Manning face is back ladies and gentleman. I'm surprised the announcers are actually calling out Manning instead of just blaming his WRs.

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by BucNasty :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:21pm

I really can't believe we got that challenge.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:25pm

Why? It was pretty clear on replay.

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by BucNasty :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:31pm

Seemed kinda ticky tack. It hit the ground and moved but it never truly slipped out. If that happened as he was going out of bounds I'd expect it to be overturned, but I was bit surprised to see it go our way in the middle of the field.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:39pm

Frankly, as a neutral observer, I was wondering why they were even bothering to ask Mike Pereira about it. That said, I didn't notice that the ball had come out until I saw the replay, so heads up by Morris to challenge. (And to have saved the challenge on that Winslow play at the sideline.)

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by Tampa Bay Mike (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:31pm

I'll never understand why teams give up the strategic advantage of the defense not knowing what you are going to do on third and one. The Bucs line up in their standard short yardage fail package and the the coach does some CYA by not going for it again on 4th and inches.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:35pm

Freeman seems like he'd be a beast on the sneak... do they run that much?

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by Tampa Bay Mike (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:40pm

They do occasionally but its the same type of play, everyone in tight and run it up the middle where the defense expects it. From what I've seen, it's not very effective.

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by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:44pm

And here comes the San Diego comeback. Heart attack time for the Raiders fans.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:54pm

Well, you faked me out... I switched to that game just in time to see Campbell throw a 37 yard pass to the 9.

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by Whatev :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:28pm

I totally thought that was a stuffed run at first.

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by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:37pm

Never underestimate my ability to not have any fucking clue about what the Chargers are doing. :P

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by Whatev :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 9:53pm

Well, Gus, it's a mystery to everybody.

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by Tampa Bay Mike (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:49pm

Initially I thought that wasn't a pick, but looking at the replay it looks like it was.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:50pm

Lynch totally caught that, Bucs fans.

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by Tampa Bay Mike (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:54pm

There's that short yardage fail lineup again.

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by BucNasty :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 7:55pm

I actually predicted the option when I saw Earnest alone back there. It worked so well against the Saints a few years ago. Fantastic play.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:00pm

Yeah... sorry about praising Raheem Morris for his lack of dumb challenges, by the way.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:04pm

I'm not able to watch the game, but every pass Peyton has thrown here on this last drive that's been completed as gone to Reggie Wayne. Now I'm no coach, but wouldn't you triple-cover Wayne given how he's the one good receiver they have left and make Pierre Garcon beat you? Am I nuts?

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:15pm

Gerald Sensabaugh was hurt the play before (of course, all the Colts fans figured he was faking it) and I think it must have been chaos in the Dallas secondary after that. But yeah, it was pretty absurd.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:16pm

"Chaos in the Dallas secondary" seems to be the natural order of things for the Cowboys this year.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:21pm

Well, Sensabaugh was back in for the first drive of overtime (we hear you, Colts fans) and the very first play was an incomplete pass intended for Wayne.

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by Tampa Bay Mike (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:14pm

Gotta love the three man rush.

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by BJR :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:18pm

The Raiders win in San Diego, and it was absolutely no fluke, (unlike the victory earlier in the season). A couple of early Chargers turnovers helped, but they hurried and hit Rivers all day, and ran all over them when they had the ball.

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by JonFrum (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:41pm

Damn! That first round draft choice just got less valuable.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 9:11pm

My thoughts exactly.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:19pm

Another four INT game for Manning?!? Just... wow.

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by Flounder :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:20pm

So is Peter King still going have Manning on his MVP list tomorrow?

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by B :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:21pm

He'll have Favre.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:30pm

see how well they played today when he finally played his proper position ?

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by ghinterm :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 11:55pm

You're going to have to get me to believe Jackson contributed on defense before I think he (or Favre on the bench) was the big factor in the Vikings game. He threw interceptions like a vintage Favre and threw a few more just up for grabs. To be fair, he's going to have to save a truckload of puppies or something before I become a Tarvaris Jackson fan based on having watched him in seasons past.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:22pm

Was he still on the list last week?!?

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by Flounder :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:23pm

Ahhh, he dropped Manning last week. My sincerest apologies to PK.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:30pm

In your defense, it was certainly plausible.

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by Tampa Bay Mike (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:23pm

And now Atlanta with the three man rush.

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by Flounder :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:29pm

Wow, what a throw and catch on 4th down.

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by BucNasty :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:30pm

Incredible catch by Sammie Stroughter to keep hope alive, and thanks to the the Colts game ending I get to watch it in glorious HD.

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by Flounder :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:31pm

Ouch. And an ugly throw to end the game.

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by Flounder :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:33pm

Well, the throw was to the inside instead of the outside shoulder, but that was a really good break on the ball.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:34pm

Yeah, usually that sort of interception isn't very impressive, but Grimes actually had to make a great play to get that one.

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by B :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:32pm

Grimey!

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:33pm

Oh man, I don't think this gets overturned.

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by Tampa Bay Mike (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:34pm

That's a pick, not enough evidence to overturn even though it hit the ground after being juggled a bit. Bad roughness call though. The penalty was basically big guy hits little guy hard so we throw the flag.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:36pm

there was a clear frame where the ball tip was on the ground before his hip hit.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:37pm

Nah, that hit was a bit late. I have a feeling Freeman would do it again, though!

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by Tampa Bay Mike (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:41pm

We'll agree to disagree then.

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by Semigruntled Wafkes fan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:45pm

The hit wasn't very late, but it was very hard - if Freeman pulls up at all, the ref probably doesn't throw the flag.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:36pm

TB just got jobbed.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:39pm

I guess Mike Pereira would agree.

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by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:39pm

Baltimore-Pittsburgh set to go in forty minutes. Who you guys got? Kinda wondering about how well Big Ben can move in a boot.

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by Raiderjoe :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 12:00am

Forumula says Ravens will not cover, but wnent against it anyway and took Balit.

Am 9-5 so far vs spreaf this wek (andn stuck to formula for those 14)

*can"t explain mathemateical formula; is secret

edit- turns out did stay with Pitisburgh +3

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by B :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 9:12pm

I think Pittsburgh will win.

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by Russ Thomas (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:50pm

Well I was right about Bowe but not the game. Orton...verklempt.

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by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:56pm

How did Orton and co. go 9-for-28??

I thankfully missed that game since I was en route back from Maine.

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by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:55pm

The Sierra Nevada will eb a flwoin tongith!!!!!!

Told everyeone here for wekeks that Raiders oging to sweepp Chargers

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by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 8:58pm

I officially have no idea what to make of your team. But congrats on the big win!

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 9:17pm

Weeks? You mean you weren't telling people this before the season even started?

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by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 9:19pm

YOu are corretc. Was said before seaosn. Predicition before seaosn was Raiders win division

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by Whatev :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 9:57pm

Theoretically possible, but it could be hard... they've effectively got to win all four remaining games, since I don't think you can rely on the Chiefs being less than 10-6 by the end. Still, it could happen, especially if Manning face continues.

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by B :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 9:25pm

Over/Under for Big Ben foot mentions is at 48. I have the Over. what do you got?

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by MurphyZero :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 9:46pm

Under. It's going to be the nose getting more mentions.

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by MurphyZero :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 9:42pm

Well start cueing the refs call everything against the Steelers crowd. Ben was struck in the head on that sack. Should have been a personal foul, blow to the head penalty and nothing was called. Looked like it broke Ben's nose. I am at the point that if they could automate the refs, they should do it. The game is too fast for these guys.

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by dmb :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 9:47pm

Someone alert Doug Farrar: a Pistol sighting in PIT-BAL! It would appear that Al Michaels is unfamiliar with the Pistol, since he called it "a short shotgun formation" multiple times before Collinsworth elaborated that it's called the Pistol in the college ranks.

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by B :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 9:56pm

Possible name improvement: Sawed-off shotgun. Think we can start the trend?

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by dmb :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:29pm

It's certainly a more enjoyable name, but it's (ironically) probably too long to actually get used.

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by dmb :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 9:51pm

Pittsburgh punts on 4th and 1 from Baltimore's 40; TMQ will retroactively write "Game Over" in his notebook right now ... if Baltimore wins.

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by 0tarin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 9:55pm

Beautiful block by Ray Rice on that 70ish yard pass to Boldin. At least from what I saw, as the cameras didn't care to show it.

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by 0tarin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 9:56pm

... and collinsworth subsequently shows it. Kudos on him.

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by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:03pm

Collinsworth can be a dick, but he's one of the few former skill player commentators that really seems to get blocking schemes.

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by AnonymousAnon (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 11:48pm

Which block do you mean? The one where he prevents Polamalu from making the sack by grabbing and pulling his facemask? If that's the one you mean, then no, it wasn't a beautiful block. It was an egregious foul that for some reason the officials missed or ignored.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:02pm

Beautiful play fake by McGahee and Joe Cool to set up the Boldin touchdown catch. As I type this, both teams fight on an extra point after a false start penalty.

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by 0tarin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:05pm

Anyone happen to notice how many the Steelers rushed on this one? I thought I counted five, but they didn't get *anywhere* near flacco, and the play fake didn't seem any more convincing than most of the ravens' similar plays in the past. Just curious if I was miscounting or something.

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by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:04pm

Nice play by Flacco and Boldin on the TD. Double covered, but Flacco waved him back towards the middle of the end zone right before releasing the ball.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:07pm

Tardlin the great fails to challenge as usual

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by 0tarin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:13pm

... on which play? The first-down spot?

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by dmb :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:14pm

What exactly were you wanting him to challenge?

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:17pm

tj h? Only had one foot down inbounds with possession on the sideline

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by dmb :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:19pm

It looked like a good call to me...

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by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:20pm

The second replay looked like he dragged the toe.

Also there's no way Moore made the 30-yard-line on that play that Harbaugh challenged, not that it ended up mattering.

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by dmb :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:25pm

It looked like Moore was on top of other players, not the ground, so he wasn't down until he stopped advancing the ball. There's still a good chance that he didn't quite make it, but I think it's certainly plausible that he did.

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by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:27pm

I don't think they had enough evidence to overturn, certainly. But the original spot looked pretty generous.

Anyway, moot point. Hey look, another punt!

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:21pm

not to mention he should have broken the refs nose after that unflagged hit on big ben face and head

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by dmb :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:23pm

Yep. LMAO @ Tardlin for not giving his opponents 15 free yards and getting himself suspended. And for not wasting a timeout for wasting a challenge on a clearly correct call.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:29pm

he prides himself as being a players coach

whynot have their back if so ?

Just a useless flagwaver otherwise

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by Spielman :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:42pm

Keep it in mind, folks. The only football coach in history who wasn't a useless flag-waver was Woody Hayes.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:47pm

I hate OSU

reported for lying/ insinuating about me

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by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:47pm

uyes, Hayes would pucnh you in face if not looking

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by Spielman :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 11:07pm

Particularly if you had the temerity to intercept a Buckeye pass in a bowl game.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:30pm

Ben Roethlisberger throws a deep bomb to Josh Wilson. Wilson plays defensive back for the Ravens.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:34pm

Tomlin judgement of greatCB talent continues

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:35pm

Tomlin judgement of greatCB talent continues

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by jonnyblazin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:38pm

Here's an idea: try not running sweeps right at James Harrison when blocking him with a rookie TE.

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by 0tarin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:39pm

I was more impressed with the attempt to block him with two WR. Bad idea on paper, bad idea in practice.

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by dmb :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:39pm

NBC showed a shot of Dan Rooney in his box, and you could clearly see a TV behind him with the game on; as a result, you could view an infinite number of Dan Rooneys simultaneously!

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by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:45pm

Thats liek that thing where you look at Dabid Hasselhoof and then he has smae photo of hismelf on speedo and then his junk area comes at you and then over and over again

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 11:00pm

Dabid Hasselhoof: Bollywood's answer to David Hasselhoff?

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by Lvess :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:45pm

This week in teams telling the whole truth about injuries:

"No his nose isn't broken....it normally has a right angle in the middle"

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by MurphyZero :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 12:43am

In post game interview Ben said his nose was broken.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 10:52pm

On the last two plays, Roethlisberger had enough time to go on his smartphone and post his current Facebook status before throwing both passes. Of course, Hines Ward drops the pass on the second play.

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by 0tarin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 11:28pm

Jesus, Cundiff boots one right out of the back of the end zone this time. Anyone happen to know what the season record for touchbacks is? Or have a location at which one could look it up?

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by 0tarin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 11:30pm

On a completely unrelated note, I move that the Scramble writers review the Verizon 4g commercial in which the guy gets his phone and it promptly turns into a lightning bolt. Every time I see that I have no idea what's going on, let alone why he looks to be throwing his phone into the sky immediately upon getting it.

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by RedZone :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 11:31pm

According to this, it is 45: http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/12/cundiff_not_w...

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by 0tarin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 11:35pm

Thanks; I googled for it two weeks back, but couldn't find anything.

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by RedZone :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 11:37pm

Sorry, I think it's actually 40; Cundiff is on pace for 45. I tried to edit my
original post, but it failed. Sorry for the confusion. Although I've been reading
the site for 3 years or so, I only registered this year, and I obviously don't have
the posting thing figured out yet.

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by Jerry :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 3:24am

You lose the ability to edit a post once it's been replied to.

Just a typical Pittsburgh-Baltimore game.

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by jonnyblazin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 11:34pm

Was that a homeless man on the Steeler's sideline?

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 11:35pm

kemoeatu got horse collared no call
no mention
die
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 11:36pm

kemoeatu got horse collared no call
no mention
die
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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by 0tarin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 11:38pm

For one thing, I'm not sure, but don't you have to actually be tacked by the horse collar in order for the call to be made? I saw someone close to it, but he let go before Kemo went down.

Secondly, from the (admittedly limited) replays they showed, he was actually gripping the back of the jersey, which as far as I recall is not a horse collar. Although granted, refs have called it as such before.

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by Mikey Benny :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 1:05am

Hand doesn't have to be inside the jersey to be a horsecollar.

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by 0tarin :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 1:33am

I was under the impression that a horse collar was defined as gripping underneath the pads directly behind the neck. But since the rule book isn't published, I may very well be wrong. Either way, I maintain that he didn't bring him down by it, hence no penalty.

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by Raiderjoe :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 7:45am

Rule 12, Section 2, artyicle 1
All plsayers are prohibited from:
(a) to (c) other things
(d) grabbing the insifde collar of the back of the shooulder pads or jersey, or the uinside collar of the side of shoulder pads or jersrey, and immeditaely pullinf down the runner. This does not apply to a rummer who is in the tackle bolx or to a quaryterback who is in thr pocket.

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by Arkaein :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 1:46pm

Thanks Raiderjoe. Since the runner was not immediately pulled down by the collar of the jersey, no penalty.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 11:46pm

miller ko'd on a seeming h2h hit of course NBC goodell worshippers went to commercial without replay

Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 11:48pm

Now the "goodell fellators" are appalled that there was no penalty on that hit to Miller -- and so am I. (Cue shot of Harrison on the sideline, and we all know what he's thinking.) If the NFL doesn't impose a fine for that, I'll give Harrison a pass if he goes all The Rock on NFL headquarters.

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by 0tarin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 11:51pm

I'm a Ravens fan and I not only agree with this, but I'd absolutely love to see it.

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by aRX (not verified) :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 11:41pm

HELLO? Refs? Blow to the head? And even talk about he was ducking down...if he didn't then it REALLY would've been helm2helm, instead of forearm/shoulder...

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by Rocco :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 11:41pm

Good to see the NFL is serious about protecting receivers. And people like Florio wonder why there's confusion regarding legal and illegal hits.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 11:44pm

but Harrison isn't targeted rah rah goodell bay bah
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by Pat Swinnegan :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 12:32am

The fact that the refs can't do the job properly doesn't mean the NFL isn't serious.

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by Rocco :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 12:37am

Supposedly the NFL was going to call anything close. That's the story we heard on the Austin Collie hit, or when Ryan Clark went shoulder-to-back on a Raiders receiver and was flagged. The idea was "if in doubt, throw a flag". Which is fine. However the sound of that hit left no doubt.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 11:48pm

sanders lays n ground nstead of scoring

Good job Omar!
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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by 0tarin :: Sun, 12/05/2010 - 11:50pm

It's rare that one can say that the announcers are accurate in any way, but I have to agree with them that Suggs is an absolute monster in this game. I haven't seen him so strong in upwards of 2-3 seasons.

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by Rocco :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 12:18am

The Steelers o-line has that effect on linebackers.

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by 0tarin :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 12:23am

I'm accustomed to watching the Steelers' O-line pull out some magic when they face Baltimore. Or the Ravens' D-line wetting their pants.

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by Spielman :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 12:36am

And the forces of evil prove stronger once again.

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by Gus (not verified) :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 12:38am

Jesus fuck. Step into the throw?

/frustrated as hell

//night night

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by Rocco :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 12:38am

I need better medication to keep my heart from stopping. I like flashbacks to the 2008 season with those types of games. I'd forgotten what they do to me.

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by Karl Cuba :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 12:46am

I'm getting really sick of watching players laid out motionless on the field after their neck gets bent to some horrible angle. I keep getting the feeling that the day is approaching where a player is going to die on the field and that will be the last day I watch the NFL. I hope that the hit on Miller gives James Harrison some f***ing perspective on why the NFL keeps fining him.

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by 'nonymous (not verified) :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 1:07am

Yes, those hits can be serious. I hope the NFL finds some combination of rules/technology to make the risk smaller and smaller. But Harrison's name should be the first one you think of in regards to fines, not in regards to h2h hits. He has not been fined for a helmet-to-helmet hit this season!

His hit on Josh Cribbs was h2h, but ruled completely legal. His hit on Massaquoi was scary, but was forearm to helmet (a penalty by the rules, but it would have been forearm to chest if Massaquoi were not stumbling. What was the intent, whose fault is it? These are not easy questions.) His hit on Brees was helmet to back. His hit on Fitzgerald was forehead to chest. (Both of these QB hits ended with Harrison wrapping up; the fine was for point of initial contact.) Meanwhile, linemen collide head to head every play. Running backs routinely lower their helmets to run through defenders. Can you really regard the current rules and fines as a sane or fair response?

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by MidnightAngler (not verified) :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 11:34am

James Harrison said after the game that he thought the hit on Miller was clean. You can say what you want about Harrison, but at least he is consistent. You definitely can't say that about the NFL's position on these hits, which has been inconsistent to the point of absurdity.

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by Russ Thomas (not verified) :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 12:36pm

The NFL officiating has been horrendous this year. Geez where to start...ok let's go with the Bucs & Falcons and the INT at the end of the game. Even the Fox Replay Official said it would be close but would overturn it because it appeared (on one frame) the ball tip might have hit the ground so CB "Did not complete the process." This is a guy who used to be an NFL Referee and has done a nice job Fox in reviewing some really close plays this year. The problem is the NFL rules DO NOT STATE that the receivers "need to complete the process!" He used the same language when he correctly predicted (when refs reviewed Megatrons catch against the Bears in Week #1) that Calvin Johnson did not catch the ball because he did not complete the process. The NFL Refs during the season interpet the rules that do not exist in the language that is stated. The NFL will continue to put their collective heads in the sand when it comes to officiating but it's becoming a HUGE intergrity factor in believing games or fixed or favortism is being shown.

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by Scott P. (not verified) :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 9:55pm

Many, many NFL rules don't appear in the rulebook, but only in the refereeing guidelines.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 9:51pm

Tom Bieber intentional grounding on a broken play, uncalled.

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by dfan (not verified) :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 10:20pm

Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, *facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense*, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion.

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by Q (not verified) :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 10:04pm

NYJ should have gone for it on 4th. Having a bad kicker, in cold weather, over 50 yards seems like a bad combination. Plus you give NE very good field position if he misses. The best option is probably to go for it and then 2nd best option is a punt.

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by B :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 10:12pm

I agree they should have gone for it, but punting there would be pretty pointless, unless they have a very good punter.

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by Spielman :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 10:05pm

At this point I'm hoping very hard that Gruden takes another coaching job. I'm so very sick of listening to him talk about how great everyone is.

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by B :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 10:10pm

Somebody tell him how great a situation Denver will be.

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by morganja :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 10:31pm

Amazing. Five bad calls for New England in first quarter. That's pretty amazing, even for them.

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by RichC (not verified) :: Tue, 12/07/2010 - 12:41am

Morganja thinks that every patriots first down is a conspiracy. Amazing.

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by morganja :: Tue, 12/07/2010 - 12:57am

No. I haven't watched any Patriot football in a long time because I can't stand the ludicrous officiating in their favor. I gave it one quarter and the same old crap. It's at the point where only very stupid people can't see the consistent bias. Most likely I won't watch any more Patriot games this year up to and including the Super Bowl that the NFL is so clearly giving them. That and a lockout could be the end of football for a lot of erstwhile fans.

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by Karma Coma :: Tue, 12/07/2010 - 2:48am

C'mon, Morganja, show me on Ron Jaworski where New England touched you.

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by B :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 10:52pm

I really disagree with Tirico's challenge theory. Challenging a spot on 4th and 1 isn't a bad a challenge, and taking a big risk challenging a touchdown catch that won't be overturned is a bad challenge.

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by Rocco :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 11:01pm

Challenging a spot that isn't blatantly wrong is a bad move- they get reversed 1 in 100 times. Agree with you that challenging the TD would have been bad. There was nothing on the replay that would have made the ref change his mind, no matter which way they called it on the field.

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by nat :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 11:05pm

If they had called him out of bounds, it would have been reversed. The hand came down in bounds before any part of the body touched out of bounds. Good decision not to challenge.

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by Rocco :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 11:08pm

The hand doesn't count. It's the wrist/forearm that counts. I think that came down in bounds first, but had they ruled it no catch, I'm not sure it was clear enough.

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by RichC (not verified) :: Tue, 12/07/2010 - 12:40am

Incorrect.

The hand does not cause the player to be DOWN, it does establish possession in bounds though. Its no different than a foot in this regard.

Its only when discussing whether a player is down by contact thats the hand doesn't count.

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by Rocco :: Tue, 12/07/2010 - 9:20am

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=fleming/090923&sportCat=...

"A player is in possession when he is in firm grip and control of the ball inbounds. To gain possession of a loose ball that has been caught, intercepted or recovered, a player must have complete control of the ball and have both feet completely on the ground inbounds or any other part of his body, other than his hands, on the ground inbounds. If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any other part of his body to the ground or if there is any doubt that the acts were simultaneous, there is no possession. This rule applies to the field of play and in the end zone."

Fleming was citing the rulebook in that paragraph.

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by Q (not verified) :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 11:12pm

Maybe this game will stop all of Sanchez is a good qb talk now

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by B :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 11:51pm

Yea, this would be a good time to stop it.

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by Rocco :: Tue, 12/07/2010 - 9:21am

I'm not sure who was worse- Sanchez, or the Jets receivers. They were all varying degrees of suck.

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by B :: Mon, 12/06/2010 - 11:26pm

Wow, Gruden is younger than I thought. Last time the Patriots lost a 4th quarter lead, he was in grade school... So, in Nov 2009?

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by Mr. Show (not verified) :: Tue, 12/07/2010 - 12:05am

The "2010 Offense is as good as 2007 Offense" argument is really looking good tonight.

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by FooBarFooFoo (not verified) :: Tue, 12/07/2010 - 2:52am

Honestly, the current offense looks more promising than 2007 ... not in a sense that it looks as video-game-gimmicky-like, but in a sense that it is harder to shut down completely. The 2007 team choked a couple of times (come on, I am a die-hard Patriots fan, and when thinking about the end of the Ravens game, I still think the TD [I think Gaffney] was a bad call ... I also think they still would have beaten the Ravens, but it should not have been for this play). But they weren't unstoppable.

This short passing game won them super bowls, the 2007 offense only won them bloated stats.

Stats are for losers.

Credit to Bill Belichick. After loosing any game that mattered last season, they won any game that mattered this year. Schedule has been brutal, and they beat any playoff team from last season (with the Packers still open).

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by Nathan :: Tue, 12/07/2010 - 12:15am

I feel like adopting 15 puppies and just rolling around in a pile with them while an Uggs wearing Brady sings me "Total Eclipse of the Heart."

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by B :: Tue, 12/07/2010 - 12:20am

Gruden, is that you?

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by B :: Tue, 12/07/2010 - 12:27am

"Isn't it amazing how a great quarterback makes a great coach"
Did Jaws just take a shot at Gruden there?

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by Nathan :: Tue, 12/07/2010 - 12:30am

I think it's pretty much an open secret that Jaws and The Grud can't stand each other.

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by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Tue, 12/07/2010 - 12:43am

Total. Annihilation.

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by Lyford (not verified) :: Tue, 12/07/2010 - 12:43am

Well, tonight's game has made one thing perfectly clear. Really, there cannot be any further debate. If we've learned nothing else, we've learned this - Jim Leonhard is clearly the Most Valuable Player in the National Football League...

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by RichC (not verified) :: Tue, 12/07/2010 - 1:13am

I do have to say though, the Patriots kicker sucks.

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by El Jefe (not verified) :: Tue, 12/07/2010 - 3:06am

Well, at least he hasn't missed an XP yet...

Oh, wait.

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