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14 Dec 2010, 5:59am by
Danish Denver-Fan
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by neuro (not verified) :: Thu, 12/09/2010 - 9:37pm
Millen on fire early! "Make no mistake about it, the Colts are a passing team!" "The Colts offense is based on execution!"
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by ChrisZ (not verified) :: Thu, 12/09/2010 - 9:41pm
"What they do is - everybody's got a responsibility."
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by Spielman :: Thu, 12/09/2010 - 9:56pm
And yet, he's better than Theismann.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Thu, 12/09/2010 - 9:42pm
How historically inept is the Colts' running game at this point?
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by BJR :: Thu, 12/09/2010 - 9:46pm
Their offensive line just stinks. They've already had a false start, and a totally blown assignment on a run play leading to a 5 yard loss. And Manning has been hurried on every dropback.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Thu, 12/09/2010 - 9:58pm
I wonder what the record is for lowest avg per rush in a game/season....they look like they want to set some records tonight.
Since 1960, the record (I think) is 2.79 by the 1994 New England Patriots. Indianapolis is at 3.40 so far this year. So it looks unlikely that they will make a run at the record.
However, to really make it a fair comparison, there needs to be an adjustment for era, since yards per carry has been increasing league-wide.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by BJR :: Thu, 12/09/2010 - 10:21pm
Terrible technique by Cortland Finnegan on that long completion to Wayne. Reggie just jogged past the attempted armbar. I understand Finnegan is one of the slightly better corners around but that's a mismatch one on one.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Fri, 12/10/2010 - 3:33am
I don't know... To me, it looked like he stumbled. I guess that's also bad tecnique. I think he had good coverage when the ball was released, but stumbled, and Wayne got open off of that.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Thu, 12/09/2010 - 10:28pm
Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
12 runs already and they're passing out of play action.
So the announcers... they see completions as a result of the running.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Thu, 12/09/2010 - 11:21pm
Idiot #1 (theisman?): "I'm not saying Kerry Collins is Peyton Manning, but he can put the ball where it needs to be just like Peyton Manning"
Bonehead #1 (millen?) "God blessed him with a great gun."
Worst commentary I've heard in a long long time.
I mean, if you pay... what, a few hundred million dollars to broadcast the NFL, wouldn't you hire someone else to do the commentary?
Yeah I know half the people are below average intelligence. But most people aren't deaf.
I'd like to see the marketing research behind this. Really.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by neuro (not verified) :: Thu, 12/09/2010 - 11:27pm
If you have Blair White on your fantasy team, do you get credit for that pass defense?
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Bobman :: Fri, 12/10/2010 - 6:13pm
Only if he "picked it off" and ran it back the other way for a Titans TD. Which was entirely possible....
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Nathan :: Thu, 12/09/2010 - 11:40pm
colts run a draw on 4th and 4... nice call.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Nathan :: Thu, 12/09/2010 - 11:41pm
double post
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by BJR :: Fri, 12/10/2010 - 12:12am
For all the ridicule that Pierre Garcon has come in for around these parts, that was a really nice play that ought to have iced this one.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by BJR :: Fri, 12/10/2010 - 12:15am
Strange that they then went so conservative though......
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Fri, 12/10/2010 - 12:36am
Wow - Jeff Fisher really blew it with that last punt.
And yes, the failure to tackle Garcon was terrible, too.
Occurs to me that there was pretty flagrant DPI on the second-to-last play, not that it mattered, given that the Titans scored on the next play.
If the offense is down 9 points, and they need a TD plus an onside kick recovery, there is an incredible incentive for the defense to commit DPI, just to burn clock. Commit penalty, penalty, penalty, as long as the clock is burning, just to delay the TD. Sure it's bad sportsmanship, but hey, that's just another penalty!
Terrible game management at the end by the Titans.
If you don't think Chris Johnson can get 1 yard against the Colts on 4th down, why even coach this game? The Colts have the 27th best rush defense in the NFL.
But Jeff Fisher is going to escape blame because he did the conventional thing: punt. Even though there was less than five minutes on the clock, his team was down 6, and the other team had Peyton Manning at QB. Jeff Fisher should take at least as much flak as Belichick did last year when the Pats went for it on 4th and 2.
Finally, I'm guessing gamblers around the country who took the Colts and gave 3.5 points were screaming as the Titans covered the spread with 0:00 on the clock.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Fri, 12/10/2010 - 12:55am
The reasoning in the comment booth went as followed
"shouldn't you go for it?"
"Why time enough to punt"
"yeah but you're punting to Peyton Manning"
"so... they stopped them last drive."
So you're giving up 21+ points already, and IT IS PEYTON MANNING, you're going to punt.?
Ridiculous time management at the end too. Go for endzone 3 times, if not, field goal.
These passes for 5 yards; you'd better swat them down as a receiver to save clock. 3rd oldest starting QB in the league. Hasn't learned much.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Fri, 12/10/2010 - 1:00am
Yes, the booth commentary was cringe-worthy.
4th and 1!!!
But since they'd gotten a stop against the Colts on the previous drive, that was somehow more important than the fact that the Colts had moved the ball with ease most of the evening.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Fri, 12/10/2010 - 1:47am
That logic was nowhere near as bad as them both arguing that they should've kicked the FG from the 14 then onside kicked it and hoped for a TD from their own 40 with less than :30 left. It was made even stupider by the fact that they kept talking about it for several plays afterward.
The Colt D should be embarrassed after that performance.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Spielman :: Fri, 12/10/2010 - 9:27am
"so... they stopped them last drive."
Yes, and clearly, that was a trend that was likely to continue.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Q (not verified) :: Fri, 12/10/2010 - 1:05am
Can someone explain what these coaches are doing every week? We hear how they spend 14+ hours working every day yet hardly any are smart enough to manage a simple clock. Even if you ignore the ridiculous 4th Down Punt, the time management at the end was comical.
How can they waste the entire time trying for the TD and not even get a chance at the Onsides Kick? Heck, as soon as they are in decent field goal position (maybe 20 or 25 yard line or so) they should be kicking the fg. They could have had roughly 40 seconds and a Time Out left to attempt an Onsides Kick and go for the TD. Any Madden player or even anyone smart knows you need time to kick the onsides kick and run plays if you are forunate to recover it.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by jonnyblazin :: Fri, 12/10/2010 - 1:35am
Spread was Colts -3, I think that explains it all.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Fri, 12/10/2010 - 1:49am
Are you kidding? You'd rather kick from inside the 20 and then try to score a TD after recovering a kick at your own 40?
Play for the TD when the TD is at least somewhat easy to obtain. The field is a lot shorter after a successful onside kick when all you need is a FG.
The error wasn't in the decision to try for a TD, it was in the plays they ran and the inexplicable decision to throw over the middle (and catch it) short of the goal line.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Fri, 12/10/2010 - 9:55am
Exactly.
Toss it into the endzone 3 times, not inbounds, not short and then kick. Then get the onside and hope a clown on a purple kangaroo will help you get the touchdown.
If you made the TD, getting into FG range will do.
Really, what the titans did, was the worst thing they could do.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Q (not verified) :: Fri, 12/10/2010 - 5:19am
When time gets low you are better off going for the FG right away to save time. In that situation the Defense will be covering the sidelines and Endzone leaving only the middle open. If you have to toss it into the endzone and hope for a miracle I'd rather do it Down 6 knowing a completion wins the game rather than knowing I need a lucky play to even have a chance at the onsides kick.
Ironically, Norv Turner is 1 of the only coaches I have seen go for the kick the FG strategy right away (did it in 2007 @GB ) but they were unable to recover the onsides kick.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Fri, 12/10/2010 - 6:07am
It's not as clear as that. Once you get to the 25, you very close to the end zone which is hard to do. Your chances of scoring a TD from there are much higher than after recovering the on-side kick.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Anonymous3 (not verified) :: Fri, 12/10/2010 - 1:53pm
Your chances after recovering the on-side kick are zero if you spend so much time scoring the TD that the extra point happens after 0:00.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Fri, 12/10/2010 - 5:54pm
That's not really a counter-argument - I think we all agree, that the Tians' way was the worst of all.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Thok :: Sat, 12/11/2010 - 8:57am
Why did the Cardinals sign Bartel to be their short term backup QB? Did Jeff Garcia laugh at them when he was offered money?
I mean, it's not like the Cardinals actually care about what their current backup QB can do for the remaining four games. They just want somebody who can go out there when Skelton gets hurt, not get killed, and maybe show a touch of competency so they can evaluate the other players on the roster. And also give advice to Skelton about not getting killed. And perhaps not cost a lot.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by dbt :: Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:48pm
Forecast for downtown Chicago:
Sunday: Snow and areas of blowing snow. Temperature falling to around 20 by 5pm. Wind chill values as low as zero. Very windy, with a north northwest wind 5 to 10 mph increasing to between 30 and 35 mph. Winds could gust as high as 55 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New snow accumulation of 3 to 7 inches possible.
Are you ready for some football?
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by PatsFan :: Sat, 12/11/2010 - 8:13pm
And the current forecast is similar:
Very windy. Snow. Areas of blowing snow. Snow accumulation of 4 to 6 inches. Total snow accumulation 4 to 8 inches. Much colder. Highs in the mid 20s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 35 mph at times becoming north and increasing to 30 to 40 mph with gusts up to 50 mph at times. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.
Great break for the Bears! That'll wipe out NE's passing game (I remember the 2008 NE@BUF game with similar winds (though no snow). I think both teams combined for something like 20 pass attempts). I'll be surprised if NE can win.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:23pm
You think the Bears have a better running game than the Pats? FO has the Pats' rushing game #1 in DVOA, while the Bears are #26.
The Pats' Achilles heel is their pass defense. I don't see how a team that cannot pass would hope to move the ball.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by akn (not verified) :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 12:12pm
I live 2 blocks away from Soldier Field. The blizzard out here is unbelievable. Winds gusting so hard that the snow hurts when it hits your face. Good thing I'm not going outside anymore today. Can't imagine what it will be like once the sun goes down.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by No one of consequence (not verified) :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 8:44am
Patriots LB Brandon Spikes has been suspended four games, starting this Sunday against the Bears.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Alexander :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 1:40pm
Why don't teams vacate wins because their players used steroids?
I bet that would stop PED use.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Southern Philly :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 1:43pm
It hasn't stopped NCAA boosters from cheating.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Alexander :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 1:53pm
It would if the NCAA would catch and punish them in the middle of the season.
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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:00pm
Sure, but it's not going to happen. The NCAA said that rules were broken in the Cam Newton saga but didn't do anything of any impact about it.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Alexander :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:04pm
I'm just saying that, If Auburn had been disallowed from the BCS right now and the Pats kicked from the playoffs right now, I'm fairly certain that violations would decrease.
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by B :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:09pm
Perhaps. I think people cheat because they don't fear getting caught, not because the punishments aren't severe enough. Don't forget that Spikes will miss four games, and lose 1/4 of his salary. That is a pretty hefty punishment.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Alexander :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:14pm
Pats fans don't care that he got caught. They are really just sad that he won't be available for the next four games. What would Pats fans be doing to Spikes if he cost them their best season since Brady's knee got scrambled.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:38pm
Your suggestion wouldn't matter to Spikes. The article says nothing about steroids.
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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:14pm
I absolutely agree with you that such punishments would essentially kill these violations. I just don't see it happening though.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Alexander :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:22pm
Just because you don't see it happening does not make it a bad plan.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Southern Philly :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:25pm
I never said it was. I'm not sure why you would think I would think that. After all, I did agree with you.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Alexander :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:27pm
:)
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by Scott P. (not verified) :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:35pm
Or provide an excellent avenue for a player to exert leverage:
"Hey, coach, want to go to the playoffs this year? You'd better give me a big bonus, or just maybe I'll get caught doing something bad..."
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:38pm
Alexander -- The substance that Spikes was reportedly using was Adderall. He may have been abusing it as a stimulant, but it's equally plausible that he has a diagnosis of ADD or ADHD, and didn't do sufficient diligence about the chemicals in his prescription medication. If the latter is the case, Spikes is guilty of making a mistake, but I don't think it's one worthy of a 4-game suspension, much less forfeiture of wins.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Alexander :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:42pm
Just that it may or may not be applicable in this case doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered.
Adderall is a performance enhancer nonetheless and if he had a prescription he wouldn't be suspended because many players have ADD or AHDH.
I don't think that there is a strong argument that players don't understand the PED policy, its not difficult at all.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:01pm
You proposed the idea in a reply to a comment that was specifically about Spikes, so I interpreted that as advocating for its use in this case.
My understanding was that a player can be punished for using a substance on the banned list even with a prescription, if the player doesn't follow certain procedures to clear use with the league. However, I may be completely mistaken about that, and if so, then there's much less reason to argue for leniency on Spikes' behalf.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Alexander :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:44pm
I think you must jump through a few additional hoops, because otherwise players would doctor-shop and get prescriptions for testosterone etc.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 11:53am
So with the deflation of the dome, the Vikes might have to play out in the snow ? Like the game should be played?
And the Giants are crying because they "didn't bring their cold gear" ? WAAAAH. Manup.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 12:52pm
what the fark? moving the game to Detroit?
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:11pm
OMAR needs to go. Just got scorched by a farking OT catching a touchdown.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by B :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:14pm
How does an OT get to be an eligible receiver?
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:21pm
*not sure if serious dot jpg*
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:51pm
He lines up in the usual spot of a TE or FB, and the offense reports to the refs that he is eligible.
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by Theo :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:53pm
line up at an eligible spot (the 2 on the outside on the LOS, or in the backfield) and declare eligible to the refs.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:46pm
Similarly, Andy Reid and Marty Schottenheimer are both worthless coaches because they've coached teams that gave up touchdowns on tackle-eligible plays.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:03pm
A guy who could never win in the postseason and a guy generally regarded as having the worst sense of clock management of all time ?
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:06pm
Like I said, worthless!
Out of curiosity, could you list all of the coaches in NFL history who you think are/were good?
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by SFC B (not verified) :: Mon, 12/13/2010 - 10:50am
Imagine what FOT thinks about all those coaches who gave up TDs to Mike Vrabel.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Mon, 12/13/2010 - 11:19am
Or worse, Dan Klecko.
In an AFC Championship Game, no less.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Southern Philly :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:13pm
Oh look, Sean Considine misses a tackle. Result: 67 yard TD reception by McFadden.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by B :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:13pm
3rd and 8, the Raiders make a 5 yard outlet pass to McFadden, which turns into a 67 yard touchdown. Nice job on defense there, Jacksonville.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Jonadan :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:22pm
3rd and 1, the Packers throw. Sack.
As a Lions fan, I'm both dumbfounded by and grateful for the playcall.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:26pm
Ryan Torain has runs of 54, 23, 12, and 10 yards (overall, 7 carries for 102 yards), but the Redskins haven't turned any of that yardage into points. Their first drive was mostly the 54-yarder, and Graham Gano clanked a 34-yarder off the upright. The second drive ends in a punt.
LeGarette Blount has also started strong (3 carries for 28 yards), and given the messy conditions and the Redskins' total failure to stop Brandon Jacobs last week, I expect he'll continue to have an excellent day.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:33pm
And Torain starts his third drive with a 14-yarder. The Bucs are getting absolutely gashed on the stretch play, with or without Gerald McCoy (who left about halfway through the first quarter).
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by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:40pm
Another 12-yarder. The Redskins have a total of 14 carries for 144 yards. That may very well be a season-high, and it's not even three minutes into the second quarter! That said, the Bucs will start stacking the box sooner or later, and forcing the Redskins to throw could mean the end of all this offensive competency nonsense.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:09pm
Torain adds a 19-yarder. At the two-minute warning, Torain has 18 carries(!) for 158 yards.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:34pm
FOX just showed video from inside the Metrodome when roof tore under the weight of the snow. Awesome video, though I'm certainly grateful nobody was under there.
Detroit brings us a perfect example of a pick that's 100% the fault of the receiver.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:43pm
Gano misses his second short FG, this one a 24-yarder. Sheesh.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:56pm
Perhaps due to those first two misses, the Redskins go for it on 4th and Goal from the 1. They convert by throwing to their third-string TE, Logan Paulsen. Gano promptly hooks the XP left, but it just manages to pass through the uprights before hitting the net far wide of the posts.
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by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:15pm
Gano manages to put in a 25-yarder ... barely.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by BucNasty :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:44pm
Apparently if Tampa Bay can just keep Washington out of the endzone, Graham Gano will take care of the rest.
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by BucNasty :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:44pm
Apparently if Tampa Bay can just keep Washington out of the endzone, Graham Gano will take care of the rest.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by montanapanthersfan :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:44pm
How is it Atlanta 14, Carolina 0? Both Carolina lines decided to not bother trying whatsoever, and, things have snowballed from there.
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by montanapanthersfan :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:46pm
And then Charles Johnson sacks Matt Ryan! :O
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:45pm
Steelers getting smashed left and right by the Bungles.
Good thing Omar the Great has em prepped and ready to go today, since they have nothing to play for or anything.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:56pm
Vikes game is cancelled so the Steelers are on. Whoo! They're behind and the offense isn't playing well. No so whoo.
Ouch, a bengal got hurt badly. Looks like he's done for today. (cpt Understatement)
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:04pm
SICK PICK6 by Troy P
but he hurt himself.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:04pm
I always thought Polamalu was a bit overrated.
During this season, I came to the conclusion he's not.
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by 0tarin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:40pm
Certainly been there...
/Baltimore fan
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Q (not verified) :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:05pm
I can't imagine how terrible GB's Offensive DVOA will be for the 1st Half. 4 Punts and 2 Turnovers vs DET is unspeakably bad.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by andrew :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:08pm
Ryan Torrain is over 150 yards in the first half.
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by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:13pm
And he'd be over 100 even if you take away his long of 54; he also has carries of 23, 19, 14, 12, 12, and 10 yards. However, a lot of credit goes to the Redskins' OL, as well as a lot of discredit to the Buccaneers' front 7.
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by montanapanthersfan :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:09pm
Atlanta has 189 yards of offense. We have 16. And there's 2:43 left to go in the half.
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by montanapanthersfan :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:09pm
2:34, rather.
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by montanapanthersfan :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:15pm
At the two minute warning of the first half, we have -5 yards passing.
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by montanapanthersfan :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:17pm
Make that -11.
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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:12pm
Strange turn of events in OAK/JAX. Jags WR is in the process of completing a catch, Tyvon Branch tackles him and forces an iffy fumble that is recovered by Mike Mitchell (yes, Mike Mitchell). They say there was holding on JAX, which is of course declined. Then they say the Jags receiver was ruled down by contact, despite that they announced it was a change of possession, but the penalty is accepted so it's a replay of the down. Raiders have challenged the play, so stay tuned.
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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:15pm
After review, it's Oakland's ball. Mike Mitchell made a play. I repeat, Mike Mitchell made a play.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:14pm
The Redskins take a Delay of Game penalty.
On 3rd and Goal from the 2.
After taking a time-out.
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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:20pm
You can take the McNabb out of Reid, but not the Reid of out McNabb.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:25pm
But who's to blame, McNabb or Shanahan?
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by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:36pm
I think that one was on Shanahan; it seemed like both the players and the play came out late after the TO. Using the TO was also a bit of a strange decision at that point. There were 20 seconds left in the half, and it was their last time-out; by burning that TO, they probably couldn't afford to risk running the ball and getting stuffed outside of the end zone. I don't know for certain how long it takes to get a FG on the field, lined up, and have the ball snapped, but I think ~12 seconds would probably be pushing it.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:46pm
That's what I found particularly egregious. The Skins had just called a timeout, and they still get called for a delay-of-game?
And Donovan still tried to call a second timeout, in spite of
a) NFL rules don't allow a team to call two consecutive timeouts
b) the Redskins didn't have any timeouts left
Really a terrible sequence by the Redskins.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:17pm
Ben hit in the head again and no flag.
FARK YOU REFS.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Shattenjager :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:22pm
Matt Flynn is in for the Packers.
Rodgers appears to be injured, but no word as to what/how bad the injury is.
EDIT: Announcers are now finally saying it's a concussion and he will not return.
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by BrianLAC (not verified) :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:19pm
Rodgers out in the Packers-Lions game. Probably concussed.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:19pm
Randel El catch of the week!
SICK!
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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
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by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:20pm
Bill was very right about the descriptiveness of the NFL's play-by-play varying wildly depending on who's doing it. For example, the WAS-TB scorer used the word "impetus."
"0-0-WAS 30: G.Gano kicks 36 yards from WAS 30 to TB 34, impetus ends at TB 29. P.Parker pushed ob at TB 38 for 4 yards (B.Westbrook)."
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by andrew :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:23pm
Matt Flynn in for Rodgers.
Concussion. Rodgers will not return. Normal series of checks before he can come back next week.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:27pm
...and the Patriots catch a major break.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:25pm
Late hit by Williams there on Ben, uncalled.
Harrison doesn't get 1 step, he gets 3?
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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:28pm
I have no idea who Green Bay's backup is. Is it still Brodie Coyle or w/e the name was?
EDIT: I see it's Matt Flynn now. Wonder how that'll go. Though it feels kind of good to be on the "right" side of getting a QB knocked out of the game, for a change.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:28pm
Brodie Croyle is starting for the Chiefs today.
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by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:32pm
Matt Flynn, who was the colleague of JaMarcus Russell at LSU. Croyle has spent his entire career in KC after being drafted by them in the 3rd round, and will start this week in placed of Matt Cassel.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:35pm
I like the phrase "colleague of JaMarcus Russell at LSU." Makes it sound like they wrote papers together for academic journals.
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by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:09pm
Thanks -- I was going for exactly that.
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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:38pm
Brodie Croyle never played for the Packers.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:41pm
Well, I guess I'm just dumb. Or forgetful.
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by erniecohen :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:28pm
This is like the second or third time this year that Ben has done an ill-timed spike that ended up forcing PIT to kick on 4th. This is a piece clock management that gets botched all the time, but which nobody ever seems to notice.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:29pm
Roethlisberger is not a particularly smart man.
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by young curmudgeon :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:29pm
The hit on Roethlisberger on 3rd down HAS to be called late. The Bengal lineman got far more than a step after the ball was away. Yes, yes, I know, those of us who are Pittsburgh fans are always complaining about a double standard for quarterbacks, but if Manning is hit like that, it's called. If Brady is hit like that, it's called. If Harrison or Woodley hits someone like that, it's called. Some QB's are protected, some are fair game, and unfortunately for Ben, he's in the latter category.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:33pm
Comments like this remind me that Brady was hit late, low to the knee, by Bernard Pollard, ending his 2008 season before it even started. No penalty was called.
And yet Steelers' fans whine about how Brady always gets all the calls.
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:39pm
Well, to be fair, ever since then he kind of has...
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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:41pm
They're not protecting him. They're protecting the hair.
NOTE: This is a joke.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:48pm
Well, since he lost a complete season after the season the Pats went 16-0, I would hope so!
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:54pm
I'm sure this has been discussed, but does anyone else think they would've gone 16-0 again in 2008 with Brady against that schedule? I do. That would've been interesting.
The Bengals are just hitting everyone really hard today. Even on that back of the end zone forceout, they just blasted him.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:03pm
I don't think they would have gone 16-0, but considering that they went 11-5 with Matt Cassel as QB, I think it's reasonable to contend that they would have gone at least 12-4 with a healthy Brady for the whole season. So they would have made the playoffs instead of missing them.
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:07pm
I forgot about the birth of the wildcat. I think it's possible that they'd have been similarly unprepared and defenseless regardless of their QB that day. So maybe not. Still fun/upsetting to think about, depending on your point of view.
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by Don (not verified) :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:46pm
The Brady play helped initiate new rules. Despite those new rules, Ben is not getting the protection they're supposed to provide.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:48pm
Pollard could have been flagged under the rules that were in place at the time.
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by tuluse :: Mon, 12/13/2010 - 4:35pm
He got blocked into a position where his only recourse was diving for Brady, IIRC. The play was called correctly.
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by erniecohen :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:52pm
The diffrence is that the hit on Brady was by a DL who was falling to the ground, and couldn't really be expected to see whether the Qb still had the ball. The late hit that Ben just took was by a lineman who could clearly see that the ball was gone, and intentionally tackled the QB after the pass was away, just to dish out punishment. That should always be a penalty.
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:55pm
Pollard plays D Line?
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:59pm
I didn't know that "couldn't really be expected to see whether the QB still had the ball" was considered a valid defense to somebody accused of making a late hit.
Pollard wasn't falling to the ground. He was already on the ground. He was crawling around, and lunged toward Brady in a manner that could only hit the QB low. Even the rules at the time explicitly said that a defender isn't allow to intentionally hit the QB in the knees.
Also, Pollard was looking right at Brady while he was going for him.
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:02pm
Also, Pollard is a noted late-hit artist who also ended Anthony Gonzalez's 2010 season and Wes Welker's 2009 season.
Well, not really to the latter, as that was the Houston turf monster, but Pollard got credit for the "tackle" so it's still his fault.
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by Theo :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:06pm
Nice reasoning. Hope you're joking.
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:08pm
About Welker? Well yeah, obviously.
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by Theo :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:04pm
Didn't Carson Palmer get injured in that way?
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by B :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:34pm
It's not the QB who matters with these situations, it's the refs. Some refs call things tight, some have a more "let em play" attitude.
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:39pm
Exactly. Quit the whining. We all know the refs are bad, and we've all been victimized by it. Maybe if your QB would actually get rid of the damn ball before five seconds have elapsed and three defenders arrive, he'd take fewer hits and there wouldn't be as many chances for the refs to screw up.
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by Rocco :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 8:42pm
Sure, but for some reason every set of refs "lets em play" with BRoeth this year in a way they've proven they won't let happen with guys like Peyton Manning.
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by Athelas :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:56pm
I'm a Patriots fan, but there absolutely should have been late hits called a couple of times.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:31pm
...and the Redskins promptly fumble the 2nd half kickoff.
I'm so glad I'm not a Redskins fan. This is painful.
FALL ON THE BALL!
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:37pm
Lots of shockingly bad football across the league in the first half. And not all that much of it is weather-related. Just dumb decisions, QBs standing around forever waiting to be sacked, Drew Henson running straight backwards to take a 19 yard loss, Garrard taking two dumb sacks to be taken out of FG range, Jennings dropping a long completion into Spievey's hands, McNabb being McNabb, etc. It's like watching the JV teams.
Question: Why would Green Bay decline the Personal Foul on the INT return? They accepted the block in the back and not the 15 yard UNR. Shouldn't a personal foul be enforced in addition to the block in the back? I know I've seen multiple penalties enforced on the same play. Seems like if that one's not enforced after another flag, you're basically giving people a free pass to go bludgeon somebody.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:40pm
I don't remember the play at the moment: I'm pretty sure the PF is only enforced "in addition" if it's after the play.
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:47pm
Yeah, I'm sure that explains the difference. They didn't show it while I was watching, so I don't know what/when/where the UNR was. (Farther up the field than the BitB obviously.) But it still sounds like an opportunity for a free shot if you know your team has already been flagged. Seems like they shouldn't allow that.
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by B :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:46pm
Penalty yards don't stack. It would have been either 15 yards from the end of the play if they accept the personal foul, or 10 yards from the point of the block if they accept that penalty.
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by 0tarin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:06pm
I'm not sure if my memory's faulty or not, but as I recall, penalty yards *can* stack, if the 2007 Pats-Ravens game is any evidence. After an insane series of events allowing NE to drive downfield for the eventually winning score, Bart Scott got assessed for stacking 15-yard penalties on the KO, letting the Pats boot it from the Ravens' 40.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:12pm
The penalties were after the play, so they stacked.
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by 0tarin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:16pm
Right, I was simply taking umbrage at the blanket statement that they "don't stack".
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by Harris :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:12pm
I think that only happens if there are multiple personal fouls on one team or if there is a penalty during the play and a PF after the play.
Hail Hydra!
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by Athelas :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:17pm
I think it was a personal foul after the touchdown then another one during the XP.
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by 0tarin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:17pm
I believe it was roughness on the PAT and then unsportsmanlike (for chucking the flag into the stands) after the fact. So yes, probably correct.
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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:43pm
Landon Johnson is now down for the Lions.
EDIT: He's now being carted off.
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:56pm
As a Colts fan, let me just say that I really do not look forward to the Raiders game at all. Especially if they end up getting flexed.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:57pm
James Harrison might have picked that batted ball off, were he not being held by the facemask...
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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:00pm
McFadden blows through another Considine tackle for a TD. Sean Considine is the rich man's Sabby Piscitelli.
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:00pm
Drew Stanton is posting a mighty 3-11 line for 0 net yards on the day. Inside a dome.
Not to be outdone, Jimmy Claussen gets sacked out of field goal range, and the Panthers passing attack is at -13 yards on the day.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:05pm
Do people make a point of asking Mel Kiper why he was so positive about Jiimmy Clausen's future?
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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:07pm
Because he's buddy buddy with his agent.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:08pm
Oh, I know that. I just wish more people would be intent on publicly embarrassing Kiper. ESPN is going to do it.
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by montanapanthersfan :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:01pm
The Atlanta Falcons' d-line is a system of heat-seeking missiles. The Carolina Panthers' offensive line is a collection of wet paper bags. Guess who's winning that battle?
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:05pm
After seeing Aaron Rodgers get knocked from the game due to a concussion sustained while not sliding, you'd think Matt Flynn might exercise a bit of caution.
Instead, impressive 3rd and 10 conversion run, head first dive... right into a teammate's knee. No harm done, but wow.
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by Theo :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:07pm
Depth Chart only shows 2 QBs. Do they have a 3rd?
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:12pm
If I can trust the commentators, no, GB does not have a 3rd QB. Which is a shame, because watching a 3rd QB-3rd QB matchup would be... special.
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by Athelas :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:14pm
Really, I should be cleaning the house instead of watching the Red Zone channel.
Consistently funny. The cake bit is one of the ten funniest things I've ever read on the internet.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:07pm
At this rate, Don Majkowski will be starting for the Packers in Foxboro next week.
Or maybe Bart Starr?
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:14pm
Now, I think the Pats are the best team in the league regardless, but man... it's a little annoying to see them getting a break for these next two games. The weather here completely negates their only weakness, and now next week they get a free pass against a good Quarterback, barring an unlikely recovery.
I guess it annoys me as a semi-Packer fan.
Tom Cable just threw the challenge flag more emphatically than anyone I've ever seen. And he's going to lose.
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by Cry me a river (not verified) :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 9:25pm
I hear there's a movie coming out next year that will chronicle how a dark, mysterious cabal got together at a castle in Salem, MA, in 2000 and determined how the Patriots would dominate the NFL in the 21st Century. Seriously...Tuck rule, Spygate, Brady Rule, concussions. It's all there. At the end Terrell Suggs's puppy is even stomped to death on by Danny Woodhead. I smell Oscar.
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by Athelas :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:08pm
The Green Bay-Detroit game is truly dreadful
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by Rikki (not verified) :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:26pm
It may as well be a Pottsville Maroons vs. Duluth Eskimos game.
Or, well, Green Bay Packers vs. Portsmouth Spartans.
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by Athelas :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:30pm
Portsmouth just scored a TD!
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:09pm
First and Thirty?
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by Athelas :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:12pm
Is Pittsburgh playing that badly or is Cincy just really up for this game?
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:17pm
Typical OMAR game.
No discipline.
Dumb fouls, not getting in refs ear about bad calls, not fired up early, poor game design on O, beat by terrible gimmick play on D, no real signs of concern, no "fire", just hanging around, playing up and down to competition. Thinking that kicking FGs will win you the game.
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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:20pm
Ben is obviously not himself, the Bengal D is fired up, and so we have a sloppy game that the Steelers will ultimately still win as long as Carson Palmer is Quarterbacking the Bengal offense. I wouldn't say they're playing terribly, they're just kind of off. Like almost every other team.
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by Harris :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:28pm
Why do you bother? Mike Tomlin is wrong. He's always wrong. In the event he's not wrong, he's still wrong. Everything positive to Mike Tomlin is luck. The opponents are never trying and they never make a good play. It's always that Mike Tomlin has failed to properly anticipate and prepare his team for every single eventuality that could conceivably happen, no matter how unlikely or improbable. Mike Tomlin is, in fact, the Devil and acts in concert with Roger Goodell, all referees and the Tripartite Commission to destroy the Steelers.
Hail Hydra!
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by Spielman :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:46pm
Rinse and repost.
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by Athelas :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:11pm
Actually there is a lot of dreadful football being played today.
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by B :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:25pm
Yea, this is a pretty bad early slate of games.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:11pm
...and Josh Freeman fumbles at the Redskins' 1-yard line.
Somebody was saying something about bad football?
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by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:11pm
On First and Goal a half-yard from the goalline, Josh Freeman loses his grip of the ball, and the Redskins are bailed out. They've been absolutely dominated so far this half.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:13pm
no, he wasn't "in the way" from that view.
idiots
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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:21pm
It's kind of cool that your comments are so obscure that we don't even know what game you are watching.
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by Theo :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:25pm
Steelers.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:39pm
Sorry, but I watch all games, as any serious NFL fan should/does.
It was in the JAX/OAK game about the sideline review.
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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:19pm
Steelers in a Randel El option pitch to Wallace out of the wildcat.
Wow.
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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
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Re: Week 14 Open Discussion Thread
by andrew :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:20pm
I want Matt Flynn to score on a QB sneak just so we can use the "In Like Flynn" line.
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:22pm
Uncontested blitz up the A gap nearly beats the snap to Ben. So that was pretty bad.
And then they punt from the 32.
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by bengt (not verified) :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:31pm
It was 3rd-and-24. Better let the D go to work (and I said that even prior to the pick 6).
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by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:25pm
I've watched something like 6 or 7 plays of the OAK-JAX game, and I've seen 3 TDs plus a turnover. And no, I don't have the RedZone channel.
Also, the JAX pass defense in a nutshell: Jason Campbell started out 12/15 for 233 yards and 2 TDs.
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by Athelas :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:26pm
I think that's the best game today @ 1.
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by Theo :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:24pm
Palmer throws another pick 6.
Game Over.
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by 0tarin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:29pm
But the Bengals haven't even had the chance to punt at a disputably inappropriate time yet!
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by Theo :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:36pm
Here you go. They punted and the Steelers come out with the one receiver formations.
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:25pm
It would amuse me greatly if the Lions-Pack ended 3-0, and then there were 80mph winds next week that led to a 6-0 Packer win (turnover for TD, missed XP seems more likely than 2 FGs). 3-0, 6-0, 9-0 wins for the same team would make me smile.
I've been saying this for years, so it's nice that it's finally becoming more obvious: McNabb is bad.
Although that last sack wasn't his fault... jeez. Block, maybe?
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by Athelas :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:27pm
Poor Detroit fans--will they see a better game tomorrow? Root for the Giants againt Minny?
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:29pm
Uh oh. Stanton has completed some passes and the Lions are in scoring range. How will they screw this up?
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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:30pm
The Lions have taken the lead.
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:31pm
And they score! Wow. From 0 yards passing to an 80 yard TD drive. And now we get to see Flynn try to come back against a very good D Line. This could be an absolute disaster for the Pack playoff hopes.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:31pm
Well, we've scored now, so that means: total defensive breakdown for the remaining eight minutes, here we go!
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:48pm
Just on cue, we're apparently playing prevent or near-prevent, and Flynn's marching the Pack down the field. Come on guys!
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by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:30pm
I don't know how it's becoming "more obvious." He's been mediocre in his first year in a new offense with very little protection. If you've watched the Redskins much this year, you'll know that their pass blocking has been pretty consistently awful ... which is actually a step up from last year.
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:32pm
Pass pro has very little to do with a general lack of intelligence and throwing screen passes into the ground behind the receiver. He has been doing that crap for years.
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by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:54pm
His accuracy comes and goes, and his clock management is exactly what you'd expect from a player coached by Andy Reid for a decade. But he generally does pretty well with his reads, can keep more plays alive than the vast majority of QBs, and has a good arm. He's absolutely not -- and probably never has been -- a top-5 QB or anything, but I would argue that he's been above-average for most of his career. Unless you have a highly unconventional definition of "bad," I don't think you'll find much evidence that he's been a bad QB his whole career. Can you name 20 QBs who were better than him in each season of his career?
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by tuluse :: Mon, 12/13/2010 - 4:43pm
Top 5? I think he was for a large part of the 00s. Who would you take over him from 2000-2005? P Manning, Brady, Trent Green, then who? Brett Favre? Rich Gannon? Steve McNair? I could see Kurt Warner I guess. Unless you have to play outside on grass.
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by Calig23 :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:25pm
Carson Palmer throws a second pick-6, this one to Lamar Woodley.
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by Intropy (not verified) :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 10:57pm
Mixed game for Carson Palmer. On the one hand he only ended up with 5.6 yards per attempt. But on the other hand he threw three touchdown passes.
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by andrew :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:25pm
The Bucs Run D: When its Torrain, its porous.
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by Theo :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:26pm
Impressive. Very impressive.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:26pm
WOODLEY pick6.
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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
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by B :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:27pm
Steelers Offense: 6 points. Cincy: 7 points. Steelers D: 14 points. Well, it's clear where the best unit in that game is.
Heh, unit.
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by andrew :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:31pm
If you want to make an argument for Rodgers as MVP, look what the Packers are reduced to without him....
I mean I know Brady pretty much has it wrapped up, but we've seen the Pats play well without Brady...
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by Spielman :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:48pm
Except they were looking pretty lousy offensively today even when he was in the game.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:51pm
I'm not sure "his backup's much worse than he is" is a good argument for giving somebody the MVP, especially for a quarterback.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:23pm
Personally I think it's a terrible one. Punish the best player because his supporting cast is also good!
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by Intropy (not verified) :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 11:02pm
That happened in reverse to Matt Cassel. People thought he was pretty good because the Patriots had a good season with him in place of Tom Brady.
No, Brady is overrated and the Patriots as a team are just that good.
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by Harry (not verified) :: Mon, 12/13/2010 - 1:01am
Looking at the way the Chiefs got smoked today - maybe Cassel is the real MVP.
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:34pm
On 2nd and 15, Carson Palmer... falls down. Brilliant.
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by Theo :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:50pm
They're not even trying anymore. Screen passes, dumps and oh look. An interception.
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by Athelas :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:35pm
Not that anyone is watching the Browns-Bills, but Delhomme is not very good.
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by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:38pm
Wow. Orakpo gets corralled, Barron-style, on a long TD pass to Kellen Winslow. Then the refs take away a good return by Brandon Banks on a very borderline hold called on Mike Sellers. Then the refs blow a questionable catch by Santana Moss dead prematurely; if he caught it, the quick whistle took away 30+ YAC.
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by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:41pm
There isn't indisputable evidence in either direction on the the pass to Moss, so the incomplete call stands.
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by Athelas :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:42pm
Wouldn't he have been down by contact anyway?
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by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:57pm
I don't think he was touched...
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by andrew :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:43pm
Two minute warning, Redskins down by 7. Rex Grossman time...
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:44pm
Some GB defender just whanged into Stanton, helmet first, helmet-to-helmet, after the ball was thrown. Stanton shaken up (dear lord please no concussion). No flag, no mention of helmet-to-helmet by commentators.
Sometimes being a Lions fan sucks.
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by Athelas :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:52pm
Lions win! Lions win!
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:53pm
It's not over yet, don't jinx it!
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:56pm
Sometimes?
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:59pm
Hey, we were winning, and we won. I'm inclined to be optimistic for a week.
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by 0tarin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:52pm
Kyle Boller in for Oakland after a sack takes Campbell out. After a promising few plays, backbreaking interception. I'm getting flashbacks to Baltimore years '03-'07.
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by Jovins :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:52pm
It sucks being a redskins fan. Really, really sucks.
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by Karma Coma :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:45pm
do they owe you reparations?
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:53pm
I can't even finish the sentence "just go for two, with the way this game is going this is a terrible idea" before the botched snap on the PAT ends the game with the Redskins losing.
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by andrew :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:53pm
Redskins, you gotta be kidding me! can't snap an extra point to tie game with 10 seconds left???
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by Athelas :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:55pm
Wow--Washington will lose because of a missed XP? Actually, the missed FGs also helped.
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by andrew :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:56pm
Last time I recall that happening was Lions vs Vikings, 28-27 back in the Joey Harrington era.
I remember the Saints a few years ago missed the playoffs on a missed extra point after a crazy circus play. I don't remember how long ago that was.
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by dmb :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:58pm
That was the play I linked to in the post directly above yours; it happened in 2003.
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by perly :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:02pm
Well, if it's any consolation:
1-10-TB 12(:49) (Shotgun) D.McNabb pass short right to A.Armstrong to TB 3 for 9 yards (C.Lynch).
Timeout #2 by WAS at 00:32.
2-1-TB 3(:32) D.McNabb pass incomplete short right to R.Williams.
3-1-TB 3(:28) R.Torain right end ran ob at TB 6 for -3 yards (T.Crowder).
4-4-TB 6(:18) D.McNabb pass incomplete short middle to F.Davis.
Washington Redskins 0:04
4-4-TB 6(:13) D.McNabb pass short middle to S.Moss for 6 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
That's right. 5th down scores the potential game tie.
I hate to see the Skins lose under any circumstances, but better it end like this than go to overtime on that grade of clusterfuck.
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by Spielman :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:04pm
They said on the broadcast that the Armstrong catch was ruled to be for a first down. Dunno if that was CYA at its finest, or what.
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:54pm
Wow. And now the Packers are probably going to miss the playoffs because their QB didn't slide. Ugh.
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by andrew :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:55pm
McCarthy, 4th and 1 and you go for broke? Maybe if it was Rodgers, I could see it, but with Flynn?
I love red zone ;) don't miss directv at all.
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:59pm
I can't decide what I want: Jags to lose to slip back to a tie with the Colts, or Jags to win, forcing the Colts to play under more pressure and eliminating the possibility that the 12/26 game gets flexed.
Either way, looks like we could have an interesting finish, unless Boller is just teasing us again.
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:00pm
Awful tackling and the Raiders have already tied it. Too early. Still lots of time for America's QB to lead a FG drive now.
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by Spielman :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:02pm
America's QB?
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by andrew :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:04pm
Raiders/Jags is entertaining. At least Raiders can kick a tying extra point.
edit... but they can't cover a kickoff...
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by Harris :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:04pm
And the Raiders don't even bother to make the Jags work for it. Geez.
Hail Hydra!
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:05pm
MJD with a TD to save my fantasy team's chances.
However, Oakland has time to score again to make this even more interesting.
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by andrew :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:05pm
Am I the only one who think the Raiders intentionally let MJD score there? I mean if Raiders make a valiant stand that eats up the clock, and they kick a winning FG most likely. Now they got a good chance to tie it up.
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by Theo :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:07pm
It looked a lot like it. Doesn't mean it's intentional though.
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by Theo :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:06pm
Jax-Raiders game is on... quite entertaining.
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by Calig23 :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:06pm
So after the Steelers game, CBS has switched to Oakland-Jacksonville just after the Raiders tied it at 31. I watched two plays: Jax return man going 65 yards and MJD ripping through the Raiders D to retake the lead.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:08pm
5th and one. I just want to point out, that the the spread was Tamba -3.
Man, I'd would be pissed!
I'm very much not pissed, as I don't gamble, and my Fantasy opponent has McFadden on his bench.
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by B :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:13pm
Your opponent decided to not start McFadden against the Jags? Who did he start?
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:43pm
Foster and Tomlinson, so I'm not out of the woods yet...
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by MainerRaider (not verified) :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:09pm
The talking heads are claiming a bad call on that hit that knocked Campbell out. Apparently they didn't see the helmet-to-helmet hit.
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by Harris :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:14pm
Campbell doesn't have Vick's arm, but surely he can throw it 40 yards to endzone, yes? What the hell was that?
Hail Hydra!
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by Theo :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:14pm
Raiders receiver should've dropped it.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:14pm
I still don't know whether I can consider Jacksonville legitimately good, first place in their division or not. I certainly don't think they're even a conference contender, let alone Super Bowl threat - they've not really got a defense.
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by sam :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 7:21pm
Well, most Jags fans don't consider them serious conference contenders and don't think they haeve a defense. So you're not alone. But they are in year 2 of a massive rebuilding project that most thought would take 3-4 years. They're better than they were last year--when things don't go their way, they don't collapse. You can see that within individual games (like getting down 10 to Oakland) and in the way that they didn't spin out of control after two early blowouts.
What they are is a team with a dominant running game (in TEN last week, Maurice Jones-Drew averaged 7 yards per carry on plays where TEN had 8 or more in the box) and a passing game that is getting more efficient. They gave up a lot of yards to the raiders on the ground, but most of those came on a just a handful of really bad plays. Their run defense has really improved since they played at KC. Their pass defense was improving until Courtney Green got hurt at safety.
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sam! or the original sam from the old FO
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by MainerRaider (not verified) :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:15pm
So I go to Chipotle to get a burrito before the Pats game starts. Listening to the Redskins on the radio (and let me say, Sam Huff and Sonny Jurgensen make that quite an experience).
First I hear the TD pass to Kellen Winslow.
"He's been around for a while," says Jurgensen.
"That's his son," says Huff.
Anyway, so the Redskins somehow manage to get the tying TD before the clock runs out. "I'll just go into the Chipotle quickly and be back in the car for OT" I think.
Should know better than to take a Redskins PAT for granted.
The Redskins are showing all the signs of being a poorly coached team.
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by B :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:36pm
Simms: The New England Patriots aren't from Miami. Makes sense, cause then the'd be the Miami Patriots.
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by Theo :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:48pm
It also makes sense because there's already the Miami Dolphins.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:41pm
...and how can the Pats' 3rd down defense be this bad? They have the Bears at 3rd and 18 and promptly give up a 19-yard pass.
Baffling.
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by Cry me a river (not verified) :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 9:30pm
Yes, and I guess if you were climbing into bed with Angelina Jolie tonight, you'd be complaining about her fat lips....
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by young curmudgeon :: Mon, 12/13/2010 - 12:07am
"Comments like this remind me that Brady was hit late, low to the knee, by Bernard Pollard, ending his 2008 season before it even started. No penalty was called.
And yet Steelers' fans whine about how Brady always gets all the calls."
1. You complain about me "whining" and then post a complaint about one play your team does poorly in the course of blowing out a conference leading opponent? As membership chair, I'm reviewing your application to the whiners' club, and I think I can assure you that you'll be accepted.
2. Welcome to Sample Size Theatre--yes, it was a horrific hit on Brady and he didn't get the call. It was one time.
3. On the Monday night game, Collinsworth quoted Andy Reid's complaints about the hits Michael Vick has been taking and said something to the effect that "Manning gets that call...Brady gets that call." Is it "Steelers' fans," or is it an increasingly common perception.
4. Even though it's may be an increasingly common perception, it may be wrong; unlike some posters here, I myself have been wrong a few times in the past. I will admit that most of the examples that come to mind have involved Manning, who seems to receive the benefit of a flag if the defender looks at his helmet disapprovingly.
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by Athelas :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:50pm
Is Mark Sanchez psychologically damaged?
Or can he rebound?
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by B :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:49pm
He rebounded from his INT prone performances last season.
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by Pilkington (not verified) :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:57pm
Two long TD drives for the Patriots and it's 14-0. They're making it look easy.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:02pm
Yeah, the snow isn't bothering the offense at all.
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:05pm
By itself, snow is harmless. It's easier to deal with than rain. It's the wind, which appears to have taken a break (at least it has at my house), that's a real issue.
It just amazed me, though, how much better prepared the Patriots are for bad weather than every other team.
Hard to say that should be overturned, even though he sure seemed down... his butt was on the shoe, not the actual ground. If it's 21-0, that's game over right there, and quite possible the third consecutive enormous blowout win in snow for the Patriots.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:08pm
Where was his left elbow/forearm?
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by Athelas :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:11pm
Not near the ground.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:09pm
I'm hard-pressed to be comfortable with any lead with the Pats' defense.
But yeah, that's a killer turnover.
The Bears are in dire need of a scoring drive.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:04pm
...and like that, a fumble return and it's NE 21-0. But was it really a fumble? Hard to tell.
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by RichC (not verified) :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:07pm
I <3 Devin McCourty.
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by Athelas :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:08pm
From Patriots twitter:
Some impressive stat lines so far: BenJarvus Green-Ellis has 7 carries for 50 yards (7.1 avg). Tom Brady is 10-14-112 yds, 118.8 rating
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by RichC (not verified) :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:11pm
Patriots should just start Onside kicking. Kick coverage clearly isn't easy in the snow.
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:15pm
Bears punt, Edelman brings it back 42 yards (somehow a hold is not called on 38), Dave writes Game Over in his notebook.
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by Dave :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:19pm
Santonio Holmes with one of the worst drops of the year costs the Jets 4 points. 10-3 Fins.
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by bubqr :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:19pm
Funny commentators praising Slater and his "heads up play/not giving up" for catching D.Manning on that KOR, while the only reason he was able to make that tackle is because he was being manhandled 20 yards away from the kick returner.
And hey, yeah Urlacher, the Bears are really the best team in the NFL. 24-0 in the snow, that is pretty bad.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:20pm
A 30-yard FG in the snow looks like quite an adventure. I wouldn't count on any FG longer than that today in Chicago.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:22pm
...another fumble by the Bears!
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by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:23pm
Wow, Chicago fans are flipping the channel right now...
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by Pilkington (not verified) :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:26pm
Or flipping the table over at their local bar...
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by Athelas :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:26pm
I'm not feeling good about this FG by Graham--but he makes it!
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by Pilkington (not verified) :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:27pm
The Bears have 32 net yards and are down 27-0. Time to see what's for dinner.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:31pm
The Bears look demoralized. Not quite as badly as the Jets did last week, but it's getting there.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:36pm
The Bears are determined to drop possible INTs. That's three chances missed so far.
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by RickD :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:37pm
How do the Bears let that happen on the last play of the half???
Incredible.
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by Athelas :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:37pm
Are the Patriots running up the score?
;-)
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by Theo :: Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:38pm
Urlacher drops an interception and then the deep half safety decides not to play the deep half...
Another missed extra point.
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Millen on fire early! "Make no mistake about it, the Colts are a passing team!" "The Colts offense is based on execution!"
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"What they do is - everybody's got a responsibility."
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And yet, he's better than Theismann.
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How historically inept is the Colts' running game at this point?
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Their offensive line just stinks. They've already had a false start, and a totally blown assignment on a run play leading to a 5 yard loss. And Manning has been hurried on every dropback.
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I wonder what the record is for lowest avg per rush in a game/season....they look like they want to set some records tonight.
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http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/xG865
Since 1960, the record (I think) is 2.79 by the 1994 New England Patriots. Indianapolis is at 3.40 so far this year. So it looks unlikely that they will make a run at the record.
However, to really make it a fair comparison, there needs to be an adjustment for era, since yards per carry has been increasing league-wide.
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Terrible technique by Cortland Finnegan on that long completion to Wayne. Reggie just jogged past the attempted armbar. I understand Finnegan is one of the slightly better corners around but that's a mismatch one on one.
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I don't know... To me, it looked like he stumbled. I guess that's also bad tecnique. I think he had good coverage when the ball was released, but stumbled, and Wayne got open off of that.
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Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
12 runs already and they're passing out of play action.
So the announcers... they see completions as a result of the running.
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Idiot #1 (theisman?): "I'm not saying Kerry Collins is Peyton Manning, but he can put the ball where it needs to be just like Peyton Manning"
Bonehead #1 (millen?) "God blessed him with a great gun."
Worst commentary I've heard in a long long time.
I mean, if you pay... what, a few hundred million dollars to broadcast the NFL, wouldn't you hire someone else to do the commentary?
Yeah I know half the people are below average intelligence. But most people aren't deaf.
I'd like to see the marketing research behind this. Really.
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If you have Blair White on your fantasy team, do you get credit for that pass defense?
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Only if he "picked it off" and ran it back the other way for a Titans TD. Which was entirely possible....
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colts run a draw on 4th and 4... nice call.
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For all the ridicule that Pierre Garcon has come in for around these parts, that was a really nice play that ought to have iced this one.
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Strange that they then went so conservative though......
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Wow - Jeff Fisher really blew it with that last punt.
And yes, the failure to tackle Garcon was terrible, too.
Occurs to me that there was pretty flagrant DPI on the second-to-last play, not that it mattered, given that the Titans scored on the next play.
If the offense is down 9 points, and they need a TD plus an onside kick recovery, there is an incredible incentive for the defense to commit DPI, just to burn clock. Commit penalty, penalty, penalty, as long as the clock is burning, just to delay the TD. Sure it's bad sportsmanship, but hey, that's just another penalty!
Terrible game management at the end by the Titans.
If you don't think Chris Johnson can get 1 yard against the Colts on 4th down, why even coach this game? The Colts have the 27th best rush defense in the NFL.
But Jeff Fisher is going to escape blame because he did the conventional thing: punt. Even though there was less than five minutes on the clock, his team was down 6, and the other team had Peyton Manning at QB. Jeff Fisher should take at least as much flak as Belichick did last year when the Pats went for it on 4th and 2.
Finally, I'm guessing gamblers around the country who took the Colts and gave 3.5 points were screaming as the Titans covered the spread with 0:00 on the clock.
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The reasoning in the comment booth went as followed
"shouldn't you go for it?"
"Why time enough to punt"
"yeah but you're punting to Peyton Manning"
"so... they stopped them last drive."
So you're giving up 21+ points already, and IT IS PEYTON MANNING, you're going to punt.?
Ridiculous time management at the end too. Go for endzone 3 times, if not, field goal.
These passes for 5 yards; you'd better swat them down as a receiver to save clock. 3rd oldest starting QB in the league. Hasn't learned much.
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Yes, the booth commentary was cringe-worthy.
4th and 1!!!
But since they'd gotten a stop against the Colts on the previous drive, that was somehow more important than the fact that the Colts had moved the ball with ease most of the evening.
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That logic was nowhere near as bad as them both arguing that they should've kicked the FG from the 14 then onside kicked it and hoped for a TD from their own 40 with less than :30 left. It was made even stupider by the fact that they kept talking about it for several plays afterward.
The Colt D should be embarrassed after that performance.
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"so... they stopped them last drive."
Yes, and clearly, that was a trend that was likely to continue.
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Can someone explain what these coaches are doing every week? We hear how they spend 14+ hours working every day yet hardly any are smart enough to manage a simple clock. Even if you ignore the ridiculous 4th Down Punt, the time management at the end was comical.
How can they waste the entire time trying for the TD and not even get a chance at the Onsides Kick? Heck, as soon as they are in decent field goal position (maybe 20 or 25 yard line or so) they should be kicking the fg. They could have had roughly 40 seconds and a Time Out left to attempt an Onsides Kick and go for the TD. Any Madden player or even anyone smart knows you need time to kick the onsides kick and run plays if you are forunate to recover it.
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Spread was Colts -3, I think that explains it all.
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Are you kidding? You'd rather kick from inside the 20 and then try to score a TD after recovering a kick at your own 40?
Play for the TD when the TD is at least somewhat easy to obtain. The field is a lot shorter after a successful onside kick when all you need is a FG.
The error wasn't in the decision to try for a TD, it was in the plays they ran and the inexplicable decision to throw over the middle (and catch it) short of the goal line.
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Exactly.
Toss it into the endzone 3 times, not inbounds, not short and then kick. Then get the onside and hope a clown on a purple kangaroo will help you get the touchdown.
If you made the TD, getting into FG range will do.
Really, what the titans did, was the worst thing they could do.
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When time gets low you are better off going for the FG right away to save time. In that situation the Defense will be covering the sidelines and Endzone leaving only the middle open. If you have to toss it into the endzone and hope for a miracle I'd rather do it Down 6 knowing a completion wins the game rather than knowing I need a lucky play to even have a chance at the onsides kick.
Ironically, Norv Turner is 1 of the only coaches I have seen go for the kick the FG strategy right away (did it in 2007 @GB ) but they were unable to recover the onsides kick.
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It's not as clear as that. Once you get to the 25, you very close to the end zone which is hard to do. Your chances of scoring a TD from there are much higher than after recovering the on-side kick.
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Your chances after recovering the on-side kick are zero if you spend so much time scoring the TD that the extra point happens after 0:00.
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That's not really a counter-argument - I think we all agree, that the Tians' way was the worst of all.
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Why did the Cardinals sign Bartel to be their short term backup QB? Did Jeff Garcia laugh at them when he was offered money?
I mean, it's not like the Cardinals actually care about what their current backup QB can do for the remaining four games. They just want somebody who can go out there when Skelton gets hurt, not get killed, and maybe show a touch of competency so they can evaluate the other players on the roster. And also give advice to Skelton about not getting killed. And perhaps not cost a lot.
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Forecast for downtown Chicago:
Sunday: Snow and areas of blowing snow. Temperature falling to around 20 by 5pm. Wind chill values as low as zero. Very windy, with a north northwest wind 5 to 10 mph increasing to between 30 and 35 mph. Winds could gust as high as 55 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New snow accumulation of 3 to 7 inches possible.
Are you ready for some football?
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And the current forecast is similar:
Very windy. Snow. Areas of blowing snow. Snow accumulation of 4 to 6 inches. Total snow accumulation 4 to 8 inches. Much colder. Highs in the mid 20s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 35 mph at times becoming north and increasing to 30 to 40 mph with gusts up to 50 mph at times. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.
Great break for the Bears! That'll wipe out NE's passing game (I remember the 2008 NE@BUF game with similar winds (though no snow). I think both teams combined for something like 20 pass attempts). I'll be surprised if NE can win.
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You think the Bears have a better running game than the Pats? FO has the Pats' rushing game #1 in DVOA, while the Bears are #26.
The Pats' Achilles heel is their pass defense. I don't see how a team that cannot pass would hope to move the ball.
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I live 2 blocks away from Soldier Field. The blizzard out here is unbelievable. Winds gusting so hard that the snow hurts when it hits your face. Good thing I'm not going outside anymore today. Can't imagine what it will be like once the sun goes down.
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Patriots LB Brandon Spikes has been suspended four games, starting this Sunday against the Bears.
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Why don't teams vacate wins because their players used steroids?
I bet that would stop PED use.
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It hasn't stopped NCAA boosters from cheating.
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It would if the NCAA would catch and punish them in the middle of the season.
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Sure, but it's not going to happen. The NCAA said that rules were broken in the Cam Newton saga but didn't do anything of any impact about it.
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I'm just saying that, If Auburn had been disallowed from the BCS right now and the Pats kicked from the playoffs right now, I'm fairly certain that violations would decrease.
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Perhaps. I think people cheat because they don't fear getting caught, not because the punishments aren't severe enough. Don't forget that Spikes will miss four games, and lose 1/4 of his salary. That is a pretty hefty punishment.
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Pats fans don't care that he got caught. They are really just sad that he won't be available for the next four games. What would Pats fans be doing to Spikes if he cost them their best season since Brady's knee got scrambled.
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Your suggestion wouldn't matter to Spikes. The article says nothing about steroids.
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I absolutely agree with you that such punishments would essentially kill these violations. I just don't see it happening though.
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Just because you don't see it happening does not make it a bad plan.
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I never said it was. I'm not sure why you would think I would think that. After all, I did agree with you.
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:)
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Or provide an excellent avenue for a player to exert leverage:
"Hey, coach, want to go to the playoffs this year? You'd better give me a big bonus, or just maybe I'll get caught doing something bad..."
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Alexander -- The substance that Spikes was reportedly using was Adderall. He may have been abusing it as a stimulant, but it's equally plausible that he has a diagnosis of ADD or ADHD, and didn't do sufficient diligence about the chemicals in his prescription medication. If the latter is the case, Spikes is guilty of making a mistake, but I don't think it's one worthy of a 4-game suspension, much less forfeiture of wins.
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Just that it may or may not be applicable in this case doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered.
Adderall is a performance enhancer nonetheless and if he had a prescription he wouldn't be suspended because many players have ADD or AHDH.
I don't think that there is a strong argument that players don't understand the PED policy, its not difficult at all.
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You proposed the idea in a reply to a comment that was specifically about Spikes, so I interpreted that as advocating for its use in this case.
My understanding was that a player can be punished for using a substance on the banned list even with a prescription, if the player doesn't follow certain procedures to clear use with the league. However, I may be completely mistaken about that, and if so, then there's much less reason to argue for leniency on Spikes' behalf.
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I think you must jump through a few additional hoops, because otherwise players would doctor-shop and get prescriptions for testosterone etc.
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So with the deflation of the dome, the Vikes might have to play out in the snow ? Like the game should be played?
And the Giants are crying because they "didn't bring their cold gear" ? WAAAAH. Manup.
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what the fark? moving the game to Detroit?
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OMAR needs to go. Just got scorched by a farking OT catching a touchdown.
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How does an OT get to be an eligible receiver?
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*not sure if serious dot jpg*
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He lines up in the usual spot of a TE or FB, and the offense reports to the refs that he is eligible.
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line up at an eligible spot (the 2 on the outside on the LOS, or in the backfield) and declare eligible to the refs.
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Similarly, Andy Reid and Marty Schottenheimer are both worthless coaches because they've coached teams that gave up touchdowns on tackle-eligible plays.
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A guy who could never win in the postseason and a guy generally regarded as having the worst sense of clock management of all time ?
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Like I said, worthless!
Out of curiosity, could you list all of the coaches in NFL history who you think are/were good?
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Imagine what FOT thinks about all those coaches who gave up TDs to Mike Vrabel.
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Or worse, Dan Klecko.
In an AFC Championship Game, no less.
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Oh look, Sean Considine misses a tackle. Result: 67 yard TD reception by McFadden.
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3rd and 8, the Raiders make a 5 yard outlet pass to McFadden, which turns into a 67 yard touchdown. Nice job on defense there, Jacksonville.
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3rd and 1, the Packers throw. Sack.
As a Lions fan, I'm both dumbfounded by and grateful for the playcall.
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Ryan Torain has runs of 54, 23, 12, and 10 yards (overall, 7 carries for 102 yards), but the Redskins haven't turned any of that yardage into points. Their first drive was mostly the 54-yarder, and Graham Gano clanked a 34-yarder off the upright. The second drive ends in a punt.
LeGarette Blount has also started strong (3 carries for 28 yards), and given the messy conditions and the Redskins' total failure to stop Brandon Jacobs last week, I expect he'll continue to have an excellent day.
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And Torain starts his third drive with a 14-yarder. The Bucs are getting absolutely gashed on the stretch play, with or without Gerald McCoy (who left about halfway through the first quarter).
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Another 12-yarder. The Redskins have a total of 14 carries for 144 yards. That may very well be a season-high, and it's not even three minutes into the second quarter! That said, the Bucs will start stacking the box sooner or later, and forcing the Redskins to throw could mean the end of all this offensive competency nonsense.
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Torain adds a 19-yarder. At the two-minute warning, Torain has 18 carries(!) for 158 yards.
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FOX just showed video from inside the Metrodome when roof tore under the weight of the snow. Awesome video, though I'm certainly grateful nobody was under there.
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Said video. It's like an hour glass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2K53bkzX2I
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Yeah. I have tickets next week.
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Detroit brings us a perfect example of a pick that's 100% the fault of the receiver.
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Gano misses his second short FG, this one a 24-yarder. Sheesh.
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Perhaps due to those first two misses, the Redskins go for it on 4th and Goal from the 1. They convert by throwing to their third-string TE, Logan Paulsen. Gano promptly hooks the XP left, but it just manages to pass through the uprights before hitting the net far wide of the posts.
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Gano manages to put in a 25-yarder ... barely.
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Apparently if Tampa Bay can just keep Washington out of the endzone, Graham Gano will take care of the rest.
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Apparently if Tampa Bay can just keep Washington out of the endzone, Graham Gano will take care of the rest.
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How is it Atlanta 14, Carolina 0? Both Carolina lines decided to not bother trying whatsoever, and, things have snowballed from there.
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And then Charles Johnson sacks Matt Ryan! :O
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Steelers getting smashed left and right by the Bungles.
Good thing Omar the Great has em prepped and ready to go today, since they have nothing to play for or anything.
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Vikes game is cancelled so the Steelers are on. Whoo! They're behind and the offense isn't playing well. No so whoo.
Ouch, a bengal got hurt badly. Looks like he's done for today. (cpt Understatement)
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SICK PICK6 by Troy P
but he hurt himself.
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I always thought Polamalu was a bit overrated.
During this season, I came to the conclusion he's not.
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Certainly been there...
/Baltimore fan
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I can't imagine how terrible GB's Offensive DVOA will be for the 1st Half. 4 Punts and 2 Turnovers vs DET is unspeakably bad.
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Ryan Torrain is over 150 yards in the first half.
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And he'd be over 100 even if you take away his long of 54; he also has carries of 23, 19, 14, 12, 12, and 10 yards. However, a lot of credit goes to the Redskins' OL, as well as a lot of discredit to the Buccaneers' front 7.
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Atlanta has 189 yards of offense. We have 16. And there's 2:43 left to go in the half.
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2:34, rather.
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At the two minute warning of the first half, we have -5 yards passing.
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Make that -11.
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Strange turn of events in OAK/JAX. Jags WR is in the process of completing a catch, Tyvon Branch tackles him and forces an iffy fumble that is recovered by Mike Mitchell (yes, Mike Mitchell). They say there was holding on JAX, which is of course declined. Then they say the Jags receiver was ruled down by contact, despite that they announced it was a change of possession, but the penalty is accepted so it's a replay of the down. Raiders have challenged the play, so stay tuned.
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After review, it's Oakland's ball. Mike Mitchell made a play. I repeat, Mike Mitchell made a play.
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The Redskins take a Delay of Game penalty.
On 3rd and Goal from the 2.
After taking a time-out.
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You can take the McNabb out of Reid, but not the Reid of out McNabb.
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But who's to blame, McNabb or Shanahan?
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I think that one was on Shanahan; it seemed like both the players and the play came out late after the TO. Using the TO was also a bit of a strange decision at that point. There were 20 seconds left in the half, and it was their last time-out; by burning that TO, they probably couldn't afford to risk running the ball and getting stuffed outside of the end zone. I don't know for certain how long it takes to get a FG on the field, lined up, and have the ball snapped, but I think ~12 seconds would probably be pushing it.
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That's what I found particularly egregious. The Skins had just called a timeout, and they still get called for a delay-of-game?
And Donovan still tried to call a second timeout, in spite of
a) NFL rules don't allow a team to call two consecutive timeouts
b) the Redskins didn't have any timeouts left
Really a terrible sequence by the Redskins.
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Ben hit in the head again and no flag.
FARK YOU REFS.
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Matt Flynn is in for the Packers.
Rodgers appears to be injured, but no word as to what/how bad the injury is.
EDIT: Announcers are now finally saying it's a concussion and he will not return.
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Rodgers out in the Packers-Lions game. Probably concussed.
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Randel El catch of the week!
SICK!
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Bill was very right about the descriptiveness of the NFL's play-by-play varying wildly depending on who's doing it. For example, the WAS-TB scorer used the word "impetus."
"0-0-WAS 30: G.Gano kicks 36 yards from WAS 30 to TB 34, impetus ends at TB 29. P.Parker pushed ob at TB 38 for 4 yards (B.Westbrook)."
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Matt Flynn in for Rodgers.
Concussion. Rodgers will not return. Normal series of checks before he can come back next week.
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...and the Patriots catch a major break.
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Late hit by Williams there on Ben, uncalled.
Harrison doesn't get 1 step, he gets 3?
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I have no idea who Green Bay's backup is. Is it still Brodie Coyle or w/e the name was?
EDIT: I see it's Matt Flynn now. Wonder how that'll go. Though it feels kind of good to be on the "right" side of getting a QB knocked out of the game, for a change.
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Brodie Croyle is starting for the Chiefs today.
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Matt Flynn, who was the colleague of JaMarcus Russell at LSU. Croyle has spent his entire career in KC after being drafted by them in the 3rd round, and will start this week in placed of Matt Cassel.
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I like the phrase "colleague of JaMarcus Russell at LSU." Makes it sound like they wrote papers together for academic journals.
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Thanks -- I was going for exactly that.
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Brodie Croyle never played for the Packers.
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Well, I guess I'm just dumb. Or forgetful.
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This is like the second or third time this year that Ben has done an ill-timed spike that ended up forcing PIT to kick on 4th. This is a piece clock management that gets botched all the time, but which nobody ever seems to notice.
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Roethlisberger is not a particularly smart man.
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The hit on Roethlisberger on 3rd down HAS to be called late. The Bengal lineman got far more than a step after the ball was away. Yes, yes, I know, those of us who are Pittsburgh fans are always complaining about a double standard for quarterbacks, but if Manning is hit like that, it's called. If Brady is hit like that, it's called. If Harrison or Woodley hits someone like that, it's called. Some QB's are protected, some are fair game, and unfortunately for Ben, he's in the latter category.
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Comments like this remind me that Brady was hit late, low to the knee, by Bernard Pollard, ending his 2008 season before it even started. No penalty was called.
And yet Steelers' fans whine about how Brady always gets all the calls.
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Well, to be fair, ever since then he kind of has...
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They're not protecting him. They're protecting the hair.
NOTE: This is a joke.
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Well, since he lost a complete season after the season the Pats went 16-0, I would hope so!
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I'm sure this has been discussed, but does anyone else think they would've gone 16-0 again in 2008 with Brady against that schedule? I do. That would've been interesting.
The Bengals are just hitting everyone really hard today. Even on that back of the end zone forceout, they just blasted him.
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I don't think they would have gone 16-0, but considering that they went 11-5 with Matt Cassel as QB, I think it's reasonable to contend that they would have gone at least 12-4 with a healthy Brady for the whole season. So they would have made the playoffs instead of missing them.
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I forgot about the birth of the wildcat. I think it's possible that they'd have been similarly unprepared and defenseless regardless of their QB that day. So maybe not. Still fun/upsetting to think about, depending on your point of view.
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The Brady play helped initiate new rules. Despite those new rules, Ben is not getting the protection they're supposed to provide.
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Pollard could have been flagged under the rules that were in place at the time.
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He got blocked into a position where his only recourse was diving for Brady, IIRC. The play was called correctly.
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The diffrence is that the hit on Brady was by a DL who was falling to the ground, and couldn't really be expected to see whether the Qb still had the ball. The late hit that Ben just took was by a lineman who could clearly see that the ball was gone, and intentionally tackled the QB after the pass was away, just to dish out punishment. That should always be a penalty.
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Pollard plays D Line?
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I didn't know that "couldn't really be expected to see whether the QB still had the ball" was considered a valid defense to somebody accused of making a late hit.
Pollard wasn't falling to the ground. He was already on the ground. He was crawling around, and lunged toward Brady in a manner that could only hit the QB low. Even the rules at the time explicitly said that a defender isn't allow to intentionally hit the QB in the knees.
Also, Pollard was looking right at Brady while he was going for him.
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Also, Pollard is a noted late-hit artist who also ended Anthony Gonzalez's 2010 season and Wes Welker's 2009 season.
Well, not really to the latter, as that was the Houston turf monster, but Pollard got credit for the "tackle" so it's still his fault.
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Nice reasoning. Hope you're joking.
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About Welker? Well yeah, obviously.
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Didn't Carson Palmer get injured in that way?
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It's not the QB who matters with these situations, it's the refs. Some refs call things tight, some have a more "let em play" attitude.
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Exactly. Quit the whining. We all know the refs are bad, and we've all been victimized by it. Maybe if your QB would actually get rid of the damn ball before five seconds have elapsed and three defenders arrive, he'd take fewer hits and there wouldn't be as many chances for the refs to screw up.
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Sure, but for some reason every set of refs "lets em play" with BRoeth this year in a way they've proven they won't let happen with guys like Peyton Manning.
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I'm a Patriots fan, but there absolutely should have been late hits called a couple of times.
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...and the Redskins promptly fumble the 2nd half kickoff.
I'm so glad I'm not a Redskins fan. This is painful.
FALL ON THE BALL!
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Lots of shockingly bad football across the league in the first half. And not all that much of it is weather-related. Just dumb decisions, QBs standing around forever waiting to be sacked, Drew Henson running straight backwards to take a 19 yard loss, Garrard taking two dumb sacks to be taken out of FG range, Jennings dropping a long completion into Spievey's hands, McNabb being McNabb, etc. It's like watching the JV teams.
Question: Why would Green Bay decline the Personal Foul on the INT return? They accepted the block in the back and not the 15 yard UNR. Shouldn't a personal foul be enforced in addition to the block in the back? I know I've seen multiple penalties enforced on the same play. Seems like if that one's not enforced after another flag, you're basically giving people a free pass to go bludgeon somebody.
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I don't remember the play at the moment: I'm pretty sure the PF is only enforced "in addition" if it's after the play.
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Yeah, I'm sure that explains the difference. They didn't show it while I was watching, so I don't know what/when/where the UNR was. (Farther up the field than the BitB obviously.) But it still sounds like an opportunity for a free shot if you know your team has already been flagged. Seems like they shouldn't allow that.
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Penalty yards don't stack. It would have been either 15 yards from the end of the play if they accept the personal foul, or 10 yards from the point of the block if they accept that penalty.
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I'm not sure if my memory's faulty or not, but as I recall, penalty yards *can* stack, if the 2007 Pats-Ravens game is any evidence. After an insane series of events allowing NE to drive downfield for the eventually winning score, Bart Scott got assessed for stacking 15-yard penalties on the KO, letting the Pats boot it from the Ravens' 40.
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The penalties were after the play, so they stacked.
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Right, I was simply taking umbrage at the blanket statement that they "don't stack".
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I think that only happens if there are multiple personal fouls on one team or if there is a penalty during the play and a PF after the play.
Hail Hydra!
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I think it was a personal foul after the touchdown then another one during the XP.
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I believe it was roughness on the PAT and then unsportsmanlike (for chucking the flag into the stands) after the fact. So yes, probably correct.
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Landon Johnson is now down for the Lions.
EDIT: He's now being carted off.
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As a Colts fan, let me just say that I really do not look forward to the Raiders game at all. Especially if they end up getting flexed.
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James Harrison might have picked that batted ball off, were he not being held by the facemask...
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McFadden blows through another Considine tackle for a TD. Sean Considine is the rich man's Sabby Piscitelli.
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Drew Stanton is posting a mighty 3-11 line for 0 net yards on the day. Inside a dome.
Not to be outdone, Jimmy Claussen gets sacked out of field goal range, and the Panthers passing attack is at -13 yards on the day.
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Do people make a point of asking Mel Kiper why he was so positive about Jiimmy Clausen's future?
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Because he's buddy buddy with his agent.
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Oh, I know that. I just wish more people would be intent on publicly embarrassing Kiper. ESPN is going to do it.
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The Atlanta Falcons' d-line is a system of heat-seeking missiles. The Carolina Panthers' offensive line is a collection of wet paper bags. Guess who's winning that battle?
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After seeing Aaron Rodgers get knocked from the game due to a concussion sustained while not sliding, you'd think Matt Flynn might exercise a bit of caution.
Instead, impressive 3rd and 10 conversion run, head first dive... right into a teammate's knee. No harm done, but wow.
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Depth Chart only shows 2 QBs. Do they have a 3rd?
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If I can trust the commentators, no, GB does not have a 3rd QB. Which is a shame, because watching a 3rd QB-3rd QB matchup would be... special.
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Really, I should be cleaning the house instead of watching the Red Zone channel.
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You can't do both?
Clean all the things!
edit: (Context)
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cake Cake CAKE!
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(Awesome that you recognized that)
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Consistently funny. The cake bit is one of the ten funniest things I've ever read on the internet.
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At this rate, Don Majkowski will be starting for the Packers in Foxboro next week.
Or maybe Bart Starr?
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Now, I think the Pats are the best team in the league regardless, but man... it's a little annoying to see them getting a break for these next two games. The weather here completely negates their only weakness, and now next week they get a free pass against a good Quarterback, barring an unlikely recovery.
I guess it annoys me as a semi-Packer fan.
Tom Cable just threw the challenge flag more emphatically than anyone I've ever seen. And he's going to lose.
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I hear there's a movie coming out next year that will chronicle how a dark, mysterious cabal got together at a castle in Salem, MA, in 2000 and determined how the Patriots would dominate the NFL in the 21st Century. Seriously...Tuck rule, Spygate, Brady Rule, concussions. It's all there. At the end Terrell Suggs's puppy is even stomped to death on by Danny Woodhead. I smell Oscar.
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The Green Bay-Detroit game is truly dreadful
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It may as well be a Pottsville Maroons vs. Duluth Eskimos game.
Or, well, Green Bay Packers vs. Portsmouth Spartans.
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Portsmouth just scored a TD!
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First and Thirty?
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Is Pittsburgh playing that badly or is Cincy just really up for this game?
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Typical OMAR game.
No discipline.
Dumb fouls, not getting in refs ear about bad calls, not fired up early, poor game design on O, beat by terrible gimmick play on D, no real signs of concern, no "fire", just hanging around, playing up and down to competition. Thinking that kicking FGs will win you the game.
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Ben is obviously not himself, the Bengal D is fired up, and so we have a sloppy game that the Steelers will ultimately still win as long as Carson Palmer is Quarterbacking the Bengal offense. I wouldn't say they're playing terribly, they're just kind of off. Like almost every other team.
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Why do you bother? Mike Tomlin is wrong. He's always wrong. In the event he's not wrong, he's still wrong. Everything positive to Mike Tomlin is luck. The opponents are never trying and they never make a good play. It's always that Mike Tomlin has failed to properly anticipate and prepare his team for every single eventuality that could conceivably happen, no matter how unlikely or improbable. Mike Tomlin is, in fact, the Devil and acts in concert with Roger Goodell, all referees and the Tripartite Commission to destroy the Steelers.
Hail Hydra!
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Rinse and repost.
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Actually there is a lot of dreadful football being played today.
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Yea, this is a pretty bad early slate of games.
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...and Josh Freeman fumbles at the Redskins' 1-yard line.
Somebody was saying something about bad football?
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On First and Goal a half-yard from the goalline, Josh Freeman loses his grip of the ball, and the Redskins are bailed out. They've been absolutely dominated so far this half.
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no, he wasn't "in the way" from that view.
idiots
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It's kind of cool that your comments are so obscure that we don't even know what game you are watching.
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Steelers.
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Sorry, but I watch all games, as any serious NFL fan should/does.
It was in the JAX/OAK game about the sideline review.
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Steelers in a Randel El option pitch to Wallace out of the wildcat.
Wow.
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I want Matt Flynn to score on a QB sneak just so we can use the "In Like Flynn" line.
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Uncontested blitz up the A gap nearly beats the snap to Ben. So that was pretty bad.
And then they punt from the 32.
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It was 3rd-and-24. Better let the D go to work (and I said that even prior to the pick 6).
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I've watched something like 6 or 7 plays of the OAK-JAX game, and I've seen 3 TDs plus a turnover. And no, I don't have the RedZone channel.
Also, the JAX pass defense in a nutshell: Jason Campbell started out 12/15 for 233 yards and 2 TDs.
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I think that's the best game today @ 1.
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Palmer throws another pick 6.
Game Over.
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But the Bengals haven't even had the chance to punt at a disputably inappropriate time yet!
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Here you go. They punted and the Steelers come out with the one receiver formations.
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It would amuse me greatly if the Lions-Pack ended 3-0, and then there were 80mph winds next week that led to a 6-0 Packer win (turnover for TD, missed XP seems more likely than 2 FGs). 3-0, 6-0, 9-0 wins for the same team would make me smile.
I've been saying this for years, so it's nice that it's finally becoming more obvious: McNabb is bad.
Although that last sack wasn't his fault... jeez. Block, maybe?
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Poor Detroit fans--will they see a better game tomorrow? Root for the Giants againt Minny?
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Uh oh. Stanton has completed some passes and the Lions are in scoring range. How will they screw this up?
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The Lions have taken the lead.
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And they score! Wow. From 0 yards passing to an 80 yard TD drive. And now we get to see Flynn try to come back against a very good D Line. This could be an absolute disaster for the Pack playoff hopes.
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Well, we've scored now, so that means: total defensive breakdown for the remaining eight minutes, here we go!
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Just on cue, we're apparently playing prevent or near-prevent, and Flynn's marching the Pack down the field. Come on guys!
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I don't know how it's becoming "more obvious." He's been mediocre in his first year in a new offense with very little protection. If you've watched the Redskins much this year, you'll know that their pass blocking has been pretty consistently awful ... which is actually a step up from last year.
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Pass pro has very little to do with a general lack of intelligence and throwing screen passes into the ground behind the receiver. He has been doing that crap for years.
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His accuracy comes and goes, and his clock management is exactly what you'd expect from a player coached by Andy Reid for a decade. But he generally does pretty well with his reads, can keep more plays alive than the vast majority of QBs, and has a good arm. He's absolutely not -- and probably never has been -- a top-5 QB or anything, but I would argue that he's been above-average for most of his career. Unless you have a highly unconventional definition of "bad," I don't think you'll find much evidence that he's been a bad QB his whole career. Can you name 20 QBs who were better than him in each season of his career?
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Top 5? I think he was for a large part of the 00s. Who would you take over him from 2000-2005? P Manning, Brady, Trent Green, then who? Brett Favre? Rich Gannon? Steve McNair? I could see Kurt Warner I guess. Unless you have to play outside on grass.
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Carson Palmer throws a second pick-6, this one to Lamar Woodley.
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Mixed game for Carson Palmer. On the one hand he only ended up with 5.6 yards per attempt. But on the other hand he threw three touchdown passes.
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The Bucs Run D: When its Torrain, its porous.
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Impressive. Very impressive.
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WOODLEY pick6.
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Steelers Offense: 6 points. Cincy: 7 points. Steelers D: 14 points. Well, it's clear where the best unit in that game is.
Heh, unit.
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If you want to make an argument for Rodgers as MVP, look what the Packers are reduced to without him....
I mean I know Brady pretty much has it wrapped up, but we've seen the Pats play well without Brady...
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Except they were looking pretty lousy offensively today even when he was in the game.
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I'm not sure "his backup's much worse than he is" is a good argument for giving somebody the MVP, especially for a quarterback.
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Personally I think it's a terrible one. Punish the best player because his supporting cast is also good!
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That happened in reverse to Matt Cassel. People thought he was pretty good because the Patriots had a good season with him in place of Tom Brady.
No, Brady is overrated and the Patriots as a team are just that good.
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Looking at the way the Chiefs got smoked today - maybe Cassel is the real MVP.
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On 2nd and 15, Carson Palmer... falls down. Brilliant.
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They're not even trying anymore. Screen passes, dumps and oh look. An interception.
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Not that anyone is watching the Browns-Bills, but Delhomme is not very good.
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Wow. Orakpo gets corralled, Barron-style, on a long TD pass to Kellen Winslow. Then the refs take away a good return by Brandon Banks on a very borderline hold called on Mike Sellers. Then the refs blow a questionable catch by Santana Moss dead prematurely; if he caught it, the quick whistle took away 30+ YAC.
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There isn't indisputable evidence in either direction on the the pass to Moss, so the incomplete call stands.
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Wouldn't he have been down by contact anyway?
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I don't think he was touched...
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Two minute warning, Redskins down by 7. Rex Grossman time...
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Some GB defender just whanged into Stanton, helmet first, helmet-to-helmet, after the ball was thrown. Stanton shaken up (dear lord please no concussion). No flag, no mention of helmet-to-helmet by commentators.
Sometimes being a Lions fan sucks.
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Lions win! Lions win!
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It's not over yet, don't jinx it!
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Sometimes?
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Hey, we were winning, and we won. I'm inclined to be optimistic for a week.
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Kyle Boller in for Oakland after a sack takes Campbell out. After a promising few plays, backbreaking interception. I'm getting flashbacks to Baltimore years '03-'07.
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It sucks being a redskins fan. Really, really sucks.
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do they owe you reparations?
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I can't even finish the sentence "just go for two, with the way this game is going this is a terrible idea" before the botched snap on the PAT ends the game with the Redskins losing.
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Redskins, you gotta be kidding me! can't snap an extra point to tie game with 10 seconds left???
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Wow--Washington will lose because of a missed XP? Actually, the missed FGs also helped.
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Last time I recall that happening was Lions vs Vikings, 28-27 back in the Joey Harrington era.
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Probably the most memorable one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Od9C2dKiCI
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I remember the Saints a few years ago missed the playoffs on a missed extra point after a crazy circus play. I don't remember how long ago that was.
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That was the play I linked to in the post directly above yours; it happened in 2003.
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Well, if it's any consolation:
1-10-TB 12(:49) (Shotgun) D.McNabb pass short right to A.Armstrong to TB 3 for 9 yards (C.Lynch).
Timeout #2 by WAS at 00:32.
2-1-TB 3(:32) D.McNabb pass incomplete short right to R.Williams.
3-1-TB 3(:28) R.Torain right end ran ob at TB 6 for -3 yards (T.Crowder).
4-4-TB 6(:18) D.McNabb pass incomplete short middle to F.Davis.
Washington Redskins 0:04
4-4-TB 6(:13) D.McNabb pass short middle to S.Moss for 6 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
That's right. 5th down scores the potential game tie.
I hate to see the Skins lose under any circumstances, but better it end like this than go to overtime on that grade of clusterfuck.
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They said on the broadcast that the Armstrong catch was ruled to be for a first down. Dunno if that was CYA at its finest, or what.
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Wow. And now the Packers are probably going to miss the playoffs because their QB didn't slide. Ugh.
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McCarthy, 4th and 1 and you go for broke? Maybe if it was Rodgers, I could see it, but with Flynn?
I love red zone ;) don't miss directv at all.
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I can't decide what I want: Jags to lose to slip back to a tie with the Colts, or Jags to win, forcing the Colts to play under more pressure and eliminating the possibility that the 12/26 game gets flexed.
Either way, looks like we could have an interesting finish, unless Boller is just teasing us again.
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Awful tackling and the Raiders have already tied it. Too early. Still lots of time for America's QB to lead a FG drive now.
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America's QB?
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Raiders/Jags is entertaining. At least Raiders can kick a tying extra point.
edit... but they can't cover a kickoff...
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And the Raiders don't even bother to make the Jags work for it. Geez.
Hail Hydra!
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MJD with a TD to save my fantasy team's chances.
However, Oakland has time to score again to make this even more interesting.
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Am I the only one who think the Raiders intentionally let MJD score there? I mean if Raiders make a valiant stand that eats up the clock, and they kick a winning FG most likely. Now they got a good chance to tie it up.
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It looked a lot like it. Doesn't mean it's intentional though.
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Jax-Raiders game is on... quite entertaining.
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So after the Steelers game, CBS has switched to Oakland-Jacksonville just after the Raiders tied it at 31. I watched two plays: Jax return man going 65 yards and MJD ripping through the Raiders D to retake the lead.
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5th and one. I just want to point out, that the the spread was Tamba -3.
Man, I'd would be pissed!
I'm very much not pissed, as I don't gamble, and my Fantasy opponent has McFadden on his bench.
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Your opponent decided to not start McFadden against the Jags? Who did he start?
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Foster and Tomlinson, so I'm not out of the woods yet...
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The talking heads are claiming a bad call on that hit that knocked Campbell out. Apparently they didn't see the helmet-to-helmet hit.
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Campbell doesn't have Vick's arm, but surely he can throw it 40 yards to endzone, yes? What the hell was that?
Hail Hydra!
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Raiders receiver should've dropped it.
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I still don't know whether I can consider Jacksonville legitimately good, first place in their division or not. I certainly don't think they're even a conference contender, let alone Super Bowl threat - they've not really got a defense.
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Well, most Jags fans don't consider them serious conference contenders and don't think they haeve a defense. So you're not alone. But they are in year 2 of a massive rebuilding project that most thought would take 3-4 years. They're better than they were last year--when things don't go their way, they don't collapse. You can see that within individual games (like getting down 10 to Oakland) and in the way that they didn't spin out of control after two early blowouts.
What they are is a team with a dominant running game (in TEN last week, Maurice Jones-Drew averaged 7 yards per carry on plays where TEN had 8 or more in the box) and a passing game that is getting more efficient. They gave up a lot of yards to the raiders on the ground, but most of those came on a just a handful of really bad plays. Their run defense has really improved since they played at KC. Their pass defense was improving until Courtney Green got hurt at safety.
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And there go Oakland's faint playoff hopes...
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Collapsing Metrodome video:
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1246291/b2b5d282/stadion_minneapolis_gaa...
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So I go to Chipotle to get a burrito before the Pats game starts. Listening to the Redskins on the radio (and let me say, Sam Huff and Sonny Jurgensen make that quite an experience).
First I hear the TD pass to Kellen Winslow.
"He's been around for a while," says Jurgensen.
"That's his son," says Huff.
Anyway, so the Redskins somehow manage to get the tying TD before the clock runs out. "I'll just go into the Chipotle quickly and be back in the car for OT" I think.
Should know better than to take a Redskins PAT for granted.
The Redskins are showing all the signs of being a poorly coached team.
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Simms: The New England Patriots aren't from Miami. Makes sense, cause then the'd be the Miami Patriots.
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It also makes sense because there's already the Miami Dolphins.
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...and how can the Pats' 3rd down defense be this bad? They have the Bears at 3rd and 18 and promptly give up a 19-yard pass.
Baffling.
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Yes, and I guess if you were climbing into bed with Angelina Jolie tonight, you'd be complaining about her fat lips....
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"Comments like this remind me that Brady was hit late, low to the knee, by Bernard Pollard, ending his 2008 season before it even started. No penalty was called.
And yet Steelers' fans whine about how Brady always gets all the calls."
1. You complain about me "whining" and then post a complaint about one play your team does poorly in the course of blowing out a conference leading opponent? As membership chair, I'm reviewing your application to the whiners' club, and I think I can assure you that you'll be accepted.
2. Welcome to Sample Size Theatre--yes, it was a horrific hit on Brady and he didn't get the call. It was one time.
3. On the Monday night game, Collinsworth quoted Andy Reid's complaints about the hits Michael Vick has been taking and said something to the effect that "Manning gets that call...Brady gets that call." Is it "Steelers' fans," or is it an increasingly common perception.
4. Even though it's may be an increasingly common perception, it may be wrong; unlike some posters here, I myself have been wrong a few times in the past. I will admit that most of the examples that come to mind have involved Manning, who seems to receive the benefit of a flag if the defender looks at his helmet disapprovingly.
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Is Mark Sanchez psychologically damaged?
Or can he rebound?
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He rebounded from his INT prone performances last season.
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Two long TD drives for the Patriots and it's 14-0. They're making it look easy.
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Yeah, the snow isn't bothering the offense at all.
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By itself, snow is harmless. It's easier to deal with than rain. It's the wind, which appears to have taken a break (at least it has at my house), that's a real issue.
It just amazed me, though, how much better prepared the Patriots are for bad weather than every other team.
Hard to say that should be overturned, even though he sure seemed down... his butt was on the shoe, not the actual ground. If it's 21-0, that's game over right there, and quite possible the third consecutive enormous blowout win in snow for the Patriots.
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Where was his left elbow/forearm?
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Not near the ground.
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I'm hard-pressed to be comfortable with any lead with the Pats' defense.
But yeah, that's a killer turnover.
The Bears are in dire need of a scoring drive.
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...and like that, a fumble return and it's NE 21-0. But was it really a fumble? Hard to tell.
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I <3 Devin McCourty.
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From Patriots twitter:
Some impressive stat lines so far: BenJarvus Green-Ellis has 7 carries for 50 yards (7.1 avg). Tom Brady is 10-14-112 yds, 118.8 rating
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Patriots should just start Onside kicking. Kick coverage clearly isn't easy in the snow.
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Bears punt, Edelman brings it back 42 yards (somehow a hold is not called on 38), Dave writes Game Over in his notebook.
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Santonio Holmes with one of the worst drops of the year costs the Jets 4 points. 10-3 Fins.
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Funny commentators praising Slater and his "heads up play/not giving up" for catching D.Manning on that KOR, while the only reason he was able to make that tackle is because he was being manhandled 20 yards away from the kick returner.
And hey, yeah Urlacher, the Bears are really the best team in the NFL. 24-0 in the snow, that is pretty bad.
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A 30-yard FG in the snow looks like quite an adventure. I wouldn't count on any FG longer than that today in Chicago.
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...another fumble by the Bears!
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Wow, Chicago fans are flipping the channel right now...
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Or flipping the table over at their local bar...
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I'm not feeling good about this FG by Graham--but he makes it!
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The Bears have 32 net yards and are down 27-0. Time to see what's for dinner.
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The Bears look demoralized. Not quite as badly as the Jets did last week, but it's getting there.
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The Bears are determined to drop possible INTs. That's three chances missed so far.
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How do the Bears let that happen on the last play of the half???
Incredible.
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Are the Patriots running up the score?
;-)
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Urlacher drops an interception and then the deep half safety decides not to play the deep half...
Another missed extra point.