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23 Dec 2010

Week 16 Open Discussion Thread

Talk about the Week 16 action here!

Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 23 Dec 2010

113 replies , Last at 29 Dec 2010, 1:19pm by Arkaein

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by BJR :: Thu, 12/23/2010 - 9:54pm

Anybody home?

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Thu, 12/23/2010 - 10:11pm

How was that not 15?

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Thu, 12/23/2010 - 10:17pm

Wallace is FAST!
He has had some screens this season where he was... gone. But this one takes the cake.
All defenders take a bad angle, because of his speed.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Thu, 12/23/2010 - 10:18pm

If Sanders keeps emerging and through the offseason, with a decent OL pickup in the draft (one can hope) , if Ward plays one more year, they'll have a great multi-level passing attack ...

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by Theo :: Thu, 12/23/2010 - 10:26pm

key phrase: one more year.
They do need a Ward type of player. Miller or one of the other TE's take his role, but we have enough speed demons. We need another Ward.
Take one or 2 oline-men and... ah well. Won the super bowl with a line like this.
(causation/correlation?)

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Thu, 12/23/2010 - 10:37pm

That head fake and shoulder twist from Sanders was SICK.

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Thu, 12/23/2010 - 10:21pm

Theisman arguing with matt millen... my ears are bleeding.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Thu, 12/23/2010 - 10:59pm

WHY THE HELL spike that instead of use the TO?

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Thu, 12/23/2010 - 11:01pm

thats why, you know you're going to take an idiotic sack.

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by BJR :: Thu, 12/23/2010 - 11:09pm

That certainly isn't the first time I've seen an offence do that this season, and yeah, it's just plain old bad game-management.

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by Theo :: Thu, 12/23/2010 - 11:26pm

what's the difference between using a TO or a spike in that situation?
They prob wanted to save the time out to kick the FG.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Thu, 12/23/2010 - 11:31pm

using the TO, you have more initial time (25 secs vs 17 IIRC).... can always spike it on 3rd if need be.

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by BigCheese :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 1:26am

That and, if you're not planning on getting sacked, means you can probably take 3 shots at the end-zone instead of two.

- Alvaro

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by BJR :: Thu, 12/23/2010 - 11:24pm

Why is Pittsburgh calling a QB draw near the goalline there? Their man is already banged up and this one is over.....

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by 'nonymous (not verified) :: Thu, 12/23/2010 - 11:37pm

Sure looked like a first down to me...

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Thu, 12/23/2010 - 11:43pm

Game over. Bring in the substitutes.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Thu, 12/23/2010 - 11:48pm

Javone Bess vs Detroit or...
Santonio Holmes vs Chicago.
Or Nate Washington vs KC.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sat, 12/25/2010 - 8:06pm

anybody else watching the Crapmas night game ?

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sat, 12/25/2010 - 8:26pm

well, guess not .

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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Pats DL to be MIA again
by PatsFan :: Sat, 12/25/2010 - 9:46pm

Pats have announced the first round of outs tonight:

Connolly
Hernandez (uh-oh)
Cunningham
Deaderick
Pryor
Wright

I hope Wilfork is up to playing virtually the entire defensive game again.

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Re: Pats DL to be MIA again
by hughesm12 :: Sat, 12/25/2010 - 10:02pm

so with connolly out, does that mean the pats will have to use tate on kick returns?

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Re: Pats DL to be MIA again
by MJK :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 1:43am

I'm more worried about the D-line than Hernandez. The Pats have played games where he was minimized anyway, and Buffalo's defense doesn't really scare me.

But Buffalo has a good rushing attack with some powerful backs, and the Patriots are to the point where the scrubs replacing their normal D-lineman need to be replaced.

DE/OLB Cunningham - out
DE Deaderick - out
DT Pryor - out
DT Wright - out

DL Brace - Questionable (concussion, might not be cleared to play)
DE/OLB Banta-Cain - Questionable

That's 3 lineman and an OLB (who, in a 3-4, is like a lineman) definitely out, and two others questionable. For those not keeping track, that leaves the following D-lineman healthy:

Wilfork
Warren
Kyle Love (undrafted rookie)
Eric Moore (active for just 2 games this season)
Landon Cohen (newly signed street free agent)

And at OLB:
Rob Ninkovitch

I'm not sure who is going to spell Wilfork and Warren when they get tired. And I'm not sure who is going to play OLB, period...

Add to that that their best run-stopping safety James Sanders is questionable with the flu, and it looks to be a long day for stopping the Bills rushing attack, to say nothing of getting pressure on Fitzpatrick...

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by Chip Paint (not verified) :: Sat, 12/25/2010 - 11:54pm

Heck of a finish to the Crapmas game. Missed extra point comes back to bite Jerry J.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by asaltz :: Sat, 12/25/2010 - 11:57pm

Would've been a more fitting ending if the Cardinals had lost the opportunity to kick that field goal from a ten second runoff.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by BigCheese :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 1:20am

I look at it as moronic decission to kick the XP down 2 comes back to bite them in the end.

- Alvaro

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 12:03am

Week 16 and finally knocked out of the survival league. Cowboys have 24 first downs while Cardinals have 10, but Kitna throws 2 pick sixes the the Cardinals in the 4th quarter. And then Kitna's injured and leaves the game.

Even then the Cowboys are so much better than the Cardinals that their 3rd string QB leads them to a 4th quarter lead.

But the kicker clangs the upright on the PAT. Cardinals get FG in last 10 seconds to win game by 1 point.

This is have survival league runs end...but usually much earlier in the year.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by Boots Day :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 12:53am

When they pulled within 21-19 after scoring a TD with about a minute left in the third quarter, I assumed the Cowboys would go for two. But Marion Barber incurred a 15-yard penalty for yanking off his helmet on the field, which was to be assessed on the kickoff.

If the Cowboys had gone for two, could the Cardinals have chosen to take the 15-yarder on the extra-point try? Or is that penalty automatically taken on the ensuing kickoff? Maybe that's why the Cowboys chose to go for one, because the Cardinals could have backed them up to the 17 if they had wanted to.

If there was no option to take the penalty there, then they really should have gone for two, despite Matt Millen's insistence that it was absolutely the right thing to kick the XP. Also, it would have been nice if the announcing team had discussed any of this.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by BigCheese :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 1:25am

Well, even if they can asses it on the XP try (which I don't think they can), by the time you line-up for the try they have already made the decission, so you know who to send. It was an idiotic call that lead to one of the most frustrating fourth quarter of football I have ever endured in a game I don't hae a rooting interest in since I:

a) Am playing agianst Miles Austin in my fantasy finals
b) Had the Cowboys to win in my pool

You'd think Austin scoring a TD when down 4 with a minuete and a half to go could not go wrong on both accounts. But you can't count out the 2010 Cowboys for pulling off the excruciating blunder...

- Alvaro

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 2:34am

The decision about the penalty is made before the decision about whether to go for 1 or 2.
Taking the 15 yards on the PAT (if possible) would only serve to guarantee that the Cowboys would kick.
Basically, as always, Matt Millen is wrong about everything.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by PatsFan :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 6:42am

Wow! Something TMQ wrote about was actually relevant for once.

(He was saying that more teams should take the penalty on the try so that
the try would be from the 1 instead of the 2 (half-the-distance) and then
go for two.)

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by Snowy Eagles Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 2:21pm

I cant believe they canceled tonights Eagles game. Cant they just flex it back to 1? If they lose that means they will be on short rest for the last week against the Cowboys.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by Kurt :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 2:30pm

Sure, if it were Star Trek they could have used transporters to get 80,000 people into the stadium by 1:00.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by JonFrum :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 6:40pm

The eagles playing in a blizzard? I see no problem - as long as Santa doesn't show up and provoke them.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by Israel P. (not verified) :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 2:27pm

Browns score a TD. Ravens flagged for encroachment on extra point and after that the Ravens challenge the touchdown.

I would have thought that the encroachment was the beginning of the next play, so you can no longer challenge the TD.

Shows what I know!

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by Chocolate City (not verified) :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 2:32pm

Jamaal Charles making fantasy owners happy.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 3:08pm

I'm Cutlers biggest defender, but that was horrible: He had 7 to 8 seconds (literaly) to throw the ball, 3 of which was spent outside the tacklebox, and he takes a 6 yard sack on 2nd-and-10 from his own 10.

Replay showed that nothing was open, but for God's sake just throw it away!

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 3:09pm

Also: Sanchez is playing really well against a very good opponent.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by AlanSP :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 3:11pm

Phil Simms just said "it's not that the receivers are covered, it's that the defensive backs are in position to intercept the pass or knock it down"

Isn't that pretty much the definition of being covered?

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 3:14pm

"It's not that [the Wide Recievers] are covered, but the [defensive backs] are in position to knock it down or intercept it."

Quote, you guessed it, Phil Simms.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by NYExpat :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 3:21pm

I dunno. I interpreted that as meaning the DBs were closing after the ball was released.

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 3:34pm

If a defensive back can get to the ball before the reciever, the reciever is covered.

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by NYExpat :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 4:01pm

Right, like you've never seen a db close on a receiver when it looked like there was space.

I'm not saying Simms is a genius or anything, but the vendetta of pedantry here against him is just idiotic.

Anyway, I'm done talking about it. Wondering how it's possible to win the Mike Martz award with Martz on the other sideline, but Ryan's pulling it off, dammit.

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by SFC B (not verified) :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 3:39pm

Shhhhh... don't mention Phil Simms. The FO writers will then mention in in Audibles and that will start the whining again.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by CoachDave :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 3:31pm

And once again, the Lions get royally screwed by Instant Replay. The WR was clearly out-of-bounds...how does that catch not get overturned?

Honestly, the 2010 Lions have been screwed by bad officiating more than any team in NFL history.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by BJR :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 3:43pm

True, but how about the utterly pathetic attempt from the DB to intercept that ball? Not exatly helping themselves sometimes.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by CoachDave :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 6:15pm

Which has nothing to do with the missed call.

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by NYExpat :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 4:06pm

That's right, Santonio, *both* hands.

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by BJR :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 4:13pm

What the hell is going on in Chicago? I'm watching it, and I can't work it out.....

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by SFC B (not verified) :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 4:13pm

With the OPI call on St. Louis I have no idea what is or is not PI. I'm pretty sure they just flagged a Ram for PI because he engaged a tackler after the ball was caught.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by Mike Y :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 4:14pm

They are not showing the Bears-Jets game here, how is that game so high-scoring?

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 4:20pm

Bears are max-protecting a lot, and Cutler is just unleashing the dragon. From very good field position, since Rex hubris-machine Ryan is kicking to Hester.

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by Pilkington (not verified) :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 4:21pm

Apparently the Bears have realized that the Jets DBs not named Revis can't cover. Nor can any of the Bears DBs cover.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 6:05pm

Actually, Tillman had an OK game. However, Chris Harris is slow, Tim Jennings is not good, and the Jets actually got the linebackers a few times.

I think the field must have had an effect on this game, where DBs were having a hard time following WR cuts.

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by JonFrum :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 4:40pm

In that parka, Chan Gailey looks like an aging Ignatius J.Reilly from Confederacy of Dunces.

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by R (not verified) :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 4:46pm

3-6-BUF 45(7:27) (Shotgun) R.Fitzpatrick pass short right to N.Roosevelt to BUF 25 for -20 yards (P.Chung).

umm...what?

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 4:51pm

They marked the wrong 25 yard line. It was a 30 yard pass to the NE25.

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by SFC B (not verified) :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 4:59pm

Alex Smith is now in for Troy Smith. A performance, not injury switch. I think the NFC West just needs to be taken out and shot.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by Rocco :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 5:00pm

Are we sure we can't put the Chargers in the NFC West just for the rest of this season?

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by BJR :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 5:43pm

Thankfully it isn't going to be the 49ers. They are a shambles. At least the Rams look like they are building a team that might compete for a few years to come, and Seattle were showing signs of having a good defence before injuries crippled them.

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by R (not verified) :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 4:59pm

And NE forces its 7th turnover in BUF

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by BJR :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 5:05pm

With the Rams winning tonight, Seattle literally has nothing to play for in its game with Tampa starting now. Do they sit the starters?

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by Rocco :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 5:13pm

If Seattle wins, then the NFC West winner will be 8-8. I'd think they would play hard to avoid the ignominy of winning the division at 7-9.

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by Agamemnon :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 6:49pm

Never fear the 7-8-1 record!

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by SFC B (not verified) :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 5:13pm

Ted Ginn Jr. keeps the 49er's from getting one last shot at the end zone by dancing around for three seconds instead of going out of bounds.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by Rocco :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 5:22pm

Isn't this the third year in a row the Jags have had a playoff spot in reach in December and promptly crapped out?

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by SFC B (not verified) :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 5:23pm

Texans intercept a pass in the end zone, and making nothing of the ensuing possession. The Tebows are getting good yardage on passes to the RBs.

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by Dave :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 5:36pm

Dierdorf: "he probably had the most least productive season"

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by SFC B (not verified) :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 6:11pm

Texans are able to move the ball well today. Tebow has been dealing with defenders in the backfield almost all game. He's only avoided sacks by his Roethlisberger-like ability to stay upright until he gets a yard or two.

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by Dave :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 6:49pm

Peyton Manning overthrows Tamme and is picked. Looked like he momentarily forgot it wasn't Clark.

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by BJR :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 7:20pm

Sorry to harp on, but it really makes no sense for Seattle to have their starters out there. It's a dead game for them.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 7:38pm

The Giants sure do have a special way of self-destructing.

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by Mike Y :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 7:46pm

Aaaand the 2010 AFC West Champs are: The Kansas City Chiefs.

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by SFC B (not verified) :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 7:56pm

Well, this is a new way for the Texans to lose this year. They build up a three score lead early in the game, and then cough it up late in the 4th quarter. I'm used to them falling behind, making a come back, and then making a stupid mistake to lose it.

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by SFC B (not verified) :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 7:57pm

And Schaub bounces a pass off a defender's helmet which is then intercepted to end the game.

You've GOT to be kidding me.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by Ben :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 8:15pm

Man, Peyton Manning looks so awkward running. You could tell he wanted to score that TD instead of sliding, even though sliding was the right play.

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by tunesmith :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 11:18pm

That was really fun in the sports bar. "RUN PEYTON, RUN!!!!" A regular Forrest Gump.

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Go Pack Go!
by Packer Pete (not verified) :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 10:02pm

John Kuhn - all he does is score touchdowns!

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by GO PATS (not verified) :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 12:44am

-well good work Chargers, 2 losses to the Raiders and then laying an egg against the bungles playing without Ocho or TO. Way to go Norv. Yes firing Marty really got them over the hump.

- Hey that Matt Cassell is not so bad, only 5 ints all season, having a great year. Where are all those people who laughed when KC traded for him and said it was a joke of a trade.

- The niners are such a joke. Ever since the Yorks took over the franchise has been a joke. 2 decades of being the best franchise in the NFL and now a decade of misery for us niner fans. What will they do at QB for next year? Take a chance on the draft again or trade for someone like Klob? I guess it depends on who they decide to hire as GM. Please hire someone competent Dorks. Better yet, please sell the team to someone who cares.

-Boy the Giants know how to implode.

-Really, there is still debate as to who the MVP is?? Please, unless Brady throws 10 pick sixes against the fins, its not even close.

- Will Mathew Stafford ever manage to stay healthy? Lions will be a tough match against all their opponests next year, should reach at least .500.

- I for one am glad there will be football on Tuesday. At this late stage in the season one can never have enough football to watch.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by MJK :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 2:16am

Agree on Brady. He has simply NOT thrown interceptions this year. Yes, he's had some luck (especially versus the Packers and the Bears), but every QB has DB's drop badly thrown balls.

I went back and looked at Brady's four interceptions, because I was curious.

* One was a legitimate INT intended for Welker (versus the Ravens). Brady got flustered by a blitzer, was hit as he threw, and lofted a horrible ball into a triple-covered Welker.

* One was a DEEP ball thrown to Moss (versus the Jets), who gave up on the play (Welker had been the primary read, and when Welker was covered, Brady chucked it up for grabs about 50 yards down the field). Moss had already given up on the play and was dogging it, so the Jet CB got the INT.

* One was a tipped ball (Moss's fault again, also against the Jets). Moss tipped it up into the air, juggled it, knocked it away from himself, and it happened to bounce into the hands of a Jet safety coming across (who made an amazingly acrobatic catch on the sidelines, originally ruled incomplete, but overturned to an INT on replay).

* The last was a Hail Mary thrown on the final play of regulation in a tied game against Baltimore.

Discounting the Hail Mary, and the Moss bobble, Brady has only thrown and had intercepted TWO bad balls all season. That's crazy. All while leading the league in TD's, playing against a pretty tough slate of pass defenses, and doing it in horrible weather conditions, while his team fielded one of the worst defenses in the league for much of the season.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 1:24am

HAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA
@ the Chargers.

good riddance.

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by Alaska Jack :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 4:45am

Jason Campbell is the king of the six-yard completion on third and eight. I've never seen anything like it.

Somewhat ironic, because the Raiders' last good QB, Gannon, was the king of the eight-yard pass (or scramble) on third and six -- always just enough to keep the chains moving.

- AJ

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by Anonymouscake (not verified) :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 10:08pm

They just called OPI and DPI on Roddy White and the guy who was covering him. Epic stuff. Especially considering contact was marginal at best in either direction.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by Rocco :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 10:38pm

Matt Ryan has reached elite QB status- he's now getting personal foul calls for marginal contact to the head.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 12:02am

Why does Brees throw the most idiotic interceptions against the Falcons???

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by RickD :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 12:08am

Another one, though less idiotic. Part of the disadvantage of having a relatively short QB like Brees.

So...who had "2 or more picks by the Atlanta defensive line"? I wonder what odds Vegas would have given for that.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 12:38am

Why did the officials change their mind on that (not)-fumble? Were they thinking "if it's not a fumble, that can be fixed by a challenge"??

Really an atrocious call. The official had a clear view, made the correct call initially and then bizarrely changed his mind.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by morganja :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 12:39am

NFL is desperate for Atlanta to get to the Super Bowl. But I guess that ludicrous call was just too much.

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by Eddo :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 10:51am

Yes, the league is pulling strings so Atlanta - that team from a huge market, that feel-good story, that team of overhyped stars - can get to the Super Bowl.

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by tuluse :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 4:02pm

Also, morganja has previous asserted that the NFL is biased against teams from the south.

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by BJR :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 12:46am

Good game of football dat. Hope these two play each other again in two weeks time.

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by MJK :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 1:46am

Did anyone else think the (non) fumble and/or the officials kind of almost screwed the Saints, clockwise?

The incorrect fumble call came with about 2:34 left on the clock. The clock stopped while it was challenged and reviewed, and when the ball was given back to the Saints, the clock started, but the playclock was only set to 0:25. Now, I know the playclock is set to 0:25 and not 0:40 after a penalty, but this wasn't a penalty...it was a wrong call by the officials that got overturned. Had they made the right call in the first place, the Saints could have run the clock down to the 2 minute warning or forced Atlanta to spend one of its two timeouts. Instead, they could only run it down to about 2:09 and had to snap it, so the clock stopped at the 2 minute warning, and the Falcons still had both timeouts. Had the Saints later been stuffed on 3rd and 1, the Falcons would have ended up with about 40 more seconds than they otherwise would have had because of the bad fumble call. When a team is down by 3, there is a HUGE difference between getting the ball back with 1:10 (minus the punt time), versus 0:15 or so.

I'm not sure if the playclock should have been reset to 0:40 after the call reversal...maybe the rule is, after any official action, to give the team the 0:25 playclock and not the 0:40. But if so, that's a stupid rule. And if not, the officials screwed up.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by alexander_inbitchkin :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 2:00pm

I'd be interested in opinions on a choice between Maclin and Peterson in tonight's game. I see a Philly team in the hunt for a bye & firing on all cylinders daring the disinterested Vikes to beat them with Joe Webb, so Maclin looks like the best play to me. I'm up against McCoy with a decent lead so I don't need to hit a home run, just don't want to get skunked.

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by B :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 9:07pm

The announcers always seem surprised when a team wins the toss and elects to defer. I would like to see a study of which teams are more likely to defer, and which teams want the ball first.

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Re: Week 16 Open Discussion Thread
by andrew :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 9:18pm

They just called a 15 yard penalty for "interfering with the opportunity to make a fair catch". That's no longer a 15 yard penalty this year. We went over this a week or two ago. The penalty is Philly ball, but no yardage. How can they miss that?

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by Roy G (not verified) :: Wed, 12/29/2010 - 1:19am

Is this webpage wrong then?

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/penaltysummaries

It lists "Fair catch interference" as a 15 yard penalty.

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by Roy G (not verified) :: Wed, 12/29/2010 - 1:27am

There was a change in one type of interference:

4. If a punt returner signals for fair catch, muffs the punt and the ball is caught by the punting team before it hits the ground, a fair catch is awarded to the receiving team at the spot of the interference (i.e. it’s not a fumble). But the punting team is no longer penalized for attempting to catch a muffed fair catch (current penalty is too severe).

That clearly did not happen in this case, so normal 15 yard penalty.

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by B :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 10:30pm

Wow, that was a phenomenally bad play by Vick. Casually holding the ball ine one hand, and he didn't notice the blitzing corner coming right at him.

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by Athelas :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 10:31pm

Michael Vick is using this national TV opportunity to show how deserving he is of the MVP.

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by Nathan :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 10:41pm

perhaps a screen to winfield's side is in order? jesus

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by DavidL :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 10:50pm

I would be enjoying this game far, far less if I didn't like watching Michael Vick get destroyed.

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by Nathan :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 10:57pm

love chads "OCHO" and "CINCO" pillows in the nyquil commercial

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by WCfan (not verified) :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 11:03pm

I really hope they do something about the reception rules over the off season

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by B :: Wed, 12/29/2010 - 12:13am

4th down, down by 10 with four minutes left. Of course Andy Reid elects to punt. And now he's out of timeouts. Some things never change.

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by Crus :: Wed, 12/29/2010 - 12:26am

Well, I guess the good news is that now the Eagles starters don't have to show up next week, either.

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by tbwhite :: Wed, 12/29/2010 - 12:38am

I think that was the whole point. Given that the Bears probably have at least a 50% chance of beating GB, the Eagles could knock themselves out trying to win 2 games in 5 days and get nothing for it, or they could mail it in. At least this way they are guaranteed a chance to rest key players. There was no guarantee if they tried to get the #2 seed.

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by Arkaein :: Wed, 12/29/2010 - 1:19pm

Why would the Bears have a 50% chance of beating GB?

GB has a Weighted DVOA 11% higher than the Bears as well as home field advantage. The Playoff Odds (which I assume doesn't consider the fact that the Bears may rest starters) gives GB a 75% chance of making the playoffs, which is almost entirely based on the odds of a win over the Bears. I'm inclined to agree, the Bears are not quite as good as their record, and the Packers are better than theirs.

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by B :: Wed, 12/29/2010 - 12:44am

So, if Vick takes next week off and Kolb plays well against the Cowboys, not an unlikely occurrence, do we have a QB controversy in Philly?

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by Spielman :: Wed, 12/29/2010 - 8:13am

No.

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by Roy G (not verified) :: Wed, 12/29/2010 - 1:26am

Anybody figure out the fair catch by the Eagles on the kickoff? This was after the Vikes took a 10-7 lead. Here is the notation in the gamebook:

R.Longwell kicks 50 yards from MIN 30 to PHI 20, fair catch by O.Schmitt.

First, I looked at the play at least 10 times, and Schmitt never put his hand in the air. Second, Schmitt caught the ball at about the 16 yard line, so they missed the spot by a good margin.

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by Semigruntled Eagles fan (not verified) :: Wed, 12/29/2010 - 1:44am

I don't recall who it was, but when I watched the play live, I did see a member of the return team (other than Schmitt, I believe) wave for a fair catch. I believe that the return team cannot advance the ball after any receiver signals for a fair catch (even if somebody else catches the ball), but I'm not positive.

This game is eerily reminiscent of the Eagles' late-December performance from last season. I now have considerably more anxiety regarding their chances in the post-season than I did a few hours ago... hopefully this game is merely an aberration, and not a clear signal of an intractable weakness in the Eagles offense.

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by loneweasel (not verified) :: Wed, 12/29/2010 - 1:26am

So Obama finished the year by endorsing another loser. figures.

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by Bill Barnwell :: Wed, 12/29/2010 - 3:30am

Rule #1. No politics. This is your warning.

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by andrew :: Wed, 12/29/2010 - 8:11am

Do we give Childress credit for "discovering" webb? Then again he was the one who kept trying to bring Favre back, and apparently was also the biggest believer in Tarvaris Jackson.

It should be obvious already Webb is much better than Tarvaris.

Although I'm not a fan of theirs (its hard to be) my hometown college team is FAU, so I got to see them being destroyed by Joe Webb the last few years. He was probably the best player in that conference over his time there.

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