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21 Dec 2013
Discuss your full slate of Sunday games, and, if you can stomach it, the Falcons-49ers game too.
Posted by: Rivers McCown on 21 Dec 2013
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People in the JUNGLE will get to know our Vikings team real well if ya know what I mean. Nothing to play for except PURPLE PRIDE OH YEA!
Only three games televised today, with the Saints/Panthers game not being one of them. Pity.
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Vaccaro tackles Williams by grabbing the shoulderpads (on the back) and swings himself behind Williams.
This happened just outside the tackle box.
So is that a horse collar??
I thought it was a guy in the open field, grabbing the shoulderpads and pulling him down right away.
Not what happened there.
I'm not sure, but the taunting penalty renders it moot.
Later, Steve Smith goes down untouched and grabs his knee immediately. This is very bad.
He's back on the field.
...and he's off again.
I hate watching my team play him twice a year, but Sean Payton is wonderful. An onside kick in the first half, and now he lines up the kicking team for a 52 yard FG on 4th and 12, switches formations and passes. Didn't work, but I love it.
If only Dallas had a defense... Romo-to-Bryant is hard to stop.
Romo can stop it.
Yeah. Holy crap. The Eagles may as well book their play-off tickets now.
Dez Bryant smokes deAngelo Hall, Romos throw is way short, so because Bryant has Hall beat by 8 yards Bryant can't get back. Good job there, Hall.
Breesus finds himself in a deluge of biblical proportions. That game may end 10-6.
I'm happy for Greg Gumbels career that he gets a new partner next year. Dan Dierdorf is zapping any potential for advancement he might have.
RUN, Tony, RUN!
Every time RedZone turns to the Panters game, Luke Kuechly is slapping somebody around.
from someone who watched the whole game: he's even better.
That guy is special.
The o/u for the Bengals-Vikings game was 48.5 - Bengals close to going over that on their own.
Prediction: Dallas scores, up by one with just a minute on the clock. Then Washington marches down the field and scores a FG for the win with no time on the clock.
on a 65-yarder...
If Manning doesn't play next week, this record tying TD will have a Michael Strahan like asterisk - I don't think Decker controlled number 50.
Romo to Murray!!
Think they may at least play him long enough to get the record outright next week.
The Raiders at the black hole are not a guaranteed win with Brock Osweiler anyway, when seeding is at stake.
I'm sure the Broncos won't want to risk losing home field advantage over the Pats.
Manning will play.
WAUW. Cam Newtons last three passes on the (presumeably) game winning drive was fantastic. Just huge under pressure on the money throws. Wauw.
Even though this is destined to end in heartbreak next week, you have to be happy for Romo.
Yeah, nice for him to get a game-winning TD on a gimp leg. I personally hope for another victory next week, but I'm with you that heartbreak is much more likely
And theres number 51. MVP clincher probably.
I don't see any other candidates.
With 10 seconds to go and the Saints down by four, Aikman speculates whether the kicker's leg is strong enough for a long FG. Priceless.
Troy's confused by fantasy football. Justin Tucker scored 18 points for the Ravens last week, but 27 for my fantasy team!
Refs 1, Ravens 0. Way to go Tom Brady!!! Only the true genius of New England could have made that happen.
You know, Jimmy Smith did actually push Edelman on that play.
It seemed tick-tack and I couldn't have imagined that if the WR were alone that he'd have been able to turn and catch that pass if he were completely on his own. It seemed like he and Brady weren't on the same page exactly. But I could be wrong. And obviously, New England is always right.
Usually if a receiver is pushed and falls down and the ball is within five feet of where he falls down, that's called DPI.
Don't see how it's tick-tack. It was a push, not just incidental contact. And it threw off Edelman's balance.
I'd much rather see the Dolphins or Chargers in the playoffs than the Ravens, but, on the other hand, I'd rather the Bengals had a bye over the Patriots. In short I can't figure out who to cheer for in this Ravens-Pats game.
Cheer for the minor deity and his coach. Sure as hell the refs-- after "much complaining" says Phil Simms-- are aiding with that and it's hard to root against divinity.
The referees during that game, were, just like every other NFL game, much on the side of the home team.
You want the Ravens to win, lose next week, and the Dolphins to beat the Jets.
That would still require the Chargers to win their last two, to create a three-way tie at 9-7 which the Dolphins would win. Otherwise it's still the Ravens in as the last wild card.
It might be more realistic to hope the Bills win in New England next week then.
Lawrence Timmons almost dropped a nuke on a Matt Flynn run.
Flynn is a few yards upfield and starts to slide; Timmons starts his dive forward. He flew right over his head.
I keep wanting to say something pithy about Delmas's forearm to Bentley's head there on that Giants touchdown, like commenting about how the Lions are getting frustrated with penalties for illegal hits on the other team, so they're taking cheap shots at each other to work it out of their system. Hit to the head of a defenseless cornerback, maybe?
I think I've worked out the situation we have for the last AFC spot.
A Ravens win today would come close to clinching them a playoff spot, but not quite. In the event the Ravens lost in week 17, a three-way tie at 9-7 with both the Chargers and Dolphins would give the spot to the Dolphins. In other words a Ravens win today would eliminate the Chargers, meaning the Chargers would be playing today not for their own hopes but for Miami's. Basically the Ravens need only to win one of their last two and they'll be in, unless the Chargers go 2-0 these last couple weeks and the Dolphins defeat the Jets, which would result in the Dolphins going to the playoffs. I think.
The Chargers can only get in if they win out and the Ravens and Dolphins both lose their last three combined games.
The Dolphins must win their last game and hope that the Ravens lose out, or, if the Ravens win one of two, the Chargers win out. Note that only a three-way tie at 9-7 results in the Dolphins winning the tiebreaker. At 8-8 the Ravens would be the wild card.
… NVM, the Steelers are still barely in it and would win a tie for 8-8 if they should get there. That's not very likely, though.
For maximum AFC drama next week one should hope for the Ravens to lose and the Chargers and Steelers to win. That way four teams will still be alive for the sixth seed.
Now that KC is locked into the 5th slot, do they sit their starters and allow the Chargers to sweep them and thus eliminate the Steelers, or play for something?
OK, even I think the refs are throwing a lot of flags to help the Patriots today.
edit: and just like that, the last flag is picked up. :)
Illegal sacking of Tom Brady. Automatic First Down!
Oh, OK. Someone said "even YOU can't be THAT obvious"
To be fair, the Ravens commit stupid penalties on almost every play. They're one of the most undisciplined teams in the NFL.
The Seahawks have three first half interceptions, and are only up 3 at home. Cards D ain't messing around.
DOINK. Hauschka misses a, like, 24 yarder. So tie game at the half.
It is *sad* trying to listen to Terry Bradshaw doing the halftime highlights. He screws up someone's name every other sentence--literally (Hixon, the Matterhorn), and when he's not doing that he's getting lost halfway in a sentence and someone else has to finish it for him. It's bad enough that I genuinely worry about dementia.
Seattle has two interceptions off of tipped passes. Arizona has two dropped interceptions on one play. How does Seattle do this seemingly every week?
Third holding call against the Pats' O-line in five snaps.
Looks like the FOMBC hit the Seattle special teams HARD this week. A doinked 24-yard field goal and an unforced fumble on a kick return. Yikes!
Plus it may well have been the most comically inept fumble I have ever seen.
I get what you're saying, but I think Mark Sanchez has that title sown up.
It's not even the most comically inept kick return fumble this season. For that, see Tampa Bay against San Francisco.
Ah yes my bad.
But (hur hur) thinking about it, at least Sanchez ran into someone. He didn't just cut and throw the ball to the other team.
the 4th Palmer INT today. 2nd in redzone. Still Cards up 3 IN SEATTLE. What a strange game.
That call in the packers game is simply mindblowing
I would be shocked if that call doesn't prompt a change in rule this offseason.
4th down, Packers FG is blocked.
As there was never someone with possession (unchallengable), the illegal forward batting by the Steelers results in a first down, half the distance to the goal, for the Packers.
Next play; touchdown.
In reality, Clark had possession but this was never seen by the refs and is not challengable.
Another example of why the very concept of "unchallengable" plays is absurd. The whole idea began as a sop to the "human error is part of the game" and "having replay review will just slow things down too much" crowd in the first place; it's time to get rid of it. Every week, we see call after call where the striped clowns make fools of themselves and determine the outcome of games, and that is not what football is supposed to be about. What was acceptable as the best possible solution in the 1930s before they invented television is not acceptable for a multi-billion dollar cultural phenomenon.
Not only is Bell talented and all, but he runs unafraid and with balls of steel.
How many times do you see a defender being hurdled in the second level on an inside run?
Flynn ridiculous pick-6. Must see.
Rough day for Todd Bowles.
Bizarre call for lining up over the center on an otherwise missed XP. #weirdgame
Down by 20, facing fourth and five at the 19, the Ravens opt to kick. Tucker misses, presumably to teach Harbaugh a lesson about game management, since there's no way he could actually miss such a short kick, right?
Holy crap. Palmer to Floyd.
(Just think what the Cardinals could be if someone could somehow cure Bruce Arians of his delusion that Rashard Mendenhall is the best running back on his team.)
If the Cards and 49ers end up tied at 11-5, do the 49ers win the tiebreaker?
Yes, on divisonal record.
So they need to win next week AND have either the Saints lose next week to Tampa, or the 49ers lose tomorrow to Atlanta.
Yes. 49ers would be 4-2 in the division, Cardinals would be 3-3.
Cardinals up by seven late. Sadly, even a win today will leave Arizona as a longshot to make the playoffs.
How do the officials in Baltimore confuse "false start" and "offsides"?
It's Ron Winter, right?
I keep seeing "M. McBriar passes" in the ESPN game feed for Pittsburgh. Did Ben get hurt?
Steelers converted a really nice fake punt.
EDIT: So I assume there's a bug that causes him to be listed as the primary QB now.
He's in the game at the moment; probably just an error in the feed.
CBS Sports is doing the same thing. It's amusing.
I'm guessing both ESPN and CBS (and Yahoo and NFL.com and whoever else does live scoring) uses the same play-by-play. So that makes sense.
that's the punter who threw for a pass on a fake, for the rest, Ben is in.
I thought the Lions got lucky that Jerome Boger didn't have the balls to overturn his own crew's call. The guy was down with the ball.
Packers should let the Steelers score here.
That also means that the Steelers should NOT score here.
Lions go in a few weeks from looking to be a near-playoff lock to being eliminated before week 17.
Really doesn't bode well for Jim Schwartz. I have to think that the difference in Detroit is coaching. Too many silly mistakes all season long.
It is very nice to root for a team whose coach rarely makes mental mistakes. Even that one play that ended up making no difference in the Pats-Ravens game--the Ravens did not get a play off before the 2 minute warning--I think it likely the Patriots would have gotten it off because they are constantly schooled in situational football.
In other words, I agree about Schwartz.
Pittsburgh scores the touchdown instead of taking two knees and trying the FG with no time left. Not sure what prompted that decision.
Was that second down?
Tomlin doesn't understand football.
That was second down. And...yeah, I'm going with your theory there.
Yup, pretty inexcusable, and..............BOOM!
Tomlin just got lucky.
How annoying is it that one of Arizona, San Francisco, and New Orleans will have to stay home while the NFC Central and NFC East both get to send a team to the playoffs? (At least Arizona can't whine about Philly, since if they'd won that game they wouldn't have this problem...)
Less annoying than the fact that one of Baltimore, Miami, San Diego, or Pittsburgh will get into the playoffs.
Yes, all four are still eligible. The scenarios are (ignoring the dreaded tie):
Miami gets if if they win and either Baltimore loses or San Diego wins
Baltimore gets in if they win and one of Miami or San Diego loses, or if all four teams lose.
San Diego gets in if they win and Miami and Baltimore lose.
Pittsburgh gets in if they win and all of Miami/San Diego/Baltimore lose.
Yeah, but it doesn't bug me so much that the second wild-card in a conference is a little shaky. That's the threshold where things are supposed to get iffy, and the AFC is just generally kind of weak (which is a different issue, of course). You can't look at the AFC, though, and say "Here's a playoff-quality team that isn't going to get in." I'm a Dolphins fan, and I'll be happy if they can beat the Jets and get in with some help from the other teams, but if they don't make it I won't be claiming we got screwed over by the divisional system. The NFC doesn't just have one but two divisions full of mediocre teams and poor play, which is going to leave somebody's fans cursing.
The Cardinals would probably be contending for a bye if they were in the AFC, maybe even if they were an another NFC division with an easier schedule.
2:05 to go, New England scores to make it 26-7. Baltimore has 2 time outs remaining. The Patriots kick the extra point to make it a 20 point lead. I don't know why they would do that. Is there any scenario, with 2:05 remaining, in which a 20 point lead is better than a 19 point lead? But if, by some miracle, the Ravens scored three touchdowns in that span, that's just a tie with a 21 point lead.
That really seems like a mistake to me. Not a big one - the odds of the Ravens scoring three times are vanishingly small, and I don't expect it to make any difference. But it seems like a mistake anyway.
2 touchdowns with two-point conversions + 1 field goal = 19 points. Kicking there means the Ravens need 3 touchdowns.
Greater chance of injury on 2pt conversion than PAT. So there's something.
I think it would be considered bad sportsmanship to go for 2 there.
I'm sure that was a huge factor in Belichick's decision…
Of the four contenders for the last AFC playoff spot, none actually controls their fate. That seems unusual, or at least I don't recall anything similar happening in previous years.
I'm going to go with Chip Kelly here and notice that nobody "controls their fate".
I've been thinking the same thing. You would think that mathematically that one team out of the 4 would have a "win and they're in scenario, but that's not the case. I guess Baltimore has the best odds, Pitt the worst.
Bears being hoisted with their own petard. And it was looking so good after DET & GB lost.
I can see the write ups coming on the Colts game already -- it's going to be all about how the Cheifs played poorly, or wondering what went wrong with them. Even when the Colts lose it's not about what is wrong with the Colts but what is right about the other team. Please, just once, analyze the Colts and not the opponents, please, FO. I can't figure this team out and I need help. To me, they are not that good, but they do win games. How?
Dude, you just hit the nail on the head. Their high variance and lack of a single superstar who takes over games makes them tough to analyze. Their biggest wins over playoff teams have generally been solid team wins where they were underdogs--everybody played well, plus they maybe got a break or two. Their losses have generally been to teams in the 7-9 to 9-7 record category (I'd say of the "any given Sunday" category, but when a favorite is blown out by 30, it ain't any given Sunday. And then the beat the teams they're supposed to beat (Oakland plus AFCS). You can't figure them, I've given up, and I suspect FO has as well. I figured today's game would be a 3 pt win for either team, but a two-score win by KJC would not have been surprising at all. The actual result... yet another full team win over a playoff opponent. The D backfield was aggressive and timely. Alex Smith, who usually is efficient, looked hopeless. The DL got pressure (a hit or miss affair) and the run game got a 51 yard TD--only their second run over 30 all season, right? You cannot say "if X shows up today, they win" or "If doesn't show up, they lose." I mean Luck has to be at least decent, but that is a given for any QB usually. Even when he's been good, however, they have been able to lose. And they've won when he's played pretty average (tho mistake free). Even Pep's play-calling seems to vary from "I finally realized Luck passing quickly is the way to win" to "1.5 yards and a cloud of plastic, baby!"
It might all come down to the trenches (God, I hope not) and some games a squad that looked hopeless the week before seems to show up. Maybe it's their breakfast regimen?
After saying that nothing would surprise me a few days ago I have to confess this outcome surprised me a bit. So... I dramatically throw my hands in the air and pretend to be completely ignorant about everything relating to NFL football, because week-in and week-out, this Colts team proves that to be true.
Sorry to be of no help whatsoever. I feel like a shrink who says, "Sir, you are crazy. Sorry, can't help you. Oh, and that'll be $200." Diagnosis is correct, but you knew that already and no real help was provided. Oh, and that'll be $200.
We will have to hope someone comes along with a good theory!
And the check's in the mail.
I'm going to preface this by saying I'm a Chiefs fan and they definitely got outplayed yesterday by the Colts. However, there were 2 huge non-calls for PI by the refs, both on Dwayne Bowe which would have made that game a whole lot more interesting.
On one, he was getting his jersey pulled out of his pants by the defender while trying to jump for a pass. No call was made, which is insane - you could see a foot of his jersey being pulled by the defender. The other time was on a pass into the end zone. Bowe was trying to adjust to a pass and defender not only interfered before the ball got there, but he hit Bowe in the face UNDER the facemask. No call again. I'm not sure what D Bowe or the Chiefs did to piss the refs off, but that potentially took at least 7-10 points off the board. WTF?
Thanks, Eagles. Theagles.
Yes, thanks for drawing out the NFC North misery one more week.
CIN TE Gresham is the make up play player of the year. Versus MIN he had 2 third down penalties to make third and short become third and long. But then her also had a TD plus another successful first down catch. So those plays "make up" for three bad ones. Frustrating. Not a pro bowler, imo.
The bad ones, not three.
Hoping the Falcons give us the early Christmas present of three play-in games next week. I'd love to see the underdog Cardinals sneak into the playoffs, especially since that could easily result in a rematch in Seattle a few weeks from now.
So far, so good.
Terrible bail-out DPI.
That's how you do an onside kick!
"That's one of the great plays by a middle linebacker, ever!"
And this is why I find Gruden so hard to tolerate. Cannot be content with simply praising a good play by Bowman. It has to be "one of the greatest plays ever".
And we hear praise like that ever week.
To be fair, simply making the interception was an incredible play, given that Bowman started the play blitzing up the middle and had to move significant amount of the field laterally.
The 89 yard return and the touchdown was just extra gravy.
Edit: Of course Brock deserves a lot of credit for breaking up the pass as well.
It was a great play, no doubt. But by calling it "one of the great plays by any middle linebacker, ever" Gruden killed his credibility. Especially because he over-praises every week.
I get the sentiment, but it's typical announcer hyperbole. If he just calls it a great play, it disappears into all the other great plays during the game which are really just really good plays. I agree Rick. I'm just being a whiny-assed bitch. But I've really gotten over Gruden and Aikman and all the other announcers for whom hyperbole is just par. Save it for when they totally screw something up, which the Theismanns and Dierdorks of the airwaves seem to do way too frequently.
I disagree entirely. It WAS one of the great plays by any middle linebacker, ever. Not because it was some sort of crazy athletic play, or a play no other linebacker could make, but because it was an amazing moment at Candlestick. It was an exciting, awesome play to end decades of legacy in a spectacular fashion. It was one of the "great plays", and its significance was not lost on Gruden nor the fans at the Stick.
Put the play in a highlight reel, and it's a great one. Put the play in perspective, as a signature moment in Niners history, and it is shown on 49er replays for years to come. I understand that it's not as significant to a non-49er fan, but you have to appreciate the meaning of that interception and touchdown to the franchise. He saved a very important game with an incredible play.
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