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18 Sep 2011

Week 2 Game Discussion Thread

Here's the thread for open discussion of all the Week 2 NFL games.

Posted by: Aaron Schatz on 18 Sep 2011

73 replies , Last at 25 Sep 2011, 4:51pm by Jovins

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by justanothersteve :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 12:53pm

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 1:15pm

Cam Newton awfully impressive on first drive. One touchdown wiped out by penalty, another under review...

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by Marko :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 1:16pm

Last week was a huge fiasco with NFL Sunday Ticket To-Go. I still can't get it to work. Are others still having problems?

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by B :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 1:38pm

I had problems logging onto Netflix from my PS3 last night. Turns out Sony changed their terms of service and you have to accept the new terms to log on. Try logging onto the playstation network first.

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by Marko :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 2:03pm

Thanks, but that's not how I access it. I just have it through my PC.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 1:26pm

Looks like bad Rex has made an appearance again...

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 1:30pm

Uh-oh... as if KC's season hadn't gotten off to a bad enough start....

Jamaal Charles is carted off the field...

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by BJR :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 5:53pm

Done for the year they think. Awful.

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by operator0 (not verified) :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 2:40pm

Kenny Britt is gonna be the next superstar receiver. 80 yards in the first halfa fter 132 last week.

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by Boots Day :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 3:41pm

Watching Bears-Saints on Fox, and I'm pretty sure that I haven't seen a single highlight from another game, except during halftime. Does anyone know why that might be?

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by Marko :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 4:14pm

Maybe you stepped out and missed it, but they have shown some highlights (although not a lot). They had a few game breaks to show some highlights from GB-Car and KC-Det.

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by JIPanick :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 3:54pm

So apparently the Chiefs are really bad.

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by Nathan :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 4:08pm

The Red Zone channel is just brutal. Going to the kickoff of the Dallas game and snaps in blowouts when the Bills are driving to try to win the game of the week? Ridiculous.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 6:18pm

Which Red Zone channel? There are two different ones.

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by Nathan :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 4:09pm

WHY ARE WE WATCHING CAM NEWTON IN A BLOWOUT GO BACK TO THE OAKLAND / BUFFALO GAME.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 5:02pm

Next week, the Vikings goal is to get up 21-0 and lose 24-21.

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by Jovins :: Sun, 09/25/2011 - 4:51pm

20-0, but close enough.

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by B :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 5:38pm

Rivers picked off by Wilfork. Wilfork?

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by BJR :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 5:53pm

I can only see box score. Why is Kitna in the game?

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 5:59pm

According to Schefter on Twitter, Romo has a rib injury, but that's as specific as he gets.

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by X (not verified) :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 6:27pm

Supposedly rib fracture, out for the game, but the helmet's back on.

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by RedZone :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 6:28pm

Romo supposedly has a fractured rib, but he just came back in the game.

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by Lance :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 7:29pm

Somehow, he's played them to overtime. I am just following on ESPN's gamecast, so I don't know how much is Romo and how much is everything else, but it could be worse, I have to say. Right now, SF has just punted to Dallas after their first possession stalled out. Cowboys start at their own 22. Let's see if they can do anything.

Oh. Holy Hell. As I was typing this, I see Romo hits J Holley (who?!?) to put it on the SF 1. Perhaps all is not lost...

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by JIPanick :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 7:53pm

Romo played very well after returning. No help from the run game, but the defense did what it needed to.

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by BJR :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 6:01pm

Jeez that was a heart-stopping moment when Brady got hit just there

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by morganja :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 7:22pm

Against my better judgment, turned on the Patriots game in the fourth quarter. In the space of about 4 minutes, three mistakes by the refs in favor of the Patriots.
1) Stop the game to count the players on the point after. Seriously? I have never seen this before in my life. No flag. Just decided to go back and check just in case.
2) Totally bogus holding call on the Welker reception. Not even close.
3) The offsides against the Chargers. If any other quarterback jerks his head while hardcounting to draw the defense offsides, its a penalty against the QB. Thats the rule. Just not for the Patriots.

This is why I despise watching the Patriots.

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by B :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 7:26pm

Psst. All scoring plays are reviewable now. One of the new rules this year.

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by Intropy :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 8:44pm

Quit whining about "rules." B&B transcend mere rules.

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by Karma Coma :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 10:19pm

1) I don't see how a no-call on a non-penalty is "in favor of the patriots."

2) Penalty was declined because the reception was made. Again, no advantage to the Pats.

3)Looking at it on the DVR, i don't see any motion from Brady other than the natural motion your head makes when you yell things.

Walt Anderson's crew calls the 2nd most penalties per game behind only the Ron Winters Inquisition. You have to expect some ticky-tack stuff from that crew, like the 2 def. holding calls on Bodden because he jammed receivers for six yards instead of five. (Oddly enough they didn't call the same thing on Jammer, even though they could have several times.)

If you're looking really hard for calls/non-calls against a particular team, you're going to see at least a dozen every game. In this game, the the Chargers were flagged 6 times for 44 yards, the Patriots 8 times for 80 yards. Where's the bias? If you're unable to watch New England games without giving yourself ulcers over the officiating, maybe it's best you avoid watching New England games.

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by hughesm12 :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 10:31pm

+1
well said

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by RichC (not verified) :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 8:40am

Don't worry about it. Its just morganja. His rage about the patriots transcends reason.

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by morganja :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:56pm

You are missing the point. I know that there are a bunch of front-leading fans who absolutely cream their panties for a team that wins all the time and think that the main function of a league is to artificially create 'super-stars' by applying different rules for them than everyone else. I'm not one of them.
The Patriots get the Kobe treatment.
As I said, I stay away from Patriot games because they aren't really football games. They are performance pieces.
I note that you don't disagree with any of my observations in the five minutes of the game I watched. Rather you argued that they 'didn't matter.' Well, it matters to my argument doesn't it? I'm not arguing that the Patriots shouldn't have won. I'm arguing that the refs apply the rules differently to the Patriots than they do other teams.
Seriously. Five minutes to review an extra point for which no flag was thrown?

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by Karma Coma :: Tue, 09/20/2011 - 4:04am

"I note that you don't disagree with any of my observations in the five minutes of the game I watched."

Actually, i pretty clearly disagreed with all three of them. I even disagreed with them in the exact same order and format that you presented them.

"As I said, I stay away from Patriot games because they aren't really football games. They are performance pieces."

So every week 30 teams prepare for football games while the Pats somehow convince all their opponents to prepare for football game-resembling "performance pieces" that resemble football games so closely only the most highly skilled observers (such as yourself, of course) can see through the guise. At this point i have to assume that, as RichC suggests, your perception is skewed beyond the point of reasonable discussion.

"I'm arguing that the refs apply the rules differently to the Patriots than they do other teams."

You're not arguing that; you're stating it as fact and presenting no evidence to support it. Where does New England rank each year in penalties and penalty yardage? What's the difference between NE and their opponents in penalties per game, penalty yardage per game, and penalties per play? Are the differences consistently and alarmingly in NE's favor? Can the differences be explained by better coaching/preparation? Are there other teams that are statistically more favored year-to-year than the Pats? You have nothing to support your "argument" and i have nothing more to say about it until you do.

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by Nathan :: Tue, 09/20/2011 - 10:23am

my boy's wicked smaht!

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by OmicronPersei8 :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 7:25pm

There was a note on CBS about how Brady had become just the 6th qb to post consecutive 400 yd games; they must've not been updated, hes actually the 7th thanks to Cam Newton earlier in the day

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 8:41pm

Cam is on pace to throw for over 6800 yards!

And Brady for over 7200 yards!

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by Scott P. (not verified) :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 8:44pm

Let the irrational Brady/Newton debate begin!

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by Sifter :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 1:18am

Brady just makes it look so easy. Although sometimes you have to wonder what the D is doing...Chargers giving Branch 2 easy sideline catches with only 10 seconds left in the half and the Pats sitting on ZERO timeouts had me yelling at the TV - and I don't even like the Chargers. It was just ridiculously poor coverage and poor awareness - anything over the middle and it's half time.

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by B :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 9:02pm

Vick loves Arthur Blank unconditionally. He doesn't feel the same about his dogs.
#toosoon?

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by Marko :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 9:47pm

Great play by DeSean Jackson to save a touchdown. Poor effort by Witherspoon on that return. He should have blocked Jackson.

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by bcornell :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 10:49pm

Watched the Raiders game today and am still baffled. They destroyed Buffalo at the line of scrimmage in the first half. Is Chan Gailey such a great coach now that he can make 2nd-half adjustments that turn the game around? Or, perhaps, Oakland doesn't realize that tight ends are eligible receivers, because the Buffalo TE's annihilated the Raiders secondary.

I've lived in the Bay Area for 8 years. This was the first game I saw Oakland lose where they didn't commit 15 or so penalties. This time, they just got horribly exploited when they shouldn't have. This team is going nowhere.

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by Dr. Mooch :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 7:38am

Oh, but they did. The whole story of the 2nd half was Oakland committing lots of penalties and the Bills none. Several times Oakland penalties sustained Buffalo drives that would have been over otherwise.

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by Dice :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 10:50pm

I know they're still just a middling team but the Bills have been fun to watch these first two games. Even if they were losses, they'd have been competitive losses. Was very shocked to see the Bills coming back after the half.

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by CoachDave :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 10:52pm

If Dunta Robinson doesn't get suspended for that hit...after the crap he did last year, then Goodell should be fired.

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by I don't like Goodell either (not verified) :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 11:20pm

SPOILER: he won't, and he won't.

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by Intropy :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 1:01am

I just watched the play to see what happened, and I strongly disagree. He came in with his head lowered but lead with his shoulder. Maclin turned to his right which put their heads on the collision path. If he doesn't do that he gets a shoulder to the chest. There's very little Robinson could do about that. No flag was justified.

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by CoachDave :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 9:57am

"he came in with his head down"

When you lead with your head, your eyes are pointed down to the ground and your arms are at your side at impact...that's spearing.

This isn't debatable...not only is that type of tackle against the rules, the defenseless reciever emphasis makes it "doublely"' against the rules.

Whether the randomness of the tackle means that there was H2H contact or not, shouldn't matter...it was a textbook spear and completely avoidable by the tackler.

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by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:10am

Spearing is that odd rule where its illegality is to protect the deliverer, not the recipient.

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by CoachDave :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:13pm

Doesn't it protect both?

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by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Tue, 09/20/2011 - 12:10pm

It does, but the reason it's illegal is because of the high rate of spinal fractures sustained by the deliverers.

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by bcornell :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 11:01pm

Hard to pick a worse team among Seattle, Indy and KC. They were all awful last week, but surpassed (underpassed?) those efforts this week. On the plus side, the Patriots get 2 of them this year...

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by Mr Shush :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 4:43am

Chiefs@Colts in Week 5 looks set to be the mother of all crap-fests. The loser of that game might have a shot at 0-16. Seattle are possibly worse than either, but with games to come against the Browns and Bengals as well as the rest of the NFC West they'll have the best record of the three.

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by Drew (not verified) :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 11:06pm

Vick is concussed. Can't say I'm sorry about that. But Robinson should probably get his face beat in.

Refs missed an illegal tackle of the QB there (grabbing Ryan by the neck)...but penalized a textbook tackle of the QB in the Pats game.

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by Stabs :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 11:13pm

Gonzalez is a beast

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by Nathan :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:00am

Until further notice the way to beat the Eagles is to attack the LBs. Can you imagine what's going to happen when New England and their two TEs roll into town?

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by Sifter :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 1:13am

Indeed - any Eagles opponents are going to get good performances from either the RB or the TE. RB if you can get ahead and just ram it down their throats. TE if you are behind and need to pass. Edge of the field is fine, but anything over the middle is money.

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by Marko :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 11:42pm

Not a dream ending for the Eagles.

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by The Powers That Be :: Sun, 09/18/2011 - 11:47pm

Something about that Kafka guy bugs me.

...and it's over. Good job, Falcons.

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by Alexander :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:22am

Probably because his first name is not "Franz"

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by jw124164 :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:05am

Falcons fan here. Wow - why does this feel like a loss? Our back 7 on D looked just horrible for 90% of the game, and Sam Baker was a turnstile. Ryan was looking decidely un-Icy. Then Vick gets hurt and we bust out a couple of good plays. Glad to see them fight back, but if our LB's and DB's don't start making plays, we're in for a long season ....Tony Gonzalez is awesome.

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by Nathan :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:08am

I agree that Ryan looked panicky for a good stretch of the game. But he settled down on those last two drives. Granted, that was after Vick got knocked out. At the end of the day I'm still not quite sure how Atlanta pulled out the W though, they seemed to be outplayed for the majority of the game. Also, did Maclin really have 171 yards? How did I miss that?

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by Sifter :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 1:15am

5 Red Zone trips and 5 TDs for Atlanta - including some nifty catches from White and Gonzalez on the first 2 that may not happen every week. Plus knocking Vick out of the game and Maclin dropping that pretty regulation ball at the end. Pretty frustrating for this Eagles fan. Atlanta didn't really feel that impressive - apart from Turner's occasional rumbles...

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by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 8:57am

This game reminded me a lot of last year's Atlanta-Green Bay game, where Atlanta scratch out a win despite being largely outplayed.

We saw how the rematch went.

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by Intropy :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 1:13am

Anyone else, perhaps someone with the ability to freeze frame, notice whether Colt McCoy's first TD pass came from just on the wrong side of the line of scrimmage? It appeared to me to be the case at least if the magic blue line is to be believed. Was there a review delay?

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by Keith(1) (not verified) :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:15am

His motion began and ended before he crossed the blue line. Favre used to do it a lot. It is relatively routine to see rollouts and scrambling quarterbacks move up to the line "just in case" when there is space.

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by RichC (not verified) :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 8:45am

I'm wondering when the NFL is going to start calling helmet-to-helmet contact on runningbacks. There were 3 or 4 plays this weekend, where a player went to go low on a RB, and the running back just lowered his helmet into the oncoming tackler. A couple of them ended up with guys carted off the field.

If they're serious about head injuries, this is a lot bigger deal than QBs getting their heads grazed by pass rushers.

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by Led :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 9:39am

You're right that it is a bigger injury risk than the stray open hand on a QB helmet. But I don't think you can call that a penalty. Guys are going full speed, neither is in a defenseless position and you can't easily predict where the other guys head is going to be. That's football, for good or ill.

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by Nathan :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 3:03pm

The thing that annoys me is that RBs are allowed to "stiff arm" defenders (which at this point in time has been expanded to include "outright punch in the face") and yet the Deacon Jones headslap is illegal and if you so much as breathe on the QBs helmet you get flagged (I think they tweaked the rule this offseason but last year was just ridiculous).

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by Nathan :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 11:45pm

Does punting on 4th and 23 down 12 with 1:30 left and no timeouts seem completely spineless to anyone else? I mean, that's just giving up. I get not throwing a hail mary and getting a receiver hurt but... still... that just seems weird to me.

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by asdfasdfasdf (not verified) :: Mon, 09/19/2011 - 11:58pm

Eh. That's a serious long-shot, and I wouldn't get very exercised about it I were a Rams fan. I don't understand not going for a more manageable fourth down with about six minutes to go.

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by Rhys :: Tue, 09/20/2011 - 2:35am

It isn't like losing by 7 more points is going to keep them out of the playoffs because of the Coaches' poll. No reason not to go for it.

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by Intropy :: Tue, 09/20/2011 - 3:49am

You punt if you think a muffed punt is more likely than making the first. Considering the receiving team can kneel out the game, I'd think nobody would be allowed anywhere near the punt, making that very unlikely indeed.

Maybe they're planning on getting into a fourth and long situation while behind at the end of another game and want to sell the fake.

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