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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 12:15am

Hope the Texans are okay, guess the schedule gets shuffled around but that's probably the least of concerns right now.

Anyway hope FO readers in the area are okay.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 11:17am

Go BIG BLUE!

That is all.

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by johnnyxel :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 12:19pm

So, am I stupid, or is it impossible that the Giants have won "ten games in a row" if they lost in week 17 (and 15) last season? Not a hater, but that's just an idiotic statement.

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by Rory (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 12:33pm

I think they've won ten consecutive road games?

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by Rory (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 12:37pm

Also, how does everyone think Cassel will do today? I'll say something like 14-21, 150 yards 1 TD 0 INT and a win.

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by johnnyxel :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 12:55pm

I hesitate to guess on numbers, because the Pats game plan seems to be so variable to begin with, and he could get anywhere from 20 to 40 pass attempts based on the scoreboard.
If they stop the Jets well on defense, I think you're right on the money: 65% completion, 7-7.5 yards per attempt, and a couple TDs. On the other hand if Favre and Thomas Jones are gashing the Pats, expect less, like 22/40 for 200-220 yards.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 12:49pm

Turned of TV to find my superfan package was somehow not working, despite the fact I talked to someone who said they signed me up for it, and my bill certainly seemed to reflect it.

After calling DirecTV, I didn't get them to admit the error, but they said they were going to give it to me for free anyway. Well, the end effect is the same, which works for me.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 12:55pm

Free is good.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:05pm

wow... I had told my new directv dvr to record the colts-vikings on one of the 700 channels... not knowing it would be the local telecast game and thus blacked out. It knew enough to switch it to the other channel.

"I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random

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by Athelas :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:23pm

If you get a game on local TV, it blacks it out on the 700 channels (but you still get it).

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by masocc (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:05pm

What the hell? When did the NFL start blacking out SOLD OUT home games!?!?! Grrrrrr......!

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:07pm

Eli with his patented throw it high for Plax routine. 1st down G-men.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:08pm

Peterson broke a long one... brought down by last man (Sanders) at the colts 28...

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:11pm

What is up with the Bears this year... is it just that they're all healthy?

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:13pm

Bills look awesome, great TD run by Lynch. Jags defense looks lost. and I have them on my fantasy team...

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:16pm

Good job by E.J. Henderson. Cut right through the line.

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by black (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:18pm

Jags look bad on defense, add that with no O-Line. = long season

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:18pm

Does FO 3.0 include some kind of gameday chatroom?

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by jebmak :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:29pm

channel FO on IRC

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by Xian :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:56pm

To be clear, that's

#FO on catch22.org

(edited because originally I asked which network it was on.)

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:21pm

Touchdown Giants, with Burress about as open as a wide receiver can be right over the middle.

ETA-- I didn't see who the safety was, but it was an incredibly weak effort at coverage.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:23pm

Brandon Lloyd got a touchdown? Figures that it wouldn't come on an offensive play.

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by Yaguar :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:23pm

Put any QB other than Tarvaris Jackson in for the Vikings right now and they'd be up 14-0 on the Colts.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:27pm

Colt offense doesn't look the unstoppable machine of previous years.
Yet.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:26pm

Man the vikings run defense is obliterating every colts attempt to run. Lost 9 yards back to the 1

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by Lance :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:28pm

So you're saying my starting Addai was a bad move?

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by NRG (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:26pm

Reality is starting to set in here. I just moved to SF. This means 49'ers AND Raiders on TV every week. That's not football you can believe in. . .

Anyone know a good sports bar near the Tendernob district?

NRG

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by Lance :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:27pm

Upstate NY has the Buffalo game on. The Bills look good against Jax so far...

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by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:28pm

The Colts OLine looks AWFUL so far. And it's not just the interior guys.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:28pm

Stephen Jackson would have had a TD there, except he fell down without being touched. It would have come back on a penalty, though, so they have that anyway.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:31pm

Peterson just keeps gashing the Colts.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:34pm

Imagine that guy with an NFL quarterback distracting the defense.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:32pm

Even when he's caught in the backfield, Peterson is making the Colts look stupid.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:34pm

dammit Shiancoe dropped what should have been a sure TD.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:36pm

Yeah. Jackson is bad but you can't blame him for that one. Decent throw.

Anyone else think that while this comment format works well for articles it's really tough to follow during games?

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:35pm

The Redskins have burned through all three timeouts in the first quarter.

Indy's run defense is back to their abysmal ways.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:35pm

Grrr. Tuck gets held, breaks through the hold but his arm whips right to Bulger's face mask. First down Rams.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:36pm

here was that last vikings drive:

Run for 9, 13, 6, 7, 4, 4. Then on 3rd and 2, they decide to pass. Yes, it was open and yes it should have been caught. But why not run when they haven't shown they can stop it.

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by masocc (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:37pm

Seriously? Can someone *please* explain to me why the long SOLD OUT local home game (Seahawks) is blacked out locally? This makes no sense...

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:39pm

When did they sell out? It has to be by a certain time or it doesn't matter.

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by masocc (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:45pm

Well, let's put it this way:
Seahawks.com has said for SEVERAL MONTHS that there are NO tickets to home games available for purchase, unless you go to the "ticket exchange" (i.e. buy from a fan/scalper).

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:50pm

Then I have no answer. Sounds odd.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:38pm

Every so often out of the corner of my eye I catch plays in the Bengals-Titans game. I saw Collins badly overthrowing a WR who was wide open on the right sideline deep, and a whole lot of ugly from the Bengals, who seem to have forgotten how to play offense.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:41pm

Despite dominatoring first quarter, Vikings only up 6-0. Peyton starting to move the ball through the air now.

Jared Allen has yet to pressure a QB this season.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:42pm

Indy is trying to use pitches instead of the stretch play and they are failing miserably.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:44pm

Okay Allen finally came up with a sack.

"I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:46pm

Peyton Manning, sacked. This Colts team looks nothing like Colts teams of the past few years.

Meanwhile, Brandon Jacobs runs really, really violently. Which is fun to watch.

ETA: Toomer running completely free beyond the awful Rams safeties, but Eli misses him badly.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:49pm

...why a reverse if you are the Vikings? Use your backs. No need to get fancy.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:53pm

The Giants just did the 3rd and long draw perfected by the Seahawks. It gained 8 but we will have to settle for the Figgie, which is.... good!

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:53pm

Dammit. Vikings rushing well with Peterson, then two consecutive plays they call designed runs for Jackson which get nothing.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:55pm

The Colts are in control by being down only 6 at this point.
Tavaris Jackson is wasting a pretty good half from his teammates.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:56pm

Vikings have dominated completely and are still only up by 6 .

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by tuluse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:56pm

Kyle Orton is kicking ass this game, Brandon Lloyd has looked good too.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:58pm

Wayne doesn't drop many and that should have been the lead right there.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:58pm

The Detroit Lions are looking even worse than the Rams looked last week.

For the life of me, I cannot understand how Millen has a job still. I am certain, 100% certain, that even an average Joe fan like me could have them significantly more competitive than they currently are within 2 years.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:00pm

I couldn't do Millens job better them him but I could improve on Ford by hiring a plausible candidate to develop the program instead of a TV analyst.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:01pm

It's like the Lions don't even have scouts and just go by hype/dart board for drafting, and whoever Marinelli has coached before at any time for free agents.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:06pm

But this would be my strategy-- go by the consensus 'best available' off of the TV shows. It would do better than Millen has done. I could hire a former agent to negotiate the contracts. Then I could sit in the luxury box and know that I have done better than my predecessor.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:58pm

Peyton lays up a perfect pass for Reggie Wayne...that goes right through Wayne's hands. Would have been a TD.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:58pm

No way was that a first down...

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:02pm

Looked a good yard short to me.
I guess this is why guys stretch out even when they are obviously down.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 1:59pm

That looked like a really bad spot. Looks like they gave the Colts an extra half yard for the first.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:00pm

Tony Ugoh apparently out... Colts offensive line has had enough trouble as it is...

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by Yaguar :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:04pm

There was a play on that last drive where the defensive tackle literally ran past the center so quickly that he got to Manning at the same time the ball did. Unbelievably, Manning got the ball away for a completion.

This is the worst offensive line performance I've seen since some of Oakland's absurdities last year.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:07pm

What's annoying is that even the guys who have been there before (the tackles) are playing terribly too. You expect it of the interior, but not those guys. Ugoh had at least one play where he stood there without touching anyone, and since he left, Johnson managed to give up on a play (after Peyton got rid of the ball) and get Manning hit unnecessarily.

With Ugoh out that makes 4 new guys on the O Line, a penalty prone right tackle, and their OLine Coach is out with injury too! That is not a recipe for success. They could easily get shut out.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:04pm

Whew, that was close, first bad decision by Orton.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:05pm

Orton just tried to hit Brandon Lloyd with 4 defenders looming. He was lucky to not get picked off.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:05pm

Looks like I should have taken that prop bet on the Vikings score more points than they get passing yards.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:07pm

I really, really, really hate how it goes back to page one of the comments every time you make one.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:12pm

I'll do all the clicking needed to get back here just to say Amen!

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:08pm

sigh, in hurry-up offense inside two minutes, after a peterson run setting up 3rd and four, vikings take about 20 seconds to set up followed by an argument between 7-T.Jackson and 18-S.Rice on where Rice was supposed to be, finally ending with a timeout.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:09pm

Bulger-- 10 dropbacks. 4 sacks. 4 knockdowns.

Ouch.

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by jebmak :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:10pm

Millen keeps his job because the Fords are idiots. Blame them, not Millen. Ford is the only constant over the past 40 years.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:12pm

At least the Vikings punt unit is doing some good things to make up for the QB sputtering. Although that time I guess he was out of bounds so it comes out to the 20.

It looked to me like the first one inside the 5 actually touched the goal line and was there when the one guy knocked it back. Thankfully the Colts managed to run a positive play and get a first down after that start.

Gonzalez is going to have a great year. He's getting open a lot and seems to have good hands, that one play last week excepted.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:13pm

Sigh. Vikes again can't complete a pass. Volts have ball and a minute, and after a half of being dominated they'll probably be leading at halftime.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:15pm

well maybe not. Peyton is hitting the turf on every play.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:18pm

Peyton grabbed his knee after that last hit. He's taking an unholy beating so far.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:13pm

The Rams have now hit two 54 yarders (Brown, I think) to keep hanging around.

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by NRG :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:28pm

The Rams made a good call acquiring Brown. He seems to have had the range dialed in at the Edwards Jones dome for several years, until recently to the Rams' detriment.

NRG

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by Athelas :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:14pm

Is Damon Huard hurt or removed for performance reasons?

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:20pm

According to CBS, they are rotating QBs by series.

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by Athelas :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:26pm

Well, Huard was in for the first 2 series and Thigpen jas been in since--doesn't sound like a rotation to me!

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:17pm

The Colts just look weird when they try to run. It's not all O-line issues. They kept running pitches for Addai but, rather than stretching it out at all, Manning would just toss it pretty much straight backwards and Addai wouldn't have any time.

And yeah, the Vikings should be absolutely killing the Colts today. The only real bright spot is Gonzalez is looking great. There's been a few passes towards Harrison where Marvin's looked completely lost.

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by cd6 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:19pm

Considering:

The vikings are awesome up until they get to the Indy 30 AND the vikings punt game has been spectacular in pinning the Colts deep AND the colts can't get anything going on offense.... the fact that I have Ryan Longwell on my fantasy team is working out very very nicely.

Annnnnd he hit's his third one, this one from 53.
And the vikings are up 2 scores. The fact that the Colts should have been the biggest roadblock to a Steelers AFC championship and might fall to 0-2 is icing on the cake at this point.

Andrew you got one more guy on the Minnesota bandwagon this week haha.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:19pm

And somehow with 20 seconds after a Colts punt, Jackson hits two passes of 20+ yards to set up a 53 yd FG just before the halftime gun.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:22pm

Eli completes a pass left handed, and then the G-men kick the figgie for a 7 point halftime lead in a game that hasn't been as close as the score.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:26pm

Fox just did a good job breaking down the Bears defensive alignment where the linebackers crowd the line, I was impressed. Also, it's called the "mug" alignment.

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by DivisionNick (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:33pm

Garbage yards for Brees before the half turn into Saints lead. Good for FF and their real team.

The NHL has been known to black out away games. Don't feel too bad.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:34pm

That Viking fake to AP and the roll out was a nice looking play design

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:36pm

It seems every time the announcer says "Peterson", it is followed by "still on his feet"....

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by NRG :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:37pm

Admittedly, this is a tangent, but rodeo bull riders now wear bicycle helmets? What's next, hockey goalie pads?

NRG

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by Steely Den :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:40pm

Is Aaron Rodgers for real? Two weeks, pushing 80% completions, and one game against an authentic professional defense (Vikings).

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by Yaguar :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:47pm

Obviously, those numbers can't hold, but I think it's more likely than not that he makes the Pro Bowl, and he may even start in it.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:55pm

I don't know, I still remember the first 5 Bears games of 2006.

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by CoachDave :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:42pm

Honestly at this point, the Colts offensive and defensive lines are just North of worthless.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:43pm

Colts finally get a screen to work. They need something to slow up the rush.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:44pm

Saints punter Brown-- 3 punts, 58.3 avg, 1 downed on the 3 yard line, total 12 return yards. Their kicking game is what has kept this one close.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:45pm

E.J. Henderson right through the line again.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:49pm

The Colt special teams are being outplayed badly.
This game shouldn't be as close as it is.

I still expect two flicks of Peytons wrist to soon erase all the Vikings have done.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:51pm

Sure, if the line holds up long enough to let it happen.

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by CoachDave :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:51pm

The Colts STs have been getting outplayed for close to a decade.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:50pm

That pass should have been a TD, llyod was never touched.

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by jurb (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:54pm

Lloyd is having a hell of a game.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:50pm

Manning complete to Burress. Ball knocked away, seemingly while he was down (I am sure they will review). Then during the runback, looks like a penalty (face mask?) on the G-men.

Let's assume for a second that they decide Burress was down. What happens with the penalty?

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by tuluse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:56pm

They pretend the penalty never happened.

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by BucNasty :: Mon, 09/15/2008 - 6:54am

A facemask is a personal foul. It's enforced no matter when it happens.

At least, it's supposed to be...

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by tuluse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:53pm

Then McKie makes it not matter.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:55pm

Touchdown, Giants, after a Burress fumble was overturned on review.

Meanwhile, McFadden is getting huge chunks of yards while fumbling seemingly on every other carry.

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by cd6 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:55pm

No one can stop the Ryan Longwell FG juggernaut.
Does the C on the jersey mean captain?
Longwell is a captain?

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by tuluse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:58pm

Every team has a specials teams captain in addition to the two offensive and defensive captains.

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by DivisionNick (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 2:58pm

Are those QB lines in the Raiders/Chefs game for real? 3/14 for 30 and 3/12 for 33 yards? Wow. That's putrid. Loser league anyone?

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by Steely Den :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:00pm

John Fox is gonna be spitting nails at the film sessions tomorrow. Panthers' offense gets a penalty on every other snap, it seems.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:00pm

I hadn't thought of it, but could Leslie Frazier's familiarity with the Colts offense be also contributing to how they've shut down the Colts?

Nah, probably just the line.

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by Steely Den :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:02pm

Hank Goldberg picked the Vikes. It seems they have a former Colts' offensive coach on staff, and he knows what Peyton's wig-wags mean. Sure looks like it.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:01pm

And just like that Colts get a touchdown. 76 yards.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:01pm

Flick # 1

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by Harris :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:02pm

The Giants have a 20-6 lead midway through the 3rd quarter. As the Eagles were up on the Rams, I think, 28-0 and the game was obviously over at this point , are we to assume that 1) the Eagles really are that good or 2) the Giants offense just doesn't have that many points in it?

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

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by tuluse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:06pm

Or 3) The Giants just don't throw down field as aggressively, but yeah I don't think the Giants offense is as good as the Eagle's.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:10pm

We've been throwing downfield all day, but Manning has been strangely accurate short and medium and not accurate long (excepting the TD to Burress).

We have also had crappy field position all day thanks to some great punting by the Rams. Throw in some really long field goals, and there you have it.

This game has not been as close as the score, and the Rams look just as bad as they did against the Eagles.

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by cd6 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:02pm

Crazy play for the colts. Manning to Gonzalez who laterelled to Wayne for a 76 yard TD.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:04pm

Childress challenge. But even if they rule him down at the one inch line, they'll still probably get a touchdown.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:05pm

Andrew: given the way the Colts have been running it...maybe not.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:05pm

Of course that distinction is of great interest to fantasy owners of Wayne (and Addai).

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by cd6 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:10pm

OR WILL THEY??

Two QB sneaks only get 1 foot.
And Addai's 3rd down carry was ruled a TD, but on review it doesn't look like he made it. Childress was right to challenge. I hope they overturn this one.

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by Adam B. (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:06pm

Apparently, I'm the next Chiefs QB today.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:08pm

Someone needs to teach Greg Olsen who to hold a football. This is just ridiculous.

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by Androo :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:09pm

Jason Campbell avoids the rush and throws the ball away into the stands ... where it is caught by a kid in a Jason Campbell jersey. Nice touch.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:09pm

Also, I wish the Bears had kept Chris Harris.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:09pm

And another Childress challenge.

Even if they win this one, Vikings are out of challenges. Hope this doesn't haunt them. (and the Colts will go on 4th down if overturned).

Plus, I think its too close to overturn.

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by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:09pm

Bears got away with a blatant personal foul on a sliding quarterback, not only hitting late, but also with the shoulder into the head, If this was Manning instead of Delhomme there would have been nine yellow flags flying out in every direction.

Amazing that they could miss it given they have already called 18 accepted penalties.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:13pm

First of all a shoulder to the head isn't a penalty (except on a QB in the pocket where you aren't allowed to breath on the head of a QB), secondly, it looks like Briggs took off before Delhomme slid, and the announcer's agree.

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by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:14pm

The QB needs to slide before the player starts to tackle. Delholme slid WAY too late. QB's need to realize that if you're going to slide, you need to give up a yard or two to do it. You need to slide BEFORE the defenders get close.

Totally legal hit. Delholmme needs to slide before the defenders are about to drill him. Great non-call.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:10pm

Addai didn't get in, but they called it on the field so they'll get the touchdown.

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by jurb :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:11pm

Devin Hester out with a rib injury.

Also, screw you Greg Olsen.

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by CoachDave :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:13pm

Wow. Even when the Colts score they look horrible.

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by Harris :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:14pm

The nose of the ball just has to break the front plane of the end zone. I thought the replay showed pretty clearly Addai did that.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

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by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:14pm

CBS's camera placement is worthless in the HHH dome. The camera that's supposed to be on the goal line is about a yard into the end zone. But on that one, it did look like the tip of the ball touched the tip of the line. And then Williams simply tossed him back and to the side like a rag doll.

If you ask me, the 2nd QB sneak looked like he got in... and certainly got farther than the 0 inches they gave them. I would've liked to see their bad angle replays of that one.

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by CoachDave :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:15pm

...and just like that...it's a ballgame.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:15pm

And the Colts get a turnover. Vikings dominance up till now is going for naught.

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by Tom (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:16pm

Dales:

The problem with the Giants long ball was that it was going to Toomer most of the time(missed one badly on steve smith), I love the old vet, but he's not the one you want to send on those fly routes.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:17pm

Finally some pressure, and the fumble gives the Colts their first good field position.

Still, with the way things are going, 30 yards is still a challenge. Great catch and hold by Marvin.

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by Harris :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:20pm

Which is stupider: McMichael celebrating a first down while down by 14 points, or Butler celebrating a big hit after giving up a first down?

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:20pm

The flaming thumbtacks block the punt in the end zone, and it does not bounce out of the end zone. In fact, it goes straight down and says there, recovered by the Titans for a TD.

Meanwhile, the Rams get a receiver wide open deep, and miss.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:20pm

and after the fumble...Vinateri misses a 30 yard FG?

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:20pm

Colts get nothing from the fumble...nice guys. Really nice...

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by CoachDave :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:21pm

F-ing Vinateri...can't kickoff worth a damn...chokes in big FGs (see SD game).

And huge salary cap hit.

Cut his ass.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:24pm

The Vikings seem to always take out Peterson on 3rd down.

I think you'd have to respect a run if he were still in there.

Jackson misses badly on back to back throws after the missed FG and have to punt.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:25pm

If Wayne had gotten in after that lateral, does that count as a touchdown pass or a run?

Not asking for fantasy purposes, just curious. Dierdorf mentioned it'd be a TD pass for Manning but I'm not sure that makes sense. Also, Dierdorf is an idiot, so I don't trust him. So that's a 76 yard completion including 17 YACAL?

Defense looks better. Freeney got blatantly tackled on that third down play. Good thing Jackson can't hit the broad side of a barn on most throws.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:25pm

Reggie Bush touchdown, and gets called for taunting for pointing a finger at a Washington defender at the fifteen on his way in.

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by jurb :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:25pm

Reggie Bush with a punt return TD.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:26pm

And Holt gets a very fortunate bounce for a TD. And it is a game again.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:26pm

sigh, I benched McFadden this week... he has more than my two starting RBs combined.

152
by B :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:27pm

Holy sh%T that was an incredible play by Holt coming down with the TD.

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by Harris :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:27pm

Holt scores on the most ridiculous, impossible-to-review catch in possibly the history of all mankind.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

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by cd6 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:29pm

Manning pick off after a tipped ball.

Vikings will get the ball at mid field.

Only need 20 yards for another FG!

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:30pm

Manning picked again. The Vikings have to close the deal here.

After last drive, wish they'd realize that just because Peterson only gets 2 yards on first down doesn't mean you shouldn't run him again...

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by jurb :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:33pm

38 yard TD pass, Kitna to Calvin Johnson. The Lions are actually making it a game.

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by DivisionNick (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:32pm

Aaron Glenn down in the Saints-Skins game. Could we see Hole in Zone?

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by NRG :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:36pm

Jason David in the HiZzy? Or is it Jason David is the HiZzy? Even with him, the NO Defense will look better than the Chiefs does.

NRG

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by Trieu (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:32pm

That Tory Holt catch was incredible. I can't even begin to describe it. Good job by the refs too for recognizing what happened.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:33pm

Sheez. Bob Sanders is now out with an ankle injury?

I mean, I'm rooting against the Colts today but everthing else aside, hard to root for this kind of misfortune.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:34pm

Can the Bears field a punt without a block in the back this game?

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by B :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:34pm

Speaking of Hole in the Zone, the Browns last week thought it was a good idea to have him cover Jason Whitten. It worked about as well as you might expect.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:35pm

The Vikes miss a great chance to put a nail in the coffin as Longwell hooks one.

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by B :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:36pm

So both teams turn the ball over, and each turnover ends in a missed field goal....

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:38pm

Nice catch by Hixon for a long first down.

And Giants touchdown, Bradshaw. Woot!

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:38pm

and now Colts driving for tying TD...

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by tuluse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:38pm

Orton was close on that one, but his deep game is not good.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:42pm

"Orton was close on that one, but his deep game is not good."

Maybe, but he throws the quick flare to a receiver like a champ.

I liked the separate boards for commenting, FYI- easier to reply to people.

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by jurb :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:42pm

The one thing I miss about Rex Grossman.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:39pm

Flick #2 , sigh.
Playing the Colts is like holding a ticking bomb.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:39pm

tie game

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:40pm

Thigpen started off horribly, but has looked pretty good every time I look over.

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by Yaguar :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:41pm

In other news, despite the Raiders' win, I think the Jamarcus Russell Bust Watch is on.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:42pm

Incredible. And the game is tied... on a running play for 2. That play gained more than double their average output for the game on rushes.

Wish CBS would've shown us what they were talking about with Manning being upset and some violence after the play. Sounds like maybe he took a late hit or something.

The balls look almost like they're going to float high out of Peyton's hand, but so far they have all settled right down into their targets, with the exception of the tip/pick last drive and the overthrow in the back of the end zone before the missed field goal. He still gets more zing than most QBs, but it doesn't look quite the same so far.

Melvin Bullitt is looking very good on ST and in Bob's spot.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:42pm

The way the Vikings are going they will be fortunate to go 3 and out.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:42pm

Tuck with another sack.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:44pm

Speaking of letting teams hang around-- suddenly the Panthers have the lead.

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by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:45pm

Caroline takes the lead, after being 14 down.

Jonathon Stewart is definitely better than D'angelo Williams

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:45pm

Back to back blatant interference plays not called against Colts and Vikings have to punt.

If they're going to call it like that might as well do it every play.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:46pm

Tuck with the TOUCHDOWN.

(An interception)

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:46pm

All right, Carolina.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:46pm

Surprisingly good throw downfield to an open Berrian from Jackson and he trips over himself.

Sterratore is having a bit of trouble with his penalty calls.

Panthers and Bills both take the lead... interesting.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:48pm

I have zero confidence right now. Colts will score winning FG as time expires.

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by jurb :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:48pm

It's up to Neckbeard.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:49pm

Only one of those plays should have drawn a flag. But the refs have been favorable towards the Cols in this game. A few very Colts friendly spots as well as the no call there.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:50pm

Redskiins clawing back on a nice draw to Portis.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:50pm

Wow, great catch by Gonzalez to get the first on a dangerous throw. Is the Viking D line tiring? They're not blasting the Colts into the backfield as much anymore.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:51pm

And the LIONS take the lead. Calvin Johnson.

WTF!

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by DivisionNick (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:51pm

The topic this week...letting teams hang around. The lions just took the lead on the pack.

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by jurb :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:52pm

Calvin Johnson TD catch. Lions have the chance to take the lead.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:52pm

3rd and 9.... this is it...

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by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:52pm

There was no PI on the deep ball to Berrian. I think they couldn't make up their mind on the play before. Hayden had his hands all over him. But the receiver was handsy back and I think that threw them off.

Usually the Colts get screwed on spots (but helped on everything else) so it's a bit odd to see these blatantly incorrect spots.

Gonzalez got held up a bit on that 2nd down throw. So maybe it's starting to even out.

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by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:56pm

The colts usually get screwed on PI calls? Since when? If I had to pick an NFL team that received the benefit of more bad PI calls than any other, it would be Indy. Although, its usually their offense getting them.

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by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:53pm

What the hell is happening in Green Bay?

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by cd6 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:58pm

The same thing that let the Redskins just score two quick ones on the Saints to take the lead?

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:54pm

Wow, what a nice play by the Colts to down it on the one.

Meanwhile, the Bengals still suck.

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by DivisionNick (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:54pm

six of the eight games are one-score games in the final four minutes. Cant' ask for much better than that.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:56pm

It looked like Hayden initiated the contact on the one play, and that was well after five yards. And I agree no interference on the Berrian play.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:56pm

Bradshaw TD.

Santana Moss TD.

Green Bay gets a long completion.

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by princeton73 (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:56pm

What the hell is happening in Green Bay?

nothing--the game's in Detroit

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 3:57pm

Carson Palmer, benched?

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by NRG :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:00pm

KC is making Oakland look like an NFL team. This does not bode well for KC. Also, Larry Johnson is done, with a capital D, in case that was still in question.

NRG

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:02pm

wow personal foul on colts takes them back from FG range.

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by Jesse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:02pm

Peterson's got 160 yards on 29 carries. Listen, Vikes, I know he seems like he's handling 30 carries a game just fine--after all, he did it a lot in college--but you have to remember, he also missed a lot of games in college.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:06pm

It'll be a damn shame if his talent gets wasted waiting for Tavaris Jackson to miraculously transform into an NFL quarterback.

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by Harris :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:05pm

Damn you, Bears. That's Philadelphia's draft spot you're screwing up. Get your heads in the game.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:04pm

And GB ices it.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:04pm

arrrrgth

Vinateri to win it, 47 yarder coming.

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by Jesse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:04pm

Vinatieri to win it...

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by Jesse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:05pm

Nailed it. And Peterson's 160 yards are for naught.

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by NRG :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:05pm

15 rushes for 20 yards? Is Ryan Grant still gimpy, or did Detroit's D actually play the run well?

NRG

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:05pm

Vikings lose a game at home after being up 15-0.

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by Dired :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:07pm

Five field goals and no touchdowns - when has that ever been a reason to celebrate?

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:06pm

Vinatieri hits a 47 yarder. Colts should win.

"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."- Unforgiven

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by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:06pm

Wow. What a craptacular game. Crazy that the Colts were able to look that bad and win.

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by jurb :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:06pm

Hate the play calling by the Bears there. While I understand why you might throw it on 3rd and 1, use the two cracks to get the first down.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:07pm

Ouch for the Vikings.

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by Zac :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:08pm

And Woodson with his second INT of the game, returns it for a TD and I write GAME OVER in my notebook. They let Detroit hang on way too long though.

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by DivisionNick (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:13pm

GB vs Detroit.

ANOTHER Interception for a TD! Ok, ok, there are enough nails in that coffin already!

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:16pm

Those of us starting GB's defense disagree. I could use one more.

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by cd6 :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:09pm

Speaking of disappointing losses, what a collapse by New Orleans in the 4th quarter. Ouch.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:09pm

The first half of this weeks' early games were really craptacular.

The second halves were highly entertaining. Except, I guess, to Bears and Vikings fans. My condolences.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:10pm

Rich, I said on spots, not on PI calls. They almost always benefit from those. But I've seen a ton of really bad spots over the past 5 years always going against them, which is why it's a bit odd to see them getting gifts in that area this year as well.

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by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:13pm

Kyle cannot make a deep throw. He is terrible at that. I mean breathtakingly bad. He is so good at the short stuff and squeezing in the quick throw, but, wow, he is atrocious on the deep throw. Why didn't they bring in Grossman at the end when they needed the deep ball, or at least the threat of a deep ball?

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by tuluse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:24pm

The last thing this team needs is a QB controversy. It might have been worth a loss here to avoid that.

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by Harris :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:25pm

Scott Linehan is a bad coach, but watching his press conference is just pitiful. He might go Bud Dwyer if this keeps up.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:26pm

Feely!

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by talys :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:29pm

Jets take the opening kickoff and Feely misses a 31-yarder. Now time to see what Cassel can do.

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by tally :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:32pm

Wow. Replay equipment isn't functioning in Denver, so SD can't challenge to overturn a fumble by Chambers. TV replays indicate that it probably would have been overturned. What a break.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:32pm

Moroney up the gut into Kris Jenkins arms every first down?

231
by Rocco :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:33pm

Tom Brady who?

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:33pm

Tom Brady who?

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by t.d. :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:34pm

Cassel looks pretty good so far

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by DivisionNick (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:53pm

Wow, Simms & Company are covering this game like it's the movie adaptation of Cassel's career. There are still other players on the field, right? I've heard as much references to "him" or "his throw" or "his career" than in the usually-skewed coverage of a Colts game mentioning Manning.

Meanwhile, Warner is off to a blistering start for Arizona.

234
by Lance :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:34pm

Third down for the Pats. If they don't score, do they go for it?!?

235
by B :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:37pm

It's too early to run up the score, so no.

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by Lance :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:40pm

I thought running up the score early was the point! That made running up the score later so much sweeter!

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:38pm

Cassel isn't looking like a Tavaris Jackson.

Yet.

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by Lance :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:38pm

Brady-Pats would have gone for it, I think. They also would have tried to throw it on third down.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:50pm

Faulk! hella catch.

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by Androo :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:51pm

I haven't seen every play but, it appears early on that Cassel is looking for Welker. Has he looked Moss' way yet?

With Moss' history in the back of my mind I wonder if they should get him involved early so he doesn't lose interest in the new guy.

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by Harris :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:56pm

Maybe he prefers Welker's grittiness to Moss's incredible natural ability?

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

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by NRG :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 4:54pm

So Hasselbeck is without Branch, Engram, Wallace, Payne, Burleson, and Morris. Oh, and Taylor can't catch. Looks like a big day for Carlson and J.Jones is imminent.

NRG

244
by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:02pm

Favre is just having fun out there.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:07pm

I finally see a need for a rating system ;)

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:24pm

Hopefully because you appreciate syrupy sarcasm? :-D

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by DivisionNick (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:28pm

Richard Seymour is just havin' fun out there.

245
by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:03pm

Rodney lost his jock on that washington run

247
by NRG :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:12pm

Do not disrespect Rodney Harrison. Jock or not, things will get ugly. . . Just sayin'.

NRG

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by Lance :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:13pm

NE is still going with 3- and 4-WR sets. Though instead of throwing TDs, Cassell is doing QB draws.

249
by MilkmanDanimal :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:17pm

Am I the only one watching Bucs-Falcons?

Offhand, I'd say Matt Ryan and Michael Turner are realizing that playing against a real defense isn't quite as fun as going against Detroit.

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by t.d. :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:17pm

Gamesmanship, in my NE-NYJ game?
-You're soaking in it.

251
by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:18pm

Nicest minus 5 yard run I've seen today.

252
by Jesse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:19pm

Sick stat of the week:

Kurt Warner is currently 9/10 for 221 yards 2 TDs and no picks.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:22pm

I think the pattern is he gets worse over the year as the beatings add up

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by Jesse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:23pm

This is true, but even so he doesn't normally start *this* well.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:24pm

That depends on your definition of normal for Warner, he certainly started like this in St Louis.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:22pm

Holy crap, Matt Ryan has started 1 for 11 with two picks. Are the Lions really just that bad? They will be lucky to win a game this year.

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by t.d. :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:26pm

Warner was the best passer, excluding fumbles, in the second half last year, so who knows?

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by NRG :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:33pm

What a bullshit call. Apparently you can be interfered with when you are out of bounds (and 48 years old, like Isaac Bruce). Sons of bitches!

NRG

261
by dianagram :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:47pm

Hmmm .... I didn't draft Brady in any of my leagues .... but I *did* draft Randy Moss.

Oy ...

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:48pm

You can see a huge difference with Cassel in for the Pats- teams aren't afraid to blitz the hell out of the Pats now for fear of the deep ball.

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by Steely Den :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:51pm

Cutler 22/30, 235, 3 TD - nice first half. Whose 1st half was best, Cutler, Warner, or Rodgers?

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:54pm

Favre is still just having fun out there.

So much so, that he can't remember where the LOS is.

ETA: Hah, Trogdor! Beat you by *that* much! But then he picks up 3rd and 22.

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by Trogdor :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:52pm

Favre sure is gunslingin' and havin' fun out there. The line of scrimmage means nothing.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:53pm

Offensive PI!

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:54pm

I thought that was an INT in the air

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by Trogdor :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:55pm

And just as I get set to mock a play-action fake on 3rd and 22, Favre makes a great escape and gunslings it for the first down. I don't think Pennington makes a play like that.

And then a deep heave into coverage, caught due to OPI. Getting the full range of Favredom here.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:56pm

Especially with the pick.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:57pm

Favre realized that he should have had a pass picked earlier, so he atones for it by throwing to a wide-open Brandon Merriweather.

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by B :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:56pm

Favre is just having fun out there.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:56pm

Merriweather held on to an easy interception.
big progress for #31.

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by Dave in Tucson (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 5:57pm

Dolphins hold the Cardinals to a long FG. Rackers misses -- but oh, Dolphins have 12 men on the field, first down. Then DPI in the endzone, first and goal!

Now a face mask penalty; first and goalier.

D∈T

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by dianagram :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:05pm

when is the last time the Chargers gave up 31 in a half?

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:07pm

Didn't they give up a ton of points in the first half against the Bengals two years ago?

276
by NRG :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:10pm

Maybe the last time Merriman was out?

NRG

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:12pm

I'm surprised it took so long to see Jordan.

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by Dales :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:13pm

The Niners come storming back. The Seahawks aren't who they used to be, are they?

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by NRG :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:21pm

No they aren't. They're a lot less lucky, with two tip-ball interceptions leading to two SF touchdowns.

NRG

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by Harris :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:15pm

Stephen Gostkowski = Ken. His hair helmet is truly impressive.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

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by El Jefe (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:16pm

This is playing out almost exactly what I expected to see (Pats-Jets).

Cassel looks pretty good. When he has protection, he's acting decisively, throwing with adequate accuracy, taking what he can get. When protection is inadequate, he's been holding on to the ball when sacked. What more can you ask for? It's premature, but the Pats are looking to be in good hands for this season.

I think the playcalling is a bit conservative. A few too many runs in what I'd see as passing situations, and the level of success from the runs has been.... not amazing.

Also, the red zone offense is crap. With Cassel a smaller threat than Brady, the Jets are keying in on the run pretty well, and pressuring him in to inaction when the Pats do pass.

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by talys :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:21pm

The field position has been surprisingly one-sided though. The Pats have started I think 3 drives in Jets territory, while the Jets keep having to start on their own 20 because Gostkowski (sp?) has been phenomenal on kickoffs. Every single one has been a touchback.

Edit: Nantz just said it's 4 drives in Jets territory. Still incredible.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:22pm

Jets have had punting issues as well.

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by Craigo :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:24pm

You really think they're in good hands? I penciled in the Bills as the AFCE champion after the first half of this game.

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by Yaguar :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:26pm

The Seattle game is a study in what happens to an elite quarterback if you take away all his teammates.

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by CathyW :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:27pm

Yay! TD Jets!

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by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:27pm

"You really think they're in good hands? I penciled in the Bills as the AFCE champion after the first half of this game."

For a first career start against a playoff contender, I think Cassel is playing remarkably well. There have been some miscues and miscommunication, but this stuff should get better.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:30pm

The guy hasn't started since high school.
I'm hoping for a lot of improvement over a season of real starting experience and the practice reps that go with that.

Hoping.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:27pm

Picked rodney nicely

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by Craigo :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:35pm

Randy Moss looks pissed.

It begins.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:38pm

He dropped a catchable ball.
He should be upset.

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by Craigo :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:41pm

"Catchable" is a stretch when the ball is so underthrown that the DB that you soundly beat has time to catch up and defend it.

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by t.d. :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:38pm

Cassel hasn't looked hopeless, but the Jets are only considered playoff contenders because their schedule is weak.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:43pm

It's true the Jets barely beat the Fins who are getting killed by the mighty Cards.
but a W is a W.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:44pm

2 scores, 5 minutes.
I'll be disappointed if the Pats blow this.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:46pm

Nobody disappoints their fans quite like the New York Jets.

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by Dave in Tucson (not verified) :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:47pm

And, down 28 points with less than 10 minutes left to play, Dolphins put in rookie Chad Henne at QB.

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by B :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:48pm

Now that was a sack by Adelius. Take down Favre and the back who "blocked" him.

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by mikeabbott :: Sun, 09/14/2008 - 6:48pm

Hobbes is choice.
He is playing well this year.

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