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16 Sep 2009

Week 2 Open Discussion Thread

Your Week 2 schedule:

Sun, Sep 20 Stadium Time (ET) Tickets Network DIRECTV SIRIUS Westwood One
HOU @ TEN LP Field 1:00 PM Tickets CBS 707 126 (HOU)
NO @ PHI Lincoln Financial Field 1:00 PM Tickets FOX 710 153 (NO) 125 (PHI)
ARI @ JAC Jacksonville Municipal Stadium 1:00 PM Tickets FOX 708 157 (ARI) 113 (JAC)
OAK @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM Tickets CBS 705 156 (OAK) 130 (KC)
CIN @ GB Lambeau Field 1:00 PM Tickets CBS 704 147 (CIN) 122 (GB)
MIN @ DET Ford Field 1:00 PM Tickets FOX 711 121 (MIN) 155 (DET)
STL @ WAS FedEx Field 1:00 PM Tickets FOX 712 151 (STL) 127 (WAS)
NE @ NYJ Giants Stadium 1:00 PM Tickets CBS 706 129 (NE) 123 (NYJ)
CAR @ ATL Georgia Dome 1:00 PM Tickets FOX 709 158 (CAR) 91 (ATL)
TB @ BUF Ralph Wilson Stadium 4:05 PM Tickets FOX 713 91 (TB) 127 (BUF)
SEA @ SF Candlestick Park 4:05 PM Tickets FOX 714 113 (SEA) 122 (SF)
BAL @ SD Qualcomm Stadium 4:15 PM Tickets CBS 717 130 (BAL) 126 (SD)
PIT @ CHI Soldier Field 4:15 PM Tickets CBS 715 121 (PIT) 123 (CHI)
CLE @ DEN Invesco Field at Mile High 4:15 PM Tickets CBS 716 127 (CLE) 125 (DEN)
NYG @ DAL Cowboys Stadium 8:20 PM Tickets NBC 127 (NYG) 126 (DAL) Radio
Mon, Sep 21 Stadium Time (ET) Tickets Network DIRECTV SIRIUS Westwood One
IND @ MIA Land Shark Stadium 8:30 PM Tickets ESPN 206 126 (IND) 125 (MIA) Radio

Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 16 Sep 2009

95 replies , Last at 24 Sep 2009, 2:42pm by tuluse

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Re: Week 2 Open Discussion Thread
by wallyg :: Thu, 09/17/2009 - 11:52am

When will updated picks be posted?

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by Sifter :: Thu, 09/17/2009 - 4:06pm

I'll be seeing NE-NYJ and TB-BUF this week. Will be good to see Sanchez play, but I'm kinda bored of the Patriots - another short pass to Welker...snoooze. How has no one learned to stop him yet, he never goes more than 10-15 yards.

Looking forward to seeing Leftwich and Cadillac though. I was a Leftwich fan a few years back and I kinda hope he does well on his comeback since so many like to rag on him. And I really enjoyed watching the Bills move the ball in the no huddle on Monday night. Takes me back to the K-gun of old, when I first started watching football - and why the Bills will always be a team close to my heart. Should be a good matchup.

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by wagnew :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 1:01pm

Look for the Rams to upset the Redskins. Spags has focused on the penalties/mistakes. Without them they would have given the Seahawks a game. Week 2 in the NFL is always crazy so this should fit. Rams 1-1.

Wil

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by underthebus :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 2:52pm

I just threw $20 at the Rams to win the division at 8-1 odds in Vegas this past weekend. Hopefully this is the beginning of their run.

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by underthebus :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 2:52pm

I just threw $20 at the Rams to win the division at 8-1 odds in Vegas this past weekend. Hopefully this is the beginning of their run.

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by underthebus :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 3:13pm

sorry about the triple post, that's crazy.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 1:31pm

Dierdorf just called Brady "Tommy". Ugh. Guess I won't be watching much of this game.

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by B :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 1:36pm

We're lucky he's not calling him Timmy.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 2:22pm

I was going to watch NE-Jets until I heard Dierdorf's voice. I switched to a different game immediately. Worst. Sportscaster. Ever.

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by Dave :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 1:51pm

Did Jack Del Rio just try to challenge a non-call for DPI?

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 1:54pm

Good play from the Eagles (ugh, I hate saying that). That was a hell of an interception.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 2:05pm

As much as I hate the Eagles, I have to say their offense is interesting to watch this week.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 2:07pm

The vikings just look atrocious today. Well I can't see them but that's probably a good thing. Favre has about as many sacks as completions (even when they get called for holding), Adrian Peterson twice failed to get a yard for a first down, he's fumbled the ball, and the Lions are running the ball on them... at will. They just drove the length of the field almost entirely by running the ball, 7+ yards a clip, then capped it with a short TD pass. Oh, and teh Vikings also gave up a bunch of yards on penalties too.

I know they turned it on in the 2nd half last week, but this honestly looks like they could get blown out. THey are lucky to be down only 10-0.

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by Dave :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 2:12pm

Favre doesn't even throw passes beyond the line of scrimmage anymore. Couldn't Rosenfels have done that and saved them 12 million dollars?

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by asdfasdf (not verified) :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 2:13pm

Anyone else sick of coaches' timeouts canceling a play that's well underway? We have green-dot helmets now; make the players do it.

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by Opiegrey :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 2:43pm

Aren't the helmets turned off at like 10 on the play clock or something? I was under that impression anyway.

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 2:46pm

And theres the Jets offense for you... Washington with the big return, big gain by cothery on the slant, and Dustin Keller caps it off in the back of the enzone...

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by Sarkar :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 2:48pm

How does Kolb look?

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 2:56pm

Actually good. The Eagles are using a whole mess of the wildcat, but the whole Eagles offense is looking pretty good.

Of course, keep in mind this is the Saints defense he is looking good against.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 2:59pm

Of course, as soon as I say that he throws an interception.

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by Cid (not verified) :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 2:49pm

More exciting player to watch? Adrian Peterson or Chris Johnson?

My money's on AP, but just barely.

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by B :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 3:33pm

AP. When he get the ball anything could happen. Touchdown, fumble, zero yard gain, anything.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 3:16pm

The New Orleans offense is just unstoppable today. The Eagles finally get pressure on Brees, and Brees gets away and then gets a great catch from Henderson for a big play.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 3:15pm

Did the Jets crowd chant what I think they chanted?

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by underthebus :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 3:40pm

what did you think they were chanting?

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by asdfasdf (not verified) :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 4:04pm

"Brady sucks." (Also, "J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS", but that's hardly comment-worthy.)

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 4:20pm

It sounded like something rather inappropriate. I probably misheard them and just assumed the worst of Jets fans.

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by Dave :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 3:47pm

Zorn shows some balls against the Rams, the run fails miserably, meaning nobody will notice it was a great call. 4 incompletes later, game is over, and the Skins will win.

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by Yaguar :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 3:53pm

Drew Brees is fast approaching Canton.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 3:57pm

Late in the Detroit game, on a 4th and 2 and trying to run out the clock, the Vikings had Tarvaris Jackson in for garbage time. He threw a short pass to Chester Taylor who went 14 yards.

It was the Vikings' longest pass play of the day.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 4:00pm

Why did the Vikings need Favre for that?

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by asdfasdf (not verified) :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 4:08pm

Wow, the refs could have easily called PI on both of the Patriots' last two offensive plays.

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by Dave :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 4:13pm

Agree. I was rooting against the Pats, but I found those two plays kind of astonishing. Tons of contact in the secondary and two all out jailbreak blitzes. Ordinarily that would be a shockingly bad idea. But Brady right now looks more like Eli than himself. We'll all get sick to death of the knee excuses the media will make this week, but they're right: he's not all the way back.

It's not the knee, which is physically fine, but his head isn't ready to trust it yet. he's not following through at all, and has no confidence or accuracy. Welker being out really messed him up today too.

He'll be fine in a few weeks though.

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by asdfasdf (not verified) :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 4:14pm

I actually think it's not the knee so much as his confidence in his knee, and his shoulder. With BB, we'll never know...

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by Dave :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 4:25pm

Exactly. The knee is physically OK, but it takes a long time to be 100% confident to step up in a pocket with giant men charging you. Totally understandable.

Last week we saw that he could still hit most throws without full use of his legs, but I think the loss of Welker today was a major hit. With the kind of pressure the Jets brought, an imperfect Brady didn't have too much of a chance.

Still, not bad for what could be called one of his worst games in years. No turnovers, at least. Still worlds better than some of the other QBs today.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 4:30pm

He actually threw an INT today.

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by Sifter :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 5:07pm

Just on the loss of Welker - I thought it didn't make much difference at all. Maybe he would have had 15 catches, but I thought Edelman did a good job in his stead. This might be the start of the 'ZOMG Welker isn't as awesome as we all think' phenomena. Kinda like the Denver replaceable RB theory, I think the short pattern WR in the Patriots scheme has a pretty awesome job too. The FO guys hinted that even a guy like Danny Amendola is basically Wes Welker reborn and I could see a Kevin Curtis type posting huge numbers in the slot at the Pats too.

But anyway...the real receiver problem was Revis blanketing Moss and Galloway and Watson were barely thrown to, so they can't have been open too often. I'm not sure Galloway is good enough now to start for the Pats. I guess we'll see at the season progresses. Oh and Brady being more inaccurate than usual didn't help either.

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by Ben :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 4:30pm

I know it's only week 2, but it's surprising to me how close the Bengals and Raiders are to 2-0 and how close the Patriots are to 0-2.

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by asdfasdf (not verified) :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 4:32pm

On the other hand, the Patriots were about one rookie mistake away from 2-0 (which is why we have DVOA, blah blah).

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by Ben :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 5:59pm

Certainly true. I'm not a particular follower of any of those teams, and this is still part of the 'jump to conclusions' part of the season. Just an idle observation mostly, not a particular commentary on any of the three teams (though, if any of those teams fans have insights, I'd love to hear them).

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by Whatev (not verified) :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 4:43pm

If JaMarcus Russell could reach, say, a pretty mediocre 50% completion rate, the Raiders would be comfortably 2-0. The rest of the team is doing reasonably well.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 4:32pm

Bruce Arians is capable of learning- rather than another fruitless run up the gut on 4th and short, he put the ball in BRoeth's hands. TD to Spaeth.

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by Joseph :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 4:39pm

Okay--don't know how many posters saw Saints-Eagles. But I will ask you this--after DESTROYING the Eagles 48-22 (including 2 picks in the last 60 secs, the first of which was returned for a TD)--in Philly, I might add--how does the Saints' koolaid taste?
Beating DET at home--okay, that was DET. Whipping Philly in their home opener--the EX-#1 in VOA, look out. 3 of 4 turnovers resulted in TD's. The other was a INT at the end of the game. You can say Kolb got 350+ yds passing. Check the stat book and his DVOA. It won't be pretty. Most of it was in garbage time, and one chunk was a 77 yd TD to DeSean Jackson. I'll give him his props--great read, perfect throw. Other than that, not so good. For a QB in his first NFL start--I give him a B+. Last pick was desperation heave--not hail mary--just an attempt to get a long pass on the last play of the game. The pick returned by Sharper for a TD--just a cagey vet taking candy from a baby. The first pick--thrown to LB Scott Shanle--just a bad throw.
All in all--2 and 0--and both weren't close after 2 and 1/2 quarters.

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by Sifter :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 4:52pm

Glad you're enjoying the koolaid Joseph

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 5:05pm

How do these people decide what plays to show from the other game? Seriously, I'm watching the Steelers/Bears they show a five yard TD run from the Ravens. And then I here something like. 'How about that 81 yard reception by Sproles for the first touchdown.'

Seriously, of the two plays which would you rather see?

Maybe I'm just bitter because I'd rather be watching the Ravens and Chargers game.

I've seen both the Bears and Steelers already this year. I'd rather see a team I haven't gotten a chance at yet. Plus, I don't think it will be a good game. I just don't expect much from the Bears in this game.

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by Cid (not verified) :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 5:25pm

So watching the Bears and Steelers slip around all over the field, and having watched my fair share of games in rain or snow where footing is terrible, here's my question:

Has any one in football done a serious study, either film or statistical, to figure out what sort of passing offense works best when footing is terrible but there's very little wind?

It seems like there would be a massive advantage for those 1-2 games a season where conditions are exactly that way, especially for out door teams that play on terrible fields, like the Bears and Steelers.

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by zzyzx :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 5:32pm

...and the Seahawks season probably ends early again as Hasselbeck goes down...

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by navin :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 5:54pm

Norv kicking the field goal with 10 seconds left on third down!

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by Big Johnson (not verified) :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 6:20pm

chargers first and goal on the 1. no timeouts. 19 seconds left.

DELAY OF GAME!

heres the refs explanation
"There was a mistake on the play clock. it was set to 12 seconds instead of 25 seconds for after a timeout. We will still assess the delay of game because we have that authority. Our bad. Sorry san diego (again)"

hochuli number 2!!

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by Opiegrey :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 10:31pm

Urm, that's not the explanation he gave. He said when the clock is stopped for a review (which it was) the play clock stops where it is (12 seconds in this case) and it does not reset. Dems da rules.

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by Big Johnson (not verified) :: Mon, 09/21/2009 - 12:45am

thats not the explanation he gave either. A review does not (or should not)halt the play clock. There have been many times where a review has been started at less than 5 seconds on the play clock while the team was lined up for the next play. After the review is an automatic delay of game assessed? So lets see. for example, its at a crucial point in the game. Lets say a team has a 3rd and 2 in the 4th quarter and its a close game. The play clock gets down to 3 seconds, and (for example) norv throws the challenge flag. Brilliant play because now the other team is doomed to a delay of game penalty. Norv loses the challenge of spotting where the ball was. Now the other team has a 3rd and 7 after they dont have time to set up and hike the ball in 3 seconds. Thats a huge loophole in ur half ass explanation of what happened.

If thats what the rule is, then its another retarded rule that should get changed this year. I dont get it. These arent normal plays. Doesnt a challenge start the play clock at 25 seconds like after a timeout? a normal play sets the clock at 40 seconds. A timeout is 25 seconds. Why would a challenge halt the clock?!? I am gonna need verification on this cause i dont believe it for one second. If thats what the rule is then why are special ed kids deciding how the game is played? I can make up rules that are random and dont help the game one bit too. If you save all 6 timeouts, your coach should have a chance to make a field goal at the end of a game. These points get added on to the total and might affect the outcome of the game.... but only if ur coach is athletic enough to make the 20 yard field goal.

Rules are meant to keep the game 1. entertaining and 2. fair. Rules that allow for loopholes are sketchy and probably added to the rulebook by people too dumb to realize how their stupidity might affect the outcome of a football game. That delay of game penalty was the difference between a 2-0 chargers 1-1 ravens instead of the other way around. I hope this disgusts everyone else as much as it disgusts me. Pass interferences can be viewed differently on virtually every single one. Refs blatant mistakes that affect the outcome should not be viewed in the same light.

If any other team gets screwed like this it gets lots of publicity. The refs have single handedly decided the outcome of two of the chargers last 20 football games by their own mistakes. 10% chance that the refs will make a blatant mistake is ridiculous. I cant wait to see what they will come up with next week to decide the outcome

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by Big Johnson (not verified) :: Mon, 09/21/2009 - 2:18am

Here is the refs job against the chargers.

1. Make sure replay machinery doesnt work so norv's challenge gets denied. (week 2 last year against denver) This is the only game in nfl history where replay machinery has malfunctioned enough to where 1 team cannot challenge a call on the field. The game also happened to be in denver. No chance that it was tampered with.

2. Make sure obvious fumbles get called incomplete passes so that the chargers now cannot recover fumbles. (week 2 denver game last year) aka the hochuli play. This play is widely considered the worst call in nfl history. This is best combined with number 1. The chargers must lose this game and we will do everything we can to make this happen.

3. The chargers get 12 seconds on the play clock after reviews. All other teams get 25 seconds. (Week 2 against baltimore this year) This will result in an unexpected delay of game at a very crucial first and goal from the 1. We will explain how the play clock should have been at 25 seconds but we also wont change the call. Blatant mistakes will go unnoticed. There are not enough charger fans to complain about how ridiculous we must act. It will go unnoticed to the rest of the world.

4. Make sure the chargers are on pace for 168 penalties and 1160 penalty yards. This is a last resort. The teams they play against will play more physical and hard nosed but somehow that will be combined with discipline. Thats the word we should use. Ravens can hit players before the ball reaches them (4th quarter against chambers) and replay can clearly show its not close at all. Just like in number 3, there are too few charger fans that it will go unnoticed.

Is this just unlucky? What are the odds 1 team faces all this stuff when no other team in the nfl had had any of this stuff happen? Besides number 4, the other 3 are blatant ref bad judgement. No teams have EVER had to face any of these things...... there seems to be a clear conspiracy going on. This is bullshit and everyone in the nfl knows it. They just dont give a shit because they are behind it. Fuck the nfl and their anti charger plan.

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by t.d. :: Mon, 09/21/2009 - 6:41am

I have heard that AJ Smith isn't the most beloved guy in the league

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by Rocco :: Mon, 09/21/2009 - 7:33am

Actually, there was a game in 2006 where the replay equipment didn't work- I'm pretty sure it was Chargers/Steelers, and the Steelers were the ones challenging the play. (Pretty sure it was a catch anyway, but I've tried to forget about the 2006 season as a Steelers fan.)

The play clock doesn't reset after a challenge. That happened to the Steelers last year against the Jags- the refs reviewed a play, and the Steelers ended up getting a delay of game because there were only (I believe) 15 seconds left on the play clock. That's the rule.

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by Big Johnson (not verified) :: Mon, 09/21/2009 - 9:53am

How is this a remotely fair rule? So many ways that a coach/replay booth can abuse the rule. If i challenge a play where there are 2 or 3 seconds on the play clock (they can wait till that amount of time on purpose, for a random play that doesnt matter) waste the challenge and lose a timeout, for a 5 yard automatic penalty on the other team due to the starting low play clock. The point of delay of game is so that one team doesnt just waste the clock or everybodys time, by taking too long per play. This seems like a random awful rule. I bet matt millen had something to do with this. I hope teams start to abuse the rule. It will make football much worse untill they fix it but if its a rule you gotta take advantage of it.

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by tuluse :: Mon, 09/21/2009 - 2:50pm

Are these coaching challenges or booth reviews?

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by Big Johnson (not verified) :: Mon, 09/21/2009 - 6:52pm

Im not sure either. If im understanding it somewhat, atleast booth reviews keep the play clock the same. Not sure about coaches challenges. Either way, the booth review option would add a whole new element to home field advantage

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by Don (not verified) :: Mon, 09/21/2009 - 9:44am

I keep trying to find reasons not to hate Norv and he keeps letting me down.

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by wagnew :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 6:32pm

Well after reviewing the box the point was valid. The Rams Fumble at the Wash 7. Either the TD or Field goal would have won the game. This team makes more mistakes than anybody. If they can fix that..... I suggest they start with benching Alex Barron the "human false start". In any major market the management would have no choice but to bench him. First home game next week Vs. Green Bay... 0-3... Perhaps Tebow as first pick in the draft?

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 6:42pm

Wow. I just now looked at the box score for the Oakland game. And freaking hell, JaMarcus Russell is freaking horrible.

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by Ben :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 8:17pm

Yikes. You aren't kidding...

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 11:48pm

But hey, at least he isn't Tony Romo.

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by Whatev (not verified) :: Mon, 09/21/2009 - 12:13am

This brings up a question I have. Looking at these past two Raiders games, it seems like their various receivers (including tight ends and running backs) have been getting open reasonably often and that most of the blame has to be assigned to Russell's throwing. What would the Raiders' DVOA be if Russell had a 50% completion rate instead of ~30%?

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 8:35pm

I see the Cowboys offense starts off as capably as ever.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 8:40pm

Ugh. This game is already looking ugly. I wish the Cowboys could ever start quickly.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 8:52pm

This is early in the game for the Cowboys to do this. The offense doesn't usually work until the second half.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 9:07pm

Fuck! I can't believe I'm saying this, but fuck you Felix Jones. Romo I'm used to screwing up, but you? What the hell was that? You can't give it up from that.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 9:53pm

That was an amazing interception. Just hope they didn't blow the whistle.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 9:59pm

Sometimes I hate being a Cowboys fan. How can this team repeatedly screw up this often in games? Fuck you, Flozel Adams. Fuck you for another piss poor pass, Romo.

This team is just full of people who screw up completely on their own. There's no reason to try to force the Cowboys into mistakes. They don't need the help.

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by andrew :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 10:01pm

And a bobbled TD pass to finish it off.

I don't ask for much from this game. All I ask is for 5 points from Jacobs. But 8 carries in and he has yet to crack 10 yards for my first point....

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 10:06pm

At least I can trust Folk.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 10:50pm

I've always been a big Newman fan (as I sit here in my Newman jersey). But that was a penalty on him. And a stupid one.

And then just a little later Newman continues to prove he is the only Cowboys DB who can tackle.

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by dianagram :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 10:52pm

Tony Romo has no sense of touch on his passes ...

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 10:55pm

That is usually not a problem with him. That was pretty unusual.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 11:02pm

Way to keep up the incompetence Romo.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 11:15pm

I miss the general ineptitude of our old quarterbacks before Romo. In a way it is actually better than a player with all the freaking talent in the world who wastes it with repeated stupid mistakes.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 11:25pm

How strange. They run the ball and get a first down. Why don't the Cowboys do that a bit more?

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 11:31pm

How Strange. They run the ball and get a touchdown. Why don't the Cowboys do that a bit more?

By the way, I have long hated Jason Garrett. That has yet to change.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 11:35pm

Ratliff is a beast.

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by Arson55 :: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 11:43pm

I just have to say two things as the Cowboys lose.

Fuck you Tony Romo.

And fuck you Jason Garrett.

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by asdfasdf (not verified) :: Mon, 09/21/2009 - 12:06am

What is it with all these successful last minute drives? Is this what people are getting at when they say that teams should go for more fourth downs?

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Re: Week 2 Open Discussion Thread
by vtkid911 :: Mon, 09/21/2009 - 8:07am

2 weeks in and so far the picks have been awful; is there any explanation why?

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Re: Week 2 Open Discussion Thread
by andrew :: Mon, 09/21/2009 - 10:04am

I'm not in favor of censoring the forums, but sheez, Arson. FO forums have a certain standard to uphold to of insightful commentary and analysis. I could forgive it if it were funny, but you're no cowboyjoe.

FWIW I think you can pretty much pin it on Philips, the cowboys have steadily declined since Parcels left. Everyone else is just following his lead. I'm just wondering how much Jones will put up with now that he's got his palace... I think he cares beyond just selling the place out. I wouldn't be surprised if Cowher is on his speed dial. I wouldn't be surprised if Cowher has already turned him down, and he's still pursuing him.

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Re: Week 2 Open Discussion Thread
by Arson55 :: Mon, 09/21/2009 - 4:06pm

Yeah, sorry about that. I've never been one to be too concerned by language. Words are just words, and unless the intention is specifically to hurt someone I'm never concerned about how they're used. My goal wasn't to hurt or offend anyone, just express my feelings as efficiently as possible. I'll endeavor to take more care with my language in the future.

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Re: Week 2 Open Discussion Thread
by Arson55 :: Mon, 09/21/2009 - 4:09pm

Oddly, enough I've got no real issues with Phillips. I don't really hold him responsible at all (Okay, that isn't true. He is responsible, but not wholly). It's true that his defense has never lived up to its billing, but at the end of last year, I was content to give him one more year. I'm still content to give him this year. The coverage was horrible last night, so it isn't as though the defense was great, but the team was screwed by turnovers. However, the team could have won if not for some horrible decisions and horrible throws from Romo.

I've calmed since last night. The season isn't even close to over, and the main issues are fixable. I'm still disgusted by the way the thing turned out especially against a division rival. Only glad it wasn't the Eagles this time.

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Re: Week 2 Open Discussion Thread
by Moridin :: Mon, 09/21/2009 - 8:44pm

Well, that's one way to get people to stop wondering about the Colts' receiving corps and Manning for awhile.

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Re: Week 2 Open Discussion Thread
by Moridin :: Mon, 09/21/2009 - 11:25pm

So, what's the least time of possession in a game for a winning team? Of course, the Colts left enough time for their D to give it up (so they may not win), but jeez, they've had it what, just under 15 minutes?

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Colts winning TD play: how is it not a flag?
by fracguru (not verified) :: Mon, 09/21/2009 - 11:39pm

I always thought that for an offensive lineman to block downfield on a pass play that play had to be a screen (caught behind the line of scrimmage).

On the Colts' winning TD play the center snaps the ball and immediately runs downfield where he gets a key block. The receiver clearly catches the ball a yard or so PAST the line of scrimmage.

Someone tell me what I'm missing.

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Re: Week 2 Open Discussion Thread
by Yaguar :: Tue, 09/22/2009 - 12:25am

@88: This was the least time of possession in a game for a winning team.
@89: They're allowed to throw blocks downfield once the pass has been completed. The location of the pass target doesn't matter.

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Re: Week 2 Open Discussion Thread
by fracguru (not verified) :: Tue, 09/22/2009 - 12:48am

Re: 90

But can he be downfield before the pass is completed?

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Re: Week 2 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Tue, 09/22/2009 - 1:03am

I believe the rule is this:

An O lineman cannot go past 1 yard beyond the line of scrimmage before the ball is thrown.

I just rewound and paused and Saturday was right there at that 1 yard line before the throw and only a yard beyond that at the time of the catch. As Garcon ran back inside, he got out and picked up the guy, and Pollak came from way behind (was right at the LOS at the time of the catch) and got the 2nd guy way downfield.

So it looks like it was legit.

Great catch though, as it definitely looked like it could've been illegal.

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Re: Week 2 Open Discussion Thread
by shake n bake :: Tue, 09/22/2009 - 12:51am

The Colts averaged 10 yards and over 3/4th of a point per offensive snap.

It's not the size of the T.O.P. it's how you use it.

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Re: Week 2 Open Discussion Thread
by mmf1996 :: Thu, 09/24/2009 - 2:33pm

anyone NOT worried bout forte? he played 2 consecutive 3-4 defenses (just think 1980's giants) and the 3-4 is built around run stuffing, plus his lack of catches is because the bears O-Line sucks so he has to pass block. so sick and tired of the "what happened to forte" crap i hear on the radio. let him play a non 3-4 defense (or at least a bad one) before we start clamoring for benson.

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Re: Week 2 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Thu, 09/24/2009 - 2:42pm

I'm a little worried, but I'm very worried about the Bears run blocking. They've opened one hole in 2 games.

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