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23 Sep 2010

Week 3 Open Discussion Thread

Talk about all the Week 3 action live here.

Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 23 Sep 2010

271 replies , Last at 28 Sep 2010, 9:14pm by tuluse

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 1:07pm

This may be important later: 1:30 into the game and Atlanta challenges an incomplete pass.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 1:08pm

C John Sullivan is down for the Vikings on their first offensive play. If the backup is even worse, [Vikings QB] may retire by halftime.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 1:12pm

Falcons lose the challenge, Lance Moore nearly takes the punt back for a TD, which the Saints wind up getting anyway. Ouch.

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by Mr Shush :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 1:19pm

Wow. Wade Phillips really, really doesn't trust Buehler. 4th and 2, and they go for it, rather than attempt a 47 yard field goal. Romo throws inomplete as Witten is done for OPI on Pollard.

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by Dave :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 1:21pm

Eli, that may have been the single worst play I have ever seen.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 1:23pm

Hank Baskett has his first highlight as a Viking: An end-around by Harvin for a first down is called back on his holding penalty.

Admittedly, it didn't look like a hold.

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by Mr Shush :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 1:25pm

Matt Turk doesn't have much of a leg any more, so if he's going to keep booting them into the endzone from midfield the way he has so far this year he probably shouldn't be on an NFL roster.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 1:25pm

The Vikings have 30 yards of penalties in the first nine minutes of the game.

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by Mr Shush :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 1:28pm

Martellus Bennett hurt fighting unsuccessfully to get to the marker on third down.

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by James-London :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 1:31pm

Just tunedd in to Falcons/Saints. Saints can't cover Gonzalez and a flea-flicker just went got picked. Falcons then go three & out after the pick so no-harm done

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by Dave :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 1:33pm

I think Flacco is hurt. There's got to be a reason he won't step into his throws. Nice touch on the TD to Boldin, but ugly motion. He didn't used to do that.

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by James-London :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 1:37pm

Brees to Moore scorches the Falcons- 80yd TD

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by Mr Shush :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 1:39pm

3rd and 19 at midfield, give-up draw. Arian Foster breaks it for a first down. I love this guy.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 1:42pm

Percy Harvin has left the field. Didn't look like anything major and he jogged off on his own, but something was obviously wrong.

Then Adrian Peterson should have had a 3 yard loss and ended up gaining 17, and it's tough to fault the Lions for it.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 1:46pm

He made it back on the field to score a TD that [Vikings QB] overthrew by quite a bit. Bad coverage and a good catch.

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by Mr Shush :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 1:45pm

Drive stalls at go-to-goal, not helped by a false start which is Rashad Butler's first real mistake so far. Rackers kicks the chip-shot.

Foster is going to have an awful receiving DYAR, and it's not his fault. Slaton is going to have an awful rushing DYAR, and it at least partly is his.

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by Dave :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 1:46pm

Can't Cover Brown strikes again. Poor Lions fans.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 1:53pm

Drew Brees evades two shoelace tackles to avoid getting sacked, then pitches to the ball to Thomas DeCoud as he's falling down. In case you didn't know, Thomas DeCoud plays safety for the Falcons.

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by James-London :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 1:53pm

Wow. Brees channels his 'inner Farve'. Under pressure and scrambling, as he's pulled down he underarms a pass to a Falcon.

Billick thinks Bress "would like that one back". Ya think?

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 1:59pm

Anybody watching Pit@TB? I'm curious whether Batch is looking good or the TB defense is looking bad.

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by troycapitated p... :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:02pm

Only listening, but here's what I heard. First TD, coverage was close, but defenders didn't see the ball.

2nd TD, was tipped by defender, but pulled in for a TD anyway.

Possibly a lot of luck involved both times. Batch did impress with a nice scamper for a first down on the intervening TD drive where Mendenhall scored.

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by Calig23 :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:02pm

A little of both, I'd say. The second TD to Wallace was actually tipped by the defender, but Wallace caught it anyways. On the first one, the defender never turned around.

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by Dave :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:05pm

I think I saw a highlight of the first one, it was very underthrown, but a good play by Wallace (and the DB helped by not looking).

Mostly I think it's just that Tampa isn't actually any good.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:06pm

Thanks for the responses.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:07pm

2nd one Batch read well, Wallace was really open, but he underthrew it badly, nice play by wallace to adjust on the tip and haul it in.

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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:06pm

The wife is a huge PIT fan and we live on the East Florida coast, well out of the local Tampa Bay broadcast area and we are blacked out. FOX is playing some Denzel Washington movie where he sports a bad Jamaican accent. Blacked out on network and DirecTV, but we are getting highlights on RedZone. The web site lists the game as on, but call support says the game is even blacked out in Mobile.

Anyway, every highlight shows Batch having a whole bull ride to throw. He has taken advantage. The O-line got it on today. On an related note, I started Schaub, Walter and Daniels today. Will someone please tell HOU the lockout is not until next year?

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by Semigruntled Eagles fan (not verified) :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 8:49pm

As the Steelers were the away team, the game would have been broadcast on CBS, not Fox.

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by B :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:04pm

So it's Shark Week on CSI: Las Vegas? They do know that Vegas is land-locked, right?

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:11pm

It's also not in Africa but that doesn't mean no one has ever gotten their face eaten by a lion.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:05pm

Wow, Woodley got MUGGED on that rush, no flag.

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:07pm

Falcons go for it on 4th down twice in this drive. And make it. I love it.

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by James-London :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:08pm

Falcons convert two 4th downs inside the 20, and now have 1st & goal. Ballsy coaching

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by Mr Shush :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:11pm

Joel Dreessen can't block DeMarcus Ware. Whoulda thunk?

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by lloyd :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:15pm

Disgruntled Jamaal Charles owner here...

Clearly KC doesn't want him. How about they offer him to the Packers for a 2nd rounder?

Whatever the motivation is for giving him 1/3 or less of the team's carries, it's apparently more important than putting the best 11 guys on the field.

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by kcwatcher (not verified) :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:49pm

Motivation might be that it's not wise to give a 188 lb. back 320 carries.

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by thefatlady1990 (not verified) :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 8:07pm

188 pounds? Nice lie. He's 5'11", 200 pounds, or exactly the same size as Chris Johnson, who was given 32 carries. Todd Haley is an idiot, pure and simple.

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by Jovins :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 9:37pm

Not to defend the decision by Todd Haley, but they've won all three games they've played.

You really can't complain about his coaching ability at this point; he's done what he's paid to do.

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by gnicholas :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 8:03pm

That's not good logic, just because a team has happened to win its first three games does not mean it is as good as it could be. People could have said the same thing about McDaniels through the same timeframe of the season last year.

Most teams success, or lack thereof, can be attributed to their players, not coaches, but Haley not playing the far superior player is a clear example of a coach hurting their team.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:19pm

TB is who we thought they were ......

Fitzpatrick was short !

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by lk6 (not verified) :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:19pm

Misleading stats:

Charlie Batch, 11/14 177 yds 3 TDs 1 INT

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:22pm

LMAO @ the bungholes !

straight out of the andy reid clock school

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by Mr Shush :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:25pm

Sooner or later, an offensive co-ordinator is going to figure out that the way to beat the Texans is to throw on every single down, mostly at whoever Kareem Jackson is covering, before the match, instead of part way through it. That team will probably set the all time single game passing record. Maybe you can run on the Texans, but probably you can't, and even if you could there wouldn't be any point. Any top free safety prospects in the 2011 draft class?

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by B :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:26pm

I think the Bills got away with something there. They called a timeout after the 4th and inches measurement, and tried to draw the Patriots offsides, calling a second timeout before the play clock expired. That means the Bills called back to back timeouts, which I thought was against the rules.

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by Mr Shush :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:27pm

Yup, that's Favre.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:28pm

This will surprise no Broncos fans, but Alphonso Smith's interception was the result of a tipped ball, not good coverage. He did make a nice grab, though.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:30pm

Panthers 1st half --- 50 yards of offense.
:o

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by Dave :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:31pm

Sometimes I wonder if the Lions are actually trying to lose on purpose.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:43pm

When the refs aren't screwing them...

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:31pm

Johnston and Albert may have just set the broadcast record for number of times saying "take a shot" in one minute.

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by nat :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:36pm

Weird officiating moment in Patriots-Bills. After a near first down, the Bills call a timeout. The booth reviews the play and rules it short of the first down. The Bills line up to go for it on fourth down, try to draw the Pats offsides, and call a second timeout in a row.

No penalty is given, and the Bills get a new clock to kick a field goal. Weird. Weird. Weird. Does a booth review negate the no two timeouts in a row rule?

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by B :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:42pm

I think the refs missed one, and it's why BB was mad about something after the timeout was called.

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by Eddo :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:46pm

It could be that the booth review negated the first timeout, so only one was used by the Bills. I've seen that happen before.

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by B :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:50pm

No, that can't be. After the review ended, the refs asked the Bills coach if he wanted to call a timeout, otherwise the clock would have started.

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by nat :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:39pm

Even weirder. The NFL play-by-play says "bills attempted to call a timeout". Attempted, hell, they got it.

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by Dave :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:45pm

Interesting play in New York. Eli airmails a bad deep ball but it's caught anyway by Manningham. Play called back for a chop block on Bradshaw, which looked a lot like every RB block I've ever seen. Nobody noticed that Ohara was blocking the guy at the time by grabbing his face mask, though.

Either way, penalty was in the end zone, so it's a safety. 12-10 Titans.

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by dmb :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:51pm

Yes, backs go low pretty frequently, but it's a penalty if another player has the defender engaged above the waist. In this case, it happened to be the Giants' C (I don't think it was O'Hara -- I'm pretty sure he was out for the game) "engaging" the defender by the facemask. So if it weren't for the facemask, it wouldn't have been an illegal play by Bradshaw. (That said, the facemask should've also been called ... not that it would make a difference.)

Also, the number 15-yard penalties on the Giants has been overwhelming.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:46pm

Two can play at this: 4th and 2 for the Saints at the ATL 32 yard line, Saints try for it... and fumble it away.

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by Mr Shush :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:46pm

Seems like damn near every drive in this game, by both teams, has stalled just outside scoring range.

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by Eddo :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:48pm

Which game? Texans-Cowboys?

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by Mr Shush :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:51pm

Indeed.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:48pm

Ahmad Bradshaw helps the Titans out with a clipping block that results in a safety.

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by dmb :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:53pm

See my post above -- it was a chop block, and the mistake was really on the center. It looked like the rusher was coming free, so Bradshaw made a good play by picking him up. It's just that the center was grabbed the rusher back by his facemask as Bradshaw went to make the block.

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by James-London :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:49pm

Oh I've missed Nick Halling:

"What make Ben Roethlisberger a great QB is that he's won 2 Superbowls, even though he did nothing in one of them".

You can't buy insight like that

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:55pm

What's sad is that even though ATL@NO is likely to be a much more exciting game, I guarantee I'll enjoy NYJ@MIA far more purely due to the studio team fronting the coverage. When a studio team is capable of making an exciting game cringeworthy, it's time to change the studio team.

Having said that, at least they haven't brought back Johnnie Mitchell. Yet.

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by kamchatka (not verified) :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 8:27am

Do let's play the game where we compare Nick Halling's level of insight to Kevin Cadle's.

Personally, even though his analysis might be simplistic at times, I love that Halling feels free to rip bad players apart in a way you never hear happen in the US.

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by Mr Shush :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:49pm

Aaaargh! Eugene Wilson! You have to catch that.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:51pm

Ziggy, that's your chance to KILL the QB, moron.

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by James-London :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:51pm

And NO will attempt to cover Gonzalez at some point I'm sure....

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:55pm

Billick points out that they keep covering him with a LB or S, but doesn't mention that if they bring in a CB to cover him the Falcons will probably just take advantage of that and run it.

Snelling with maybe a fumble on the NO 1 yard line. This game is goooooood.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:53pm

Snelling = JABRONI . , although he was down ...

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by Dave :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:54pm

The Giants are doing a decent job on Johnson so far. 10 runs gaining 1 or less.

-2 4 6 -2 1 3 12 3 6 6 2 1 1 1 6 8 -2 0 0 1

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:55pm

HOCHULI WTF .....

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:59pm

seriously, what was that inexcusable call ?

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:01pm

None of us know. Any chance of a description of what happened instead of just LMAO WTF?

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by Dave :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:22pm

Speaking of Hochuli, OPI on Harvin and illegal use of hands on the Lions, then a personal foul on the lions... and it all offsets? How can that be?

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:26pm

If one team commits a penalty and the other team commits one or more penalties, it offsets each other, regardless of who had the most penalties.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 8:06pm

I thought personal fouls were a tie breaker, although if both teams have personal fouls it probably goes back to offsetting.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:57pm

LMAO @ the 49ers.
holy shit.
pathetic.

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:02pm

"We will not TRY to go 0-3. We WILL go 0-3."

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by hbh_uk :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 9:18am

I'm catching up on this thread rather late, but this gag is noteworthy even now. Well played.

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by Mr Shush :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:57pm

Johnson stumbles a little on a deep ball, leading to a pick by Jenkins. Fuckbeans.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 2:58pm

Snelling fumble overturned, but now Atlanta is out of challenges.

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by Harris :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:00pm

Bradshaw fumbles inside the 5 to piss away a really good drive. PF on Diehl gives the Titans 15 cheap yards. Thank you for being you, New York.

Hail Hydra!

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by Just Another Falcons Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:04pm

Falcons settle for a field goal after losing 3 yards on 2 runs.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:05pm

hillis running wild ....

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:07pm

Roy Williams catches a touchdown pass; Cowboys congratulate Romo for shutting him up for the game.

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by James-London :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:11pm

Bizzaro time in the Superdome. Falcons force a pun, the returner calls fair catch and stays away from the bouncing ball, which hits another Falcon (who had his back to it). Called Falcons ball, but the Saints are challenging, and may well win it. This is a break for the Saints

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:14pm

The PR stayed away from it because he was forced out of the way. Weird turn of events, but the refs eventually got it right.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:15pm

Heads up play by Graham too. Not sure he's established in bounds because he's bobbling the ball, laterals it to a guy who definitely -is- in bounds who then makes yet another good catch. A perfect illustration of how luck and skill aren't mutually exclusive when it comes to forcing turnovers.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:13pm

While I don't profess to know everything head coaches look for or see in a football player, I still don't understand what is that Troy Smith and Nate Davis don't have that Alex Smith does. Seriously, the Alex Smith Era ran its course since Norv Turner got hired by San Diego.

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by James-London :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:13pm

Saints win their challenge. Big call.

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by James-London :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:17pm

5 plays later, TD Saints

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by Just Another Falcons Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:13pm

Saints challenge that ball hits DeCoud's foot on a punt and win the recovery at the 42

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:13pm

Harrison beast mode tackle intimidates Bucs player into losing ball to Keisel for TD .

LMAO .

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by Yaxley :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:14pm

Charlie Batch has so much sunscreen on his nose that he looks like he's about to go be a lifeguard in the 1950s.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:15pm

Giants are imploding. Badly.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:16pm

nice TO by Kubiak, that was a terrible play call.

KC blowing SF up. THEY ARENT WHO WE THOUGHT THEY ARE.

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:23pm

New England, we officially have a problem. As if Sanchez shredding the secondary last week wasn't bad enough, today it's Ryan Fitzpatrick's turn. Huge drive for Buffalo here.

Edit: Interception by Patrick Chung ends the drive, to a collective sigh of relief in Gillette Stadium.

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by B :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:23pm

Fortunately Fitzpatrick returns to form and throws a beautiful pass to a patriots db, who's smart enough to catch it, although trying to run out of the end zone looked like a mistake to me.

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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:19pm

Clear PI against DAL after two runs for -3 by Foster...offset by a holding call. And another run...that is narrowly avoided by a fortuitous timeout.

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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:22pm

And then a sack for loss. That is the Houston Texans we know!

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:19pm

HOU blitz pickup schemes LOL. ....

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:20pm

There are shoving matches, late hits, and shouting matches at the end of every play of Det@Min right now. Getting very ugly.

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by Dave :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:21pm

Same in the Giants game. It's like they're the 06 Giants all over again. Personal foul every other damn play.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:22pm

Michael Oher being a POS again, besides his persistent uncalled false starts ?
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Re: Week 3 Open Discussion Thread
by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:23pm

Falcons need a 1st down? Just throw it to Gonzalez. Saints have no answer for him.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:26pm

We need ripaway jerseys again!

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by Mr Shush :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:27pm

Texans run defense doing a good job against the regular handoffs, but struggling on the delays all game long.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:29pm

For the first time all game, [Vikings QB] throws a downfield pass on target, to Hank Baskett, and yet he loses the ball and C.C. Brown knocks it away.

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by James-London :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:31pm

C.C brown with a pass defensed? Can you prove that assertion?

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:32pm

Well, Baskett had already lost the ball, so I don't think it counts as a pass defensed. He might have had a second chance at the ball if Brown were not there, though.

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by Dave :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:37pm

On target? It was at least 5 yards underthrown.

Rest assured, folks, CC wasn't covering him at all. He was nowhere near him until Baskett had to slow down.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:30pm

Another great drive by the Falcons, as Ryan hits White for two big catches, one of which is a TD. 24-21 Atlanta.

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by James-London :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:30pm

Ryan to White-TD. We have a shootout in New Orleans

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by Just Another Falcons Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:30pm

Ryan to White x2 for 50 yards and a TD!

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:31pm

You know your pass defense is bad when Roy Williams is having career games against you.

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by Mr Shush :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:32pm

Kareem Jackson is not ready to be a starting corner in the NFL. This was obvious in the first two games (though Garcon did a good job of hiding it in Week 1) and it's been even more obvious today.

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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:38pm

McKenzie pulled and Shaun Andrews see action at RT! NYG promptly turns the ball over on downs.

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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:40pm

Is the third week of the season to early to use the word "implosion?"

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:46pm

Maybe. In the meantime, see post #83.

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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:55pm

Well then, you can just look at my post as a confirmation.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 8:20pm

Mike Carlson just said it looks like they're imploding. That makes it official.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:47pm

I'll make a deal with FOX: You can show more Glee commercials, sickening as the thought is, if you stop showing Iron Man 2 commercials.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:47pm

On the Saints 32, up 3, Falcons go for it on 4th and don't make it. Mike Smith is a gambling man today.

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by B :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:47pm

Wow. Surprise on-sides kick by the Bills with 4 minutes left. They didn't recover, it though, but an awesome, ballsy play, with a 15 yard penalty they had on the touchdown, too.

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by James-London :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:48pm

4th down at the NO 37, Atlanta go for it on 4th down and fail. Interestingly, they threw to Gonzalez and for the first time all night the Saints have a CB (Greer) in coverage.

3 minutes left and the Saints have the ball near midfield down 3.

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:49pm

Ugh. How the heck does a CENTER get flagged for a false start? Thanks, Dan.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:51pm

Six yard gain for the Patriots...

...on second and THIRTY-TWO.

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by James-London :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:52pm

Awesome. Please explain...

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:57pm

It goes a little something like this:

1-10 - False start on Dan Koppen
1-15 - Tom Brady sacked by Williams for a loss of 7
2-22 - OPI on Aaron Hernandez negates a completion to Welker

Results in second and 32.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:53pm

Hard to believe that the same 49ers team that played a close game with the Saints are the same 49ers that are making Matt Cassel look like a professional quarterback.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:55pm

Saints go for it on 4th and 1 on the Falcon's 47, and make it. This is quite the game.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:57pm

Pierre Thomas is hurt, and it looks bad. Saints about to attempt a game tying FG.

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by James-London :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 4:00pm

Thomas walks off, but it looked bad at first blush

FG Saints and barring KO wackiness we've got OT

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by Dan :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 3:59pm

Giants' drives by length:
84 fumble
81 int
77 end of game
63 td
49 missed fg
45 downs
38 fg
24 downs
19 int
16 missed fg
-1 safety

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 4:04pm

Get your Juicy Fruit ready. Overtime in New Orleans.

Atlanta gets the ball to start.

An onsides kick would be awesome. I can see Payton doing it.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 4:07pm

One the first play of OT, Ryan throws the ball all the way down the freaking field and just overthrows Harry Douglas. Love the aggression.

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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 4:14pm

Eagles game blacked out as well. Awesome. Three hours from Tampa, three hours from Jacksonville, no football for anyone. Thank you, NFL.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 4:16pm

Hartley misses the FG. Wow.

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by James-London :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 4:16pm

GaRrrett Hartley just got himself fired. 29yd FG to win, and he misses wide left

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by B :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 4:16pm

And he misses it! Wow, that was a bad kick by NO.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 4:19pm

Cardinals score on the opening kick-off. The Black Hole strikes again.

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by Rhys :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 4:21pm

That's why you really shouldn't be so cowardly as to kick field goals on first and 10 with no time pressure. I suppose even two low risk running plays can cause a fumble, but you're really just asking to shank a 30 yarder kicking on first and 10 like that.

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by Marko :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 4:44pm

My problem isn't so much with kicking on first down as it is not taking the opportunity to move the ball to the center of the field. He shanked the kick left because he was kicking from the right hashmark. If you want to kick the field goal on an early down, why not have Brees take the snap, move a few yards left to the center of the field, and take a knee there? Then the kick can go straight down the middle.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 4:29pm

Atlanta won a fucking CLOSE one.

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by James-London :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 4:34pm

Fun sequence in St Louis. Rams block a punt and recover deep in Washington territory-very next play Sam Bradford badly overthrows his (open) man and the 'Skins have the pick.

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by Stabs :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 4:38pm

The Fitzgerald-Asomugha battle is going to be fun to watch

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 4:59pm

As opposed to the Anderson - rest of the Oakland defense "battle".

Fitzgerald and Asomugha are probably set up for an afternoon exchanging shared experiences of being the sole star left on a doomed unit.

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by Stabs :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 5:09pm

Sigh, I wish I could say you were wrong...

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by Stabs :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 5:06pm

Apparently the Cardinals' plan is to draw PI calls all the way down the field and then kick Field Goals. I need more beer.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 5:20pm

That's a winning game plan against the Raiders and it doesn't give opponents anything extra on tape to study, so it's like a double win.

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by electricmayhem :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 5:23pm

Wow the officials in Jacksonville are blind. Two back to back AWFUL spots on 3rd and 4th with the Eagles. 3rd down spot was debatable but the 4th down spot was absolutely horrible.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 5:27pm

Broncos go for it on 4th and goal from the 1. They don't make it.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 5:33pm

Since McDaniels did it, this is sure to be considered the dumbest coaching decision of the week.

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by Stabs :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 5:41pm

Derek Anderson panics and laser-shovels the ball at Hightower's face, tip, interception, why God why?

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by Stabs :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 5:48pm

...which leads to McFadden (McFadden!!) absolutely shredding the Cards' D, touchdown Raiders

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 5:50pm

It's Derek Anderson. That's his thing. You just gotta let him do his thing.

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by Dave :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 5:53pm

Great job on that series, Seahawks.

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by B :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 5:53pm

Seattle had 3rd and goal with 10 seconds left and no timeouts. Hasslebeck tries a QB sneak, and is stuffed. They can't get the field goal attempt off before time expires.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 5:55pm

Do you suppose Pete Carroll said, "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here?"

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by Another Sean_C :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:02pm

I'm thinking he forgot he's in the NFL now, and you don't get a clock stoppage for a first down.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:04pm

The clock stops for a first down in college?

That just seems odd.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:06pm

Only until the ball is set, then it runs. It's more accurate to say it pauses on a first down, but we always say it stops.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:08pm

Okay. Still seems like an odd rule to me, but maybe it's just me.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:14pm

I agree it's strange. I don't know why that rule exists, but it does makes close games a little more fun. There's a few less spiked balls and a few more actual plays, which is never a bad thing.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 8:13pm

I would guess the reasoning is that the offense can't do anything until the ball is set, so they shouldn't lose the time it takes to set it.

College also has a shorter play clock, so it might be harder to get setup in time.

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by Another Sean_C :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 8:29pm

It only applies when a team makes a first down, so perhaps the rationale is to let the chain gang reset the chains without using up game time.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:01pm

Ah, the Les Miles school of clock management.

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by Dave :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 5:56pm

So much for that Rams lead.

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by Jonadan :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:07pm

You know your team has problems when you can't capitalize on being spotted 14 points to start a game.

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by Another Sean_C :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:08pm

And a big return for Leon Washington!

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:10pm

Seattle gets a touchdown with Washington. That's how you put your foot in the ass of the Chargers.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:18pm

David Garrard is no longer my favorite quarterback. Asante Samuel owned him on that interception.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:22pm

Vick has 3 passing TDs, which won't stop the haters. He's also 13-26, but that won't stop the supporters. Sigh.

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by Dave :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:24pm

That about sums it up.

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by t.d. :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:31pm

Over-dependence on completion percentage is a weakness of passer rating (compared to YPA, IMO), but I bet his VOA will be decent. The Jags do truly suck at pass defense, though

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by Dave :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:28pm

In Denver, the Broncos have been dropping basically their entire team into coverage. On one play, they had 3 guys in the box, one of whom only faked a rush... and G Jamey Richard got called for holding.

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by BJR :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:36pm

And the Colts are still absolutely unable to run the ball.

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by mvhuber :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:32pm

The exception to that is rule is when they play the Giants, who made them look like the 1983 Redskins.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:31pm

The Michael Vick Experience has returned to primetime television.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:42pm

Can someone explain to me what business does Brandon Lloyd have getting 180+ yards against Indy?

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by CheeseHead :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:48pm

Orton has ALL DAY to pick out a receiver...it's amazing...

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:48pm

No explanation could properly describe the absurdity of Gradkowski's fumble. It does lead to a three-and-out, where the Cards kindy fumble the punt return.

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by Stabs :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:49pm

wow, the Cardinals punt return unit is really trying to lose this game

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by Dave :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:49pm

I think I just saw a -9 yard pass play for Oakland out of the corner of my eye. Why catch that ball?

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by James-London :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:51pm

Rams looking like they might get out of their own way...

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by CheeseHead :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:53pm

Is McNabb taking a personal holiday? Rams are leading and all Washington can do is punt.

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by Another Sean_C :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:59pm

Seahawks in the red zone after an Earl Thomas INT return ... a TD here is a must - their defense is really getting shoved around at this point.

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by CheeseHead :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 6:59pm

Reggie Wayne's gettin' no love, today. Damn Champ Bailey...

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by Dave :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:03pm

Plenty for Collie though. Two picture perfect passes to him, one on 3rd and 15, and I've now seen 3 of the best passes in recent memory all in this game.

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by Another Sean_C :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:38pm

Collie exceeded his KUBIAK projection in just this one game.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:07pm

The good news for Indy is they've stopped the run well. The bad news is Kyle Orton has over 400 yards.

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by James-London :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:10pm

Under pressure McNabb throws a pick, and barring something WTF, that's your ballgame. Rams win.

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by CheeseHead :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:10pm

McNabb is intercepted and my fantasy week is going down the tubes...

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by Jonadan :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:18pm

I'm in a weird league that's got 2QB and an any-offensive-position flex. This week, my flex was Gradkowski and he's outscored my starters Schaub and McNabb. (I'm losing, wonder why...) I'm not happy. On the other hand, Raiders winning is more fun than Raiders sucking, and I've called the Cards to lose... so I guess I'll take it if they come through again.

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by CheeseHead :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:12pm

Who do you like LEAST for the remainder of the season? M.Wallace, S.Breaston, or M.Williams (TB)??? Thanks...

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by Another Sean_C :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:18pm

Leon Washington AGIAN!!!

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by Another Sean_C :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:21pm

And with 6 minutes, San Diego will most likely tie the game....Seahawks D looks done-in.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:19pm

Did the Chargers hire the Steelers ST coach in the offseason?

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:21pm

I can't WAIT to see San Diego's special teams DVOA.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:20pm

Leon Washington, Dexter McCluster, Javier Arenas... Suffice to say, San Diego's special teams are not up to par at this moment.

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by Insancipitory :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 4:50am

Golden Tate almost broke another one for a touchdown too. At least we few Seahawks fans can take solace in the special teams. And Earl Thomas too maybe.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:23pm

Orton did have the second-highest passing yardage total in Broncos history today. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/yAyby

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by mvhuber :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:26pm

Somewhere Matt Leinart is smiling...

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by Jonadan :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:32pm

And a PI on the Cardinals looks like it should give the Raiders the game. I say "looks like" because it's the Raiders.

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by Sidewards :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:36pm

Then SeaBass misses the FG. Game.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:36pm

Good call, Janikowski misses the thirty-something yard field goal. The Black Hole never dies.

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by Jonadan :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:37pm

And in retrospect, I'm glad I qualified that.

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by mvhuber :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:48pm

Great call. Raiders piss away the chance to win. Just lose baby.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 8:18pm

Commitment to Excellence

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by Stabs :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:35pm

and Sebastian "Finkle" Janikowski lets us eke out a win

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:43pm

Rivers seemed to throw the ball away from inside the pocket. The officials conferenced to discuss whether or not it was intentional grounding and Rivers stood and watched. The play clock continued to run. The Chargers then took a delay of game penalty.

Should the play clock have been running? I really have no idea what the rule is. Either way, it seems that Rivers should have seen the cock ticking down.

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by Big Johnson :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:53pm

Thats the sole reason why i just went onto this blog. Does that mean that in the future if the refs are explaining a call that the offense can hike it without the officials paying attention? What if the ref talks for 25 seconds, is it an automatic delay of game?

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by Big Johnson :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 11:52pm

If this play happened to Dallas, the patriots, the colts, the steelers, the ravens, the titans, etc... it would be all over everything. I still dont know the rule for sure but i know that the refs got this one wrong. I cant believe they would let the play clock run during the refs explanation of the call. Oh well, chargers get fucked by the refs again. Nothing new.

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by Semigruntled Eagles fan (not verified) :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 12:18am

Rivers was in the pocket, under pressure, and threw the ball to an area where there was no eligible receiver within 20 yds of the pass; intentional grounding should have been called. So the Chargers got off easy on that play. On the other hand, it is true that the refs generally reset the playclock when they've delayed a snap for a conference/announcement (although I don't know if there is a specific protocol spelled out for such situations, you can often hear the ref asking for the game and/or playclock to be reset). The net result of the officiating mistakes was that the Chargers received half the penalty yards they should have, and their fans should be furious at the special teams coach, not the refs.

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by Big Johnson :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 1:10am

So if the refs miss a call they can create a delay of game penalty for the other team? That seems extremely shady. While i agree that it should have been intentional grounding, that doesnt mean the refs can talk for 20 seconds and allow the chargers 5 seconds to call a play, get set, and hike it (all with no timeouts) so that they can have a make up call. This is the first time ive seen the refs change the rules because they missed another call.

btw the penalty yards were 83 - 32. As if the officiating was fair before they decided to cheat the chargers into a delay of game.

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by Semigruntled Eagles fan (not verified) :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 2:25am

It is true that one blown call shouldn't lead to another. Nevertheless, my point was that the refs made two mistakes on the play, which, in the end, seemed to work out more in San Diego's favor than Seattle's (3rd and 20 vs 3rd and 15, with no difference in the amount of time remaining in the game). I only saw the last few minutes after the Colts-Broncos game ended, so I can't comment on the officiating earlier in the game - but the error at the end of the game doesn't seem worth getting worked up about. Regardless of whether the situation should have been 3rd and 10, 3rd and 15, or 3rd and 20, the Chargers still had two chances to convert or score, and failed.

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by Big Johnson :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 4:37am

5 yards at the goal line is very important. The intentional grounding is something the players do and should be penalized for because they violated the rules. Creating a delay of game for a team is absurd and shows the corruption that a ref crew can have. Had this game been in san diego the play clock wouldnt have been running. Huchuli is still haunting us.

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by Andrew Potter :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 4:59am

It shows corruption? Really? It couldn't possibly have just been a mistake?

I agree that it sounds absurd, but corruption and incompetence are different things entirely.

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by Big Johnson :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 11:16am

Except that wasnt a mistake. It was their way of evening out the calls. I can only imagine what other rules they can make up if they are willing to make up a forced delay of game penalty.

and is it too weird to think there can be corrupt intentions by referees?

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by Another Sean_C :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 7:44pm

Someone alert the emergency wards in Seattle for a rash of gunshot wounds to the feet of out of state visitors....

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 8:28pm

What a deflating version of the national anthem.

And so clearly lip synced.

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by BJR :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 8:28pm

Has there been a worse coaching decision this week than when Cleveland punted, down 7 points at 4th & 2 on their own 30 with 4 minutes left on the clock and only one time out remaining? Needless to say, Baltimore converted the necessary two first downs to see out the clock.

What made it even more bewildering was that they had actually been moving the ball well for most of the day, whilst failing to stop the Ravens. Just mind-blowing.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 8:28pm

NBC had the Jets listed as the Jets de Nuevo York, isn't this incorrect as New York is a proper noun?

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 8:34pm

And in Spanish adjectives follow nouns.

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by Big Johnson :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 9:03pm

i think thats correct. New is not decribing york so it stays in that order and de is placed in there because it shows ownership. Jets of New York.

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by Semigruntled Eagles fan (not verified) :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 9:10pm

Not always, in particular some adjectives change meaning depending upon whether or not they are placed before or after the noun. Nuevo is one of these words:

http://spanish.about.com/od/adjectives/a/adjective_placement.htm

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 10:08pm

By the way, it's actually "nueva" that NBC is using, which is how I always saw it in my Spanish classes. (And it's always been in this order, which always bugged me but I never thought to ask about.)

I had not heard of the changing meaning situation, but if this article is accurate, is the "New" in "New York" a, so to speak, newly-made York, or a newly-acquired York? Or is it something else entirely?

They're probably right, since it would be awfully strange if no one at NBC speaks Spanish.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 10:30pm

It would be a newly-made York, as compared to the "old" York in England.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 11:08pm

And that would, according to the About article, mean that it should be "York Nueva."

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by Semigruntled Eagles fan (not verified) :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 11:27pm

Taken from the article I linked previously:

"And in some cases, as with nuevo, placement can also be a matter of emphasis rather than simply of meaning."

I believe this explanation makes more sense; either that or la gente de habla español just didn't feel like adjusting the order (although the United States becomes los Estados Unidos, so...). The differing meanings for "nuevo" are more clear in the case of objects that can be purchased. Anyways, adjectives in Spanish do not always follow the noun, even in the case of adjectives whose meaning doesn't vary based on placement.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 11:44pm

Yes, that does make more sense.

And as I said before, I would have guessed that NBC would be more likely to be right than I am.

I had never before heard of adjectives coming before nouns in Spanish, but I should probably mention that I only took six years of Spanish and I have barely used it since my last course in 2004. I had been told that it was a rule and did not vary and, stupidly (and apparently wrongly as well), I accepted that.

I was wrong. I am an idiot. I should not be allowed to speak. I will not post anything about anyone's use of Spanish ever again, which will surely allow all discussion to proceed far more intelligently.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 9:04pm

The Dolphins may want to think about covering Dustin Keller. Just a thought.

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by Dred :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 9:12pm

Cover that Keller fellow, you say? Interesting notion

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by Jonadan :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 9:28pm

I really didn't like that last PI call to set up the TD. To me it looked like the defender ran into the receiver *because* he was looking back for the ball, and I'm pretty sure he got a hand on it too.

Oh well.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 9:33pm

I'm not sure I even know what is and isn't pass interference any more. I've given up trying to figure it out. The only exception to that rule is Darius Butler - if he's in coverage, it's probably pass interference.

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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 9:37pm

Lousaka Polite is the new Leroy Hoard.

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by Jonadan :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 10:22pm

Did the Dolphins just put up more on the Jets than the Patriots managed to? I am confused.

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by Jonadan :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 10:27pm

Also, anybody identify the music on the commercial on ESPN America there? That was pretty cool.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 10:39pm

shotgun draw there would have walked it in.

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by batbatt :: Sun, 09/26/2010 - 10:59pm

good lord. how can the Jets walk around after shooting themselves in the foot so many times?

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by tuluse :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 6:12pm

I just want to say this is the most excited I've been for a Bears game since the 06 post season.

I have no idea how it will turn out, and I have a feeling it will reveal the Bears as either legit or just smoke and mirrors for the 1st two weeks.

Also, I'm loving the Martz/Tice coaching combo so far, so thanks to the Lions and 49ers for firing Martz.

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by Andrew Potter :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 10:48pm

Lovie Smith hasn't always been this aggressive, has he?

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by batbatt :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 11:11pm

Nice TD run by Rodgers there

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by Andrew Potter :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 11:33pm

2:05 to go...

Worst. Holding call. Ever.

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by batbatt :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 11:37pm

I still can't believe mccarthy challenged that fumble. you don't think you'll need that timeout, mike?

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by batbatt :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 11:41pm

ok. they should have just let chicago score about a minute ago.

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by tuluse :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 11:51pm

17 penalties, wow.

The Packers couldn't stop killing themselves this game. I'm curious to see what the DVOA looks like.

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by Arkaein :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 12:13am

Considering that GB had more first downs, fewer normalized turnovers (Rodgers' Hail Mary INT thrown out, one fumble by each team although Chicago recovered both), and taking into account home field advantage and the fact that DVOA basically ignores penalties, I'm guessing GB will have a very high offensive DVOA, pretty good defensive DVOA, and horrible special teams, with a sizeable overall advantage.

GB had drives of 60 (TD), 6 (punt), 73 (FG), 19 (punt), end of half hail mary, 61 (blocked FG), 4 (punt), 72 (TD), 12 (fumble).

They only had 8 complete drives because they held the ball so long, and Chicago managed 8 by essentially finishing each half with a score that left GB without enough time to respond.

The missed FG drive actually had 25 yards across 3 penalties against GB, meaning GB's offense actually gained 86 yards on plays that counted. The field position killed GB's offense as much as the penalties did, since you normally expect more than 3 total points out of 73 and 61 yard drives.

I really hate it when the Packers play in Soldier field. It seems Chicago manages to pull games out of their asses against GB too often in cases where they are otherwise outplayed. 2 Cutler INTs nullified by unnecessary penalties. 2 more INTs dropped by GB defenders. An inability to come up with either fumble, even when the GB receiver fumbles it from his outside hand within a yard of the sideline. Made me feel ill.

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by tuluse :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 12:18am

That last interception probably falls incomplete without the corner holding Bennett.

Also, DVOA doesn't take into account home field advantage, so that won't affect it.

And the Bears moved the ball pretty well too, only one 3 and out the whole game. I'm pretty sure offenses are given credit for drawing pass interference, so that will help them.

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by Arkaein :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 12:46am

Are you sure that DVOA doesn't take HFA into account?

HFA is a very real, measurable phenomenon, so I don't see why DVOA wouldn't consider that if, for example, two teams play about even in a head-to-head matchup that the road team is probably better.

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by tuluse :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 12:48am

Pretty sure. Aaron said he tried to add a variable and it didn't help make it more accurate.

Also, I'm pretty sure the Packers are going to "win" DVOA from this game, but I was curious by how big a number.

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by tally :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 12:56am

I know DVOA accounts for PI penalties. It feels as if it should account for holding as well.

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by Jimmy :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 12:48pm

The Packers penalties didn't all occur in a vacuum. The holding penalties and myriad false starts mainly seemed to happen to the over matched lineman who had to try to block Peppers - this doesn't seem to be much of a coincidence. Both the interceptions that were negated by penalties were pretty much caused by the penalty that got them overturned. As for the Packers dropping possible picks, that happened to the Bears too but as the Bears won their fans aren't going to bother bringing it up. The Bears also had long drives that resulted in zero points, this stuff happens.

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by Dan :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 12:24am

A lot of those penalties were holding when the Bears (mostly Peppers) got pressure. Maybe it would've been smart to let him through and give Rodgers a chance to evade him, but then again there were also a couple that they got away with where Rodgers was able to complete it.

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by Will Allen :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 12:16am

Well, that game set back football about 40 years. This just in; all the teams in the NFC North have significant flaws. If I had to bet money on the winner, I'd guess I'd still pick the Packers. They can't possibly play as stupidly, as the did tonight, on a regular basis.

Regarding other matters, it has gotten to the point that I can't stand to have any volume on the games anymore, unless, as sometimes happens, the SAP feed gives crowd noise without the announcers. Must every positive play be described as ultimate proof that the player involved is the super-duperest, most excellent, wonderfullest, gridiron great since Amos Alonzo Stagg?

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by tuluse :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 12:21am

I this point, I only listen to Jon Gruden for entertainment. Usually unintentional. He's constantly trying to make up catch phrases and nicknames on the go and most of them are really bad. It seems like Jaws hardly talks anymore, and Tirico is just meh as a play-by-play guy.

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by DEW (not verified) :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 12:55pm

Oh, so much yes. I loved the one where Gruden was so busy trumpeting the excellence of Clay Matthews (whom, admittedly, is usually a pretty reliable guy to praise) that he missed the fact that on that play Matthews had tackled Cutler by the face mask, handing the Bears 15 and a first down.

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by tuluse :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 12:28am

Also, surprising move to bench Bowman for Jennings. I think the coaches were tired of those smoke routes not getting tackled. Jennings played rather well based on the scouting report Colt's fans gave. I'd rather see Bowman just learn to tackle though.

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by Pedro (not verified) :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 1:20am

As a neutral observer I can't see Green Bay winning a Super Bowl with Mike McCarthy as head coach. He wasted the timeout on that stupid challenge. The replay was clear that ball stayed in. And then how can you not allow Chicago to score the TD. I'd rather give Rodgers 1:30 and no timeouts to try and score a TD, then take my chances on the Kicker missing a 20 yard fg.

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 5:27am

McCarthy just continues to demonstrate what an awful clock-manager he is. The fumble was bad for their win-prob. but he made it a LOT worse by challenging the obvious call.

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by tuluse :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 5:37am

Still haven't fallen asleep yet, so I'll leave a few more thoughts.

You saw two mediocre lines, trying to protect their quarterbacks using similar game plans (throw early and throw often). On the Green Bay side, they held a lot and on the Chicago side, not as much. I would say the Packer's plan worked better, as Rodgers was much more comfortable and able to dissect the defense, and frequently get back the yards lost due to penalties. I bet Rodgers has the best DYAR this week, he was outstanding, throwing lasers all night.

I said before the season the only part of the Packers I though was above average was their passing game, I'd like to amend that now and include their ability to rush the passer. I still don't like their secondary (grabbing every receiver who beats you is not playing good football), their rushing attack (easy to say now, right?), and their run defense doesn't seem like anything special.

So, in summary: hold defensive linemen, not receivers.

I'm a little surprised how much Martz abandoned the run, outside of one awful run that got stuck in the backfield and one right at the goalline (which apparently is impossible for the Bears), Forte had 9 rushes for 36 yards, exactly 4 per carry. Cutler wasn't playing that great in stretches of this game, and few runs might have helped out, and caught the defense off guard the way both teams were attacking.

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by Will Allen :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 9:07am

One thing I heard an announcer say that actually made sense came from Esiason and Malone, while I was in the car for a few minutes. They remarked one how Rodgers was so much more fundamentally sound than Cutler, and how that really makes a difference over the course of a season or even a game.

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by Arkaein :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 11:33am

Actually, Forte ran 11 times for 29 yards and a 2.6 YPC average. Not sure what numbers you're looking at. Forte's first run was for 12 yards on 2nd and 20, followed by 6 yards on a 1st and 10. After that he ran 9 times for a net 11 yards.

The Packers stuffed the run quite effectively. Cutler's scrambles were half of the Bears rush offense.

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by tuluse :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 5:43pm

Yes, I adjusted the data, removing a run for -7 yards (as I believe that was a fluke), and the goalline run that was for 0 yards, as runs at the goalline aren't representative of runs from midfield.

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by Arkaein :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 9:05pm

If you're going to do that then you really need to do the same thing for every other running back in the league, since Forte isn't the only back who loses yards occasionally or gets goal line carries. Comparing adjusted stats to unadjusted baselines (i.e., the assumption that 4 YPC is decent) is completely misleading.

And I'd disagree that the -7 run was a fluke. It's not like Forte ran backwards, or there was a botched handoff, or a Bears lineman forgot the snap count. Matthews simply blew it up by going through 3 blockers.

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by tuluse :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 9:14pm

I'm not calling Forte's game good by any stretch. I'm simply saying the running game was working well compared to the past two games, and I was surprised to see Martz completely abandon it when Culter was looking shaky.

I wasn't trying to compare Forte to any other back, so I don't see why I would need to adjust stats for any other back in this case.

The Bears weren't operating their offense from the 1 yard line most of the time, so I removed a carry from the 1 yard line to demonstrate how the offense was operating in the middle of the field. Unless you think offenses look the same at the 1 yard line as they do at the 50. If he had managed to plunge ahead and get the score, I still would have removed it because he was only able to gain a single yard on that play, so it would have thrown off the average.

Finally, the Bears ran 15 times, and Mathews only blew up one of them for a 7 yard loss. I would call something that happens less than 7% of the time a fluke.

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Chicago's non-TD!!
by blakelock (not verified) :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 9:38am

i'm still confused about the "pocession while falling to the ground" rule. aka: "the lions non-TD rule from week 1".

so, did you see the chicago-green bay game last night? chicago's first TD (near the end of 1st half) was a pass to greg olsen. olsen jumps, catches the ball, then lands on his back and slides into the endzone. as he's lying there on the ground (~1 second after landing), a green bay defender knocks the ball out of his hand. why is this a TD??!! the receiver lost the ball before getting just like the lion receiver in week 1. i'm going crazy!

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by Jimmy :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 12:39pm

He caught the ball outside the end zone and then jumped / slid into the endzone. When the ball crosses the plane on the endzone it is a touchdown. He was then lying down in the endzone with the ball and a defender slapped it out of his hands which didn't matter as he had already scored. He didn't lose the ball as part of the process of going to the ground.

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by Jimmy :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 12:39pm

He caught the ball outside the end zone and then jumped / slid into the endzone. When the ball crosses the plane on the endzone it is a touchdown. He was then lying down in the endzone with the ball and a defender slapped it out of his hands which didn't matter as he had already scored. He didn't lose the ball as part of the process of going to the ground.

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by blakelock :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 12:53pm

you're right. i just rewatched it and he did catch it before the endzone with feet down then lunged into the endzone.

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