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30 Sep 2009
In the proper place this week ... Your Week 4 Open Discussion Thread.
Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 30 Sep 2009
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Woo woo woo, football!!
Keyshaun just called them the St. Louis Lambs on national TV. The Rams use that to help beat the Niners. Bulger on the bench!
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Please do something to get these open threads back on track, it is disheartening to see it like this when they used to be such an awesome companion to watching games. Better front page placement would help
Anyone know why Ryan Moats is getting carries for Houston?
I think Slaton was just benched for the fumble. Seems to have recovered.
At some point the Ravens will learn that touching Tom Brady is a penalty and will stop.
If by touching you mean diving at his knees, sure.
Anyone else have absolutely disgusting TV quality for Chiefs-Giants?
Do you mean because the Chiefs are playing, or is there some other quality issue with the game?
Poor broadcast quality. Keeps skipping and the picture is poor. I'm sure the Chiefs' play would be ugly too, if only I could see them...
The Ravens' bench got a 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct, apparently because Harbaugh was woofing at the ref over what he thought was a dubious illegal contact call against his defense. Don't see that too often...
I found it rather funny.
There haven't been a lot of calls going BAL's way. NE's gotten the benefit of several calls -- two roughing the passer calls on 3rd downs to keep separate (eventual) TD drives alive, and now the unspotted but called 1st down on the fake FG, that makes BAL take a challenge TO, and not get the ball. I'd be a bit pissed, too.
I'd love to see the NE fans explain those roughing calls -- from 2003-2005 all they could complain about was the emasculation of football by too many calls.
You see, there's this new rule that says a defensive player can't dive at the QB's knees, which explains the second roughing the passer call. The first one was hands to the face, the same call the Patriots defender was called on later in the game.
You see, the defender touched The Golden One with a hand, not anything more. That was such a dangerous dive at the knees.
A Colts homer bitching about a QB getting favorable treatment is pretty damned hilarious.
Oh font of wisdom, please cite the last roughing penalty against a Colts opponent.
Uh, they reviewed the play and didn't find sufficient evidence to overturn the call of a first down. It's not like the refs made him throw the red flag..
The refs never even marked the ball. They screwed up. Then, they tried to use video to spot when the player went out of bounds.
Hey, I'm not saying the Pats did anything wrong -- I'd take those calls, too. What I am saying is that Baltimore's coach had reason to be hot about the refs. And, the announcers noted during the call on the bench that they had never actually seen that call made -- unsportsmanlike on the coach for yelling at refs. Thin skin much?
Harbaugh got the penalty cause he was complaining about an illegal contact call on the Baltimore defense. And the replay clearly showed there was contact and the call was correct.
Edit: You're right that the refs screwed up on the illegal shift penalty, but (I'm assuming that an illegal shift is the same as illegal motion), the play should have been blown dead at that point. The pass never happened, and the Ravens wouldn't have gotten a chance to decline the penalty, as there was no play. It's the same thing as a false start penalty.
An illegal shift does not stop play. The play can count if the penalty is refused. Only a false start and a defensive offsides unabated to the quarterback stop play.
And delay-of-game, encroachment, and neutral zone infraction. But your point still stands, I'm mostly certain illegal shift is a non-play-stopping penalty.
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So, who loses their starting job first, Jake Delhomme or Jason Campbell? I'm betting on Campbell, cause Zorn needs to do something to save his job.
I would bet Campbell, too. He may be losing his by tomorrow morning.
After the first game, Delhomme hasn't made a mistake. He has three interceptions, but all three are on the receivers. He has thrown some beautiful passes in the interim. Who else are they going to start?
After the first game, Delhomme hasn't made a mistake.
This might be the craziest assertion I've ever heard.
I hope Harbaugh wasn't planning on needing that timeout later...looked like a clear catch to me.
Why would you need a timeout in the 4th quarter of a close game?
My guess is that he's challenging the spot. It's Ravens ball if the fake didn't get the first down.
Seneca Wallace .... 33 for 45, 1 TD ... begs the question ... what is the record for most completions with no or only 1 TD in a game
Rich Gannon, 43.
Second on that list is even more impressive. Warren Moon: 41 Completions, for 432 yards, zero touchdowns.
For those of us without TV (and with an intense desire to see the Patriots lose), someone please post when Ravens succeed or fail.
Ach, looks like they blew it.
Fourth down drop to give the Patriots the win.
Manning's 4th straight game with 300 yards...that means he got over 300 against Miami? 15 minutes, 300 yards. Amazing.
20 yards a minute...seems about right.
Sure enough, his line for that game: 14/23 303 Yards 2 TDs 0 Ints.
Well the Broncos defense seems to be at least half as good as their numbers (and much more than twice as good as last years' disaster).
Still question marks about the offense seemingly starting so slowly each week. But as a fan I'd take a suspect 4-0 team over an unlucky 0-4 team... (and several years of Shanahan offenses starting fsst and then stagnating later in games at least makes this a change).
I guess this is case of DAVE having trouble due to so many changes prediction becomes a toss-up, you can only go by the fact that wholesale changes normally mean trouble.
Be interested to see what DVOA makes of this game. It seemed to be a real game of two halves.
Their defense definitely is better, but I want to know how much of today's performance can be attributed to Denver, and how much can be attributed to Dallas sucking. Dallas's offense really looked out of sorts.
Hard to tell by eye whether an offense is out-of-sorts or a defense is making it seem out of sorts. That is one of the things that most interests me about the whole advanced stats project : trying to help work out which is happening, or what proportion of the two.
I only listen on radio in the UK, so don't see much (except for the Sunday Night game), but it seems as though Denver are making good adjustments this year. Got gashed by some screens early but then changed the rush schemes and closed them down, or perhaps simply reduced the amount they blitzed and used the threat of early success in blitzing to keep Cowboys off-balance. They certainly have a valid pass rush for the first time in years, and that can cure a multitude of smaller defensive problems.
Ron Winter: is Tom Brady really so valuable to the NFL that defenses aren't allowed to, um, play football against the Patriots?
Ron Winter?!?! Wasn't it his crew who threw four flags on the Chargers' OT drive in the playoffs last year?
Pretty freakin' flag-happy, I'd say.
Man, what's going on in Pittsburgh? Nice job with San Deigo pulling off the surprise onsides kick when they're down 14 with 4+ minutes to go.
I still say that ball was uncatchable.
Is it just me, or was the clock management during the last two minutes of the SD-Pitt game massively terrible from BOTH sides? Why doesnt Pitt run on 3rd and 19 then punt with 45 seconds left instead of risking an incomplete pass?
Let Brett Favre Bowl I commence...
Not quite the Favre Bowl to start of course.
Uh, defensive taunting? Maybe shouldn't be jawing in the first 5 minutes of a game when the O is still moving down the field.
Heh, I was just about to make a comment about the obvious hold not being mentioned, and then Jaws does us proud.
And TD Favre to finish the drive.
That Jermichael Finley, he's not bad...
Well, that blitz sucked. Why was there only 1 back in that area with 2 Packers?
Uh, how do you get sacked when someone takes a 5 yard dead run at you while you are looking at him?
Okay, that catch was ridiculous.
Good, now Childress lost his chance to waste a challenge/timeout.
Ha! Nice route jump by Winfield, he looked like he was in front when Rodgers started that throw.
So they call the holding on woodson, but miss the tackle the offensive line had on the lineman...
From what I've been able to tell, holding for linemen tends be when the O man is beaten and pulling him away from the QB. Rarely gets called even if the guy is sitting on him.
...and the screeching weasels of minnesota go wild...
God, is it nice to have a QB who isn't T. Jack to make QB-like throws consistently.
Bleck. Injuries suck.
I love this Sears commercial even more in the longer version. I'm glad he's willing to make fun of himself.
Has Rodgers been holding the ball this long before this season? Especially with an injury altered O-line, I'd think they would be trying to do quick drop throws.
Wow, that was the 2nd one of those strip-6s this weekend.
Son-of-a... dammit Berrian, get on the same page as Favre soon so those throws are TDs instead of sad, full-of-potential incompletions. The Vikings had their fill of that shit when Williamson was still one of our wideouts.
seriously, why blitz favre on 3rd and long?
Okay, that pass was read the whole way. Nice catch on the int too. It was interference, but mostly just as he was passing by. The offsides thankfully would've taken it back anyway.
God, I hate Gruden as an announcer.
What specifically? I certainly like him better than Tirico or Miller (not exactly a high bar there).
His voice, his innane comments. His complet lack of having anything interesting to say, his love of QBs, best exmplified of in the Carolina game when he blamed the receiver for one of Delhomme's atrocious interceptions.
Ah. I don't mind the voice, but I'll have to pay attention for the 2nd half to what he actually says. Given the fun he had in Tampa with QBs, I'm surprised he's still a QB firster.
You know, shouldn't the announcers mention the breast cancer awareness thing once in a while? I mean, I can guess what the pink stands for and all, but the only reason I knew for sure on Sunday was the NFL Gameday guys mentioning it.
Okay, seriously. You can't give any QB infinite time in the pocket, but certainly not a competent one.
And a follow up to Berrian finally.
Ah, there's that Viking special teams I've been dreading. Annnnnnnnd, never mind. Penalty negation.
Hmm... you know, this year the Vikings run D seems more like that it should be unbeatable rather than actually being. I wonder if Pat is showing his age.
The Pack should probably be doing a screen every couple of plays. Its not like the Viking D has done anything resembling stopping it yet.
Definately not a fumble.
Damn, I'm glad Shiancoe got his act together after we got him from the Giants.
I wonder what Chester Taylor thinks of being a pass-catching back now... he so rarely gets to run anymore.
have the vikings had a penalty accepted against them yet?
Uhm... ... A holding call early on wasn't it? They also had an illegal formation (declined, but I think you remembered that based on your comment), but I can't remember anything else.
Ouch on the knee.
I also can't imagine having a new backup come in at LT doing much for the packer's passing attack for the rest of this game. Hopefully more/everyone is back in a few weeks for when we come to GB.
Two great punts for Klewe and the special teams.
Uh, Vikings? Maybe remember the game isn't officially over?
gah, prevent defenses suck to watch.
Kneel to win!
I have a hard time believing Morten or Gary Anderson or some other kicker (or backup like Garcia) hasn't 'defeated' every team in the nfl. Did someone curtail that list by skill position starters?
Anyone else think that down 16 points, it might be a better call to go for 1 pt conversions and a field goal to win rather than 2 pt conversions to send it into overtime?
you know, one of my friends and I had a conversation the other day. You know about Touchdown Jesus? Well, why can't there be a Safety Satan that is in the stadium? I couldn't help but think about this the two times the teams were near their own goal line....
Announcer: "And Rodgers has them lined up inside their own 1 yard line...flag on the play...looks like there's another false start."
Announcer 2: "I tell you, Jon, the hotfeet the Safety Satan has been giving the offensive line has really caused some problems here near the goal line."
Was it Gruden or Jaws that said something like "Rodgers needs to do a better job of getting his receivers open?" What the heck is that supposed to mean? Is he operating dudes with a joystick while scrambling for his life?
If Favre can abstain the whole year from becoming that lovable gunslinger with horrible horrible judgment, his numbers could wind up being pretty ridiculous by waiting to chuck it until defenses have committed all their resources to stopping #28. I personally love the Brett Favre who wants to go downfield into tight coverage on a 3rd and 2 with a receiver open in the flat. That guy is crazy entertaining.
I can only hope they meant he wasn't doing a good job of pump faking or looking off the safety type things (did he have time to?).
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