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316 replies , Last at
10 Oct 2010, 12:49pm by
TimK
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Pack66 (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 10:58am
Sooooo....I heard Mike Shanahan has become really predictable when it comes to playing RBs.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by JIPanick :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 11:16am
What a lousy time not to have a TV. If anyone happens to see a final word on Steven Jackson's status for the day, would you do me and my fantasy team a favor and let me know about it?
Go Broncos!
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Dales :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 11:47am
ESPN reporting he's active.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by JIPanick :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 11:55am
Excellent. Thanks.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 12:19pm
If you have the internet, you have more access to info than you would from the TV anyway...
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by JIPanick :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 12:27pm
Yeah, but sometimes they aren't quick enough with getting the "game time decisions" out online.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Samoan__Rob (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 12:17pm
Pierre Thomas is out and Saints are big favorites over the Panthers. Steven Jackson is active but may share carries with K Darby. Ladell Betts is starting for the Saints. Some like Ivory better as a goal line back.
Do I pick up and start Ladell Betts over S Jax or Darby?
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Samoan__Rob (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 12:31pm
For the record I'm going w/Betts over Ivory, Wynn, S Jax and Darby... and Ricky Williams. but it's probably just cuz the FO math loved him in yrs past.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:47pm
Did anybody know that Thomas wasn't going to play? That was news to me, and I left him in my fantasy lineup. Ugh.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Lvess :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 12:24pm
SJax's situation sounds an awful lot like he'll go for 6-10 carries and a few targets in the 1st half then sit out most of the 2nd. Just my gut. FWIW, I'm benching him.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Yaxley :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 12:47pm
I agree, I'm benching him for the same reasons. Knowing my luck, he'll have 4 TDs this week, but right now he seems too risky to use.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by James-London :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:08pm
Aw crap. Steeler/Ravens and the Cretin's commentating.
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:12pm
Delightful.
James, mind if I ask how you watch games over there? My wife is in London for work, stuck in the hotel, which only gets channel 4. The usual sites we can use in the states to get feeds online are all blocked from UK access. Is there a way you know of to watch the games online?
Thanks.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:29pm
The night game's on Channel 4. The earlier slots are broadcasting on SkySports 3, which features possibly the worst studio team ever to cover the sport. Monday Night Football is on ESPN UK.
I'm not aware of any legal way to watch the NFL online in the UK without actually subscribing to Sky Player (the price of which is extortionate) or the NFL GamePass (which is expensive but more worth the cost).
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:54pm
Yeah, her hotel has 4 but not SkySports, and she can't go to a pub. A pub won't have the Colts game anyway, which is what she wants.
Anyone know if the DirecTV online thing works out of the country? Because her family is a sunday ticket subscriber. Or do you need a separate package for that?
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Marko :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:36pm
I don't know if the DirectTV online thing (which is called NFL Sunday Ticket To-Go) works out of the country. But it is an "extra" to the regular NFL Sunday Ticket package. So you have to subscribe to NFL Sunday Ticket To-Go to see the games online.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by James-London :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:45pm
I watching on sky-hence I'm stuck with the Cretin
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:14pm
Oh good, it's Pink month.
It amazes me that the NFL is so careful about their brand and all kinds of little nit-picky uniform rules, but then they let teams wear these hideous pink shoes and gloves all month.
The cause is good, but paint the field pink, use pink instead of orange for the markers, and have a patch or armband or something. Everything else just looks godawful.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Sidewards :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:16pm
I disagree strongly. I think the highlights look great on most uniforms. Also, the hats the coaches wear.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:20pm
Well then. You have bad taste.
Seriously, though. It looks fine with some teams, of course, depending on their color schemes. But it's outright awful on others, like the 49ers. Or especially the Seahawks. Pretty gross for both teams in the Superdome right now.
Actually, if I was in charge of Seattle I'd just replace the bright green with the bright pink for a week. There's not much of it in the uniforms, just thin stripes. Then everything would still match (or in other words, actually be uniform)
(Replacing the orange with pink for the Bengals wouldn't make their uniforms any less awful either.)
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:16pm
I really do not like the gaudy pink the teams and refs are wearing. It's just horrible to look at. Breast cancer awareness? How about the NFL does something for animal rights awareness??? That would be far more appropriate.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by ChrisZ (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:12pm
Maybe because NFL viewers care more about breasts than animals?
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Rocco :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:21pm
Was that a Randle El sighting?
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:22pm
getting back to actual football... amazing catch by Randle El.
Bad kicking all over so far.
Flacco still looks like he's unwilling to step into his throws. I'd bet money he's nursing some nagging injury.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Sidewards :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:24pm
Or Zorn trying to fix him. Either way, it's bad for this year.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Rocco :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:29pm
Nice of Clark to not lead with his head for a change.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:34pm
In the NFL, Mario Hagan + Ryan McBean can sometimes school Chris Johnson...
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by James-London :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:36pm
TD Ravens and nice drive. Good run by McGahee to finish it
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:36pm
Denver's o-line is getting DESTROYED by Tennessee's d-line. It's bad.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by zzyzx :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:38pm
So the Seahawks didn't bother to challenge a fumble early in the game that would have given us the ball deep in STL territory but we did challenge whether Hasselbeck threw an incomplete pass before being sacked... a change of all of 3 yards.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:14pm
Then he wastes another challenge on an interception return. Neither play seems very likely to be overturned.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:46pm
The 49ers are up 14-0 thanks to a blocked punt. Time travelers are now going back a few weeks to find out where the hell these people were.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:51pm
Bradford is having a lot of passes sail on him, and passes when he has the time and pocket to set his feet.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:51pm
Tennessee's D-coordinator just drew a fine from the league (hopefully), after the TV cameras show him flipping off the refs after they made a good offsides call on his defense.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:54pm
Denver goes shotgun, empty backfield on a 3rd and 1, but gets bailed out on a questionable roughing the passer penalty. How far are we from seeing a "roughing the passer" called when the QB still has the ball in his hands?
In a Redskins game earlier in the year (either vs Rams or Texans, I can't remember) a Redskins defender got called for unnecessary roughness for tackling the ballcarrier, who had the ball in his hands and was still standing up. Ridiculous!
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:53pm
Eddie Royal catches a TD from Kyle Orton, proving that Eddie Royal still exists.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:58pm
He set up the TD the previous play, taking a quick screen for 16 yards.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 1:57pm
Just saw a replay of the Calvin Johnson TD for Detroit. Did anyone else cringe when he tossed the ball in the air in celebration immediately after he caught it? That loos dangerously close to being called incomplete like in week 1.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:01pm
Astounding pass blocking and pocket awareness by Pittsburgh and Charles Batch. An excellent execution for "Football Follies".
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:10pm
WTF was that call against Harrison ?
after last week's inexcusable Hochuli fail, now this?
he needs to be fired.
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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by zzyzx :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:20pm
On third and a short one, the Hawks just ran a picture perfect halfback option. Gutsy call but it worked.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by zzyzx :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:21pm
...and then there was a fake FG that didn't even come close.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:23pm
Seahawks-Rams has been really fun from a aggression standpoint. Three 4th down attempts so far, the last one being a fake field goal.
Sadly none of them have converted: dropped pass, penalty, and no one was tricked by the fake FG.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:24pm
So in week 4, the Redzone channel has worked all of 2 weeks so far for me. Thanks Comcast.
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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:29pm
Maybe if I grew a few more sets of eyes.
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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:35pm
And a larger television.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:40pm
just an HD projector and screen ?
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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:26pm
Denver inexplicably calls a timeout with 28 seconds left in the half before kicking a field goal... why would they do that without letting the clock run down? They handed Tennessee 3 free points for no reason. Mind-boggling.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:26pm
Fail time management by the Rams there. Should have called the TO immediately and taken a shot at the endzone.
Actually, they should have taken 2 shots and not thrown a 9 yard crossing route.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Q (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:28pm
Green Bay's Defense has turned Shaun Hill into Peyton Manning
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:30pm
Shaun Hill actually interests me less than what this might mean about Cutler. Or maybe the GB D is having a bad day.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:34pm
It probably means the Lion's offensive line is better than the Bear's.
That or the Green Bay coaches instructed their corners to stop grabbing receivers who beat them.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:36pm
Must be this is a crew that actually calls things like DPI.
I have that game on without sound in a second screen. It looks to me like Hill just has a lot of time to let guys get open.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:42pm
The crew on Monday night did a fine job calling DPI, the Packers just kept committing it, and kept getting caught.
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by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:48pm
True.
I guess they didn't want to risk a repeat of that this week so they backed off?
The plays I've noticed have been zones, actually. I don't see any CBs just getting outright beat man to man. (But again, not really paying attention.)
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by James-London :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:28pm
Cool NFL films piece on George Blanda being shown on Sky.
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Marko :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:29pm
Calvin Johnson with a TD catch on a jump ball near the end of the first half. Which predictably led to more discussion by Thom Brennaman and Brian Billick of the play from week 1 against the Bears.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:30pm
Brian Billick called Jason Hanson a "young man."
I suppose all football players are young when you're 56 years old like Billick.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:30pm
LOL @ Matt Ryan
LOL even more at the Announcer tards.
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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:37pm
McGahee got LIT UP!!!!!!!!!!
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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:38pm
Silverback blew him the FARK up !
LMAO.
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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:45pm
Shaun ellis tookk off r. fitzparitcik's pants during sack
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:47pm
I'm glad I don't get that game.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:47pm
I wonder how many success points a 1st down that moves the ball back 5 yards is worth.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:47pm
That was a weird unsportsmanlike contact call on the Rams receiver I can't spell.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:50pm
I've actually seen that before. You are not allowed to spike the ball after a non-TD play.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by tripvm :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:53pm
Broncos kick coverage burned again.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by tripvm :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:54pm
Followed by a good return by Thomas.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:55pm
Sanchez underthrows Braylon Edwards, who has no choice but to stop and let Drayton Florence run into him. Florence really doesn't have any other option, but since he doesn't turn around it's an easy DPI call to put the Jets at the 2.
I won't make the argument that it's not DPI, but it seems like every game there's a call or two like that where a terrible throw gets bailed out. The offense doesn't really deserve those yards. I wish there was a way to stop rewarding bad throws.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 2:58pm
On "The Amazing Adventures of Alex Smith's Job Security", Alex Smith throws his secomd interception of the game.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:03pm
Shouldn't that be misadventures?
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:32pm
It should be, if it wasn't for the fact that it's amazing that Smith still has a secure job. At least at this point in time...
However (thanks to a Mr. Derek Anderson), I shall now christen it "The Misadventures of Inadequate Quarterbacks at The Starting Position".
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by James-London :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:02pm
Bad INT from Flacco
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by t.d. :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:03pm
So I wonder if JaMarcus Russell is still one of the most similar comparables to Mark Sanchez.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:21pm
Not unless Sanchize is overthrowing targets by 10 years.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:07pm
Tardrians and Omar Tardlin need to go.
Epic farkin fail.
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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Marko :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:08pm
Thom Brennaman: You are an idiot. There is no such thing as a "forward lateral." The correct term is "illegal forward pass."
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:13pm
Thank God I'm watching the games in mute; which game was that?
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Marko :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:18pm
Lions-Packers.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by young curmudgeon :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 10:29pm
Wow, are you sensitive or what?!? I realize that the term is now "illegal forward pass," but for many years it was called "forward lateral." Do you similarly sling terms like "idiot" around when someone calls it "offsides" instead of "encroachment" or "backfield in motion" instead of whatever the hell they're calling it now? Does it give you a warm feeling when they announce "unimpeded to the quarterback"? If you'll notice, the old terminology was clear and fairly 'everyday', while the new phrases are no more descriptive, but are expressed in language that is more grandiloquent. If that is to your taste, you are welcome to it, but to attack someone who slips back into the old phrasing from time to time as an "idiot" seems like a ridiculous overreaction.
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by young curmudgeon :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 10:30pm
And besides, "Backfield in Motion" was a cool song. Try to write one as good that's called "False Start Before the Snap."
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:08pm
I'm really surprised Brandon Fletcher wasn't flagged for holding or DPI there. He was basically in constant contact with the receiver the whole play.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:08pm
Jeff Reed is not automatic. That's his second miss of the game.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:13pm
it's windy, it's Heinz field, he's got a ever-weakening leg. he's got roid rage, and an ever dwindling sense of confidence.
I sense some destroyed restrooms tonight.
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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by PTORaven :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 8:04pm
not with a bodyguard waiting out front
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:10pm
The Bills are terrible.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:48pm
Water is wet. Your turn.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:00pm
So is Jersey Shore.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Southern Philly :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:10pm
If you need to punish yourself, the Niners-Falcons game is being called by Stockton, Mora and Davis.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:14pm
The devolution of Carson Palmer continues.
LMAO
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Marko :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:21pm
I saw that Steve Smith was walking slowly off the field and then was carted to the dressing room. Anyone see how he got hurt?
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Southern Philly :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:25pm
He got his panties in a knot.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:23pm
Fabian Washington would've had a pick there but he got scared (justifiably) of Ngata. Ha.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:24pm
who wouldn't , big boy called for ball.
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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:26pm
"Good coverage on Mike Wallace," says Phil Simms, as the replay clearly shows him wide open in the end zone.
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:31pm
Hole-in-Zone was all over him on that play. :)
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:31pm
Steven Jackson has the 2nd most rushing yards for the Rams ever.
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by Marko :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:36pm
The Packers look awful today. The Lions will probably find a way to lose this game (because that's what they do), but they have really been more impressive than Green Bay.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Southern Philly :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:37pm
This 49ers drive has back breaking turnover written all over it.
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:51pm
Said backbreaking turnover being a Matty Ice interception, only for the interceptor to fumble it. Atlanta better thank Tebow for their second chance.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Southern Philly :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:52pm
That was killer. Pretty bad pass by Ryan.
I don't see what Tebow has to do with this.
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:56pm
After everything he accomplished in college, he cemented his status as one of the "football gods".
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by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:46pm
Seahawks self-destructing now. Some defender took his helmet off in celebration after stuffing Jackson, 15 yard penalty.
On the Rams side, up 14 with < 5 mins left, maybe it's time to rest your start runningback with a sore groin.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Southern Philly :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:48pm
Matt Ryan picked off by Nate Clemens, who runs it back inside the 10 and then fumbles the ball and the Falcons recover.
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by coboney :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:51pm
I can't see the game but it sounds like (and from the stat box) that my 49ers and the falcons are each trying to give the game over... and failing t doing so well.
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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:53pm
It does have a bit of that feel.
Falcons marching back down the field now, nearly in FG territory.
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by Just Another Falcons Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:14pm
To be fair, it was a really nice strip by Roddy White. If Clemens had just gone down though, the game was over.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:54pm
Omar Tardlin's terrible game management/clock management and trust in the prevent loses the game at the end.
fark this idiot
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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by CoachDave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:56pm
At what point do Lions fans drive to NYC and picket the NFL offices?
You can't get jobbed by the refs more than the Lions are @ GB today.
Yes, Detroit has had some foot-shooting dumb penalties, but when Charles Woodson is molesting wideouts and the penalties are 13 vs. 3 it's gone beyond "home field advantage".
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Southern Philly :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:58pm
Complaining about the ratio of penalties assumes that both teams have in actuality committed about the same amount of penalties. Which of course is not always the case.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 3:58pm
What's cooler than being Joe Cool?
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:00pm
FOX switches to Panthers-Saints in time to see a laser strike by Clausen, wow. That throw was breathtaking.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by Joe T. :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:01pm
Re: Ravens/Steelers - they flagged #57 for holding on the Steelers' final punt. Looked to me like it was in the endzone, but the announcers didn't go into it all (Simms, go figure). I thought holding in the endzone was a safety? Anybody else see it and can enlighten me?
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by PTORaven :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 8:11pm
i was wondering the same thing. i think this was within the final 2:00, so it should have been a booth review. ravens maybe get another apology this week. the officiating wasn't great in the game, but at least it didn't favor any one side.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:02pm
Panthers try to run to set up a shorter FG and lose yards.
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Re: Week 4 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:03pm
Then Clausen gets sacked. So anti-climatic.
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by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:04pm
And then takes forever to get that play off, even if it was complete the game was over.
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by Marko :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:04pm
What the hell were the Panthers doing? Even if that pass were completed, the clock would have run out before they could have lined up for another play or a field goal attempt.
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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:06pm
When did Les Miles take over the Panthers?
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:09pm
And Tennessee probably just lost the game on a 49-yd DPI call to put the Broncos at the 1. Denver needs a TD, but assuming they score Titans won't have time to.
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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:13pm
The Broncos then scored, so Tennessee would get the ball with about 1:30 to go, but they fumbled the kickoff return, so Denver has the ball, up 3, with 1:31 to go.
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by narticus :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:38pm
Special Teams snafus cost the Titans at least two of their first three games last season. Titans ST started the Steelers game this year allowing a kickoff return for a touchdown and then fumbled when the Steelers kicked off - a return TD and ST turnover in a game they only lost by one score. Today, down three with more than a minute-and-a-half, two timeouts, and strong wind at the their back, the Titans had another special teams turnover, costing themselves any real chance of a comeback. How does Alan Lowry still have his job?
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:29pm
Special teams didn't cost the Titans the game. The Titans scored on a 98-yard kickoff return where the returner wasn't even touched earlier in the game. Also, the ST turnover at the end of the game was a really tough play on a funny bounce of the ball--I don't think you can fault their coach for that at all. It's just one of those plays, I don't think there was anything they could have done. Their ST looked good overall if you ask me.
If you're looking for someone to blame, I'd put it on their OC Heimerdinger. They had several nice gains in the 1st quarter on misdirection plays where the Broncos entire defense bit--then they proceeded to call ONE misdirection play for the rest of the entire game. Whoever is calling plays for them needs to be sacked immediately, he is not taking advantage of the talent on that offense at all.
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by RickD :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 1:14am
"....a really tough play on a funny bounce."
You are not supposed to let kickoffs bounce. That's a live ball. Also, it's an oblate spheroid that is not going to take a true bounce in any sense. A good returner catches the ball in the air and never lets it bounce. If the regular return man is too deep, one of the up men is supposed to catch it.
That was absolutely a fail by the Titans' special teams.
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:15pm
Poster beat me to it.
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by Just Another Falcons Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:12pm
Falcons make the 43 yard FG to eke out a win they didn't deserve.
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:16pm
To be fair, it was the 49ers...
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by coboney :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:20pm
That hurts as a 49er fan to read that... and have to agree.
Calling us awful is probably about the best you can do. I guess that means we're currently fighting forthe #1 pick now ?
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by RickD :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 1:17am
The 49ers are not in the running there. There are a good handful of teams that are clearly worse. (Lions, Bills, Raiders... ok, at least three.)
The 49ers have a solid defense but they really suffer on offense from having an inadequate QB.
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by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:13pm
Classic Addai there, jumped side to side like 3 times without moving forward.
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by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:25pm
Garrard scores a TD with an option keeper. Awesome.
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by mickeyribs :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:25pm
Great line by Buck "First it was Hobbs, and now it's Calvin"
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:25pm
David Garrard wants in on Indy's run D (or lack thereof).
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by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:30pm
Helps when they don't call obvious holding.
Brackett would've had him [a mere 8 or so yards downfield] but was blatantly held. No call.
The tackling was piss poor on that drive.
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:29pm
Continuing on "The Misadventures of Inadequate Starters at the Quarterback Position", Derek Anderson responsibly throws a pick.
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:31pm
TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!!!!!
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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:33pm
Aikman said that Jacksonville has a "pretty average offense." Okay Troy...
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by DrunkenSuperman :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:34pm
Fred Davis completely misjudges a perfectly catchable ball and McNabb gets blamed. Some things don't change...
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by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:35pm
Troy Aikman: Philly fans aren't booing the opposition, they're booing their own team.
Somehow that is supposed to be better.
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:36pm
TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS AGAIN!!!! CHRIS COOLEY WOOHOO!!!!!!
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:39pm
Why did the Eagles trade that McNabb guy?
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by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:41pm
I'm going to get a real kick out of it if the Redskins can crush the Eagles with McNabb having a huge game.
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by Jovins :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:43pm
Is there a reason Arian Foster doesn't have any carries?
I wasn't aware that he was hurt. And I thought he was still starting.
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by Jay (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:08pm
looks like a disciplinary action. not a big fan, need his pts today
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by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:43pm
Ugh, horrible tackling by the Redskins there.
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by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:47pm
a) #50 is Wheeler
b) Clint's last name is SESSION.
Fouts is unbearable.
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by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:48pm
It surprises me that more of Vick's passes aren't tipped at the line.
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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:52pm
Vick hurt, Kolb in. This is too much.
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:59pm
He's heading to the locker room. So much for "The Michael Vick Experience, Part II" (for now).
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:22pm
Switching to Kolb has to be a good thing for the Eagles at this point.
Did you see the play Vick got injured on? He got sandwiched between two defenders squarely hitting both of his shoulders at the exact same time--OUCH. The human body isn't designed to take forces like that.
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:54pm
Yeah. I got hurt watching that.
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 4:57pm
People not named Derek Anderson have scored for the Cardinals.
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by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:13pm
Kolb drops the snap, manages to pick it up, and gets the pass batted at the line.
As comic book guy would say: ugliest. play. ever.
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by the cat in the box is dead (not verified) :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 7:16am
Yeah, that was horrendous. Kolb's starting to look like a prime candidate for the journeyman QB/solid backup career path. Of course, he's got time to change that, if he gets the opportunity, but it's looking a little more likely right now.
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:18pm
Are Aikman and Buck even paying attention to the game?
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:19pm
The Redskins have the worst tackling defense I've ever seen. Fortunately, Eagles ballcarriers keep running directly into defenders.
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by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:30pm
The Eagles and Colts are giving them a strong run for that title...
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by Mr Shush :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 8:38am
What I take from this exchange is that neither of you watched very much of the 2005 Texans. I don't blame you. Wish I hadn't either.
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by tornadot :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:29pm
Maroney is SLOW. If he keeps this up, NE can take him back.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:40pm
They can have him NOW. Bad RBs set up 2nd and 9. Maroney sets up 2nd and 14. And I wish I was kidding. The blocking was horrible today, I'll grant him that, but my goodness he's awful.
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by tornadot :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 6:31pm
I didn't want to appear like one of those knee jerk reaction types...but yea, now would be good.
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:44pm
Maroney looked worthless all game. For some reason, McDaniels gave him the ball instead of Buckhalter on the clock-killing drive and he nearly fumbled it back.
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by Treima6 (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:45pm
Belichick has practically built his career on snookering teams out of their draft picks. This just happens to be another example of that.
Of course, he's also developing a reputation for blowing those draft picks on the Shawn Crables and Chad Jacksons and Laurence Maroneys of the NFL...
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by RickD :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 1:22am
...and the Richard Seymours and Vince Wilforks and Tom Bradys and Logan Mankins and Jerod Mayos and...
For a team that is allegedly a terrible drafting organization, the Pats seem to manage to win a lot of games.
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by Dan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:35pm
Eagles are demonstrating their 2 minute prowess.
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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:43pm
Apparently it takes Kolb 15 second to run from the sideline to the huddle.
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by kamchatka (not verified) :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 7:58am
I love how the announcers spent ten minutes lambasting the officials and making up gross miscarriages of the playclock, until they realized the Eagles just hadn't bothered to get back to the line.
This was an eminently winnable game. Andy Reid - who I respect immensely otherwise - needs to have his mom pin a stopwatch to his lapel before he leaves the house on gameday.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:35pm
LMAO @ the Beagles .
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by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:40pm
Have you ever made a post that added something to the conversation? Anything at all?
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:43pm
Have you had your ever had your manpon changed ?
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:45pm
It would be nice though if you explained WHY you were "LMAO." Just saying that without an explanation is rather useless.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:52pm
"Just saw a replay of the Calvin Johnson TD for Detroit. Did anyone else cringe when he tossed the ball in the air in celebration immediately after he caught it? That loos dangerously close to being called incomplete like in week 1."
yeh, we need more stunning insight like this jicamas to clementines comparison, since you know, in week one he went to the ground, and on this play , he was standing up the whole time.
keep chiming in with far superior level of insightful commentary (which of course misinforms the reader who isn't watching the game/highlight by making it seem he went to the ground).
not my fault if nobody else here has Sunday Ticket and watching all the games, besides, it was 90 minutes into a Beagles game, 99% chance clock management is the issue.
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 6:04pm
Nice Ad Hominem. But you still didn't explain what you were talking about. Apparently it had something to do with clock management but I must be an imbecile for not being able to read your mind. I guess it probably doesn't even matter.
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:48pm
Smith performs highway robbery on Peyton Manning and Dallas Clark by intercepting Manning after Clark dropped a pass while taking a nasty hit.
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by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:58pm
It was Eldridge.
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by Treima6 (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:48pm
There goes Manning's flawless opening to the season. Just threw it into double coverage to Brody freakin' Eldrich for some reason and ALMOST got it in, but the Jaguars deflected it, then returned it 49 yards.
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by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:59pm
He did get it in. Eldridge was open. The throw was about a foot off the mark and a guy like that doesn't have the hands/experience the other guys do to make the catch.
Kind of a miraculous shoestring catch by Smith.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:53pm
. accidental double post.
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 5:59pm
Aikman and Buck don't like a call at the end of the 2nd quarter, and Fox brings in Mike Pereira who explains that the refs actually did call it correctly. After halftime, Aikman and Buck are STILL talking about how they don't understand the call! Ugh. Those two are just stupid.
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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 6:07pm
The next time Pereira says the refs were wrong will be the first.
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by Jon Silverberg (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 6:58pm
Robert Morse in "How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying..." Pereira does it the company way...
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by RickD :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 1:28am
Aikman was actually blaming the refs for a delay of game penalty that the Eagles took. And it's not like he referred to the clock or anything. He just said that the refs must have screwed it up. No explanation, no nothing.
I live in the DC area. The locals here despise Aikman and wonder how he gets assigned to pretty much every single Cowboy game on Fox. And when the Cowboys have a bye week, he gets the NFC East matchup between the Eagles and Redskins. We think he hates the Skins more than the Eagles, and needs to find ways to deny that anything good or righteous should go the way of the Redskins.
When the delay of game call was made, we tried to figure out exactly what Aikman was saying. We first thought he was making fun of Reid, who is notorious for bad clock management. But no, to our shock Aikman actually blamed the refs. This is the first time I've ever heard any commentator blame the refs for a delay of game call.
Really, it reminds me of the Geico caveman criticizing the whistle to start the second half.
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by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 3:06am
100% agreed about Aikman. I absolutely abhor FOX for torturing us like this. And Aikman does seem to hate the Redskins, more than the Eagles or anyone else, yet Fox continues to stick him in there...
On the bright side, their "A" camera team did get some really nice shots tonight.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 6:14pm
Can anyonwe explain what the Jaguars are doing to limit Manning? Vick was cutting that defense up not long time ago...
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by Dan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 6:22pm
Red zone turnovers, no big plays, and limiting possessions with long slow drives by both teams. Colts have 6 possessions so far, with 2 touchdown drives (11 plays each), 2 three-and-outs, and 2 drives to the red zone that ended in turnovers (1 fumble by Wayne fighting for the first down, and 1 interception off a dropped/broken up pass).
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 6:27pm
Not drafting a defensive end in the first round if the NFL Draft works wonders...
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 6:29pm
Hmm... D. Anderson benched. Max Hall in for the Cards.
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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 6:32pm
*Checks pulse*
For some reason, I am not shocked at this turn of events.
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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 6:32pm
If there was any chance of another QB controversy this week in Philly, Kevin Kolb is putting it to rest. Only injury will keep Vick out next week.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 6:32pm
Kolb scrambles on third down, gets hit from behind, fumbles (eagles recovers). Boo bird at the Linc.
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by Q (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 6:42pm
Manning sure was lucky to not throw his 2nd INT
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by B :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 6:42pm
I just got home. Why is Kolb in for the Eagles?
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by JIPanick :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 6:45pm
Cuz the dummies traded McNabb.
Or did you want "Vick hurt, shoulder"?
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by B :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 6:46pm
I forgot to specify, I just got home today, not I just got home after waking up from a year-long coma. Thanks for the explanation that covers both possibilities.
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by JIPanick :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 6:48pm
Actually, I may by wrong about the shoulder. If someone else says something different believe them and not me.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 6:45pm
Vick injury - rib and chest.
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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 6:57pm
Reid decided to go with a short, ineffectual passing game. Kolb is executing it perfectly.
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by kamchatka (not verified) :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 8:08am
I don't think the sideline routes were really all that stupid - they DID manage to move the ball up the field more effectively than any of his attempts at longer throws earlier. Especially in the face of a not-bad effort by the Skins secondary.
It's just a pity Kolb couldn't push the ball farther earlier, and that either he or the coaches pissed away a relatively easy TD by trying to read through the works of Proust during a single time out.
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 6:48pm
It doesn't matter who QB Eagles is; the Redskins will pressure him and destroy the pocket around him, but can't manage to actually bring him down before he scrambles for 10 yards. I guess the difference is Kolb scrambles for 10 where Vick might have scrambled for much more.
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by Q (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 7:03pm
Wow a 59 yard game winnrer
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by BJR :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 7:04pm
59 yard field goal!
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by BJR :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 7:11pm
That false start is absolutely unforgiveable
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 7:15pm
Carlos Rogers drops a game-clinching interception. Raise your hand if you're surprised.
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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 7:20pm
Not only does Mike Shanahan get a win, but it has to end with the ball in DeAngelo Hall's hands? Boo.
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 7:23pm
I almost had a heart attack as an Eagles receiver gets both hands on a hail-mary in the end zone, but can't hold on. Thank goodness--that was too close.
The Redskins now own first place in the NFC East!
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by Semigruntled Eagles Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 7:23pm
How does Avant drop that pass? I mean, I've seen plenty of clutch drops by Eagles receivers over the years, but seriously - he gets an uncontested Hail Mary, and drops it? Ugh.
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by BJR :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 8:06pm
Are you serious? I mean sure, he got both hands to the ball and could have made the play, but uncontested? That's a ridiculous description of events.
A failed Hail Mary at the end was not the primary reason the Eagles lost that game......
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by Semigruntled Eagles Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 8:59pm
I'm not saying the Eagles deserved to win the game, but given that no Redskins player laid a hand on Avant or the ball, uncontested is a valid description of the play. (Granted, it was a jumping attempt, so going to the ground somebody could have hit him, but nevertheless, he dropped the ball without any direct contact from the defense).
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by kamchatka (not verified) :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 8:02am
He had two defenders between him and the ball. It sailed between their hands and landed in his, and the only reason THAT happened was a pretty immense stroke of luck on Kolb's part.
Whoever sold the Eagles on the idea that Kevin Kolb was a better fit in the NFL than McNabb had better start polishing their résumé.
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by mvhuber :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 7:31pm
We have now confirmed why Kevin Kolb got canned.
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by DaveWY (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 7:54pm
Maybe I've missed the explanation. But why was Woodson's interception where he dove into the endzone, hit the group and the ball popped out ruled OK, but Calvin Johnson's endzone catch in week 1 ruled no good?
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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 8:00pm
Because he had completed the catch and established possession well before he got to the end zone. Once he crossed the plane, the play was over. Johnson hadn't established possession yet.
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by DaveWY (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 7:55pm
I mean hit the ground of course
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by James-London :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 8:43pm
Awesome misadventures in punting in New Jersey.
And does Jay Cutler get danger money? Because that O-line is rubbish
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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by James-London :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:03pm
Wow, it's quiet around here. Cutler just threw a terrific WTF? pick
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:12pm
The Second Coming of Favre continues.
(Note: I typed this in the wrong window at first and it would have made no sense to anyone here as I first wrote it. I decided to clarify instead of just deleting it.)
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by Q (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:19pm
Are the Bears going to have every ball bounce straight to them this year?
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by Treima6 (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:20pm
Cutler is trying to make Derek Anderson and Kevin Kolb look downright competent in comparison.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:26pm
Although to be honest the worst thing about this game isn't Cutler, it's the fact that the Giants only have 3 points.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:21pm
The Bears are making the Giants defense look like a Giants defense. Which is new this year.
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by JIPanick :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:22pm
I don't have access to a TV, but the play-by-play says Cutler fumbled on three consecutive dropbacks?
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by Ambientdonkey :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:27pm
Apparently he thinks he can hold the ball for 9 seconds per drop.
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by Q (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:23pm
Every play he is being blind sided by the Giants D Line
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by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:24pm
If Cutler leaves the Meadowlands alive I'll be very impressed.
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by James-London :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:27pm
If the Giant's punter makes it out alive I'll be impressed
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:26pm
Awesome quote by Seubert.
Michaels joked about the changing pronunciation of his name, saying if he got a penalty or did something bad it'd be pronounced a different way. Seubert answered "if I get a penalty, call me Chris Snee."
Preposterous punt. 14 net yards. The Giants should be ahead by 17 or more in this game, but they're leaving the Bears in it. Not good.
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:27pm
Maybe I scared everyone off of posting tonight ;)
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by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:28pm
OK, my viewing experience and knowledge of football is enhanced by "night vision" how, exactly?
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by Ambientdonkey :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:31pm
For the love of god why won't this idiot throw the ball?
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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:44pm
Because if he threw the ball every time he got sacked he would 4 INTs instead of 8 sacks.
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by Ambientdonkey :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:31pm
double post
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by James-London :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:31pm
OK, I get the fact that the Bears have a bad line, but Cutler, really needs to get rid of the ball. Seven sacks, and it's not half-time yet, and at least 3 of them were on Cutler.
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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by Ambientdonkey :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:35pm
I would say 5 are on Cutler.
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by James-London :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:34pm
Bears O giving the game to the Giants; Giant's O trying to give it back.
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:35pm
That looked like either a legit incomplete pass or a tuck rule at worst.
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by James-London :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:35pm
Great from Cris Collinsworth:
"someone put a tent over this circus"
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:38pm
Manning fumble, Cutler sack. Sheesh.
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by Marko :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:38pm
Off the top of my head, I think the record for sacks in a game is 12 by the Bears against the Lions in the last game of the 1984 season. The Giants are going to obliterate that record (and Jay Cutler) tonight.
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by JIPanick :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:40pm
I think we just ended a sequence of six Cutler sacks in six Cutler dropbacks...
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by James-London :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:41pm
By halftime if the Bears get the ball back...
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:50pm
PFR says 14, but it's from 1952, so I'm not sure how reliable it is.
If you skip that one, the record is 12, which has been done seven times--three times by the Bears. Twice by the Cowboys, too. And, unsurprisingly, the only team to be victim to it twice is the Lions.
So six more sacks - which looks ridiculously possible - and the Giants set a new sack record even if the '52 one is good? And the NFL, as far as I can tell, lists 12 as the max for a game, five times dating back to '66. http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/history/pdfs/Records/A... page 9 or page 17.
So I'm not sure what's official here.
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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 10:16pm
I would bet that the nfl.com stats are official.
Normally, the PFR guys say that they don't have "reliable" sack data before 1969. However, it's also only in the context of measuring the statistics of individual quarterbacks that I remember them saying it. I also don't know what it means to say you don't have "reliable" sack data--does it mean the data is incomplete, or that you get conflicting data, or what?
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by Scott C :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 12:47am
Sacks were not an official stat until ~1963 IIRC.
They were measured before but like other unofficial stats, with poor consistency and some missing data.
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by RickD :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 1:32am
Much later than that - 1982.
Legend has it that Deacon Jones would clearly hold the sack record if anybody had been counting during his career.
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by Semigruntled Eagles Fan (not verified) :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 1:47am
Team sacks were a tracked statistic well before sacks for individual players, IIRC.
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by CathyW :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:41pm
This is starting to remind me of the 12-sack game the Giants pitched against the Eagles in 2007 (?). Ay carumba - Winston Justice was like a turnstile out there.
apparently that last play before the punt became sack #9. Hilarious.
What's the record for sacks in a half?
Quick, Eli, turn the ball over so they can hit Cutler some more.
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by James-London :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:40pm
While you can't see the coverage from the TV, I fail to believe that no-one is open on any of these plays. -9 passing yards and 9 sacks is awesome. If Cutler can't throw, who's on the bench?
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:43pm
That would be Todd Collins on the Bears' bench. I'm not entirely sure that would improve things.
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:59pm
EDIT: Todd Collins, according to the actual depth chart. I guess Caleb Hanie got demoted.
I watched Hanie play in college at Colorado State, and never would have guessed he would be an NFL prospect. Shows what I know, I guess.
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by tuluse :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 11:36pm
Hanie looks really good every preseason, and Mel Kiper was in love with him for whatever that's worth.
He got demoted because he got hurt this year and they didn't have a chance to evaluate him with the new offense.
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by Ambientdonkey :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:41pm
How about a some first down runs. And if Cutler can't bring himself to throw the ball away before running out of bounds in the backfield, how about benching him. I feel like I'm watching Henry Burris again.
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:42pm
Are all these sacks due somewhat to the constant vertical routes? Does the Martz playbook not include any mid-range crossing stuff?
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by Marko :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:43pm
If the Bears are going to win this game, it looks like it will take a defensive or special teams TD. Maybe both. We know the Bears can do this and have done this before in prime time - when the Bears were who we thought they were. Will the Giants let 'em off the hook?
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by InTheBoilerRoom :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:44pm
Martz is just as responsible for this nonsense as Cutler and the O-line. He needs to stop calling plays having the WRs running routes 20 yards down field. At this point everything should be 3 step drops and short routes. But this is Martz we're talking about...
Pretty much everyone associated with the offense is responsible for this stupidity.
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by RickD :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 1:34am
Martz called a godawful game.
Long after it was established that the Bears could not give more than 2 seconds of pass protection, and long before the game was out of reach, Martz continued to push the same button: pass, pass, pass, pass, pass.
Matt Forte? Ignored.
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by James-London :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:46pm
Bears get it back inside thier own 10. If the Giants get this right, they'll break the sack record AND get the safety
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:48pm
A short route? And a completion? To a tight end? I think maybe Lovie decided to take over the offense.
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by James-London :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:49pm
Martz just staged a coup. sack number 9 follows the first down.
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:49pm
Nevermind, sack #9. I don't have anything to say any more.
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by CathyW :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:49pm
Okay, is that 9 or 10?
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by James-London :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:50pm
9. They scratched one off
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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by CathyW :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:52pm
This is just terrible. I think I could protect Cutler better, and I'm 5'3" and weigh about 119 lbs. Good lord.
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by James-London :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:54pm
Not if Cutler keeps refusing to throw the ball you couldn't
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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by CathyW :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:59pm
True.
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by The Human Spider :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 12:03pm
I'm 6'4' and 180 pounds, and I think I could've gotten a sack on Cutler.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:50pm
Officially #9, the last #9 got marked down as incomplete eventually.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:52pm
Well the good thing about all the sacks is that now the Giants are just looking for Cutler - so the running game's getting working, ish.
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by James-London :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 9:52pm
I have no idea how the Bears aren't already beaten. 3-0 is a travesty
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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by CathyW :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 10:01pm
I'm still trying to get the horrible taste of that Eagles game out of my mouth. Although I was happy that McNabb played okay - not his best game, but he definitely didn't need to bring his "A" game today.
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by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 10:04pm
The Giants have long had the habit of playing down to the opponent's level and letting them hang around in games they should win by double digits.
The 07 NFC title game is a great example. They should've won that game by 2 scores in regulation, but it took the Favre brain fart to hand the game back to them.
Whoops, this was a reply to James.
At least this time it isn't stupid penalties prolonging drives and leading to points.
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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 10:09pm
Whoa--Collins taking over. I have to admit, this development does surprise me.
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by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 10:10pm
Collins is in, and while part of me just feels bad for Cutler, part of me is hoping he threw a world-class hissy fit and refused to play the second half, sparking a massive controversy and fun as hell headlines here in Chicago.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 10:13pm
Commentators saying Cutler is officially out for now, possible/probable concussion.
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by James-London :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 10:12pm
3 & out for the Giants, and no Cutler. Is he hurt, or like Achilles, skulking in his tent?
EDIT: Concussion for Culter. Anyone else thinks he's lucky it's not worse?
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 10:13pm
Concussion, apparently, and now a limited playbook for the confused as hell Collins. Looks like no amount of bad Eli can cost them this game. 3 points will likely be enough.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 10:14pm
If this game ends 3-0 that will be horrible. There's no excuse for it. At least the last 3-0 game happened in a hurricane!
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by Marko :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 10:15pm
As I said above, the Bears may have to win this game with a defensive or special teams TD. So some amount of bad Eli could cost the Giants if he throws a pick 6.
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by B :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 10:14pm
Todd Collins, the best drink named NFL quarterback since the White Russian.
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by SFC B (not verified) :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 2:32am
The drink is a Tom Collins. Gin, soda water, sugar, lemon.
However a Redskins fan apparently called his bourbon and ginger ale a Todd Collins.
So the Todd Collins was inspired by confusion over Todd Collins and Tom Collins.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 10:22pm
With Collins in, the Bears offense is suddenly looking competent. Not good - they still can't get a 1st down - but competent. Competent in a might-get-a-FG-eventually way. Is Cutler that bad? But he'd actually been looking okay this year. So I'm just really confused.
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by Alexander :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 11:09pm
I'm fairly certain its because Cutler had too much confidence at the beginning of the game and got sacked alot. Then after getting sacked alot he had too much hot feet and didn't look downfield enough.
Also the Giants DLine is probably getting tired.
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by Perrin (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 10:49pm
It looks like Collins isn't using a mouthpiece. Is that even legal? Let alone, impossibly stupid in a game where the other team sacked your QB nine times in the first half?
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by David_I (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 11:00pm
What's the book on Jacobs going ballistic tonight?
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by Perrin (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 11:03pm
Maybe he'll throw Tom Coughlin into the stands.
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by B :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 11:06pm
Ok Chicago, the good news is your defense got a turnover. The bad news is now you have Todd Collins starting a drive on your 1 yard line.
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by Dave :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 11:12pm
What a god awful throw by Eli and great play by Nicks to set up that clinching touchdown.
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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 11:19pm
I went to school right by Caleb Hanie for at least a little while (I graduated in 2006). Since him succeeding would funnel football players over to CSU instead, I will root for him.
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 11:24pm
I graduated from Colorado State in 2005! Pleased to meet you, sir.
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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 11:28pm
Interesting! My best friend went to CSU. He graduated in 2009, but he actually started in 2003, so he would have been there.
I realize my comment could have meant several schools--I went to CU.
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 11:47pm
My brother and girlfriend both graduated from CU in '06 and '07, so I feel no animosity toward Boulder at all. In fact it bothers me to see so many people from either school actually disliking the other town/school/football team. I feel the Buffs are my home team too, and I root for them in all their games except the one vs. CSU every year. The Mile High Showdown is one of my favorite football games, but I wonder if some fans take the shit talking too seriously and forget that we're all friends after it's over... so I'm glad to see someone else hoping Hanie gets a shot in the NFL.
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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 11:55pm
I honestly hate college football (long explanation that I don't have time for), so I never got into the animosity.
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by jonnyblazin :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 11:21pm
GOOD JOB CALEB
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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 10/03/2010 - 11:42pm
I think we need an injury countdown sometime this week. I have completely lost track of the high ankle sprains, concussions and knee injuries to key football players.
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by Basilicus :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 3:56am
The joys of being a Bears fan are endless.
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by Rocco :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 9:03pm
Gotta love it when the camera pans to a coach after his team gives up points- good shot of Belichick mouthing "god-dammit" after Bess scored.
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by B :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 9:25pm
Apparently the Patriots are trying to test Mike Reiss's run to win theory. If they have 20 runs in the first half, that's like a guaranteed victory, right?
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by RickD :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 9:26pm
Just tuned in to the 2nd quarter of the Pats-Dolphins game. Seems like the Pats read today's article about running the ball. They are running and running and running. We're close to halftime and neither Welker nor Moss has even been targeted yet.
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Sooooo....I heard Mike Shanahan has become really predictable when it comes to playing RBs.
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What a lousy time not to have a TV. If anyone happens to see a final word on Steven Jackson's status for the day, would you do me and my fantasy team a favor and let me know about it?
Go Broncos!
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ESPN reporting he's active.
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Excellent. Thanks.
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If you have the internet, you have more access to info than you would from the TV anyway...
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Yeah, but sometimes they aren't quick enough with getting the "game time decisions" out online.
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Pierre Thomas is out and Saints are big favorites over the Panthers. Steven Jackson is active but may share carries with K Darby. Ladell Betts is starting for the Saints. Some like Ivory better as a goal line back.
Do I pick up and start Ladell Betts over S Jax or Darby?
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For the record I'm going w/Betts over Ivory, Wynn, S Jax and Darby... and Ricky Williams. but it's probably just cuz the FO math loved him in yrs past.
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Did anybody know that Thomas wasn't going to play? That was news to me, and I left him in my fantasy lineup. Ugh.
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SJax's situation sounds an awful lot like he'll go for 6-10 carries and a few targets in the 1st half then sit out most of the 2nd. Just my gut. FWIW, I'm benching him.
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I agree, I'm benching him for the same reasons. Knowing my luck, he'll have 4 TDs this week, but right now he seems too risky to use.
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Aw crap. Steeler/Ravens and the Cretin's commentating.
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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Delightful.
James, mind if I ask how you watch games over there? My wife is in London for work, stuck in the hotel, which only gets channel 4. The usual sites we can use in the states to get feeds online are all blocked from UK access. Is there a way you know of to watch the games online?
Thanks.
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The night game's on Channel 4. The earlier slots are broadcasting on SkySports 3, which features possibly the worst studio team ever to cover the sport. Monday Night Football is on ESPN UK.
I'm not aware of any legal way to watch the NFL online in the UK without actually subscribing to Sky Player (the price of which is extortionate) or the NFL GamePass (which is expensive but more worth the cost).
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Yeah, her hotel has 4 but not SkySports, and she can't go to a pub. A pub won't have the Colts game anyway, which is what she wants.
Anyone know if the DirecTV online thing works out of the country? Because her family is a sunday ticket subscriber. Or do you need a separate package for that?
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I don't know if the DirectTV online thing (which is called NFL Sunday Ticket To-Go) works out of the country. But it is an "extra" to the regular NFL Sunday Ticket package. So you have to subscribe to NFL Sunday Ticket To-Go to see the games online.
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I watching on sky-hence I'm stuck with the Cretin
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Oh good, it's Pink month.
It amazes me that the NFL is so careful about their brand and all kinds of little nit-picky uniform rules, but then they let teams wear these hideous pink shoes and gloves all month.
The cause is good, but paint the field pink, use pink instead of orange for the markers, and have a patch or armband or something. Everything else just looks godawful.
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I disagree strongly. I think the highlights look great on most uniforms. Also, the hats the coaches wear.
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Well then. You have bad taste.
Seriously, though. It looks fine with some teams, of course, depending on their color schemes. But it's outright awful on others, like the 49ers. Or especially the Seahawks. Pretty gross for both teams in the Superdome right now.
Actually, if I was in charge of Seattle I'd just replace the bright green with the bright pink for a week. There's not much of it in the uniforms, just thin stripes. Then everything would still match (or in other words, actually be uniform)
(Replacing the orange with pink for the Bengals wouldn't make their uniforms any less awful either.)
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I really do not like the gaudy pink the teams and refs are wearing. It's just horrible to look at. Breast cancer awareness? How about the NFL does something for animal rights awareness??? That would be far more appropriate.
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Maybe because NFL viewers care more about breasts than animals?
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Was that a Randle El sighting?
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getting back to actual football... amazing catch by Randle El.
Bad kicking all over so far.
Flacco still looks like he's unwilling to step into his throws. I'd bet money he's nursing some nagging injury.
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Or Zorn trying to fix him. Either way, it's bad for this year.
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Nice of Clark to not lead with his head for a change.
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In the NFL, Mario Hagan + Ryan McBean can sometimes school Chris Johnson...
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TD Ravens and nice drive. Good run by McGahee to finish it
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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Denver's o-line is getting DESTROYED by Tennessee's d-line. It's bad.
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So the Seahawks didn't bother to challenge a fumble early in the game that would have given us the ball deep in STL territory but we did challenge whether Hasselbeck threw an incomplete pass before being sacked... a change of all of 3 yards.
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Then he wastes another challenge on an interception return. Neither play seems very likely to be overturned.
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The 49ers are up 14-0 thanks to a blocked punt. Time travelers are now going back a few weeks to find out where the hell these people were.
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Bradford is having a lot of passes sail on him, and passes when he has the time and pocket to set his feet.
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Tennessee's D-coordinator just drew a fine from the league (hopefully), after the TV cameras show him flipping off the refs after they made a good offsides call on his defense.
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Denver goes shotgun, empty backfield on a 3rd and 1, but gets bailed out on a questionable roughing the passer penalty. How far are we from seeing a "roughing the passer" called when the QB still has the ball in his hands?
In a Redskins game earlier in the year (either vs Rams or Texans, I can't remember) a Redskins defender got called for unnecessary roughness for tackling the ballcarrier, who had the ball in his hands and was still standing up. Ridiculous!
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Eddie Royal catches a TD from Kyle Orton, proving that Eddie Royal still exists.
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He set up the TD the previous play, taking a quick screen for 16 yards.
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Just saw a replay of the Calvin Johnson TD for Detroit. Did anyone else cringe when he tossed the ball in the air in celebration immediately after he caught it? That loos dangerously close to being called incomplete like in week 1.
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Astounding pass blocking and pocket awareness by Pittsburgh and Charles Batch. An excellent execution for "Football Follies".
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WTF was that call against Harrison ?
after last week's inexcusable Hochuli fail, now this?
he needs to be fired.
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On third and a short one, the Hawks just ran a picture perfect halfback option. Gutsy call but it worked.
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...and then there was a fake FG that didn't even come close.
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Seahawks-Rams has been really fun from a aggression standpoint. Three 4th down attempts so far, the last one being a fake field goal.
Sadly none of them have converted: dropped pass, penalty, and no one was tricked by the fake FG.
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So in week 4, the Redzone channel has worked all of 2 weeks so far for me. Thanks Comcast.
And they don't even have it in HD.
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Real NFL fans watch this
http://www.directv.com/cms2/sports/nfl/SuperFan/lg__Game_Mix.jpg
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Maybe if I grew a few more sets of eyes.
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And a larger television.
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just an HD projector and screen ?
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Denver inexplicably calls a timeout with 28 seconds left in the half before kicking a field goal... why would they do that without letting the clock run down? They handed Tennessee 3 free points for no reason. Mind-boggling.
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Fail time management by the Rams there. Should have called the TO immediately and taken a shot at the endzone.
Actually, they should have taken 2 shots and not thrown a 9 yard crossing route.
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Green Bay's Defense has turned Shaun Hill into Peyton Manning
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Shaun Hill actually interests me less than what this might mean about Cutler. Or maybe the GB D is having a bad day.
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It probably means the Lion's offensive line is better than the Bear's.
That or the Green Bay coaches instructed their corners to stop grabbing receivers who beat them.
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Must be this is a crew that actually calls things like DPI.
I have that game on without sound in a second screen. It looks to me like Hill just has a lot of time to let guys get open.
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The crew on Monday night did a fine job calling DPI, the Packers just kept committing it, and kept getting caught.
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True.
I guess they didn't want to risk a repeat of that this week so they backed off?
The plays I've noticed have been zones, actually. I don't see any CBs just getting outright beat man to man. (But again, not really paying attention.)
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Cool NFL films piece on George Blanda being shown on Sky.
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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Calvin Johnson with a TD catch on a jump ball near the end of the first half. Which predictably led to more discussion by Thom Brennaman and Brian Billick of the play from week 1 against the Bears.
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Brian Billick called Jason Hanson a "young man."
I suppose all football players are young when you're 56 years old like Billick.
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LOL @ Matt Ryan
LOL even more at the Announcer tards.
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McGahee got LIT UP!!!!!!!!!!
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Silverback blew him the FARK up !
LMAO.
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Shaun ellis tookk off r. fitzparitcik's pants during sack
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I'm glad I don't get that game.
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I wonder how many success points a 1st down that moves the ball back 5 yards is worth.
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That was a weird unsportsmanlike contact call on the Rams receiver I can't spell.
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I've actually seen that before. You are not allowed to spike the ball after a non-TD play.
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Broncos kick coverage burned again.
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Followed by a good return by Thomas.
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Sanchez underthrows Braylon Edwards, who has no choice but to stop and let Drayton Florence run into him. Florence really doesn't have any other option, but since he doesn't turn around it's an easy DPI call to put the Jets at the 2.
I won't make the argument that it's not DPI, but it seems like every game there's a call or two like that where a terrible throw gets bailed out. The offense doesn't really deserve those yards. I wish there was a way to stop rewarding bad throws.
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On "The Amazing Adventures of Alex Smith's Job Security", Alex Smith throws his secomd interception of the game.
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Shouldn't that be misadventures?
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It should be, if it wasn't for the fact that it's amazing that Smith still has a secure job. At least at this point in time...
However (thanks to a Mr. Derek Anderson), I shall now christen it "The Misadventures of Inadequate Quarterbacks at The Starting Position".
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Bad INT from Flacco
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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So I wonder if JaMarcus Russell is still one of the most similar comparables to Mark Sanchez.
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Not unless Sanchize is overthrowing targets by 10 years.
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Tardrians and Omar Tardlin need to go.
Epic farkin fail.
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Thom Brennaman: You are an idiot. There is no such thing as a "forward lateral." The correct term is "illegal forward pass."
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Thank God I'm watching the games in mute; which game was that?
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Lions-Packers.
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Wow, are you sensitive or what?!? I realize that the term is now "illegal forward pass," but for many years it was called "forward lateral." Do you similarly sling terms like "idiot" around when someone calls it "offsides" instead of "encroachment" or "backfield in motion" instead of whatever the hell they're calling it now? Does it give you a warm feeling when they announce "unimpeded to the quarterback"? If you'll notice, the old terminology was clear and fairly 'everyday', while the new phrases are no more descriptive, but are expressed in language that is more grandiloquent. If that is to your taste, you are welcome to it, but to attack someone who slips back into the old phrasing from time to time as an "idiot" seems like a ridiculous overreaction.
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And besides, "Backfield in Motion" was a cool song. Try to write one as good that's called "False Start Before the Snap."
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I'm really surprised Brandon Fletcher wasn't flagged for holding or DPI there. He was basically in constant contact with the receiver the whole play.
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Jeff Reed is not automatic. That's his second miss of the game.
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it's windy, it's Heinz field, he's got a ever-weakening leg. he's got roid rage, and an ever dwindling sense of confidence.
I sense some destroyed restrooms tonight.
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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
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not with a bodyguard waiting out front
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The Bills are terrible.
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Water is wet. Your turn.
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So is Jersey Shore.
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If you need to punish yourself, the Niners-Falcons game is being called by Stockton, Mora and Davis.
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The devolution of Carson Palmer continues.
LMAO
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I saw that Steve Smith was walking slowly off the field and then was carted to the dressing room. Anyone see how he got hurt?
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He got his panties in a knot.
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Fabian Washington would've had a pick there but he got scared (justifiably) of Ngata. Ha.
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who wouldn't , big boy called for ball.
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"Good coverage on Mike Wallace," says Phil Simms, as the replay clearly shows him wide open in the end zone.
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Hole-in-Zone was all over him on that play. :)
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Steven Jackson has the 2nd most rushing yards for the Rams ever.
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The Packers look awful today. The Lions will probably find a way to lose this game (because that's what they do), but they have really been more impressive than Green Bay.
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This 49ers drive has back breaking turnover written all over it.
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Said backbreaking turnover being a Matty Ice interception, only for the interceptor to fumble it. Atlanta better thank Tebow for their second chance.
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That was killer. Pretty bad pass by Ryan.
I don't see what Tebow has to do with this.
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After everything he accomplished in college, he cemented his status as one of the "football gods".
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Seahawks self-destructing now. Some defender took his helmet off in celebration after stuffing Jackson, 15 yard penalty.
On the Rams side, up 14 with < 5 mins left, maybe it's time to rest your start runningback with a sore groin.
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Matt Ryan picked off by Nate Clemens, who runs it back inside the 10 and then fumbles the ball and the Falcons recover.
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I can't see the game but it sounds like (and from the stat box) that my 49ers and the falcons are each trying to give the game over... and failing t doing so well.
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It does have a bit of that feel.
Falcons marching back down the field now, nearly in FG territory.
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To be fair, it was a really nice strip by Roddy White. If Clemens had just gone down though, the game was over.
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Omar Tardlin's terrible game management/clock management and trust in the prevent loses the game at the end.
fark this idiot
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At what point do Lions fans drive to NYC and picket the NFL offices?
You can't get jobbed by the refs more than the Lions are @ GB today.
Yes, Detroit has had some foot-shooting dumb penalties, but when Charles Woodson is molesting wideouts and the penalties are 13 vs. 3 it's gone beyond "home field advantage".
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Complaining about the ratio of penalties assumes that both teams have in actuality committed about the same amount of penalties. Which of course is not always the case.
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What's cooler than being Joe Cool?
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FOX switches to Panthers-Saints in time to see a laser strike by Clausen, wow. That throw was breathtaking.
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Re: Ravens/Steelers - they flagged #57 for holding on the Steelers' final punt. Looked to me like it was in the endzone, but the announcers didn't go into it all (Simms, go figure). I thought holding in the endzone was a safety? Anybody else see it and can enlighten me?
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i was wondering the same thing. i think this was within the final 2:00, so it should have been a booth review. ravens maybe get another apology this week. the officiating wasn't great in the game, but at least it didn't favor any one side.
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Panthers try to run to set up a shorter FG and lose yards.
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Then Clausen gets sacked. So anti-climatic.
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And then takes forever to get that play off, even if it was complete the game was over.
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What the hell were the Panthers doing? Even if that pass were completed, the clock would have run out before they could have lined up for another play or a field goal attempt.
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When did Les Miles take over the Panthers?
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And Tennessee probably just lost the game on a 49-yd DPI call to put the Broncos at the 1. Denver needs a TD, but assuming they score Titans won't have time to.
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The Broncos then scored, so Tennessee would get the ball with about 1:30 to go, but they fumbled the kickoff return, so Denver has the ball, up 3, with 1:31 to go.
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Special Teams snafus cost the Titans at least two of their first three games last season. Titans ST started the Steelers game this year allowing a kickoff return for a touchdown and then fumbled when the Steelers kicked off - a return TD and ST turnover in a game they only lost by one score. Today, down three with more than a minute-and-a-half, two timeouts, and strong wind at the their back, the Titans had another special teams turnover, costing themselves any real chance of a comeback. How does Alan Lowry still have his job?
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Special teams didn't cost the Titans the game. The Titans scored on a 98-yard kickoff return where the returner wasn't even touched earlier in the game. Also, the ST turnover at the end of the game was a really tough play on a funny bounce of the ball--I don't think you can fault their coach for that at all. It's just one of those plays, I don't think there was anything they could have done. Their ST looked good overall if you ask me.
If you're looking for someone to blame, I'd put it on their OC Heimerdinger. They had several nice gains in the 1st quarter on misdirection plays where the Broncos entire defense bit--then they proceeded to call ONE misdirection play for the rest of the entire game. Whoever is calling plays for them needs to be sacked immediately, he is not taking advantage of the talent on that offense at all.
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"....a really tough play on a funny bounce."
You are not supposed to let kickoffs bounce. That's a live ball. Also, it's an oblate spheroid that is not going to take a true bounce in any sense. A good returner catches the ball in the air and never lets it bounce. If the regular return man is too deep, one of the up men is supposed to catch it.
That was absolutely a fail by the Titans' special teams.
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Poster beat me to it.
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Falcons make the 43 yard FG to eke out a win they didn't deserve.
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To be fair, it was the 49ers...
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That hurts as a 49er fan to read that... and have to agree.
Calling us awful is probably about the best you can do. I guess that means we're currently fighting forthe #1 pick now ?
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The 49ers are not in the running there. There are a good handful of teams that are clearly worse. (Lions, Bills, Raiders... ok, at least three.)
The 49ers have a solid defense but they really suffer on offense from having an inadequate QB.
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Classic Addai there, jumped side to side like 3 times without moving forward.
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Garrard scores a TD with an option keeper. Awesome.
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Great line by Buck "First it was Hobbs, and now it's Calvin"
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David Garrard wants in on Indy's run D (or lack thereof).
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Helps when they don't call obvious holding.
Brackett would've had him [a mere 8 or so yards downfield] but was blatantly held. No call.
The tackling was piss poor on that drive.
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Continuing on "The Misadventures of Inadequate Starters at the Quarterback Position", Derek Anderson responsibly throws a pick.
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TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!!!!!
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Aikman said that Jacksonville has a "pretty average offense." Okay Troy...
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Fred Davis completely misjudges a perfectly catchable ball and McNabb gets blamed. Some things don't change...
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Troy Aikman: Philly fans aren't booing the opposition, they're booing their own team.
Somehow that is supposed to be better.
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TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS AGAIN!!!! CHRIS COOLEY WOOHOO!!!!!!
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Why did the Eagles trade that McNabb guy?
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I'm going to get a real kick out of it if the Redskins can crush the Eagles with McNabb having a huge game.
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Is there a reason Arian Foster doesn't have any carries?
I wasn't aware that he was hurt. And I thought he was still starting.
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looks like a disciplinary action. not a big fan, need his pts today
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Ugh, horrible tackling by the Redskins there.
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a) #50 is Wheeler
b) Clint's last name is SESSION.
Fouts is unbearable.
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It surprises me that more of Vick's passes aren't tipped at the line.
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Vick hurt, Kolb in. This is too much.
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He's heading to the locker room. So much for "The Michael Vick Experience, Part II" (for now).
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Switching to Kolb has to be a good thing for the Eagles at this point.
Did you see the play Vick got injured on? He got sandwiched between two defenders squarely hitting both of his shoulders at the exact same time--OUCH. The human body isn't designed to take forces like that.
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Yeah. I got hurt watching that.
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People not named Derek Anderson have scored for the Cardinals.
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Kolb drops the snap, manages to pick it up, and gets the pass batted at the line.
As comic book guy would say: ugliest. play. ever.
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Yeah, that was horrendous. Kolb's starting to look like a prime candidate for the journeyman QB/solid backup career path. Of course, he's got time to change that, if he gets the opportunity, but it's looking a little more likely right now.
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Are Aikman and Buck even paying attention to the game?
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The Redskins have the worst tackling defense I've ever seen. Fortunately, Eagles ballcarriers keep running directly into defenders.
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The Eagles and Colts are giving them a strong run for that title...
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What I take from this exchange is that neither of you watched very much of the 2005 Texans. I don't blame you. Wish I hadn't either.
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Maroney is SLOW. If he keeps this up, NE can take him back.
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They can have him NOW. Bad RBs set up 2nd and 9. Maroney sets up 2nd and 14. And I wish I was kidding. The blocking was horrible today, I'll grant him that, but my goodness he's awful.
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I didn't want to appear like one of those knee jerk reaction types...but yea, now would be good.
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Maroney looked worthless all game. For some reason, McDaniels gave him the ball instead of Buckhalter on the clock-killing drive and he nearly fumbled it back.
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Belichick has practically built his career on snookering teams out of their draft picks. This just happens to be another example of that.
Of course, he's also developing a reputation for blowing those draft picks on the Shawn Crables and Chad Jacksons and Laurence Maroneys of the NFL...
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...and the Richard Seymours and Vince Wilforks and Tom Bradys and Logan Mankins and Jerod Mayos and...
For a team that is allegedly a terrible drafting organization, the Pats seem to manage to win a lot of games.
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Eagles are demonstrating their 2 minute prowess.
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Apparently it takes Kolb 15 second to run from the sideline to the huddle.
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I love how the announcers spent ten minutes lambasting the officials and making up gross miscarriages of the playclock, until they realized the Eagles just hadn't bothered to get back to the line.
This was an eminently winnable game. Andy Reid - who I respect immensely otherwise - needs to have his mom pin a stopwatch to his lapel before he leaves the house on gameday.
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LMAO @ the Beagles .
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Have you ever made a post that added something to the conversation? Anything at all?
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Have you had your ever had your manpon changed ?
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It would be nice though if you explained WHY you were "LMAO." Just saying that without an explanation is rather useless.
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"Just saw a replay of the Calvin Johnson TD for Detroit. Did anyone else cringe when he tossed the ball in the air in celebration immediately after he caught it? That loos dangerously close to being called incomplete like in week 1."
yeh, we need more stunning insight like this jicamas to clementines comparison, since you know, in week one he went to the ground, and on this play , he was standing up the whole time.
keep chiming in with far superior level of insightful commentary (which of course misinforms the reader who isn't watching the game/highlight by making it seem he went to the ground).
not my fault if nobody else here has Sunday Ticket and watching all the games, besides, it was 90 minutes into a Beagles game, 99% chance clock management is the issue.
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Nice Ad Hominem. But you still didn't explain what you were talking about. Apparently it had something to do with clock management but I must be an imbecile for not being able to read your mind. I guess it probably doesn't even matter.
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Smith performs highway robbery on Peyton Manning and Dallas Clark by intercepting Manning after Clark dropped a pass while taking a nasty hit.
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It was Eldridge.
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There goes Manning's flawless opening to the season. Just threw it into double coverage to Brody freakin' Eldrich for some reason and ALMOST got it in, but the Jaguars deflected it, then returned it 49 yards.
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He did get it in. Eldridge was open. The throw was about a foot off the mark and a guy like that doesn't have the hands/experience the other guys do to make the catch.
Kind of a miraculous shoestring catch by Smith.
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. accidental double post.
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Aikman and Buck don't like a call at the end of the 2nd quarter, and Fox brings in Mike Pereira who explains that the refs actually did call it correctly. After halftime, Aikman and Buck are STILL talking about how they don't understand the call! Ugh. Those two are just stupid.
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The next time Pereira says the refs were wrong will be the first.
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Robert Morse in "How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying..." Pereira does it the company way...
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Aikman was actually blaming the refs for a delay of game penalty that the Eagles took. And it's not like he referred to the clock or anything. He just said that the refs must have screwed it up. No explanation, no nothing.
I live in the DC area. The locals here despise Aikman and wonder how he gets assigned to pretty much every single Cowboy game on Fox. And when the Cowboys have a bye week, he gets the NFC East matchup between the Eagles and Redskins. We think he hates the Skins more than the Eagles, and needs to find ways to deny that anything good or righteous should go the way of the Redskins.
When the delay of game call was made, we tried to figure out exactly what Aikman was saying. We first thought he was making fun of Reid, who is notorious for bad clock management. But no, to our shock Aikman actually blamed the refs. This is the first time I've ever heard any commentator blame the refs for a delay of game call.
Really, it reminds me of the Geico caveman criticizing the whistle to start the second half.
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100% agreed about Aikman. I absolutely abhor FOX for torturing us like this. And Aikman does seem to hate the Redskins, more than the Eagles or anyone else, yet Fox continues to stick him in there...
On the bright side, their "A" camera team did get some really nice shots tonight.
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Can anyonwe explain what the Jaguars are doing to limit Manning? Vick was cutting that defense up not long time ago...
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Red zone turnovers, no big plays, and limiting possessions with long slow drives by both teams. Colts have 6 possessions so far, with 2 touchdown drives (11 plays each), 2 three-and-outs, and 2 drives to the red zone that ended in turnovers (1 fumble by Wayne fighting for the first down, and 1 interception off a dropped/broken up pass).
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Not drafting a defensive end in the first round if the NFL Draft works wonders...
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Hmm... D. Anderson benched. Max Hall in for the Cards.
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*Checks pulse*
For some reason, I am not shocked at this turn of events.
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If there was any chance of another QB controversy this week in Philly, Kevin Kolb is putting it to rest. Only injury will keep Vick out next week.
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Kolb scrambles on third down, gets hit from behind, fumbles (eagles recovers). Boo bird at the Linc.
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Manning sure was lucky to not throw his 2nd INT
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I just got home. Why is Kolb in for the Eagles?
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Cuz the dummies traded McNabb.
Or did you want "Vick hurt, shoulder"?
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I forgot to specify, I just got home today, not I just got home after waking up from a year-long coma. Thanks for the explanation that covers both possibilities.
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Actually, I may by wrong about the shoulder. If someone else says something different believe them and not me.
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Vick injury - rib and chest.
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Reid decided to go with a short, ineffectual passing game. Kolb is executing it perfectly.
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I don't think the sideline routes were really all that stupid - they DID manage to move the ball up the field more effectively than any of his attempts at longer throws earlier. Especially in the face of a not-bad effort by the Skins secondary.
It's just a pity Kolb couldn't push the ball farther earlier, and that either he or the coaches pissed away a relatively easy TD by trying to read through the works of Proust during a single time out.
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It doesn't matter who QB Eagles is; the Redskins will pressure him and destroy the pocket around him, but can't manage to actually bring him down before he scrambles for 10 yards. I guess the difference is Kolb scrambles for 10 where Vick might have scrambled for much more.
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Wow a 59 yard game winnrer
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59 yard field goal!
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That false start is absolutely unforgiveable
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Carlos Rogers drops a game-clinching interception. Raise your hand if you're surprised.
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Not only does Mike Shanahan get a win, but it has to end with the ball in DeAngelo Hall's hands? Boo.
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I almost had a heart attack as an Eagles receiver gets both hands on a hail-mary in the end zone, but can't hold on. Thank goodness--that was too close.
The Redskins now own first place in the NFC East!
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How does Avant drop that pass? I mean, I've seen plenty of clutch drops by Eagles receivers over the years, but seriously - he gets an uncontested Hail Mary, and drops it? Ugh.
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Are you serious? I mean sure, he got both hands to the ball and could have made the play, but uncontested? That's a ridiculous description of events.
A failed Hail Mary at the end was not the primary reason the Eagles lost that game......
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I'm not saying the Eagles deserved to win the game, but given that no Redskins player laid a hand on Avant or the ball, uncontested is a valid description of the play. (Granted, it was a jumping attempt, so going to the ground somebody could have hit him, but nevertheless, he dropped the ball without any direct contact from the defense).
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He had two defenders between him and the ball. It sailed between their hands and landed in his, and the only reason THAT happened was a pretty immense stroke of luck on Kolb's part.
Whoever sold the Eagles on the idea that Kevin Kolb was a better fit in the NFL than McNabb had better start polishing their résumé.
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We have now confirmed why Kevin Kolb got canned.
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Maybe I've missed the explanation. But why was Woodson's interception where he dove into the endzone, hit the group and the ball popped out ruled OK, but Calvin Johnson's endzone catch in week 1 ruled no good?
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Because he had completed the catch and established possession well before he got to the end zone. Once he crossed the plane, the play was over. Johnson hadn't established possession yet.
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I mean hit the ground of course
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Awesome misadventures in punting in New Jersey.
And does Jay Cutler get danger money? Because that O-line is rubbish
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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Wow, it's quiet around here. Cutler just threw a terrific WTF? pick
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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The Second Coming of Favre continues.
(Note: I typed this in the wrong window at first and it would have made no sense to anyone here as I first wrote it. I decided to clarify instead of just deleting it.)
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Are the Bears going to have every ball bounce straight to them this year?
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Cutler is trying to make Derek Anderson and Kevin Kolb look downright competent in comparison.
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Although to be honest the worst thing about this game isn't Cutler, it's the fact that the Giants only have 3 points.
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The Bears are making the Giants defense look like a Giants defense. Which is new this year.
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I don't have access to a TV, but the play-by-play says Cutler fumbled on three consecutive dropbacks?
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Apparently he thinks he can hold the ball for 9 seconds per drop.
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Every play he is being blind sided by the Giants D Line
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If Cutler leaves the Meadowlands alive I'll be very impressed.
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If the Giant's punter makes it out alive I'll be impressed
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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Awesome quote by Seubert.
Michaels joked about the changing pronunciation of his name, saying if he got a penalty or did something bad it'd be pronounced a different way. Seubert answered "if I get a penalty, call me Chris Snee."
Preposterous punt. 14 net yards. The Giants should be ahead by 17 or more in this game, but they're leaving the Bears in it. Not good.
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Maybe I scared everyone off of posting tonight ;)
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OK, my viewing experience and knowledge of football is enhanced by "night vision" how, exactly?
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For the love of god why won't this idiot throw the ball?
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Because if he threw the ball every time he got sacked he would 4 INTs instead of 8 sacks.
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double post
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OK, I get the fact that the Bears have a bad line, but Cutler, really needs to get rid of the ball. Seven sacks, and it's not half-time yet, and at least 3 of them were on Cutler.
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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I would say 5 are on Cutler.
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Bears O giving the game to the Giants; Giant's O trying to give it back.
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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That looked like either a legit incomplete pass or a tuck rule at worst.
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Great from Cris Collinsworth:
"someone put a tent over this circus"
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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Manning fumble, Cutler sack. Sheesh.
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Off the top of my head, I think the record for sacks in a game is 12 by the Bears against the Lions in the last game of the 1984 season. The Giants are going to obliterate that record (and Jay Cutler) tonight.
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I think we just ended a sequence of six Cutler sacks in six Cutler dropbacks...
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By halftime if the Bears get the ball back...
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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PFR says 14, but it's from 1952, so I'm not sure how reliable it is.
If you skip that one, the record is 12, which has been done seven times--three times by the Bears. Twice by the Cowboys, too. And, unsurprisingly, the only team to be victim to it twice is the Lions.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/6MeEU
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So six more sacks - which looks ridiculously possible - and the Giants set a new sack record even if the '52 one is good? And the NFL, as far as I can tell, lists 12 as the max for a game, five times dating back to '66. http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/history/pdfs/Records/A... page 9 or page 17.
So I'm not sure what's official here.
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I would bet that the nfl.com stats are official.
Normally, the PFR guys say that they don't have "reliable" sack data before 1969. However, it's also only in the context of measuring the statistics of individual quarterbacks that I remember them saying it. I also don't know what it means to say you don't have "reliable" sack data--does it mean the data is incomplete, or that you get conflicting data, or what?
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Sacks were not an official stat until ~1963 IIRC.
They were measured before but like other unofficial stats, with poor consistency and some missing data.
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Much later than that - 1982.
Legend has it that Deacon Jones would clearly hold the sack record if anybody had been counting during his career.
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Team sacks were a tracked statistic well before sacks for individual players, IIRC.
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This is starting to remind me of the 12-sack game the Giants pitched against the Eagles in 2007 (?). Ay carumba - Winston Justice was like a turnstile out there.
ETA: Yep, 2007. http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/21072362/
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apparently that last play before the punt became sack #9. Hilarious.
What's the record for sacks in a half?
Quick, Eli, turn the ball over so they can hit Cutler some more.
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While you can't see the coverage from the TV, I fail to believe that no-one is open on any of these plays. -9 passing yards and 9 sacks is awesome. If Cutler can't throw, who's on the bench?
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
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That would be Todd Collins on the Bears' bench. I'm not entirely sure that would improve things.
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EDIT: Todd Collins, according to the actual depth chart. I guess Caleb Hanie got demoted.
I watched Hanie play in college at Colorado State, and never would have guessed he would be an NFL prospect. Shows what I know, I guess.
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Hanie looks really good every preseason, and Mel Kiper was in love with him for whatever that's worth.
He got demoted because he got hurt this year and they didn't have a chance to evaluate him with the new offense.
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How about a some first down runs. And if Cutler can't bring himself to throw the ball away before running out of bounds in the backfield, how about benching him. I feel like I'm watching Henry Burris again.
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Are all these sacks due somewhat to the constant vertical routes? Does the Martz playbook not include any mid-range crossing stuff?
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If the Bears are going to win this game, it looks like it will take a defensive or special teams TD. Maybe both. We know the Bears can do this and have done this before in prime time - when the Bears were who we thought they were. Will the Giants let 'em off the hook?
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Martz is just as responsible for this nonsense as Cutler and the O-line. He needs to stop calling plays having the WRs running routes 20 yards down field. At this point everything should be 3 step drops and short routes. But this is Martz we're talking about...
Pretty much everyone associated with the offense is responsible for this stupidity.
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Martz called a godawful game.
Long after it was established that the Bears could not give more than 2 seconds of pass protection, and long before the game was out of reach, Martz continued to push the same button: pass, pass, pass, pass, pass.
Matt Forte? Ignored.
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Bears get it back inside thier own 10. If the Giants get this right, they'll break the sack record AND get the safety
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A short route? And a completion? To a tight end? I think maybe Lovie decided to take over the offense.
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Martz just staged a coup. sack number 9 follows the first down.
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Nevermind, sack #9. I don't have anything to say any more.
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Okay, is that 9 or 10?
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9. They scratched one off
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This is just terrible. I think I could protect Cutler better, and I'm 5'3" and weigh about 119 lbs. Good lord.
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Not if Cutler keeps refusing to throw the ball you couldn't
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True.
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I'm 6'4' and 180 pounds, and I think I could've gotten a sack on Cutler.
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Officially #9, the last #9 got marked down as incomplete eventually.
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Well the good thing about all the sacks is that now the Giants are just looking for Cutler - so the running game's getting working, ish.
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I have no idea how the Bears aren't already beaten. 3-0 is a travesty
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I'm still trying to get the horrible taste of that Eagles game out of my mouth. Although I was happy that McNabb played okay - not his best game, but he definitely didn't need to bring his "A" game today.
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The Giants have long had the habit of playing down to the opponent's level and letting them hang around in games they should win by double digits.
The 07 NFC title game is a great example. They should've won that game by 2 scores in regulation, but it took the Favre brain fart to hand the game back to them.
Whoops, this was a reply to James.
At least this time it isn't stupid penalties prolonging drives and leading to points.
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Whoa--Collins taking over. I have to admit, this development does surprise me.
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Collins is in, and while part of me just feels bad for Cutler, part of me is hoping he threw a world-class hissy fit and refused to play the second half, sparking a massive controversy and fun as hell headlines here in Chicago.
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Commentators saying Cutler is officially out for now, possible/probable concussion.
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3 & out for the Giants, and no Cutler. Is he hurt, or like Achilles, skulking in his tent?
EDIT: Concussion for Culter. Anyone else thinks he's lucky it's not worse?
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Concussion, apparently, and now a limited playbook for the confused as hell Collins. Looks like no amount of bad Eli can cost them this game. 3 points will likely be enough.
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If this game ends 3-0 that will be horrible. There's no excuse for it. At least the last 3-0 game happened in a hurricane!
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As I said above, the Bears may have to win this game with a defensive or special teams TD. So some amount of bad Eli could cost the Giants if he throws a pick 6.
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Todd Collins, the best drink named NFL quarterback since the White Russian.
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The drink is a Tom Collins. Gin, soda water, sugar, lemon.
However a Redskins fan apparently called his bourbon and ginger ale a Todd Collins.
So the Todd Collins was inspired by confusion over Todd Collins and Tom Collins.
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With Collins in, the Bears offense is suddenly looking competent. Not good - they still can't get a 1st down - but competent. Competent in a might-get-a-FG-eventually way. Is Cutler that bad? But he'd actually been looking okay this year. So I'm just really confused.
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I'm fairly certain its because Cutler had too much confidence at the beginning of the game and got sacked alot. Then after getting sacked alot he had too much hot feet and didn't look downfield enough.
Also the Giants DLine is probably getting tired.
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It looks like Collins isn't using a mouthpiece. Is that even legal? Let alone, impossibly stupid in a game where the other team sacked your QB nine times in the first half?
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What's the book on Jacobs going ballistic tonight?
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Maybe he'll throw Tom Coughlin into the stands.
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Ok Chicago, the good news is your defense got a turnover. The bad news is now you have Todd Collins starting a drive on your 1 yard line.
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What a god awful throw by Eli and great play by Nicks to set up that clinching touchdown.
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I went to school right by Caleb Hanie for at least a little while (I graduated in 2006). Since him succeeding would funnel football players over to CSU instead, I will root for him.
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I graduated from Colorado State in 2005! Pleased to meet you, sir.
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Interesting! My best friend went to CSU. He graduated in 2009, but he actually started in 2003, so he would have been there.
I realize my comment could have meant several schools--I went to CU.
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My brother and girlfriend both graduated from CU in '06 and '07, so I feel no animosity toward Boulder at all. In fact it bothers me to see so many people from either school actually disliking the other town/school/football team. I feel the Buffs are my home team too, and I root for them in all their games except the one vs. CSU every year. The Mile High Showdown is one of my favorite football games, but I wonder if some fans take the shit talking too seriously and forget that we're all friends after it's over... so I'm glad to see someone else hoping Hanie gets a shot in the NFL.
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I honestly hate college football (long explanation that I don't have time for), so I never got into the animosity.
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GOOD JOB CALEB
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I think we need an injury countdown sometime this week. I have completely lost track of the high ankle sprains, concussions and knee injuries to key football players.
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The joys of being a Bears fan are endless.
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Gotta love it when the camera pans to a coach after his team gives up points- good shot of Belichick mouthing "god-dammit" after Bess scored.
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Apparently the Patriots are trying to test Mike Reiss's run to win theory. If they have 20 runs in the first half, that's like a guaranteed victory, right?
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Just tuned in to the 2nd quarter of the Pats-Dolphins game. Seems like the Pats read today's article about running the ball. They are running and running and running. We're close to halftime and neither Welker nor Moss has even been targeted yet.
I do wish the offense would be a bit less schizo.