If you're a Football Outsider you're a TRUE player and true players don't stick to one passion only, so here's something else to excite you while you're waiting for the game to start. How about a free $30 chip to play slot machine games for as long as you want?
Thanks to Tim for reminding me! Here's the Week 5 discussion thread.
Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 10 Oct 2010
292 replies , Last at
12 Oct 2010, 7:28pm by
tuluse
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by TimK :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 12:52pm
My pleasure Bill, cheers! (about 90 second response time as well, that's impressive...)
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by montanapanthersfan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:02pm
Please stop playing like shit, Carolina. Also, boo Judas Peppers!
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by MurphyZero :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:05pm
For the early games I get to choose between TB-Cin and Jax-Buf. And my Steelers are on a bye or I would be at a sports bar in a heartbeat.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by montanapanthersfan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:05pm
...so much for the ST improvement.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by montanapanthersfan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:08pm
And, that's about the worst possible way to open the game.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by phildominator :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:09pm
Red Zone channel is awesome.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by JIPanick :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:13pm
Broncos sack Flacco for 14 yards on 4th and goal at the 1. Game still scoreless.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by montanapanthersfan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:17pm
And our brilliant OC game non-planning continues.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:19pm
Panthers just ran on their last two 3rd and longs. Not draws either, but i-form, line up and hand off. It worked the first time, but not the 2nd.
I believe their first drive consisted entirely of running plays.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:22pm
Wow. Forte looks really good. What's with the Panthers?
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:27pm
Darius Reynaud should be banned from returning punts, after missing the fair catch.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:26pm
The Chiefs opened the game with an unsuccessful onside kick try and now, with the game scoreless and a little over two minutes to go in the first quarter, they are going for it on 4th and 2 on the Indianapolis 8.
Dierdorf was shockingly not horrified by the latter.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:27pm
The fourth down didn't work, either.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by zlionsfan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:26pm
Missouri teams starting off with onside kicks: both St. Louis and Kansas City attempt them, neither was successful.
Mark Clayton going off on a stretcher in the Detroit-St. Louis game. Steven Jackson just wept.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Micranot (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:27pm
Chiefs try an onside kick to start the game which fails, Colts drive and get a FG. Next Chief's possession they march down inside the 10, have 4th and goal from about the 2, go for it and fail again.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Pat Swinnegan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:39pm
I think it was more like 4th down from the 7, which just makes going for it an even more absurd call.
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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:42pm
4th and 2 from the 8.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by TheConfessor :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:29pm
Colts being very patient against a soft deep safeties shell, only 2 passes so far and picking up gobs of yardage on the ground.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:30pm
Jermichael Finley in the locker room, injured making a tackle after a fumble. Backup Donald Lee injures himself celebrating a touchdown. Packers 3rd string TE looks equally effective so far.
TD came on the simple "run to the front of the end zone and turn around" route.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by montanapanthersfan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:31pm
Go, Carolina Bills. or something.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:33pm
Schaub throws a pick to Corey Webster, looking for Kevin Walter in double coverage.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:33pm
Both the Bears and the Panthers should be running the wildcat or something like it. Both these QBs are useless. Get another blocker out there.
Or the Bears could try Hanie who has the potential to not suck.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:35pm
Uh oh. McNabb looks to be having one of his bad games, or "Eli games," ridiculously overthrowing open receivers by eight yards or more.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:38pm
Oh yeah, that's why Philly traded McNabb...
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:19pm
With recent revelations in the sporting world in general, including blood doping in bicycle racing, steroids in baseball and Brian Cushings recent suspension, I can only conclude Clay Matthews is on some kind PED.
Or he is the son of Zeus. I do not know which.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:27pm
It could also be the Matthews family pedigree. That's just a guess, though.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:38pm
I'm going with son of Zeus.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:41pm
SON OF ZEUS! BY THE POWER OF ASGARD!
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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:54pm
Or he is the son of Zeus.
I believe being the son of Zeus counts as pedigree.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:35pm
Idonije just got a sack where the Panthers double teamed Tommie Harris of all players.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:36pm
Hakeem Nicks has been looking good. The short pass he caught to set up Brandon Jacobs' touchdown was a thing of beauty.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:42pm
This Bears game is a blowout in the first quarter. About to be 24-3. The Panthers look terrible at everything that isn't running the ball.
Edit: The TD is getting challenged. It looks good to me, but it probably won't matter with how the Panthers are playing. 4 QB sneaks should get it in if they change the ruling.
Double Edit: They changed the ruling to no TD, and Lovie is challenging that it was a TD. Ruling upheld, no TD.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Mike Y :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:41pm
I am in the Bay Area, I have Comcast, and am supposed to be getting Green Bay-Washington on Fox, but all I have is a blank screen on Fox, and there is no game on CBS. Anyone else having this problem?
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:43pm
You're probably getting two games later.
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by Mike Y :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:00pm
Just called Comcast. They are having "technical difficulties" with KTVU (Fox) at this time in my area, and they are working on it. Meanwhile every other channel works, but no football is on for me. This is torture.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Wikitorix (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:04pm
Go order RedZone. It's awesome!
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:45pm
In a crazy turn of events Chester Taylor might have fumbled at the goalline. Ruled down by contact, Panthers challenging.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:46pm
The Houston Texans refuse to cover Hakeem Nicks.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:48pm
And Carson Palmer throws a pick-six to Cody Grimm...
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:48pm
And then Todd Collins with plenty of time, throws a pick to a defensive lineman.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:50pm
Hakeem Nicks scores his second TD of the day. The Texans' refusal to cover Nicks continues...
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:51pm
Phillip Buchanon gets smoked in a deep zone coverage because he lost track of the receiver, and Troy Aikman gives his $.02 saying, "Buchanon plays it pretty well." Uh no. What kind of sick sadistic f^&% assigns Troy Aikman to broadcast Redskins games anyway?
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by JIPanick :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:58pm
I'm happy as long as he ain't broadcasting Cowboys games. He's so painful to listen to.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:26pm
I assume the Cowboys are playing on CBS today? I'm sure Fox just gives him the most intolerable assignment they can.
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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:30pm
Yes. The Cowboys instead get Phil Simms.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by montanapanthersfan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:53pm
Please let Otah be able to play in two weeks.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:13pm
Are you FireOmarTomlin? You're not as bad as he is, but you both like to post reactions without sufficient explanation. Why go through the trouble to post something if you're not going to explain what happened?
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by montanapanthersfan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:19pm
The reason I'd like Jeff Otah to play is due to the fact that Geoff Schwartz was penciled in to be our starting RG. Since Otah had knee surgery and is out, he's now playing RT at a Kwame Harris level. Our backup center is starting at Right Guard, and is playing just as horribly. These two factors combine to mean that our entire right side of the offensive line is awful, and it often affects the left side as well. And even Jordan Gross (left tackle) has been declining since last year.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:58pm
Backed into their own 1, Ernest Graham rips a big one on the Bengals. Josh Freeman responds by throwing an interception.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 1:59pm
Todd Collins with bad overthrows on back to back plays, 2nd one leads to a interception.
He is d-o-n-e.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Just Another Falcons Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:05pm
Browns defense tightens up coverage twice when Falcons in red zone; forcing 2 FGs.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by montanapanthersfan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:15pm
My God, I think we're actually regressing.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Just Another Falcons Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:16pm
Turner runs for 55 yards to get inside Browns 20, giving Browns red zone defense another time to shine. Now 2nd and 9 at 13 at 2 minute warning.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:19pm
McNabb has had no protection so far, Packers running right by Redskin o-linemen, even without blitzing. They've gotten to him before he can even set up in a 5-step drop. It looks bad so far. He's been extremely elusive so far though, only getting sacked half the time and extending plays.
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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:29pm
And then he makes Clay Matthews miss and fires a strike down the field to Moss.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by JIPanick :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:19pm
Chicago, please stop calling pass plays. Sincerely, Matt Forte fantasy owners.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:34pm
Fans of the Bears and fans of an offense that actually works agree.
Have I mentioned recently that Todd Collins is finished and has nothing left in the tank?
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:37pm
As long as the Panthers keep trying to go 0-16...
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by JIPanick :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:39pm
I'm pretty sure we're past nothing and into the negatives. They'd have been more effective so far if they'd replaced all the called passes with spikes.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by FooBarFooFoo (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:29pm
Could anybody please elaborate why I have to click twice to get here instead of once?
I checked the FAQ, didn't say.
Ad revenue?
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by JIPanick :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:44pm
I'd guess it's because the link here is in an Extra Point format, which always opens a new tab for convenience (so you still have the comments on FO open with the article in question) and it just hasn't been rewired for discussion threads on site. I don't actually know anything.
tl;dr : I think it's a result of the site architecture.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Inmate Number 4... :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:34pm
If they never show the Calvin Johnson TD from week 1 again, I'll be happy. What a disgrace.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Just Another Falcons Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:42pm
Wallace with injured ankle late in first half. Delhomme in.
Ryan sack/fumble to start 2nd half.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Just Another Falcons Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:46pm
Browns kick 19 yd fg after ball flys out of Delhomme's hands on exchange with Hillis.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by montanapanthersfan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:48pm
In the third quarter, QB Panthers and QB Bears have 28 yards passing. Combined.
Now up to a whopping 20 for both squads! With 8:50 left in the third. And 13 first downs for both teams: 9 Chicago, 4 Carolina.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Just Another Falcons Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 2:55pm
Falcons finally strike deep for TD after Brown safety shook up on tackle, out one play, then returns to game.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by TheConfessor :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:03pm
Colts dodge a bullet after a terrible Manning pick sets the Chiefs up at the Colt's 30, three and out after the first throw was what looked to be a touchdown dropped by the receiver (tough catch).
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:03pm
Peyton Manning threw an interception straight to Jon McGraw.
Dwayne Bowe then dropped a touchdown pass.
The Chiefs ended up making a 43-yard field goal and the game is tied.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:04pm
Baltimore copying Peyton Mannings gameplan: Avoid Bailey (Boldin) and pick on Parrish Cox (Housh, Mason). It's working fairly well - Broncos hanging around, though.
I actually like this situation - it keeps McD from handing off to Maroney.
In the beginning of the second half - Orton is getting loads of time, despite the abcense of the runninggame. In the first half it was complete opposite: McD forcing the run and Orton getting herrased.
Fouts tries to coin a new nickname: Fearsome Foursome - regarding Lloyd-Royal-Thomas-Gaffney. Really, Dan?
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:05pm
I don't know what to make of the fact that Detroit is currently blowing somebody out of the water. This is a new and bizarre experience for me, which long distrust of the franchise leads to suspect can only end in an epic meltdown.
Sincerely,
This (and every other) Lions fan
PS. I suppose it might be a sign we're finally getting better... but I'm dubious.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:11pm
You must be deeply traumatized by so many years of Millen! No, the Lions are truly getting better. Schwartz has done an excellent job building a team out there. Look at their defense: replace C.C. Brown, add a linebacker and another DE, and you've got yourself a playoff team!
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:16pm
Replace Detroit with New York and Lions with Giants, and you have a good idea of how Giants fans are feeling after Eli's (second) interception leads to a Houston touchdown.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:09pm
As a matter of fact, there's no need to worry, as both teams put away their respective games.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:08pm
Jermichael Finley is standing on the sideline on crutches, in green sweat pants and a tee shirt. Yet they keep saying his return to the game is "questionable." There is nothing "questionable" about it, he's OUT! The NFL injury reporting system is a farce.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:12pm
Ravens stuffing it down Broncos' throats. Broncos selfdestructs: 9 penailties (3 holds, 1 DPI) with 4 minutes to go in the 3rd. The three holdings have wiped out about 50 yards of Eddie Royal gains.
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by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:14pm
Ray Rice is looking healthy today, which is a gooooood sign for the Ravens.
...holy crap Denver looks bad.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by JIPanick :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:16pm
Denver always looks bad on the east coast. I'm not too concerned.
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by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:20pm
Division is still wide open, yeah. Not a huge deal, but I really didn't expect them to get shut down this badly.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by JIPanick :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:24pm
Zero run game, but Orton's getting nearly 10 YPA atm...it's the defense that's getting killed.
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by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:27pm
Right, but Orton's two good drives have come against an inexplicably soft zone at half, and now one down by 17 points. I don't think FO stats will be particularly impressed even though he's had a decent day considering the defense.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:16pm
Ray Rice owners can draw a sign of relief - he's looking good. Might be the Broncos sucking, but he's dominating.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:18pm
If his knee isn't creaking, he'll be back to his 2009 self. Which is good because Bmore might realize that giving carries to McGahee in short yardage is not necessary.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by montanapanthersfan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:17pm
Charles Godfrey gets the Panthers' fourth int on the day, on third and thirteen.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:18pm
The explanation is very simple: Ray Rice will not be denied.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:21pm
Todd Collins has 6 completions and 4 interceptions. That is all.
Edit: actually one more thing. Forte is averaging 10 yards per carry, but has 14 carries to Collins's 16 attempts.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:31pm
...and yet the Bears are up. How? Jimmy Clausen.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:12pm
Special teams and Matt Forte. He had 100 yards rushing in the 1st quarter I believe.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by MurphyZero :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 6:44pm
101 yards on his first 4 carries.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:28pm
Broncos down 24-7 on the Ravens 19 yard line facing 4th and 3... kicks a FG. Why? Isn't this weird, or is this Walshs chart speaking?
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:30pm
They're probably banking on Cameron bringing in McGahee to fumble.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:59pm
On the previous play, it looked like the Bronco receiver caught a pass for a first down but it was ruled incomplete, and McDaniels doesn't challenge it on a massive coaching FAIL.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:30pm
Tamba Hali is an absolute terror - he's getting into Mannings head! Manning is looking horrible out there.
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by TheConfessor :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:31pm
What is up with Manning? On 3rd and 11 under no pressure botches a throw to Collie that only would have picked up 5 yards even if it was complete.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:37pm
Manning and Wayne on different pages. Colts up 12-9 though.
Addai without pads on the sidelines. The hit looked like it could cause a concussion.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:40pm
The worst thing by far in football, is when your team is down in the fourth quarter, and just cannot stop the run. Rice having his way with the Broncos.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Just Another Falcons Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:41pm
Order one for the Biermann! He deflects the Delhomme pass, makes the catch, and rumbles 30 yards for the TD! 20-10 Falcons.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:43pm
YAY JAKE
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by Just Another Falcons Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:46pm
More like an incredible play on Biermann's part; he really got up in the air to deflect the pass.
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by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:53pm
Yeah, that was pretty crazy. Just saw the highlight. Seneca Wallace is still *way* better than Delhomme.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:44pm
Broncos knows the run is comming every single first and second down. They just gave up a 30 yard TD to Willis "the lightning" McGahee.
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Colts
by Purds :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:52pm
Look incredibly average this year.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Just Another Falcons Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:54pm
This time, the INT is on Delhomme. Throwing under heavy pressure by Abraham, but the ball bounces off Alex Mack's helmet.
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by TheConfessor :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:57pm
All over in Indy, down by 10 Chiefs miss a FG with a little over a minute left.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:01pm
Do the Packers play with different PI rules than anyone else? That's THREE Redskin drives now that have been ended due to uncalled pass interference on the Packers. This is more than just regular ref crew inconsistency--this is as bad as the way they don't call traveling in basketball. On the most recent penalty, a flag was thrown, but another ref talked the crew out of making the right call.
Yes, the Redskins need to play better in several areas to win the game. But at what point do we legitimately blame the refs for blowing this game? It's just not fair the way they're calling it.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:08pm
FOUR drives now ended on uncalled PI. Thank goodness Graham Gano made a 45yd FG to tie it at 13 with a minute left, but it would have been a first down if Santana Moss wasn't getting tackled before he had a chance to catch the football. If the Redskins lose this game it's safe to blame the refs as much as anything the 'Skins did.
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by tuluse :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:13pm
It's not different rules, they just grab receivers every play and hope they don't get seen or the refs get tired of throwing flags.
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by DEW (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:57pm
Speaking as the husband of a Colts fan...I must say "thank you" to Todd Haley for bad call after bad call. 51-yard FG attempt vs. getting 4 yards on 4th-and-4?
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 3:57pm
The Chiefs ran out the field goal unit but the holder oddly remained on the sideline. They got it off, but Succoup missed, so the game is over.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:12pm
Rodgers keeps passing to a guy named Quarless.. Who? Meanwhile Greg Jennings has two cathes why? (other than the fact i own im in FF).
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:14pm
Because it's DeAngelo Hall's defense?
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by galactic_dev :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 12:50am
Seriously, why haven't they tried to throw to Jennings in the last 3 weeks? All he catches are touchdowns.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:13pm
MASON CROSBY HITS THE POST, MISSING A 53-YD GAME WINNING FG! Whoa. Too close.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:15pm
What in the world happened on the last play of the game?
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:15pm
Trent Williams: When you get the interception with the game tied and a second left, you go down IMMEDIATELY after you catch the ball. You do NOT try to be the hero by trying to make it a pick-six.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:17pm
I disagree. Gotta try to run by some 300 pound linemen, who's not used to tackling duty.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:19pm
Yeah. I say you go for hero in that situation. Just make sure you hold onto the ball.
The chances of you fumbling and it getting returned for a TD have to lower than 50%, which is the chance the other team gets the ball.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:23pm
Now that I think about it, good point. Although if Marty Schottenheimer were reading this message board, he would probably be cursing A.J. Smith.
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:25pm
You have to fumble it, the other team has to recover it, and they have to return it for six. There's got to be at most 1 or 2 percent chance of that happening. Has it ever?
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Re: Week 5 Open Discussion Thread
by Arkaein :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 9:49pm
You know that Trent Williams was the WAS lineman who was injured making (trying to make?) the tackle on the return, while Tramon Williams was the INT returner? GB didn't get anyone injured attempting the return.
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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:17pm
WAS vs GB in OT. McNabb threw up a hail mary with 1 second left that was returned to the WAS 30 yard line. Also, Trent Williams went down on the play, which is not good for WAS pass protection. And GB won the toss.
McNabb looks like he wishes he was back in Philly, but I am not sure the Eagles O-line is any better...
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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:44pm
Open foot, insert mouth...
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:19pm
The Black Ho...uh, Oakland, blocks a punt and the Raiders get a safety.
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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:26pm
Awesome. My Fantasy Team is in complete meltdown today. Schaub played like a backup, Boldin caught one pass for 8 yards, MJD sprained his wrist and Deangelo Williams reminded me why you do not start "stud" players who start for awful teams.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:36pm
My situation: I panicked about Green Bay's D (should have known better by now) and tried to play matchups by starting Todd Collins instead (since the Panthers are terrible). I have a huge lead anyway (I have no idea how this worked out), but McNabb would have iced it, whereas now it's Philip Rivers (opponent's QB) vs my huge lead. I think my lead's probably going to lose that one.
Lesson learned: on a Sunday morning when you just woke up and aren't thinking straight, leave year fantasy lineup alone. Don't even open your browser.
by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:45pm
Yeah, McNabb is sitting comfortably on my bench next to Ryan Matthews.
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by Harris :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:55pm
Orton and Brandon Lloyd are laughing at me from the bench.
Hail Hydra!
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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:04pm
Through a combination of injuries and bye weeks, I was forced (Seriously forced--the only choice I had on my lineup this week was which free agent defense to sign.) to start Orton, Lloyd, and Gaffney, none of whom I drafted. I'm feeling pretty lucky at this point.
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:05pm
Who's Hydra?
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:08pm
*curiously* For real?
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by Harris :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:10pm
Something I created to honor Jim Johnson. I guess I should take down. McDermott doesn't run the same defense. I'll probably come up with something to acknowledge Dick Jauron when he takes over the defense next year.
Hail Hydra!
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by bigtencrazy (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:21pm
Wow, Clifton was stuck in cement on that one. Rodgers never had a chance.
The local GB writers are slowly beginning a chant that Rodgers cannot win close games. That he did everything possible to get the team in position will be ignored if Packers lose.
I like the GB writers because in most cases it is good football writing. But in this area it's just weird.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:24pm
Well, so far he doesn't throw close games away with game-breaking INTs, so obviously he's not as clutch as Favre.
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by bigtencrazy (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:22pm
McNabb is carving them up.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:23pm
That was one hell of a way to get the first W of the season, Detroit.
In other news, the NFC West is amazingly terrible, I don't have any other possible conclusions at this point. And I *like* two of the teams usually.
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:33pm
Arizona has no starting QB. Seattle looks like a Jekyll & Hyde team. San Fransisco suffers from close-game losses, blowouts, miscommunication, and Alex Smith-itis. The Rams are improving, but still growing...
Suffice to say, there will be some pretty pissed off teams come playoff time.
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by bigtencrazy (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:24pm
BJ Raj is looking like a real player.
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by DEW (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:24pm
I find it interesting that so far, Dallas has 3 DPI calls on the first drive, and of those three, one resulted in the touchdown catch and another one ended up being dropped by the WR. So...if you're going to interfere and give up 30+ yards, shouldn't you at least make sure that the receiver doesn't have the chance to catch the ball?
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by tuluse :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:28pm
That TD reception was terrible awareness by the corner. That should have been broken up or possible intercepted, but he has no idea where he is, just runs into the receiver when he goes back for the ball, and then lets him go instead of holding on.
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by bigtencrazy (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:24pm
Poppinga? That guy s*cks most of the time
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:25pm
Tampa Bay wins on a last-minute field goal.
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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:33pm
Cedric Benson, Terrel Owens, Chad Ochocinco, Carson Palmer. These are your offensive play makers. What is the problem? I vote for Palmer.
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by bigtencrazy (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:26pm
The one thing I do fault Rodgers for is that several times in the second time the Packers had third and short and he went downfield and ignored guys open underneath.
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by bigtencrazy (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:26pm
Ballgame
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:31pm
Chargers march towards worst ST evar! LMAO.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:34pm
Amazing. San Diego's special teams DVOA might actually go DOWN from its minus twentywhatever this week!
Two blocked punts for a safety and a touchdown, AND a kick out of bounds in the first FIVE MINUTES.
At this point, if I'm Norv Turner I'm playing the rest of the game as if it's four down territory.
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by bigtencrazy (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:33pm
Like I wrote, Poppinga normally stinks
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by FooBarFooFoo (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:35pm
... must have missed that the Chargers hired Bonamego during the week.
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:41pm
Charles Woodson blatantly tackles a receiver while the ball is in the air, gets called for PI, and starts yelling at the ref? What a dick! Does he not think he interfered there?
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by bigtencrazy (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:38pm
Post 142:
My guess is that he is frustrated by the fact that his offense couldn't take a half dozen opportunities and do anything.
Any Redskins fan should appreciate the Packers largesse. Green Bay has given away two games this year.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:40pm
Young might be improving as a passer, but his throwing motion is still corrupt. A lot of side-arming and throwing on one leg going on.
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by Still Alive (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:40pm
What is going on with SD special teams? Do they not practice it? I mean come on....
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by bigtencrazy (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:43pm
Sure GB is banged up but up 10 you have to put the foot on the throat. Rodgers refusing to check down on 3rd and shorts killed the offense. It was just bizarre. I can remember 3 distinct plays where a GB guy was open by five yards and Rodgers went longer down the field which is clearly the lower percentage play.
Any GB fans explain this odd behavior? Because it is costing them games.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:46pm
Goal line fumble by Tolbert gives Oakland the ball, as San Diego continue to implode.
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:51pm
It's Norv Turner's mind games: Every September, he starts off horrible to make people believe the Chargers are not up to snuff. Then they destroy opponents in the winter time.
It's his thing. You just gotta let him do his thing.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:59pm
And now Rivers is strip-sacked and Oakland recover.
For those who are counting:
- Two blocked punts (one through the endzone for a safety, one recovered for a touchdown).
- One kick out of bounds.
- Two fumbles recovered by the defense.
75% of Oakland's points occurred on plays which began with San Diego in possession of the ball, and the other 25% came on a short drive after a San Diego mistake. Crazy.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:56pm
And now Rivers fumbles.
I would really like to like the Chargers, but when they're this bad and there's no good reason for me to root for them, what can I do? Answer: laugh at the misery and root for the Raiders here instead, only to be disappointed as they fall apart in the 4th quarter and find a new way to lose.
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by Still Alive (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:50pm
You know I have been a staunch defender of Norv (as an average coach (as opposed to abysmal)), but after this season I am starting to wonder if he is indeed a huge liability.
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by RickD :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:58pm
Tomlinson's rebirth on the Jets has to be yet another factor counting against Norv.
He's really not a good coach. The longer he stays at San Diego, the more the team's fundamentals and discipline decay. I don't think they'll make the playoffs this year.
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 6:01pm
Is there anything surprising about this? When Schottenheimer was fired, the Chargers were coming off a 14-2 season. That was their peak, and they have slowly gotten worse and worse as Schotty's influence waned and Norv's waxed.
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:59pm
The short answer: Yes.
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by tuluse :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:03pm
He's been promoted too far. He's a good offensive coordinator, but should be no more.
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:06pm
Alex Smith agrees with that statement.
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by RickD :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 4:55pm
Packers lose a game they should have won easily given their dominance of the first half. I remember watching them go for 4th and goal in the first quarter, when they were already up 7-0, and thinking to myself "Is there something wrong with a 10 point lead?" Few things give life to a team on the ropes better than a successful goal line stand.
Especially after they had been stopped short on 2nd and goal and 3rd and goal from inside the 5, it seemed like all they were doing was building up the Redskins' confidence. It really seems to me that teams that cannot get 1 yard on 3rd and goal from the 1 rarely get that yard on 4th down.
Good comeback by the Redskins, who had no rushing game at all. Big-time choke by the Packers, who again look like something less than a Super Bowl team.
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by bigtencrazy (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:00pm
Rick:
Agreed. The team has talent but incredibly poor tactical decision-making coupled with apparently a team focus on big plays at the expense of extending drives or ending drives is sabotaging a season.
Pretty incredible.
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by RickD :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:05pm
Hey, the Titans have shown up this week! Meanwhile, the Cowboys come off a bye week looking very flat.
I'm going to guess that Wade Phillips heard all the criticism of Norv Turner and though "Hey! I can coach as badly as that guy!!"
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by tuluse :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:08pm
Romo is going down easy this game. If a defender brushes against him, he's down on the ground.
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by bigtencrazy (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:10pm
It's becoming more and more clear that McCarthy should be an offensive coordinator.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:12pm
The danish announcers critisize the Cowboys for calling a NINE-step drop for Romo. Replay shows a three-step drop from a pistol formation. That isn't even their worst comment today.
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by tuluse :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:17pm
Don't worry we have Phil Simms in America, you aren't missing anything.
Actually, he's been surprisingly lucid today, or maybe I'm just becoming desensitized.
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by billsfan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 6:35pm
Right until he explained that Tony Romo *had* to throw that INT ball really high because of a jumping defender (who left his feet after Romo released it).
(I also like the Eagles)
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by CathyW :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:14pm
Does Wade Phillips have another expression besides befuddled?
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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:15pm
No.
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by Harris :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:18pm
Clearly you've never seen the man sitting before a slice of warm peach cobbler. Glee doesn't even begin to describe it.
Brooking had a shot to take down Ringer at the LOS and whiffed. There are few players whose failure I enjoy more than Brooking.
Hail Hydra!
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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:20pm
You are correct that I have not seen that, at least as far as I can remember (I was 9 years old when the Broncos fired him).
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by RickD :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:19pm
Asleep.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:15pm
Hmm rule-question: Cowboys gets 27 yards on a second and 32. Flag. A defensive offside forces Cowboys's LT to hold, yet the penalties offset - repeat 2nd down. This doesn't seem fair, does it?
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by RickD :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:20pm
Offensive lineman have to know to not hold when an offsides flag has been thrown.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:26pm
If the DE has a step before the snap, there is NO WAY a Tackle can stay in his stance risking his QBs life in the process. It's impossible to react to a flag that quickly, unless it's thrown directly into his field of vision.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:20pm
Max Hall nearly died on the field.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:22pm
Arizona 3rd and goal from the one, Max Hall scrambles, sacked, fumbles. His left tackle Levi Brown scoops and scores, though. Bizarre.
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by CathyW :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:24pm
Payton challenged because Hall's helmet came off? Apparently you can't pick up a fumble if someone's helmet is off at the time of the fumble? Call was upheld, though, still a TD.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:27pm
New player safety rules. If a ballcarrier's helmet comes off, the play is dead at that time.
Payton was presumably alleging Hall to be a ballcarrier at that time, or something.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:39pm
Gradkowski goes 1/5 14, and OAK sends in Jason Campbell... And I thought the Raiders would be decent this year.
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 5:42pm
'Tis the mark of the Black Hole.
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 6:07pm
I have Brady and Vick as my QBs in one fantasy league, so I needed a starter for this week. I didn't pick up Gradkowski because I was afraid he'd be benched for Campbell. So instead I went with Todd Collins. Ugh. That's a lose-lose situation if I ever saw one.
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by RickD :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 6:04pm
Epic fail by double coverage on Miles Austin. Two DBs knock each other out and Miles Austin saunters away into the end zone with the football.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 6:15pm
Titans simply not giving Chris Johnson the ball - despite him averaging 6.9 yards a pop. Weird.
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by Bobby Wommack (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 6:17pm
It's amazing to see Drew Brees turn into the new check down king. Amazing how different their offense is without a running game.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 6:20pm
And it's against the Cards! Were they really THAT dependent on play action?
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 6:22pm
Chargers giving up a 46 yard punt return. ST singlehandedly keeping the Raiders in the game.
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by BJR :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 6:23pm
And the special team woes continue for the Chargers as a punt is returned 50 yards.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 6:36pm
Griffin intercepts Romo in the endzone. He gets up, runs ob at around the 15 yard line. This prompts Jeff Fisher to challenge the call on the field - he thinks Griffin was down by contact in the endzone. He's risking a TO on a five yard gain. completely irrelevant.
He gets his five yards, though.
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by Air Holland (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 6:44pm
If someone from the Titans' booth upstairs saw a replay that showed Griffin was clearly down, then Fisher isn't risking a timeout for five yards -- he's just exchanging a challenge for a virtually-guaranteed five yards, fairly deep in your own end of the field, in a tie game. Unless that's your last challenge for the game -- and I can't remember whether it's the Titans' last challenge or not -- I think the challenge makes plenty of sense.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 6:50pm
I still disagree. The challenge alone, even if it's their first, is worth more than 5 yards of field position. If they miss their second challenge, they are out. 5 yards are pretty easy to pick up in that area of the field.
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by Air Holland (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 7:08pm
How often do teams run out of challenges and have it come back to haunt them?
In order for it to hurt Tennessee, they would have to
(a) Challenge again;
(b) Lose that next challenge;
(c) Be presented with a situation where a challenge would offer positive value with more than two minutes remaining.
The average value lost in that situation, multiplied by the probability of that chain of events occurring, has to exceed the value of the five yards Tennessee gained in order for Fisher to be losing value by challenging. I'm not sure it does -- and if it does I doubt the difference is enough to definitively state Fisher made a poor decision.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 6:38pm
The Saints are really choking this away... Arizona strip sacks Brees and KErry Rhodes returns it for a score.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 6:44pm
it would be great to see some detailed analysis on the new and improved Captain Checkdown Breesus offense the Saints have been running this year.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 7:05pm
The Cardinals suck, right? At least, we're all fairly certain they're not *good*, their personnel compared to last year has been gutted, and they've had a couple embarrassing losses.
So I'm now trying to figure out which (or how many) of the following is true:
1) Whisenhunt is a genius and any and all success this squad has had is solely and entirely his responsibility (but he/his front office sucks at evaluating talent);
2) The NFL is one weird place;
3) The Cards have had a crazily easy schedule;
4) The NFC West sucks (accounts for ...one win?)
I just don't know what to think right now. Hopefully Brees puts up some more points and we don't have to deal with a 3-2 Cards team.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 7:13pm
Or, you know, Brees could turn into Favre for a bit. That works too.
I still don't know what to make of the Cardinals. They're clearly better than the 49ers just on the fact they've succeeded some; Seattle's in full Jekyll-and-Hyde mode; the Rams - whom I was preparing to crown already - got killed by my (almost equally rebuilding) Lions today. Which makes Arizona the class of the division, I guess. And they're about the 5th-worst team in the league.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 6:54pm
Campbell: 8/13 115 1TD
Hmm...
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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 7:39pm
Why would anybody be surprised that Campbell is better than Gradkowski? The fact that Bruce had this stretch of starts is more puzzling than Campbell's relative success.
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by Joe T. :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 2:49am
If you watched him in Washington, you'd know that is not an uncommon stat line for Campbell. His problem was not INTs tossed, but opportunities missed.
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by Dave :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 7:04pm
While Brees did a great job to evade the first guy, that TD toss was a Favre-like throw. And I don't mean that in a good way.
Awful coverage there let them get away with it.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 7:06pm
Tennesee-Dallas. Tied up at 20, V. Young throws a pass to noone and is nearly picked off. The danish announcers stop at no point their favning over... Brett Favre. It has spread to Europe.
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by BJR :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 7:12pm
Max Hall just wins games!
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by BJR :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 8:22pm
Yes, and lo and behold the headline on NFL.com reads "Quite a debut for Arizona's Hall - Rookie QB leads his team past Superbowl Champs"
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by Matthew Bultitude (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 7:40pm
What the heck is going on in Oakland? Is Nnamdi the reason for Naanee's bagel, or is Malcolm Floyd lighting up the great corner?
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by FooBarFooFoo (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 7:50pm
Mmmh, 27-28, now the Raiders get a TD with 1 min left to make it 27-34.
Do you kick the PAT or go for the deuce? I'll go for the deuce to put the game out of reach?!?
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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 7:52pm
You know this game is an aberration when Mike Mitchell makes a play.
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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 7:54pm
I thought that was shown by the Raiders winning.
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by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 8:08pm
Raiders winnign no surprise. Said that goign to happen all opffseason, preseason and season. Told you all to bett Raiders in game.
Goihjg to velebrate with six apck Sierra Nevada Tumbler.
Dan Patrick: What is it (Singletary) is not doing right?
Tony Dungy: Well, they're not winning.
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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 8:25pm
Al Michaels looks like he's in heaven.
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by Southern Philly :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 8:31pm
Andrea Kramer just asked Singletary what the difference between Kolb and Vick is. Singletary was, understandably, speechless at such a stupid question.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 8:42pm
Early thoughts:
- Alex Smith is looking like an actual QB right now. How long will it last?
- I finally remembered the penalty I like less than PI: ineligible man downfield.
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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 8:43pm
So here is what the 49er's did well on that drive. Everything.
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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 8:49pm
And apparently Colinsworth knows nothing about Owen Schmitt. Pass catching FB...right. Hey, Celek *is* still on the Eagles.
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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 8:55pm
Celek is a man! He's 40!
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 8:54pm
This is going to be a long night for the defenses, apparently.
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by agauntpanda :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 9:08pm
When's the last time a game started with the two QBs combining for 100% completed passes through the start of the 2nd quarter?!
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 9:19pm
Well, it's over now. INT Smith. Though I guess he did complete it... right?
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by BJR :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 9:22pm
It wasn't a great read or throw, but to be fair to Smith, Ted Ginn's effort was abysmal. He was facing the wrong way and made no attempt to compete for the ball.
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by Matty (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 9:42pm
Wow San Frans defense is terrible! If Singletarys team cant play linebacker than what can it do? Is 0-5 a coach changing record?
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 9:52pm
San Fran's had too many close games, against one of the toughest schedules of anybody, to justify a firing just yet. If they lose to Oakland, there will be problems, and if they lose to Carolina... I don't even want to think about it.
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by Tim F. (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 10:14pm
There are teams that have had byes that have played tougher schedules than the 9ers.
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by DEW (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 10:57pm
Pittsburgh, for one. But seriously, what's more to the point of the toughness of the Niners' schedule is the fact that the two weak teams, Seattle and KC (though the Chiefs are nobody's easy game this year) both basically blew them out of the stadium. The Oakland game is looking like a toss-up at this point, which means that they could very easily be 1-7 at the bye, and the non-divisional games in the back half of the schedule (San Diego and the Bays...hm, that could be a 80s girl group...) aren't going to be easy. Mind you, 7-9 might still win the NFC West.
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by Jonadan :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 10:07pm
This is kind of fantastic. I'm watching via feed from Sweden (I had no idea!), and they're not showing the snazzy half-time show but just raw feed of what the guys in studio are looking at and talking about. The last minute was literally some guy just running footage from a couple plays (including the Niners' fumble) and talking about whether or not the guy was down. Cut with shots and sounds of the band out on the field. I could do this every single game.
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by Matty (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 10:34pm
What a terrible coach call by Reid on the 4 and 1. 3 points would have been a much better call. Go Phillies!!
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by Semigruntled Eagles Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 10:56pm
As Akers most recent attempt demonstrated, a 48-49 yd field goal is no guarantee, and it's not at all unreasonable to expect the team to convert 4th and 1. Moreover, Celek had a step on the defender - the pass was thrown behind him, allowing the defender to intervene (and he still had a decent chance of catching it).
Personally, I would have preferred if he had gone for it on the 4th and 2 (3?) instead of the second FG attempt.
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by agauntpanda :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 10:54pm
How does Kolb look?
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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 10:58pm
Capable. He is making reads, going through progressions and being very consistent. He has also made a couple plays with his legs and escaped pressure a few times. He has been sacked more than I would like, but Dunlap is in for Peters, so it is a bit out of his control. The Eagles started bringing the back over to chip the rusher on that side.
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by agauntpanda :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 11:00pm
No chance he gets the job back unless he turns into Peyton Manning, I suppose. At least he's making Reid look he has a reasonable idea of what he is doing.
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by ChaosOnion (not verified) :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 9:19am
On the first Eagles drive, Kolb displayed every characteristic extolled by Andy Reid and the Kolb-heads. He was accurate, decisive and escape-y (ooph.) If he had been firey, Philadelphia would have a collective instance of euphoria and would riot if/when Reid puts Vick back in as the starter.
Depending upon the starter, the offense is very different. There is the obvious, lefty versus righty, arm strength and foot speed. Collinsworth was the first commentator I heard declare how difficult it is for an offense to adjust from a left to right handed QB mid-game. I do not know how difficult it is, but Collinsworth is one of the more astute commentators.
Vick and Kolb can hit deep throws, but Vick has one of the strongest arms in the NFL. You can see it even on the intermediate throws. Kolb can still hit the long ball from time to time (I think he overthrew someone,) but his strength is accuracy in the intermediate game. While Vick has been very fortunate to not have some passes picked off, Kolb did not throw one pass that made me nervous.
Vick is Vick and defenses still need to assign a spy, unless they just blitz man-god Clay Matthews every down. A man who could run down the sun! His scrambling ability is a constant threat that has not been diminished with his new found penchant to set his legs and throw. On the first TD throw to Celek, Kolb showed Manning-esque poise and escapability to get away from rushers and get the scramble drill started. While Celek caught the TD, his blown block caused the pressure.
The Kolb offense is very consistent. The big play is available, but you are more likely to get a string of first downs. Kolb did extend one drive with his legs, but he is more apt to do it with his arm. There was an opportunity for the Eagles to run a two minute drill. They scored in 3 plays and took barely any time off the clock. The offense also only scored a FG in the second half.
The Vick offense feels discontinuous, boom or bust. There are equal chances to sustain a drive, stall out on the 40 or score on a big play. I think the Vick offense looks and feels like the McNabb. With Vick, you can score a TD at any time, from anywhere and against anyone. There is also the chance of catastrophic failure with an errant Vick throw or death by suffocation if a defense can force it to work down the field.
Just my thoughts from my very untrained eye.
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by Shattenjager :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 7:16pm
Collinsworth also was a WR who went through a transition from a righty* (Ken Anderson) to a lefty (Boomer Esiason).
*Note: I am assuming Ken Anderson, who retired shortly after I was born, was right-handed because I've never heard otherwise, and people always make a big deal about lefty QBs.
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by Lvess :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 10:57pm
I know the backup QB is usually the most popular guy in town but a stadiumwide chant for David Carr? Really?
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Re: 49ers
by GO PATS (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 11:05pm
ok that is it - please god let the this be the end of Alex Smith as a 49er. I cant take this organization anymore. The ownership is a joke, management is a joke, coaching staff is a joke, QB'a are a joke. 2 decades of glory and now this garbage for 12 years. I am sick sick sicl of this. Please Yorks, sell the team. We need Eddie D back to run this joke of an organization. F*** I am so pissed.
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by Semigruntled Eagles Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 11:07pm
I thought blocking the receiving team into the football caused it to be live... Haven't there been a number of turnovers in which a punt falls short, and an actively engaged blocker (from the receiving team) has it bounce off his leg into the arms of a coverage player? Or was it due to the fair catch being interfered by the block?
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by RickD :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 11:24pm
Chris Collinsworth is remarking about how Alex Smith is an "extremely intelligent young man." Really? He's smart enough to make the right play when Singletary yells his ear off. But he's constantly making mistakes.
It's a shame that the turnovers are killing the 49ers tonight.
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by RickD :: Sun, 10/10/2010 - 11:43pm
You're just not going to win an NFL game with 5 turnovers. I mean, yeah, it's mathematically possible, but really, it's a terrible way to go.
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by justanothersteve :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 12:19am
Packers injury report for Week 5
Player Injury
Aaron Rodgers - Concussion
Jermichael Finley - Hamstring
Clay Matthews - Hamstring
Ryan Pickett - Ankle
Derrick Martin - Ankle
Donald Lee - Shoulder
Frank Zombo - Knee
Pickett, Finley, Matthews, Lee and Martin will all be in line for the MRI tomorrow.
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by n8 (not verified) :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 5:58pm
Too bad McCarthy isn't out with an injury. The decision-making of this team is horrific. Ultimately, the only injuries that matter are Rodgers and Matthews, maybe Pickett. The rest can be covered for now.
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by Nathan :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 8:12pm
Uhhh rain delay? What the hell is this garbage? I swear to christ I will stop watching football if they start avoiding the elements. GD offense bias... we'll be watching arena football in 15 years unless people put their foot down. This is ridiculous. This really pisses me off. For real?
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by Nathan :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 8:33pm
ok its started to lightning, i understand that.
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by Another Sean_C :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 9:02pm
If this delay continues much longer, we will witness a historic new level of inane pre-game commentary..
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by andrew :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 9:13pm
45 minutes after scheduled kickoff, and Favre hasn't thrown one pick yet. Nor has he been sacked.
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by ghinterm :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 9:20pm
QBs can't go downfield? The MNF crew doesn't know since they're being silent about it but if that's true that's some fine coaching by Chili to design a play that's illegal.
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by Pat Swinnegan :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 9:22pm
Perhaps Favre was supposed to report as eligible?
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by andrew :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 9:40pm
I'm guessing Randy was supposed to run it and Favre was supposed to be a decoy. Maybe someone else was supposed to be a target.
Chilly may be baffling, but even he couldn't draw up a play that was by definition illegal, could he?
1. A forward pass may be touched or caught by any eligible receiver. All members of the defensive team are eligible. Eligible receivers on the offensive team are players on either end of line (other than center, guard, or tackle) or players at least one yard behind the line at the snap. A T-formation quarterback is not eligible to receive a forward pass during a play from scrimmage.
Exception: T-formation quarterback becomes eligible if pass is previously touched by an eligible receiver.
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by billsfan :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 9:48pm
This happened with McNabb a few years ago.
IIRC, the QB cannot be eligible if he lines up under center.
(I also like the Eagles)
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by Cloqwerq :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 9:46pm
The announcers are talking about how Favre hasn't been afraid to throw in to double coverage....Favre then throws in to double coverage and almost gets picked. Wow.
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by andrew :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 9:52pm
The vikings defense seems like its solid 2 out of 3 plays, which isn't good when there are 3 downs. Converting a 3rd and 15 with an LT run is huge...
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by ghinterm :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 10:09pm
They're awesome in the CFL though.
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by andrew :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 10:13pm
Favre isn't even throwing remotely accurately now. The charting for this game will be interesting... This should have been evident in practice, no? If the elbow were that bad?
But what else are you going to do? You can't put Tarvaris in there can you?
I guess you just keep handing it to AP and hope for the best. I think the jets are on the verge of hitting one of these long throws, you can't keep this up all game.
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by andrew :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 10:20pm
This game would be like 24-0 if not for drops by the Jets... (and that includes the dropped INT).
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by Dave :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 10:25pm
Gruden's excuse-making for Favre is sickening.
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by andrew :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 10:30pm
I honestly think the Vikings right now are one of the worst offenses in the NFL. They finally get something marginally resembling a drive going thanks to a facemask on a Favre sack and promptly fumble the center exchange.
I no longer believe this is rust or missing training camp. I think he's done.
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by Dave :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 10:31pm
No, it's all due to injury. Just ask Jon Gruden.
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by tuluse :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 10:53pm
Agreed. Favre does look right.
However, he's still probably playing better than Tarvar would.
The most unfortunate thing is the Vikings are still passing a lot.
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by tuluse :: Tue, 10/12/2010 - 12:16am
Then of course he lights it up in the 2nd half.
Never let me bet against this guy.
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by andrew :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 10:35pm
Nice downpour.
You know how soccer matches they always have those plexiglass concave shelter things? Why has the NFL never gotten those?
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Tue, 10/12/2010 - 11:11am
The bench in football is huuge compared to soccer. This results in the crowd sitting relatively far away from the field. Those two combined would cause a Plexiglass shelter to take away a lot of vision of the field. Even though it's glass, it still would obstruct the vision. Thats my guess anyway.
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by Dave :: Tue, 10/12/2010 - 11:51am
Because American football players are manly men and don't let a little bit of rain bother them.
I did like the little tents they had for the charters' pads. I had never seen those before.
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by B :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 10:38pm
Here's a thought. 1st and goal in a driving rainstorm with a great rushing game, maybe three straight passes isn't a good call.
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by Nathan :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 10:52pm
No timeouts somewhat explains it. But yeah 1 run would have made sense.
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by tuluse :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 10:54pm
They had over 30 seconds. That should be plenty of time to run and line up for a pass play.
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by Nathan :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 10:58pm
Agreed. Run on first down, take a shot if you don't get it, then kick.
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by andrew :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 11:01pm
Wow. Two snaps in Jets territory, two fumbles.
Is there a record for this kind of stuff?
I guess even handing it off to AP is beyond their capability now.
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by andrew :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 11:09pm
The vikings defense came out great, backed up the Jets, got great field position for the vikes, and they fumble the first play. Not even a caused fumble, like the other one they did it on their own.
This defense is doing everything it can to keep the vikings in the game, but right now 12 points seems insurmountable.
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by Nathan :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 11:12pm
How come nobody runs Rb screens v the jets on 3rd down? It's infuriating.
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by andrew :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 11:31pm
Vikings suddenly get a drive, momentum... and that lasts about 15 seconds, Brad Smith 86 yard kickoff return right when the Jets needed it, inside the red zone.
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by andrew :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 11:43pm
Great TD throw to Harvin. They've now converted two third and longs for TDs.
Vikes celebrate, run off field... then realize they should go for two... then scramble to get back, don't have players, so they send on kicking unit, more confusion... and timeout.
How does Childress not have this figured out in advance?
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by Nathan :: Mon, 10/11/2010 - 11:46pm
I would expect nothing less from an Andy Reid protoge.
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by andrew :: Tue, 10/12/2010 - 12:20am
Well I guess I have to take back the stuff from post 262. Now they'll probably lose because of childress wasting a timeout, but...
What are the jets doing there? They threw it 3 times in 4 plays there while trying to run out the clock? I can understand some of it, but...
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by batbatt :: Tue, 10/12/2010 - 12:21am
Oh, goodie. I bet the TV viewers will get to hear how great #4 is at fourth quarter comebacks. I'm stuck watching gamecast. On second thought, that might not be a bad thing...
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by batbatt :: Tue, 10/12/2010 - 12:27am
An interception? What in the wide world of sports is goin' on here?
As a packer fan, though, I know how the end-of-game interceptions feel. It sucks...
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by DEW (not verified) :: Tue, 10/12/2010 - 12:29am
My GOD! Will people ever learn to GET ON THE GROUND?!?! If Lowery falls down, Sanchez takes a knee, and it's game over. If the Jets had missed the extra point, then it would still be a one-score game with the Vikings getting the ball back. Even so, 1:24 left and two scores isn't completely impossible for a comeback. Yes, ego-boy defensive back can't stop padding his highlight reel long enough to realize that scoring actually hurts his team.
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by tuluse :: Tue, 10/12/2010 - 12:36am
It's probably the same result, and when it comes time to negotiate a contract he has a defensive TD to point to.
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by Jonadan :: Tue, 10/12/2010 - 9:14am
Am I the only person here who doesn't expect DBs to have their mind fixed on the clock/TO situation right after a pick? Oh, sure, some of the smarter ones will, and yes, ball security has to be paramount (I'm looking at you, Clements). But to expect strategic not scoring to happen regularly is kind of silly. In my book.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Tue, 10/12/2010 - 11:19am
I agree. I consider myself a fairly smart fellow, and I know sprinting down the sideline, I'd be secondguessing myself with how much time was rwally left, and end up taking the safe play ie. the score.
Besides: How often do you fumble there anyway? He's a defensive back, with more than a few steps on the TE he just covered, and nothing but open field ahead of him.
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by saneiac (not verified) :: Tue, 10/12/2010 - 12:33am
Jaws just said Favre has amnesia when it comes to interceptions. That isn't amnesia. It's Alzheimers.
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by tuluse :: Tue, 10/12/2010 - 12:50am
Does anyone else think it was a pretty terrible decision to throw the hail mary with 2 seconds left? There was literally no hope of winning the game, but a non-zero chance of an important player getting hurt.
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by Will Allen :: Tue, 10/12/2010 - 1:19am
Well the two fumbles by Stubbleface were definitely instances of oldmanitis, but the ball was likely a bit slick, which is when oldmanitis is more likely to flare up. The closing int really was a case of desperation combined with horrid blitz pickup; if Peterson and Mckinnie do their jobs, Favre may have had a chance to go downfield to Harvin. He really did make some great throws interspersed with some bad ones, and by the end he looked like the elbow was shot. I don't think he can make it 12 more games, suspension or not.
The most aggrvating thing is that, this deep into his career, Peterson still hasn't become enough of a professional to even approach adequacy in pass protection. Compare his effort with Tomlinson's; the contrast could not be more stark. I can understand the Vikings' delay in extending his contract, CBA issues aside. A guy who can't help you on third downs against a decent blitzing team really has reduced value, even if he has HOF caliber talent in other areas.
All in all, health issues aside, there were things to like for Vikings fans, in a difficult environment, against a good team, but unfortunately the NFL doesn't allow you to put aside your old qb's ailing elbow, and cornerbacks who keep getting hurt. Looking at their schedule this past week, this game certainly seemed like the one they were most likely to lose, but the problem now is that their margin for error is about used up, they still have a difficult balance of October, and, again, their health appears to be on the downward slope. The window may be closed.
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by blakelock :: Tue, 10/12/2010 - 9:13am
speaking of calvin johnson....why was his TD legit? he jumps, catches, lands on his back in the end zone. Then, while he's still on his back, he tosses the ball to the ref. according to the discussion we all heard after week one, this should not have been a TD because he didn't maintain possession as he stood up.
what am i missing?
p.s. i'm pulling for the lions big time just hate an inconsistent rule.
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by dbt :: Tue, 10/12/2010 - 11:26am
Because in week one he put the ball on the ground while he was still rolling over before he showed possession. Keeping the ball off the ground really does make a huge difference.
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by blakelock :: Tue, 10/12/2010 - 1:03pm
sooooo.....if you flip the ball to the ref before getting up, that's ok? what if you flip it to the ref and the ref doesn't catch it so the ball ends up on the ground....ooops, incomplete!
i'm not arguing with you but it's seems that there is no clear definition of a catch in the end zone.
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by tuluse :: Tue, 10/12/2010 - 7:28pm
There was a catch in the Monday Night game for a first down with about 5 minutes left, where a receiver did not maintain possession. He caught it, fell down, and put the ball on the ground. It got called a catch.
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My pleasure Bill, cheers! (about 90 second response time as well, that's impressive...)
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Please stop playing like shit, Carolina. Also, boo Judas Peppers!
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For the early games I get to choose between TB-Cin and Jax-Buf. And my Steelers are on a bye or I would be at a sports bar in a heartbeat.
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...so much for the ST improvement.
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And, that's about the worst possible way to open the game.
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Red Zone channel is awesome.
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Broncos sack Flacco for 14 yards on 4th and goal at the 1. Game still scoreless.
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And our brilliant OC game non-planning continues.
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Panthers just ran on their last two 3rd and longs. Not draws either, but i-form, line up and hand off. It worked the first time, but not the 2nd.
I believe their first drive consisted entirely of running plays.
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Wow. Forte looks really good. What's with the Panthers?
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Darius Reynaud should be banned from returning punts, after missing the fair catch.
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The Chiefs opened the game with an unsuccessful onside kick try and now, with the game scoreless and a little over two minutes to go in the first quarter, they are going for it on 4th and 2 on the Indianapolis 8.
Dierdorf was shockingly not horrified by the latter.
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The fourth down didn't work, either.
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Missouri teams starting off with onside kicks: both St. Louis and Kansas City attempt them, neither was successful.
Mark Clayton going off on a stretcher in the Detroit-St. Louis game. Steven Jackson just wept.
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Chiefs try an onside kick to start the game which fails, Colts drive and get a FG. Next Chief's possession they march down inside the 10, have 4th and goal from about the 2, go for it and fail again.
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I think it was more like 4th down from the 7, which just makes going for it an even more absurd call.
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4th and 2 from the 8.
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Colts being very patient against a soft deep safeties shell, only 2 passes so far and picking up gobs of yardage on the ground.
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Jermichael Finley in the locker room, injured making a tackle after a fumble. Backup Donald Lee injures himself celebrating a touchdown. Packers 3rd string TE looks equally effective so far.
TD came on the simple "run to the front of the end zone and turn around" route.
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Go, Carolina Bills. or something.
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Schaub throws a pick to Corey Webster, looking for Kevin Walter in double coverage.
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Both the Bears and the Panthers should be running the wildcat or something like it. Both these QBs are useless. Get another blocker out there.
Or the Bears could try Hanie who has the potential to not suck.
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Uh oh. McNabb looks to be having one of his bad games, or "Eli games," ridiculously overthrowing open receivers by eight yards or more.
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Oh yeah, that's why Philly traded McNabb...
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With recent revelations in the sporting world in general, including blood doping in bicycle racing, steroids in baseball and Brian Cushings recent suspension, I can only conclude Clay Matthews is on some kind PED.
Or he is the son of Zeus. I do not know which.
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It could also be the Matthews family pedigree. That's just a guess, though.
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I'm going with son of Zeus.
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SON OF ZEUS! BY THE POWER OF ASGARD!
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Or he is the son of Zeus.
I believe being the son of Zeus counts as pedigree.
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Idonije just got a sack where the Panthers double teamed Tommie Harris of all players.
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Hakeem Nicks has been looking good. The short pass he caught to set up Brandon Jacobs' touchdown was a thing of beauty.
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This Bears game is a blowout in the first quarter. About to be 24-3. The Panthers look terrible at everything that isn't running the ball.
Edit: The TD is getting challenged. It looks good to me, but it probably won't matter with how the Panthers are playing. 4 QB sneaks should get it in if they change the ruling.
Double Edit: They changed the ruling to no TD, and Lovie is challenging that it was a TD. Ruling upheld, no TD.
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I am in the Bay Area, I have Comcast, and am supposed to be getting Green Bay-Washington on Fox, but all I have is a blank screen on Fox, and there is no game on CBS. Anyone else having this problem?
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You're probably getting two games later.
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Just called Comcast. They are having "technical difficulties" with KTVU (Fox) at this time in my area, and they are working on it. Meanwhile every other channel works, but no football is on for me. This is torture.
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Go order RedZone. It's awesome!
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In a crazy turn of events Chester Taylor might have fumbled at the goalline. Ruled down by contact, Panthers challenging.
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The Houston Texans refuse to cover Hakeem Nicks.
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And Carson Palmer throws a pick-six to Cody Grimm...
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And then Todd Collins with plenty of time, throws a pick to a defensive lineman.
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Hakeem Nicks scores his second TD of the day. The Texans' refusal to cover Nicks continues...
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Phillip Buchanon gets smoked in a deep zone coverage because he lost track of the receiver, and Troy Aikman gives his $.02 saying, "Buchanon plays it pretty well." Uh no. What kind of sick sadistic f^&% assigns Troy Aikman to broadcast Redskins games anyway?
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I'm happy as long as he ain't broadcasting Cowboys games. He's so painful to listen to.
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I assume the Cowboys are playing on CBS today? I'm sure Fox just gives him the most intolerable assignment they can.
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Yes. The Cowboys instead get Phil Simms.
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Please let Otah be able to play in two weeks.
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Are you FireOmarTomlin? You're not as bad as he is, but you both like to post reactions without sufficient explanation. Why go through the trouble to post something if you're not going to explain what happened?
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The reason I'd like Jeff Otah to play is due to the fact that Geoff Schwartz was penciled in to be our starting RG. Since Otah had knee surgery and is out, he's now playing RT at a Kwame Harris level. Our backup center is starting at Right Guard, and is playing just as horribly. These two factors combine to mean that our entire right side of the offensive line is awful, and it often affects the left side as well. And even Jordan Gross (left tackle) has been declining since last year.
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Backed into their own 1, Ernest Graham rips a big one on the Bengals. Josh Freeman responds by throwing an interception.
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Todd Collins with bad overthrows on back to back plays, 2nd one leads to a interception.
He is d-o-n-e.
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Browns defense tightens up coverage twice when Falcons in red zone; forcing 2 FGs.
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My God, I think we're actually regressing.
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Turner runs for 55 yards to get inside Browns 20, giving Browns red zone defense another time to shine. Now 2nd and 9 at 13 at 2 minute warning.
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McNabb has had no protection so far, Packers running right by Redskin o-linemen, even without blitzing. They've gotten to him before he can even set up in a 5-step drop. It looks bad so far. He's been extremely elusive so far though, only getting sacked half the time and extending plays.
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And then he makes Clay Matthews miss and fires a strike down the field to Moss.
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Chicago, please stop calling pass plays. Sincerely, Matt Forte fantasy owners.
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Fans of the Bears and fans of an offense that actually works agree.
Have I mentioned recently that Todd Collins is finished and has nothing left in the tank?
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As long as the Panthers keep trying to go 0-16...
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I'm pretty sure we're past nothing and into the negatives. They'd have been more effective so far if they'd replaced all the called passes with spikes.
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Could anybody please elaborate why I have to click twice to get here instead of once?
I checked the FAQ, didn't say.
Ad revenue?
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I'd guess it's because the link here is in an Extra Point format, which always opens a new tab for convenience (so you still have the comments on FO open with the article in question) and it just hasn't been rewired for discussion threads on site. I don't actually know anything.
tl;dr : I think it's a result of the site architecture.
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If they never show the Calvin Johnson TD from week 1 again, I'll be happy. What a disgrace.
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Wallace with injured ankle late in first half. Delhomme in.
Ryan sack/fumble to start 2nd half.
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Browns kick 19 yd fg after ball flys out of Delhomme's hands on exchange with Hillis.
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In the third quarter, QB Panthers and QB Bears have 28 yards passing. Combined.
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Since 1978 rules changes, the lowest single-game combined passing totals: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/wjLXQ
The two lowest were in 1978 and third was in 1979. The lowest since then was Jets-Bengals last year at 63 yards.
btw, this lists every game twice for some reason. I'm not sure how to make it not do that.
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It does it because it's searching from both team's ends. If you set it to only check home games...
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tgl_finder.cgi?request=...
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Ah, thanks.
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Now up to a whopping 20 for both squads! With 8:50 left in the third. And 13 first downs for both teams: 9 Chicago, 4 Carolina.
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Falcons finally strike deep for TD after Brown safety shook up on tackle, out one play, then returns to game.
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Colts dodge a bullet after a terrible Manning pick sets the Chiefs up at the Colt's 30, three and out after the first throw was what looked to be a touchdown dropped by the receiver (tough catch).
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Peyton Manning threw an interception straight to Jon McGraw.
Dwayne Bowe then dropped a touchdown pass.
The Chiefs ended up making a 43-yard field goal and the game is tied.
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Baltimore copying Peyton Mannings gameplan: Avoid Bailey (Boldin) and pick on Parrish Cox (Housh, Mason). It's working fairly well - Broncos hanging around, though.
I actually like this situation - it keeps McD from handing off to Maroney.
In the beginning of the second half - Orton is getting loads of time, despite the abcense of the runninggame. In the first half it was complete opposite: McD forcing the run and Orton getting herrased.
Fouts tries to coin a new nickname: Fearsome Foursome - regarding Lloyd-Royal-Thomas-Gaffney. Really, Dan?
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I don't know what to make of the fact that Detroit is currently blowing somebody out of the water. This is a new and bizarre experience for me, which long distrust of the franchise leads to suspect can only end in an epic meltdown.
Sincerely,
This (and every other) Lions fan
PS. I suppose it might be a sign we're finally getting better... but I'm dubious.
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You must be deeply traumatized by so many years of Millen! No, the Lions are truly getting better. Schwartz has done an excellent job building a team out there. Look at their defense: replace C.C. Brown, add a linebacker and another DE, and you've got yourself a playoff team!
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Replace Detroit with New York and Lions with Giants, and you have a good idea of how Giants fans are feeling after Eli's (second) interception leads to a Houston touchdown.
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As a matter of fact, there's no need to worry, as both teams put away their respective games.
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Jermichael Finley is standing on the sideline on crutches, in green sweat pants and a tee shirt. Yet they keep saying his return to the game is "questionable." There is nothing "questionable" about it, he's OUT! The NFL injury reporting system is a farce.
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Ravens stuffing it down Broncos' throats. Broncos selfdestructs: 9 penailties (3 holds, 1 DPI) with 4 minutes to go in the 3rd. The three holdings have wiped out about 50 yards of Eddie Royal gains.
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Ray Rice is looking healthy today, which is a gooooood sign for the Ravens.
...holy crap Denver looks bad.
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Denver always looks bad on the east coast. I'm not too concerned.
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Division is still wide open, yeah. Not a huge deal, but I really didn't expect them to get shut down this badly.
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Zero run game, but Orton's getting nearly 10 YPA atm...it's the defense that's getting killed.
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Right, but Orton's two good drives have come against an inexplicably soft zone at half, and now one down by 17 points. I don't think FO stats will be particularly impressed even though he's had a decent day considering the defense.
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Ray Rice owners can draw a sign of relief - he's looking good. Might be the Broncos sucking, but he's dominating.
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If his knee isn't creaking, he'll be back to his 2009 self. Which is good because Bmore might realize that giving carries to McGahee in short yardage is not necessary.
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Charles Godfrey gets the Panthers' fourth int on the day, on third and thirteen.
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The explanation is very simple: Ray Rice will not be denied.
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Todd Collins has 6 completions and 4 interceptions. That is all.
Edit: actually one more thing. Forte is averaging 10 yards per carry, but has 14 carries to Collins's 16 attempts.
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...and yet the Bears are up. How? Jimmy Clausen.
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Special teams and Matt Forte. He had 100 yards rushing in the 1st quarter I believe.
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101 yards on his first 4 carries.
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Broncos down 24-7 on the Ravens 19 yard line facing 4th and 3... kicks a FG. Why? Isn't this weird, or is this Walshs chart speaking?
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They're probably banking on Cameron bringing in McGahee to fumble.
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On the previous play, it looked like the Bronco receiver caught a pass for a first down but it was ruled incomplete, and McDaniels doesn't challenge it on a massive coaching FAIL.
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Tamba Hali is an absolute terror - he's getting into Mannings head! Manning is looking horrible out there.
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What is up with Manning? On 3rd and 11 under no pressure botches a throw to Collie that only would have picked up 5 yards even if it was complete.
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Manning and Wayne on different pages. Colts up 12-9 though.
Addai without pads on the sidelines. The hit looked like it could cause a concussion.
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The worst thing by far in football, is when your team is down in the fourth quarter, and just cannot stop the run. Rice having his way with the Broncos.
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Order one for the Biermann! He deflects the Delhomme pass, makes the catch, and rumbles 30 yards for the TD! 20-10 Falcons.
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YAY JAKE
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More like an incredible play on Biermann's part; he really got up in the air to deflect the pass.
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Yeah, that was pretty crazy. Just saw the highlight. Seneca Wallace is still *way* better than Delhomme.
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Broncos knows the run is comming every single first and second down. They just gave up a 30 yard TD to Willis "the lightning" McGahee.
Colts
Look incredibly average this year.
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This time, the INT is on Delhomme. Throwing under heavy pressure by Abraham, but the ball bounces off Alex Mack's helmet.
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All over in Indy, down by 10 Chiefs miss a FG with a little over a minute left.
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Do the Packers play with different PI rules than anyone else? That's THREE Redskin drives now that have been ended due to uncalled pass interference on the Packers. This is more than just regular ref crew inconsistency--this is as bad as the way they don't call traveling in basketball. On the most recent penalty, a flag was thrown, but another ref talked the crew out of making the right call.
Yes, the Redskins need to play better in several areas to win the game. But at what point do we legitimately blame the refs for blowing this game? It's just not fair the way they're calling it.
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FOUR drives now ended on uncalled PI. Thank goodness Graham Gano made a 45yd FG to tie it at 13 with a minute left, but it would have been a first down if Santana Moss wasn't getting tackled before he had a chance to catch the football. If the Redskins lose this game it's safe to blame the refs as much as anything the 'Skins did.
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It's not different rules, they just grab receivers every play and hope they don't get seen or the refs get tired of throwing flags.
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Speaking as the husband of a Colts fan...I must say "thank you" to Todd Haley for bad call after bad call. 51-yard FG attempt vs. getting 4 yards on 4th-and-4?
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The Chiefs ran out the field goal unit but the holder oddly remained on the sideline. They got it off, but Succoup missed, so the game is over.
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Rodgers keeps passing to a guy named Quarless.. Who? Meanwhile Greg Jennings has two cathes why? (other than the fact i own im in FF).
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Because it's DeAngelo Hall's defense?
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Seriously, why haven't they tried to throw to Jennings in the last 3 weeks? All he catches are touchdowns.
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MASON CROSBY HITS THE POST, MISSING A 53-YD GAME WINNING FG! Whoa. Too close.
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What in the world happened on the last play of the game?
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Trent Williams: When you get the interception with the game tied and a second left, you go down IMMEDIATELY after you catch the ball. You do NOT try to be the hero by trying to make it a pick-six.
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I disagree. Gotta try to run by some 300 pound linemen, who's not used to tackling duty.
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Yeah. I say you go for hero in that situation. Just make sure you hold onto the ball.
The chances of you fumbling and it getting returned for a TD have to lower than 50%, which is the chance the other team gets the ball.
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Now that I think about it, good point. Although if Marty Schottenheimer were reading this message board, he would probably be cursing A.J. Smith.
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You have to fumble it, the other team has to recover it, and they have to return it for six. There's got to be at most 1 or 2 percent chance of that happening. Has it ever?
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You know that Trent Williams was the WAS lineman who was injured making (trying to make?) the tackle on the return, while Tramon Williams was the INT returner? GB didn't get anyone injured attempting the return.
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WAS vs GB in OT. McNabb threw up a hail mary with 1 second left that was returned to the WAS 30 yard line. Also, Trent Williams went down on the play, which is not good for WAS pass protection. And GB won the toss.
McNabb looks like he wishes he was back in Philly, but I am not sure the Eagles O-line is any better...
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Open foot, insert mouth...
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The Black Ho...uh, Oakland, blocks a punt and the Raiders get a safety.
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Awesome. My Fantasy Team is in complete meltdown today. Schaub played like a backup, Boldin caught one pass for 8 yards, MJD sprained his wrist and Deangelo Williams reminded me why you do not start "stud" players who start for awful teams.
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My situation: I panicked about Green Bay's D (should have known better by now) and tried to play matchups by starting Todd Collins instead (since the Panthers are terrible). I have a huge lead anyway (I have no idea how this worked out), but McNabb would have iced it, whereas now it's Philip Rivers (opponent's QB) vs my huge lead. I think my lead's probably going to lose that one.
Lesson learned: on a Sunday morning when you just woke up and aren't thinking straight, leave year fantasy lineup alone. Don't even open your browser.
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I warned you man, right here
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2010/walkthrough-jury-rigge...
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Yeah, McNabb is sitting comfortably on my bench next to Ryan Matthews.
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Orton and Brandon Lloyd are laughing at me from the bench.
Hail Hydra!
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Through a combination of injuries and bye weeks, I was forced (Seriously forced--the only choice I had on my lineup this week was which free agent defense to sign.) to start Orton, Lloyd, and Gaffney, none of whom I drafted. I'm feeling pretty lucky at this point.
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Who's Hydra?
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*curiously* For real?
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Something I created to honor Jim Johnson. I guess I should take down. McDermott doesn't run the same defense. I'll probably come up with something to acknowledge Dick Jauron when he takes over the defense next year.
Hail Hydra!
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Wow, Clifton was stuck in cement on that one. Rodgers never had a chance.
The local GB writers are slowly beginning a chant that Rodgers cannot win close games. That he did everything possible to get the team in position will be ignored if Packers lose.
I like the GB writers because in most cases it is good football writing. But in this area it's just weird.
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Well, so far he doesn't throw close games away with game-breaking INTs, so obviously he's not as clutch as Favre.
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McNabb is carving them up.
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That was one hell of a way to get the first W of the season, Detroit.
In other news, the NFC West is amazingly terrible, I don't have any other possible conclusions at this point. And I *like* two of the teams usually.
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Arizona has no starting QB. Seattle looks like a Jekyll & Hyde team. San Fransisco suffers from close-game losses, blowouts, miscommunication, and Alex Smith-itis. The Rams are improving, but still growing...
Suffice to say, there will be some pretty pissed off teams come playoff time.
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BJ Raj is looking like a real player.
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I find it interesting that so far, Dallas has 3 DPI calls on the first drive, and of those three, one resulted in the touchdown catch and another one ended up being dropped by the WR. So...if you're going to interfere and give up 30+ yards, shouldn't you at least make sure that the receiver doesn't have the chance to catch the ball?
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That TD reception was terrible awareness by the corner. That should have been broken up or possible intercepted, but he has no idea where he is, just runs into the receiver when he goes back for the ball, and then lets him go instead of holding on.
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Poppinga? That guy s*cks most of the time
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Tampa Bay wins on a last-minute field goal.
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Cedric Benson, Terrel Owens, Chad Ochocinco, Carson Palmer. These are your offensive play makers. What is the problem? I vote for Palmer.
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The one thing I do fault Rodgers for is that several times in the second time the Packers had third and short and he went downfield and ignored guys open underneath.
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Ballgame
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Chargers march towards worst ST evar! LMAO.
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Amazing. San Diego's special teams DVOA might actually go DOWN from its minus twentywhatever this week!
Two blocked punts for a safety and a touchdown, AND a kick out of bounds in the first FIVE MINUTES.
At this point, if I'm Norv Turner I'm playing the rest of the game as if it's four down territory.
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Like I wrote, Poppinga normally stinks
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... must have missed that the Chargers hired Bonamego during the week.
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Charles Woodson blatantly tackles a receiver while the ball is in the air, gets called for PI, and starts yelling at the ref? What a dick! Does he not think he interfered there?
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Post 142:
My guess is that he is frustrated by the fact that his offense couldn't take a half dozen opportunities and do anything.
Any Redskins fan should appreciate the Packers largesse. Green Bay has given away two games this year.
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Young might be improving as a passer, but his throwing motion is still corrupt. A lot of side-arming and throwing on one leg going on.
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What is going on with SD special teams? Do they not practice it? I mean come on....
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Sure GB is banged up but up 10 you have to put the foot on the throat. Rodgers refusing to check down on 3rd and shorts killed the offense. It was just bizarre. I can remember 3 distinct plays where a GB guy was open by five yards and Rodgers went longer down the field which is clearly the lower percentage play.
Any GB fans explain this odd behavior? Because it is costing them games.
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Goal line fumble by Tolbert gives Oakland the ball, as San Diego continue to implode.
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It's Norv Turner's mind games: Every September, he starts off horrible to make people believe the Chargers are not up to snuff. Then they destroy opponents in the winter time.
It's his thing. You just gotta let him do his thing.
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And now Rivers is strip-sacked and Oakland recover.
For those who are counting:
- Two blocked punts (one through the endzone for a safety, one recovered for a touchdown).
- One kick out of bounds.
- Two fumbles recovered by the defense.
75% of Oakland's points occurred on plays which began with San Diego in possession of the ball, and the other 25% came on a short drive after a San Diego mistake. Crazy.
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And now Rivers fumbles.
I would really like to like the Chargers, but when they're this bad and there's no good reason for me to root for them, what can I do? Answer: laugh at the misery and root for the Raiders here instead, only to be disappointed as they fall apart in the 4th quarter and find a new way to lose.
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You know I have been a staunch defender of Norv (as an average coach (as opposed to abysmal)), but after this season I am starting to wonder if he is indeed a huge liability.
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Tomlinson's rebirth on the Jets has to be yet another factor counting against Norv.
He's really not a good coach. The longer he stays at San Diego, the more the team's fundamentals and discipline decay. I don't think they'll make the playoffs this year.
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Is there anything surprising about this? When Schottenheimer was fired, the Chargers were coming off a 14-2 season. That was their peak, and they have slowly gotten worse and worse as Schotty's influence waned and Norv's waxed.
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The short answer: Yes.
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He's been promoted too far. He's a good offensive coordinator, but should be no more.
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Alex Smith agrees with that statement.
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Packers lose a game they should have won easily given their dominance of the first half. I remember watching them go for 4th and goal in the first quarter, when they were already up 7-0, and thinking to myself "Is there something wrong with a 10 point lead?" Few things give life to a team on the ropes better than a successful goal line stand.
Especially after they had been stopped short on 2nd and goal and 3rd and goal from inside the 5, it seemed like all they were doing was building up the Redskins' confidence. It really seems to me that teams that cannot get 1 yard on 3rd and goal from the 1 rarely get that yard on 4th down.
Good comeback by the Redskins, who had no rushing game at all. Big-time choke by the Packers, who again look like something less than a Super Bowl team.
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Rick:
Agreed. The team has talent but incredibly poor tactical decision-making coupled with apparently a team focus on big plays at the expense of extending drives or ending drives is sabotaging a season.
Pretty incredible.
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Hey, the Titans have shown up this week! Meanwhile, the Cowboys come off a bye week looking very flat.
I'm going to guess that Wade Phillips heard all the criticism of Norv Turner and though "Hey! I can coach as badly as that guy!!"
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Romo is going down easy this game. If a defender brushes against him, he's down on the ground.
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It's becoming more and more clear that McCarthy should be an offensive coordinator.
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The danish announcers critisize the Cowboys for calling a NINE-step drop for Romo. Replay shows a three-step drop from a pistol formation. That isn't even their worst comment today.
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Don't worry we have Phil Simms in America, you aren't missing anything.
Actually, he's been surprisingly lucid today, or maybe I'm just becoming desensitized.
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Right until he explained that Tony Romo *had* to throw that INT ball really high because of a jumping defender (who left his feet after Romo released it).
(I also like the Eagles)
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Does Wade Phillips have another expression besides befuddled?
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No.
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Clearly you've never seen the man sitting before a slice of warm peach cobbler. Glee doesn't even begin to describe it.
Brooking had a shot to take down Ringer at the LOS and whiffed. There are few players whose failure I enjoy more than Brooking.
Hail Hydra!
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You are correct that I have not seen that, at least as far as I can remember (I was 9 years old when the Broncos fired him).
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Asleep.
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Hmm rule-question: Cowboys gets 27 yards on a second and 32. Flag. A defensive offside forces Cowboys's LT to hold, yet the penalties offset - repeat 2nd down. This doesn't seem fair, does it?
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Offensive lineman have to know to not hold when an offsides flag has been thrown.
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If the DE has a step before the snap, there is NO WAY a Tackle can stay in his stance risking his QBs life in the process. It's impossible to react to a flag that quickly, unless it's thrown directly into his field of vision.
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Max Hall nearly died on the field.
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Arizona 3rd and goal from the one, Max Hall scrambles, sacked, fumbles. His left tackle Levi Brown scoops and scores, though. Bizarre.
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Payton challenged because Hall's helmet came off? Apparently you can't pick up a fumble if someone's helmet is off at the time of the fumble? Call was upheld, though, still a TD.
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New player safety rules. If a ballcarrier's helmet comes off, the play is dead at that time.
Payton was presumably alleging Hall to be a ballcarrier at that time, or something.
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Gradkowski goes 1/5 14, and OAK sends in Jason Campbell... And I thought the Raiders would be decent this year.
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'Tis the mark of the Black Hole.
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I have Brady and Vick as my QBs in one fantasy league, so I needed a starter for this week. I didn't pick up Gradkowski because I was afraid he'd be benched for Campbell. So instead I went with Todd Collins. Ugh. That's a lose-lose situation if I ever saw one.
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Epic fail by double coverage on Miles Austin. Two DBs knock each other out and Miles Austin saunters away into the end zone with the football.
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Titans simply not giving Chris Johnson the ball - despite him averaging 6.9 yards a pop. Weird.
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It's amazing to see Drew Brees turn into the new check down king. Amazing how different their offense is without a running game.
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And it's against the Cards! Were they really THAT dependent on play action?
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Chargers giving up a 46 yard punt return. ST singlehandedly keeping the Raiders in the game.
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And the special team woes continue for the Chargers as a punt is returned 50 yards.
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Griffin intercepts Romo in the endzone. He gets up, runs ob at around the 15 yard line. This prompts Jeff Fisher to challenge the call on the field - he thinks Griffin was down by contact in the endzone. He's risking a TO on a five yard gain. completely irrelevant.
He gets his five yards, though.
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If someone from the Titans' booth upstairs saw a replay that showed Griffin was clearly down, then Fisher isn't risking a timeout for five yards -- he's just exchanging a challenge for a virtually-guaranteed five yards, fairly deep in your own end of the field, in a tie game. Unless that's your last challenge for the game -- and I can't remember whether it's the Titans' last challenge or not -- I think the challenge makes plenty of sense.
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I still disagree. The challenge alone, even if it's their first, is worth more than 5 yards of field position. If they miss their second challenge, they are out. 5 yards are pretty easy to pick up in that area of the field.
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How often do teams run out of challenges and have it come back to haunt them?
In order for it to hurt Tennessee, they would have to
(a) Challenge again;
(b) Lose that next challenge;
(c) Be presented with a situation where a challenge would offer positive value with more than two minutes remaining.
The average value lost in that situation, multiplied by the probability of that chain of events occurring, has to exceed the value of the five yards Tennessee gained in order for Fisher to be losing value by challenging. I'm not sure it does -- and if it does I doubt the difference is enough to definitively state Fisher made a poor decision.
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The Saints are really choking this away... Arizona strip sacks Brees and KErry Rhodes returns it for a score.
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it would be great to see some detailed analysis on the new and improved Captain Checkdown Breesus offense the Saints have been running this year.
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The Cardinals suck, right? At least, we're all fairly certain they're not *good*, their personnel compared to last year has been gutted, and they've had a couple embarrassing losses.
So I'm now trying to figure out which (or how many) of the following is true:
1) Whisenhunt is a genius and any and all success this squad has had is solely and entirely his responsibility (but he/his front office sucks at evaluating talent);
2) The NFL is one weird place;
3) The Cards have had a crazily easy schedule;
4) The NFC West sucks (accounts for ...one win?)
I just don't know what to think right now. Hopefully Brees puts up some more points and we don't have to deal with a 3-2 Cards team.
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Or, you know, Brees could turn into Favre for a bit. That works too.
I still don't know what to make of the Cardinals. They're clearly better than the 49ers just on the fact they've succeeded some; Seattle's in full Jekyll-and-Hyde mode; the Rams - whom I was preparing to crown already - got killed by my (almost equally rebuilding) Lions today. Which makes Arizona the class of the division, I guess. And they're about the 5th-worst team in the league.
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Campbell: 8/13 115 1TD
Hmm...
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Why would anybody be surprised that Campbell is better than Gradkowski? The fact that Bruce had this stretch of starts is more puzzling than Campbell's relative success.
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If you watched him in Washington, you'd know that is not an uncommon stat line for Campbell. His problem was not INTs tossed, but opportunities missed.
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While Brees did a great job to evade the first guy, that TD toss was a Favre-like throw. And I don't mean that in a good way.
Awful coverage there let them get away with it.
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Tennesee-Dallas. Tied up at 20, V. Young throws a pass to noone and is nearly picked off. The danish announcers stop at no point their favning over... Brett Favre. It has spread to Europe.
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Max Hall just wins games!
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Yes, and lo and behold the headline on NFL.com reads "Quite a debut for Arizona's Hall - Rookie QB leads his team past Superbowl Champs"
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What the heck is going on in Oakland? Is Nnamdi the reason for Naanee's bagel, or is Malcolm Floyd lighting up the great corner?
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Mmmh, 27-28, now the Raiders get a TD with 1 min left to make it 27-34.
Do you kick the PAT or go for the deuce? I'll go for the deuce to put the game out of reach?!?
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You know this game is an aberration when Mike Mitchell makes a play.
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I thought that was shown by the Raiders winning.
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Raiders winnign no surprise. Said that goign to happen all opffseason, preseason and season. Told you all to bett Raiders in game.
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Dan Patrick: What is it (Singletary) is not doing right?
Tony Dungy: Well, they're not winning.
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Al Michaels looks like he's in heaven.
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Andrea Kramer just asked Singletary what the difference between Kolb and Vick is. Singletary was, understandably, speechless at such a stupid question.
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Early thoughts:
- Alex Smith is looking like an actual QB right now. How long will it last?
- I finally remembered the penalty I like less than PI: ineligible man downfield.
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So here is what the 49er's did well on that drive. Everything.
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And apparently Colinsworth knows nothing about Owen Schmitt. Pass catching FB...right. Hey, Celek *is* still on the Eagles.
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Celek is a man! He's 40!
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This is going to be a long night for the defenses, apparently.
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When's the last time a game started with the two QBs combining for 100% completed passes through the start of the 2nd quarter?!
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Well, it's over now. INT Smith. Though I guess he did complete it... right?
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It wasn't a great read or throw, but to be fair to Smith, Ted Ginn's effort was abysmal. He was facing the wrong way and made no attempt to compete for the ball.
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Wow San Frans defense is terrible! If Singletarys team cant play linebacker than what can it do? Is 0-5 a coach changing record?
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San Fran's had too many close games, against one of the toughest schedules of anybody, to justify a firing just yet. If they lose to Oakland, there will be problems, and if they lose to Carolina... I don't even want to think about it.
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There are teams that have had byes that have played tougher schedules than the 9ers.
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Pittsburgh, for one. But seriously, what's more to the point of the toughness of the Niners' schedule is the fact that the two weak teams, Seattle and KC (though the Chiefs are nobody's easy game this year) both basically blew them out of the stadium. The Oakland game is looking like a toss-up at this point, which means that they could very easily be 1-7 at the bye, and the non-divisional games in the back half of the schedule (San Diego and the Bays...hm, that could be a 80s girl group...) aren't going to be easy. Mind you, 7-9 might still win the NFC West.
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This is kind of fantastic. I'm watching via feed from Sweden (I had no idea!), and they're not showing the snazzy half-time show but just raw feed of what the guys in studio are looking at and talking about. The last minute was literally some guy just running footage from a couple plays (including the Niners' fumble) and talking about whether or not the guy was down. Cut with shots and sounds of the band out on the field. I could do this every single game.
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What a terrible coach call by Reid on the 4 and 1. 3 points would have been a much better call. Go Phillies!!
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As Akers most recent attempt demonstrated, a 48-49 yd field goal is no guarantee, and it's not at all unreasonable to expect the team to convert 4th and 1. Moreover, Celek had a step on the defender - the pass was thrown behind him, allowing the defender to intervene (and he still had a decent chance of catching it).
Personally, I would have preferred if he had gone for it on the 4th and 2 (3?) instead of the second FG attempt.
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How does Kolb look?
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Capable. He is making reads, going through progressions and being very consistent. He has also made a couple plays with his legs and escaped pressure a few times. He has been sacked more than I would like, but Dunlap is in for Peters, so it is a bit out of his control. The Eagles started bringing the back over to chip the rusher on that side.
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No chance he gets the job back unless he turns into Peyton Manning, I suppose. At least he's making Reid look he has a reasonable idea of what he is doing.
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On the first Eagles drive, Kolb displayed every characteristic extolled by Andy Reid and the Kolb-heads. He was accurate, decisive and escape-y (ooph.) If he had been firey, Philadelphia would have a collective instance of euphoria and would riot if/when Reid puts Vick back in as the starter.
Depending upon the starter, the offense is very different. There is the obvious, lefty versus righty, arm strength and foot speed. Collinsworth was the first commentator I heard declare how difficult it is for an offense to adjust from a left to right handed QB mid-game. I do not know how difficult it is, but Collinsworth is one of the more astute commentators.
Vick and Kolb can hit deep throws, but Vick has one of the strongest arms in the NFL. You can see it even on the intermediate throws. Kolb can still hit the long ball from time to time (I think he overthrew someone,) but his strength is accuracy in the intermediate game. While Vick has been very fortunate to not have some passes picked off, Kolb did not throw one pass that made me nervous.
Vick is Vick and defenses still need to assign a spy, unless they just blitz man-god Clay Matthews every down. A man who could run down the sun! His scrambling ability is a constant threat that has not been diminished with his new found penchant to set his legs and throw. On the first TD throw to Celek, Kolb showed Manning-esque poise and escapability to get away from rushers and get the scramble drill started. While Celek caught the TD, his blown block caused the pressure.
The Kolb offense is very consistent. The big play is available, but you are more likely to get a string of first downs. Kolb did extend one drive with his legs, but he is more apt to do it with his arm. There was an opportunity for the Eagles to run a two minute drill. They scored in 3 plays and took barely any time off the clock. The offense also only scored a FG in the second half.
The Vick offense feels discontinuous, boom or bust. There are equal chances to sustain a drive, stall out on the 40 or score on a big play. I think the Vick offense looks and feels like the McNabb. With Vick, you can score a TD at any time, from anywhere and against anyone. There is also the chance of catastrophic failure with an errant Vick throw or death by suffocation if a defense can force it to work down the field.
Just my thoughts from my very untrained eye.
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Collinsworth also was a WR who went through a transition from a righty* (Ken Anderson) to a lefty (Boomer Esiason).
*Note: I am assuming Ken Anderson, who retired shortly after I was born, was right-handed because I've never heard otherwise, and people always make a big deal about lefty QBs.
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I know the backup QB is usually the most popular guy in town but a stadiumwide chant for David Carr? Really?
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ok that is it - please god let the this be the end of Alex Smith as a 49er. I cant take this organization anymore. The ownership is a joke, management is a joke, coaching staff is a joke, QB'a are a joke. 2 decades of glory and now this garbage for 12 years. I am sick sick sicl of this. Please Yorks, sell the team. We need Eddie D back to run this joke of an organization. F*** I am so pissed.
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I thought blocking the receiving team into the football caused it to be live... Haven't there been a number of turnovers in which a punt falls short, and an actively engaged blocker (from the receiving team) has it bounce off his leg into the arms of a coverage player? Or was it due to the fair catch being interfered by the block?
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Chris Collinsworth is remarking about how Alex Smith is an "extremely intelligent young man." Really? He's smart enough to make the right play when Singletary yells his ear off. But he's constantly making mistakes.
It's a shame that the turnovers are killing the 49ers tonight.
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You're just not going to win an NFL game with 5 turnovers. I mean, yeah, it's mathematically possible, but really, it's a terrible way to go.
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Packers injury report for Week 5
Player Injury
Aaron Rodgers - Concussion
Jermichael Finley - Hamstring
Clay Matthews - Hamstring
Ryan Pickett - Ankle
Derrick Martin - Ankle
Donald Lee - Shoulder
Frank Zombo - Knee
Pickett, Finley, Matthews, Lee and Martin will all be in line for the MRI tomorrow.
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Too bad McCarthy isn't out with an injury. The decision-making of this team is horrific. Ultimately, the only injuries that matter are Rodgers and Matthews, maybe Pickett. The rest can be covered for now.
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Uhhh rain delay? What the hell is this garbage? I swear to christ I will stop watching football if they start avoiding the elements. GD offense bias... we'll be watching arena football in 15 years unless people put their foot down. This is ridiculous. This really pisses me off. For real?
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ok its started to lightning, i understand that.
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If this delay continues much longer, we will witness a historic new level of inane pre-game commentary..
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45 minutes after scheduled kickoff, and Favre hasn't thrown one pick yet. Nor has he been sacked.
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QBs can't go downfield? The MNF crew doesn't know since they're being silent about it but if that's true that's some fine coaching by Chili to design a play that's illegal.
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Perhaps Favre was supposed to report as eligible?
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I'm guessing Randy was supposed to run it and Favre was supposed to be a decoy. Maybe someone else was supposed to be a target.
Chilly may be baffling, but even he couldn't draw up a play that was by definition illegal, could he?
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Had to look it up:
http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/forwardpass
Forward Pass
1. A forward pass may be touched or caught by any eligible receiver. All members of the defensive team are eligible. Eligible receivers on the offensive team are players on either end of line (other than center, guard, or tackle) or players at least one yard behind the line at the snap. A T-formation quarterback is not eligible to receive a forward pass during a play from scrimmage.
Exception: T-formation quarterback becomes eligible if pass is previously touched by an eligible receiver.
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This happened with McNabb a few years ago.
IIRC, the QB cannot be eligible if he lines up under center.
(I also like the Eagles)
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The announcers are talking about how Favre hasn't been afraid to throw in to double coverage....Favre then throws in to double coverage and almost gets picked. Wow.
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The vikings defense seems like its solid 2 out of 3 plays, which isn't good when there are 3 downs. Converting a 3rd and 15 with an LT run is huge...
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They're awesome in the CFL though.
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Favre isn't even throwing remotely accurately now. The charting for this game will be interesting... This should have been evident in practice, no? If the elbow were that bad?
But what else are you going to do? You can't put Tarvaris in there can you?
I guess you just keep handing it to AP and hope for the best. I think the jets are on the verge of hitting one of these long throws, you can't keep this up all game.
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This game would be like 24-0 if not for drops by the Jets... (and that includes the dropped INT).
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Gruden's excuse-making for Favre is sickening.
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I honestly think the Vikings right now are one of the worst offenses in the NFL. They finally get something marginally resembling a drive going thanks to a facemask on a Favre sack and promptly fumble the center exchange.
I no longer believe this is rust or missing training camp. I think he's done.
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No, it's all due to injury. Just ask Jon Gruden.
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Agreed. Favre does look right.
However, he's still probably playing better than Tarvar would.
The most unfortunate thing is the Vikings are still passing a lot.
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Then of course he lights it up in the 2nd half.
Never let me bet against this guy.
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Nice downpour.
You know how soccer matches they always have those plexiglass concave shelter things? Why has the NFL never gotten those?
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The bench in football is huuge compared to soccer. This results in the crowd sitting relatively far away from the field. Those two combined would cause a Plexiglass shelter to take away a lot of vision of the field. Even though it's glass, it still would obstruct the vision. Thats my guess anyway.
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Because American football players are manly men and don't let a little bit of rain bother them.
I did like the little tents they had for the charters' pads. I had never seen those before.
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Here's a thought. 1st and goal in a driving rainstorm with a great rushing game, maybe three straight passes isn't a good call.
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No timeouts somewhat explains it. But yeah 1 run would have made sense.
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They had over 30 seconds. That should be plenty of time to run and line up for a pass play.
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Agreed. Run on first down, take a shot if you don't get it, then kick.
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Wow. Two snaps in Jets territory, two fumbles.
Is there a record for this kind of stuff?
I guess even handing it off to AP is beyond their capability now.
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The vikings defense came out great, backed up the Jets, got great field position for the vikes, and they fumble the first play. Not even a caused fumble, like the other one they did it on their own.
This defense is doing everything it can to keep the vikings in the game, but right now 12 points seems insurmountable.
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How come nobody runs Rb screens v the jets on 3rd down? It's infuriating.
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Vikings suddenly get a drive, momentum... and that lasts about 15 seconds, Brad Smith 86 yard kickoff return right when the Jets needed it, inside the red zone.
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Great TD throw to Harvin. They've now converted two third and longs for TDs.
Vikes celebrate, run off field... then realize they should go for two... then scramble to get back, don't have players, so they send on kicking unit, more confusion... and timeout.
How does Childress not have this figured out in advance?
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I would expect nothing less from an Andy Reid protoge.
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Well I guess I have to take back the stuff from post 262. Now they'll probably lose because of childress wasting a timeout, but...
What are the jets doing there? They threw it 3 times in 4 plays there while trying to run out the clock? I can understand some of it, but...
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Oh, goodie. I bet the TV viewers will get to hear how great #4 is at fourth quarter comebacks. I'm stuck watching gamecast. On second thought, that might not be a bad thing...
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An interception? What in the wide world of sports is goin' on here?
As a packer fan, though, I know how the end-of-game interceptions feel. It sucks...
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My GOD! Will people ever learn to GET ON THE GROUND?!?! If Lowery falls down, Sanchez takes a knee, and it's game over. If the Jets had missed the extra point, then it would still be a one-score game with the Vikings getting the ball back. Even so, 1:24 left and two scores isn't completely impossible for a comeback. Yes, ego-boy defensive back can't stop padding his highlight reel long enough to realize that scoring actually hurts his team.
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It's probably the same result, and when it comes time to negotiate a contract he has a defensive TD to point to.
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Am I the only person here who doesn't expect DBs to have their mind fixed on the clock/TO situation right after a pick? Oh, sure, some of the smarter ones will, and yes, ball security has to be paramount (I'm looking at you, Clements). But to expect strategic not scoring to happen regularly is kind of silly. In my book.
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I agree. I consider myself a fairly smart fellow, and I know sprinting down the sideline, I'd be secondguessing myself with how much time was rwally left, and end up taking the safe play ie. the score.
Besides: How often do you fumble there anyway? He's a defensive back, with more than a few steps on the TE he just covered, and nothing but open field ahead of him.
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Jaws just said Favre has amnesia when it comes to interceptions. That isn't amnesia. It's Alzheimers.
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Does anyone else think it was a pretty terrible decision to throw the hail mary with 2 seconds left? There was literally no hope of winning the game, but a non-zero chance of an important player getting hurt.
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Well the two fumbles by Stubbleface were definitely instances of oldmanitis, but the ball was likely a bit slick, which is when oldmanitis is more likely to flare up. The closing int really was a case of desperation combined with horrid blitz pickup; if Peterson and Mckinnie do their jobs, Favre may have had a chance to go downfield to Harvin. He really did make some great throws interspersed with some bad ones, and by the end he looked like the elbow was shot. I don't think he can make it 12 more games, suspension or not.
The most aggrvating thing is that, this deep into his career, Peterson still hasn't become enough of a professional to even approach adequacy in pass protection. Compare his effort with Tomlinson's; the contrast could not be more stark. I can understand the Vikings' delay in extending his contract, CBA issues aside. A guy who can't help you on third downs against a decent blitzing team really has reduced value, even if he has HOF caliber talent in other areas.
All in all, health issues aside, there were things to like for Vikings fans, in a difficult environment, against a good team, but unfortunately the NFL doesn't allow you to put aside your old qb's ailing elbow, and cornerbacks who keep getting hurt. Looking at their schedule this past week, this game certainly seemed like the one they were most likely to lose, but the problem now is that their margin for error is about used up, they still have a difficult balance of October, and, again, their health appears to be on the downward slope. The window may be closed.
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speaking of calvin johnson....why was his TD legit? he jumps, catches, lands on his back in the end zone. Then, while he's still on his back, he tosses the ball to the ref. according to the discussion we all heard after week one, this should not have been a TD because he didn't maintain possession as he stood up.
what am i missing?
p.s. i'm pulling for the lions big time just hate an inconsistent rule.
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Because in week one he put the ball on the ground while he was still rolling over before he showed possession. Keeping the ball off the ground really does make a huge difference.
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sooooo.....if you flip the ball to the ref before getting up, that's ok? what if you flip it to the ref and the ref doesn't catch it so the ball ends up on the ground....ooops, incomplete!
i'm not arguing with you but it's seems that there is no clear definition of a catch in the end zone.
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There was a catch in the Monday Night game for a first down with about 5 minutes left, where a receiver did not maintain possession. He caught it, fell down, and put the ball on the ground. It got called a catch.