Well, we figured out how to bring these things back to life a little. Feel free to pass on your suggestions on what would help increase the number of people who want to talk in the weekly GDTs...
Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 15 Oct 2009
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Jimmy
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by Zheng :: Fri, 10/16/2009 - 9:18pm
Last week's thread was hilarious. I can't jump on during the games, though, unless someone finds me a good babysitter.
By the way, any guesses as to how many points the Raiders will score this week? Pick a number between 1 and 10? Anyone?
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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sat, 10/17/2009 - 6:09pm
42. That's the answer to life, the universe, and everything...oh that's right, it's Oakland we're talking about. Maybe -42?
It's the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. Which is an important distinction, because Earth would not exist but for want of the question.
Sorry for being nitpicky but I'm rather obsessive about Douglas Adams.
Okay, strike the rather. I think anyone who actually owns "The Salmon of Doubt" and read every page of it has to say they're obsessed. I mean, it includes a three-page (I think--going off of memory) story about his nose, for crying out loud!
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by ar4t :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 11:10am
Can you name the doctor who serials he wrote? Then you're truly obsessed. :-)
I'm ashamed to admit that not only can I not do so, but I've never seen any "Doctor Who" at all. I was 4 years old when it went off the air (according to the imdb, anyway).
Tennant is indeed pretty awesome, but I think by some point in series four he'd somewhat jumped the shark - at least on every non-Moffat script. The constant gurning and "Alons-y, Alonso"-ing and so on was starting to squash out actual character, in both the writing and the performance. Can't wait for Moffat to take over full time - the man is a genius. Also, the new companion is hot.
I was actually at university with Harry Lloyd, who played Son of Mine in the Family of Blood double in season 3. Good guy, and a fantastic actor - definitely one who deserves the success he's getting.
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by BucNasty :: Sat, 10/17/2009 - 10:54pm
One and five, baby, one and five!
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by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 12:28am
Raiders gong to score 24 points vs eagles. getting to 2-4 today. a couple game slater going to be 4-4 and ctahcing up to broncos who going to lose on Monday nit to chargers.
giants at Saints cood game to wtahc at early time. then settle in for eagls-oakland game. with some Sierra Nevadas and food
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by BroncosGuy (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:47pm
The Raiders are in the process of Shocking the World, and RaiderJoe called it. Props, brutha.
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by Big Johnson (not verified) :: Tue, 10/20/2009 - 1:12am
After reading the rulebook for the past hour i cant find anywhere where it says its a touchdown if you get the ball to the 1 yard line. So why did the broncos get a touchdown on their last drive again?!?
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by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 12:35am
picture under this on main page show chiefs lady riding horse. did chiefs only do that special for game vs cowobys? Maybe. If did then becuause it was legacy game and in 1960s Chiefs guy dressed like indiana ride around on horose between bench and stands. then tema move to arrowhead Stadium and mayeb not have enough room for hose riding
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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 12:37am
I really like the Hitchhiker's Guide series, but my favorite book of all time is Good Omens. What a book. I think we should come up with names for the worst teams like they do in that book, like 'things that don't work even after you give them a good thumping," that sort of thing...
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by ar4t :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 11:13am
Ankh-Morpork Hippos? With Rincewind at QB?
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by TimK :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 11:44am
Granny Weatherwax at free-safety - doesn't actually tackle anyone, but most people get the feeling that scoring would be a bad idea...
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by ar4t :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:38pm
Vetenari is the Coach. Leonardo is the Offensive coordinator.
I will read that one at some point. I consider all recommendations from Hitchhiker's Guide fans.
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by Mr Shush :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 6:37am
Late 20th Century English satirical speculative fiction is going to be a recognised/studied movement at some point in the future, and Pratchett and Adams are the two leading figures within it. I think Adams was probably the more talented writer, but Pratchett overall produced the better oevre. Pratchett's a perfectionist who honed his craft over years of practice and self-edited with serious rigour. He started off writing Hitchhiker's-but-fantasy-and-not-quite-as-good sprawling cod-epic romps, but over time found his true voice in much more tightly structured/plotted satires. By the time he'd got things down pat (somewhere around Reaper Man, by my reckoning) the prose style, characterisation and plotting were immaculate, the jokes were still extremely funny and the whole thing just worked - and worked pretty much every time. Adams, on the other hand, found writing extremely difficult and could seldom be bothered to really polish up his work. As a result, most of his novels are, to my mind, brilliant in many places but messy and rambling in others - the exceptions being Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency and Last Chance to See (not that that's a novel, but you get the point).
Good Omens is brilliant. The collaboration between Pratchett and Gaiman seems to have worked remarkably well, given that the book is miles better than anything else Pratchett had written by that time or would for several years afterwards, and miles better than anything else Gaiman has ever written period.
I've never read Pratchett for a strange reason: I have a friend who loves his work and I have absolutely no respect for her opinion on literature. I'm not sure she could even name another author. She claimed she had never previoiusly heard of "Hamlet." So I long assumed that he must not be any good. I have heard his name mentioned admiringly by other Adams fans elsewhere, though, so I should bite the bullet on it.
And I agree that Adams tended to be brilliant in places but rambling and messy in others, though I always thought the rambling was actually part of what made him so funny.
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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 10:59pm
I think I was 10 when I first read Hitchhikers Guide and I was hooked thereafter. Although, thinking back, shortly after that I saw the Holy Grail for the first time (circa 1980). I also liked the Jason Cosmo series, although more for how they made fun of the genre than anything else. Oh yes, and how can I forget the Stainless Steel Rat series? The first two or three books were really good; however, everything after Harrison introduced the twins went downhill. So he's sort of the literary equivalent of L.L Cool J. I kept on buying his albums after Walking With a Panther came out, hoping against hope that it would be good, but kept on being disappointed.
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by Mr Shush :: Tue, 10/20/2009 - 10:22am
No, Pratchett's very, very good indeed. I'd read Good Omens or Nation first, as they're (by a distance) the two best non-Discworld books. There are something like 35 Discworld novels, and the earliest ones are definitely not the best (though still pretty good), so rather than jump in mid-series or try to form a judgment based on something that is definitely not his best work I'd go for one of the above-mentioned. Though at the end of the day it is all, of course, words, words, words.
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by Jimmy :: Sat, 10/24/2009 - 10:36am
I totally agree that Good Omens is a work of genius but I found Nation to be really disapointing. The really bleak way it starts clashed really awkwardly with the later quasi-comic subplot (or so I thought) and what was all the drivel about 'the Crown'? I actually told my brother it wasn't really worth reading and I wouldn't have said that about a Pratchett novel (aimed at adults) for a long while.
Then again I thought the first two discworld novels were as funny as anything he has written since. They weren't as well rounded so there are some incongruities with later stories but they were a bit darker and less anodine and formulaic as some of his later books.
I think the craziest thing about Raiderjoe is that all of those non-Raider picks are very reasonable. Looking his picks over, the winners and scores all make perfect sense. In that context, Raiders 24- Eagles 14 seems almost plausible.
Also, his mangled sorta phonetic spelling of "jakuars" is beautiful.
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by Harris :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:02pm
On what planet does that seem plausible? I've been looking to vacation in a magical fairlyland of rainbows and unicorns.
Hail Hydra!
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:11pm
I just mean plausible in the sense of "hey, here's this score, just hanging out here with all the other reasonable picks. nothing funny about it. just another pick amongst picks. it could happen. it's surely not being put out there as an act of psychotic homerism."
also, i don't think the Raiders will win, but don't jinx it man. The Eagles tied the Bengals last year. They TIED the 4-11-1 Bengals. You just never know what improbable depths are actually possible with this team...
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by Harris :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:17pm
The Raiders are perfectly capable of going 1-15, but point taken.
Hail Hydra!
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by BucNasty :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 5:57am
The curse is strong with this one.
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by Anonymous99 (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:05pm
Prediction: Redskins 13 Chiefs 7
Reality: Redskins 6 Chief 14
Plausible? I think so.
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by BucNasty :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 5:55am
Raiderjoe I'll never doubt you again.
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by Ben :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:23am
I hope these threads do come back to life, like last week. I used to really enjoy reading them along with Audibles on Monday.
I know there is a FO IRC channel that folks use during the games. Out of curiosity for anyone who does use IRC, why do you use that instead of the game threads? Back in the day, the old game threads would totally choke on Sundays, but those days are past...
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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by johnnyxel :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:53am
IRC has the advantage of immediacy, and more consistent interactivity. There is no need to hit F5 every couple minutes. Most of the time, questions about any game get answered quickly. I guess there are flash or javascript widgets made for live-blogging or chatting that approximate that advantage, but FO does not use any of them, which is fine, since IRC just works. Basically, message boards are great for thoughtful discussion during the week, but during games, IRC gives you quicker interaction at the expense of deeper insight.
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by ar4t :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 11:15am
Seems like they're trying to push these up again.
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by Israel P. (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:57am
Word is Browns have interesting special teams. I figure their offense and defense are special teams - in the same sense that my daughter teaches special ed.
Go Steelers.
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by roguerouge :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 10:02am
Rainy and cold here in New England, so it should be a sloppy game in Foxboro.
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by PatsFan :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 12:44pm
And by gametime it's supposed to be very windy. But since Brady can't throw a long ball anymore it may not matter.
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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 12:36pm
I have to agree, reading RJ's picks, I found myself nodding and saying, "yeah, that's plausible."
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 12:51pm
It's good to see some "pre-game chatter" here this week. My fingers thank you.
I have Ravens@Vikings for the early game. Then, I have Titans@Patriots and Cardinals@Seahawks (yea!) for the late games.
Looking over RaiderJoe's picks, I like the Ravens, Eagles, and Broncos to win. I can't argue with the rest of his picks.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:06pm
Grrr. Damn Fox affiliate changed their mind or the TV Guide lied. I have the Giants@Saints for two early games, which means no Cardinals@Seahawks for me. Dammit!
Even though it makes me mad, I'll be watching the Giants@Saints more than Ravens@Vikings, at least to start.
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by Sergio :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 12:58pm
I'll be on BAL@MIN, with NYG@NO on the side.
Late games... I don't even know what's on. :P
-- Go Phins!
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by Mig (not verified) :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 1:21am
I guess all of us who were lucky enough to get the Ravens-Vikings game, will have to take the "Favre won the game" angle one more time, as in "Look at Favre the Great, by not watching the FG try by the Ravens, he was able to distract the kicker ina masterful way, the way only Favre can do".
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by Sergio :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:03pm
Dear Lord.
One local affiliate is actually broadcasting the Pittsburgh game. They don't even *have* to broadcast an AFC game...
I have Bal@Min (who would have guessed that in Minnesota?) and then an incredible choice between Ten@NE and Phi@Oak . . . I think I might skip the second game and read instead.
Ooh--great announcing start. Loadholt is one of the "highlights" of the Vikings' offensive line over Steve Hutchinson (who then gets mentioned but is separated from the "highlights").
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by Harris :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:05pm
Whee. Ravens @ Vikings. Because, why would Philadelphians want to see a division rival play a game pitting two of the best teams in the conference against each other when we can listen to grown men deep-throat an elderly hillbilly? Good call, FOX.
I always used to call him "The completely flat-out broke homeless with no prospects for improvement man's Elway."
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by doubleipa (not verified) :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 2:01am
What an odd and non-thought-provoking comment. What do you call him now, other than 6-0?
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by Independent George :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:14pm
I've got BAL @ MIN on CBS, and NYG @ NO on Fox.
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by Harris :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:05pm
Whee. Ravens @ Vikings. Because, why would Philadelphians want to see a division rival play a game pitting two of the best teams in the conference against each other when we can listen to grown men deep-throat an elderly hillbilly? Good call, FOX.
Followed by a commercial for 2012 . . . it looks even worse than it sounds.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:11pm
There was a nice completion from Brees to Moore a moment ago. Brees threw into double coverage and Webster got a hand on the ball, but Moore managed to catch it. Meanwhile, the Giants don't seem to be generating much of a pass rush early, so the Saints are marching down the field.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:14pm
An early gamble by the Saints. They're going for it on 4th and less than yard from the one yard line. A run, a leap over the line, and it's a TD for the Saints.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:15pm
It was a 15 play drive for the Saints.
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:16pm
loved that they went for it - I think they need to put the hammer down to win, conserative ball doesn't seem like it will cut it against a team as good in the air as the Giants...
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:19pm
Yep, a good call there. If they fail, it's first and ten Giants from their one or two yard line. That's a good trade-off.
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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:12pm
a vikings touchdown followed by a commercial for what could be the end of the world? They should have shown that after a cleveland touchdown...
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by miqewalsh :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:59pm
I think they want to show the ad at least once today.
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:14pm
Saints go for it on 4th and 1 from the Giants two... and score!
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by Independent George :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:15pm
Where is the NYG pass rush?
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:22pm
I'll try to watch closer on the next drive. I spent too much time watching Brees on the first drive.
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:18pm
Well, it was fun while it lasted - St. Louis no longer up on Jax...
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:19pm
I take it back - extra point botched!
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:24pm
Manning slightly under throws a deep pass and Greer, who was initially beaten, was able to cut behind the receiver (#87) to knock the ball away. After one first down, the Giants punt into the end zone.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:26pm
The talking head just threw out that this was the first opening drive of the season where the Giants did not score.
Great pass by Flacco and Mason of all people misses it.
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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:32pm
Man, Detroit looks bad today. Or Green Bay is just playing a lot better.
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:45pm
DVOA thinks the Raiders are the only team worse than Detroit, so I think their competence has been a touch over-stated in the past few weeks. I think they could take on teams like KC and St. Louis, but they're just not on the level of an even "ok" team like GB yet...
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:35pm
Brees to Colston for a long TD pass (around 40 yards), except the Giants are challenging. The replay looks like Colston will be ruled down at the one. So, a long pass to threaten again for the Saints. Replay confirms first and goal at the one. Good challenge by Coughlin.
As for the Giants pass rush, it looks pretty conventional. I didn't see any stunting and only one blitz. It looks like Brees is taking only 3 and 5-step drops and when his back foot hits, he's throwing the ball. And, those throws so far today have been on time and on target. The ball is getting out of Brees hand very fast and on most plays the rush doesn't even have time to get to Brees before he throws the ball.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:34pm
That hung in the air for 70 yards, no really, and Mason was 2 inches short of catching it...
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:34pm
Brees to Shockey to complete the drive. 14-0 Saints. So far, the Giants aren't showing that they can slow down the Saints offense.
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by sldfkjsfls (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:35pm
So how many heart attacks by fantasy football owners are attributable to upheld touchdown challenges?
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:36pm
I couldn't tell you. I don't play fantasy football.
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by Mello :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:47pm
I'm almost a statistic :) The overturned Braylon TD made me wait until the last play of the game to win (Had Brown also). I had Brees and Colston for that last TD overturned. I started Shockey too though :)
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:37pm
Hixon makes a nice return to the 50-yard line. The kicker reached out and got a handful of Hixon's jersey right at the shoulder pad and was able to whip Hixon down. He probably saved a TD.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:41pm
So far today, the Saints secondary looks much improved over previous years. One of their DBs (#22) ran step-for-step with Manningham and broke up the pass.
As I write this, Smith beats the coverage but Manning overthrows Smith by about 6 inches on what would have been a TD. Giants apparently trying for a field goal when the 2nd quarter begins.
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:43pm
Going for a field goal feels like a mistake - I know its early, but the Saints are having their way on offense. If they go up 21-3, I don't think the Giants can get out of that hole...
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:45pm
I agree. I don't think field goals are going to win the game for the Giants today.
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:48pm
And the Giants were moving that drive (as you mention, they were 6 inches from a TD) - I think you've got to take some risks if you want to hang with Brees when he's on fire like today...
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:43pm
Oops. There was a time out which stopped the clock at 0:08 to go in the first quarter. Tynes kicks a 49-yard field goal to make the score 14-3. The kickoff will end the first quarter.
Why do 2/3 of the commercials on tv play new covers of older songs? We rarely hear the actual old songs or actual new songs but covers everywhere and I really wonder if there is a reason. (Last seen: Buddy Holly's "Everyday" redone by someone and sounding very early '80s.)
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by mateo (not verified) :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 3:01am
that way the people making the commercial only pay the publishing fee to whoever wrote the song, which is basically a base amount, while not having to pay the famous performers anything. remember when microsoft paid the stones all that loot for "start me up"? not necessary with a cover version.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:49pm
Obligatory FOX stat to start the second quarter: Saints ran 21 plays for 150 yards and 2 TDs in the first quarter.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:52pm
It seems the big problem with the Giants pass rush today is they are getting no pressure up the middle, so Brees is able to step up and make his throws. The edge rushers are getting close, but Brees is stepping up inside of them.
As I write this, Brees to Meachem for a long TD. I didn't catch the distance but I think it was 50+. PAT blocked, so 20-3 Saints.
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:54pm
That blocked PAT is the only thing that has gone right for the Giants so far... this one is getting ugly quick...
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:56pm
Yeah, the Giants are hurting themselves on offense. They've had a few big play opportunities, but they seem to be a little out-of-synch. Maybe I should be giving a little more credit to the Saints defense for causing the out-of-synch.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:54pm
Sorry, the distance was 36-yards. I'm still trying to figure out how to type and watch simultaneously.
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by Still Alive (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:55pm
Allen sacks Flacco for fumble and TD return, but it is under review. If it stands the Ravens are sunk. Guess this game is answering some questions as to whether the Vikings are for real.
Super surprised by the NYG/NO start. NO looks great.
Do we know that the Ravens are good? I think they're an average team, really.
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by Still Alive (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 1:59pm
I think the thought was that MIN had not even beat an average team. I don't agree with it, but after ATL whupped SF I heard some doubts about MIN, concluded by "lets see how they do against BAL".
I haven't actually seen Flacco play before and he looks seriously good.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:07pm
I don't get to see the Ravens play very often either, but I've been impressed by Flacco, too, the few times I've seen him play.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:06pm
The Giants offense gets off life support and drives down the field to close the score to 20-10. Let's see if the offense can inspire the defense and make this a game.
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by Joseph :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:07pm
On the Steelers TD, Big Ben dropped back, scanned the field, filmed a commercial, ate a snack, looked around, and then "oh yeah--I should probably throw the ball, huh?"=TD, Heath Miller.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:08pm
Just as long as the commercial doesn't use a covered song for its music, then that's OK.
I suggest a rousing dance version of Boston's "Long Time."
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:09pm
Brandon Jacobs is being treated for a neck stinger. No word on his further availability.
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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:13pm
Clay Matthews has been all over making plays today for the Packers.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:13pm
Webster just got called for pass interference at the 12-yard line. I think it was a horrible call. He and Colston got their feet tangled up. Hochuli said Webster wasn't playing the ball, but I don't agree. To be fair to the zebras, two different officials threw flags.
The Saints offense is making it look way too easy. The Saints had several nice runs at the beginning of the drive. The Saints dial-up a sweet play-action pass play: Brees to Moore for the TD and its 27-10 Saints.
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by Joseph :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:16pm
This just in--Drew Brees and the Saints offense is REALLY, REALLY good. Not to mention they lost a defensive TD on a roughing the passer penalty. (Looked like a legit penalty--just mad that it cost Sharper ANOTHER INT TD.)
What is it with these NFC South DBs vs NFC East QBs?
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by peterplaysbass (not verified) :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 10:37am
Sharper has always owned Eli. Take a look at the Vikings-Giants games from Sharper's time in Minnesota.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:19pm
Hixon with another huge return for the Giants. First and ten Giants at the Saints 37. I think the Saints kicker might be leading the special teams in tackles right now.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:23pm
The Giants take advantage of the field position to score a TD. It was a close play. Manning was late on the throw and Sharper nearly picked him at the goal line. Nevertheless, 27-17 Saints.
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NYG @ NO
by Independent George :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:23pm
TD Giants. Of course, they left 3 minutes for Brees to march down the field.
Okay, even in highlights I've never been impressed by Ray Rice, but it seems whenever I'm not paying attention he puts up big numbers. True to form, he looks pathetic today. Is he good or not?
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:28pm
My impression is that he mostly is a jack-of-all-trades. Pretty good in pass-pro, pretty good reciever, pretty good RB. Not elite speed, but he runs rather hard.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:29pm
Drew Brees is in the zone. At the 2-minute warning, he's 17-19, 252 yards, and 2 TDs.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:32pm
That should've been 17-19, 247 yards, and 3 TDs.
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:30pm
3 and 1 for Brees at the Giants 1. Huge play coming up...
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:32pm
Stuffed!
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:34pm
Tough call - I think that's a TD. Can't overturn it, though....
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:33pm
A great goal line stand. Will that bring the Giants defense back to life?
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by Phil :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:30pm
This possession in the end zone stuff has gotten out of hand. Hines Ward just caught the ball in the end zone, got two feet down, held on as it hit the ground, rolled over out of bounds and the ball came out as he was done rolling over. No catch. Should WRs bring the balls with them to the sideline? Do we need to time how long someone holds onto the ball in the end zone? I don't even know what a catch is anymore.
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by Harris :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:33pm
Man, Thomas ran like a straight punk on 4th-and-goal. Lower your shoulder and drive, wimp.
Hail Hydra!
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:35pm
Good point. He did seem rather tentative like he was waiting for a hole to open up. Stick your nose in and make a hole!
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Nobody Talks About Drew Brees
by Big-Hairy-Andy (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:36pm
Commentary in the Saints game about Drew Bress: "I don't know how you can talk about the elite quarterbacks in the league and not put him in there". Does anybody actually exclude him from that list anymore? I really feel like more people talk about how he's excluded from that list than actually exclude him in the first place. Is that just because I'm selective about where I read my NFL commentary - are there really that many people who don't count Drew Bress as one of the best QBs in the league?
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Re: Nobody Talks About Drew Brees
by ar4t :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:38pm
You're paying attention to Fox commentators? Just by being in this website you know about 50% more about the game.
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Re: Nobody Talks About Drew Brees
by Big-Hairy-Andy (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:45pm
I'm in the UK - even FoxSports' commentators are better than Kevin Cadle and Johnnie "Could I BE More Patronising?" Mitchell. It's also not like I can just turn on the radio and get a different commentary feed - even FoxSports' team is better than silence. Barely, but still better.
At least SkySports finally ditched Mitchell from their studio team - instead we have the dulcit tones of Mike Holmgren. Yay for niche sports.
My father doesn't. I usually use him as my standard for "regular fans." (i.e., those who believe all the b.s. the announcers spout every week.) He says the best QBs in the league are Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Tom Brady, and Joe Flacco.
I can't explain that list, either, so don't ask me.
He does play fantasy, actually. He always finishes near the bottom and doesn't seem to understand why.
But I mean they just accept that "wisdom" as the Truth of Football--you have to run to set up the pass, you shouldn't go for it on 4th down unless you have to, etc. I think there are a lot of fans like that.
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by ar4t :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:52pm
We need men like that in every league. God bless him.
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by doubleipa (not verified) :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 2:11am
So smart and true. The best fantasy QB always wins the super bowl.
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by Harris :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:40pm
Probably the same oafs who think Eli is an elite QB.
Lost 10 seconds and didn't even pick up the blitz. Jesus.
-- Go Phins!
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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by Independent George :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:41pm
I actually like the fact that they didn't spike the ball, but yeah - if your'e going to take that much time on the line of scrimmage, you've got to see the blitz coming.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:39pm
Now, the circus has arrived. Manning is strip sacked. After the ball bounces a bit, Shanley picks up the fumble and runs it to the 7-yard line. Now the question is, did Shanley fumble at the 7 or was he down be contact. If it's a fumble, I think the Giants recovered in the end zone, which would be a safety.
Kareem Mackenzie stepped on the ball during the play, hurt his left leg, and had to be carted from the field.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:41pm
The play was ruled down at the 7-yard line, which was upheld. First and goal Saints.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:43pm
And, that might be the dagger in the Giants. Bush runs around left end for the 7-yard TD. 34-17 Saints. That was quite the turn-around. It looked like Manning was going to drive the Giants for at least a field goal. Looking a MacKenzie's injury, I don't think he'll be back so the Giants will have to make adjustments on the offensive line. I don't think I've seen Brandon Jacobs back since his neck stinger, either.
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by ar4t :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:47pm
You're kidding right? I call over 80 pts scored in this game. Fantasy Apocalypse.
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:50pm
Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a 34-17 game at halftime where I thought the outcome was 100% still up in the air...
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by Big-Hairy-Andy (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:48pm
Technicality - wouldn't it be a touchback rather than a safety, as possession had changed then changed back?
I'm pretty sure it would have turned out (bizarrely) as a good play for the Giants - they'd have the ball, first and ten at the 20.
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NYG @ NO
by Independent George :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:39pm
Interesting situation with the fumble - because of the clock, the Saints are actually better off if Shanle is down on the 5 rather than getting the safety.
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Re: NYG @ NO
by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:40pm
18 seconds and 1 timeout is more than enough time for Brees to do something today...
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by Sergio :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:41pm
Would it have been a safety, though??
Possession changed to NO, so it should be a touchback, right?
-- Go Phins!
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:44pm
That sounds right, but I can honestly say I don't know.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:45pm
That's a very good question. I think you're right.
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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by Ben :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:40pm
Wow, such much for the momentum of the goal line stand by the Giants..
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:46pm
St. Louis still holding on to their lead into the 3rd quarter. After the blowout last week in Seattle, do we have to put Jax in with the truly crappy teams like KC and Detroit?
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by ar4t :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:48pm
I favor badly coached. Del Rio should go back to the macarena.
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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:51pm
One of the fantasy leagues I'm in has a 2 point deduction for quarterback sacks. My QB choice was Aaron Rodgers vs Detroit or Matt Schaub vs Cincy. Figuring the packers would torch detroit with 3 starters out, I chose Rodgers, and I was right, but the same old offensive line problems are still there, unfortunately. I think I've lose 8 points so far with the sacks.
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by ar4t :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:53pm
Clinton Portis sighting
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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:54pm
I've been trying to keep up with the half-time show. Yes, I'm a masochist.
Dante Wesley (Panthers) was ejected from the game. I didn't see what he did, but it caused a fairly impressive fight.
Jason Campbell has been benched.
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by Lealand :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:06pm
I think he was the guy that crushed Clifton Smith on a kick return, even though Smith either signaled fair catch or wasn't able to return it. Smith was injured and Wesley argued, so he was ejected.
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by roguerouge :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:46pm
That coward gave the returner a concussion. Takes a real man to hit a defenseless player.
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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:55pm
Todd Collins appears to be in for Jason Campbell. Was there an injury or a benching?
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by ar4t :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:56pm
OMG! Is that Todd Collins' music?
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:57pm
unfortunately, yes.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:57pm
It was a benching. I think I heard Chris's shout of joy and/or vindication all the way up here in Fairbanks.
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by Harris :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:57pm
Benched. Zorn's job is now dependent on the play of Todd Collins.
Hail Hydra!
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:07pm
As an Eagles fan, I'm actually thrilled. Campbell obviously had his flaws, be he always seemed to bring his A-game against the Eagles. I feel like its been years since they beat the Redskins... (ok, so the Skins only won 3 out of the last 4, but still)
You think Zorn can save his job under any circumstances?
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by DEW (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:21pm
If by some miracle he's not out after this game, basically the Skins will have to win out and look good doing it. That's pretty much the size of it. And the scary thing is, what with Dallas's play earlier this year and today's NYG and PHI results, it looks more or and more like the division really was there for the taking. Not that the Skins are glowing with talent, either, but they have enough players to at least be in the discussion in a down year for the division as a whole, and they're botching their opportunities. That's the third winless team this year to come in and not be the '08 Lions at the expense of the Skins.
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by Yaxley :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 2:55pm
I'm starting to think opposing defenses could throw James Harrison to the ground and smother him to death with a pillow, and they still wouldn't call holding.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:02pm
James Harrison in "answer to Pittsburgh's offensive blocking concerns" shocker!
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:04pm
To be fair, he's a very good defensive player and the NFL has an explicit "stop very good defensive players from doing their job" policy.
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by ar4t :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:06pm
Roger Goddell just called. He wants to have a meeting to discuss your statement.
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:08pm
Why is The Man always trying to bring me down? I hate The Man.
Now on that play Rice did look good. Good balance and a really strong stiff-arm.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:03pm
Brandon Jacobs started the second half. No word on MacKenzie.
And, as I type this, Hochuli's crew calls their one annual, obligatory offensive pass interference pick play on the Giants. I didn't see the pick. It's certain that there are numerous other much more blatant picks that occur in every NFL game that never get called.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:08pm
"Doctor, I think we have a faint pulse." The Giants hold the Saints for the first time today. The Giants got a little pressure on Brees on the third down play.
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by miqewalsh :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:13pm
Greer picks Manning. "Doctor, the patient's flatlined!"
Quite true, but I'm really wondering about Dierdorf commenting about "of [Vikings' QB's] generation." Who really is in the same generation? It seems to me like it's about 3 years either way of when the QB in question is drafted, but 2 may make more sense. I was just curious if anyone else had a thought.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:21pm
Who is the Vikings' QB again? ;)
I tend to interpret that as referring to anybody who played regularly at the same time as him. For example, I'd count Matt Ryan as part of Peyton Manning's generation, and Rich Gannon as part of Peyton Manning's generation, but not Matt Ryan and Rich Gannon as part of each other's generation.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:42pm
By that definition, Testaverde's generation stretches as far as from 1978 (Steve DeBerg first season as a regular) to ca. 2017 (Roethlisberger retires) ~= 50 years.
Could be, but he also looked like he was emerging 2 years ago, at least to me.
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:16pm
Yeah, he's one of those guys fast enough to produce a few "holy cow!" plays every now and then, but he hasn't demonstrated anything resembling consistency...
I will repeat what I've been saying this year--he looks very much like early Rod Smith: Some speed (though not an absolute burner) and makes a circus grab that you say, "Did he really just catch that?" every three weeks but then promptly drops one on the numbers and falls down on a route. That's how Smith looked, at least to me (and for what it's worth my father agrees) when I was 10-11 years old. Smith just seemed to suddenly "get it" in his third year (at age 27), so maybe that will happen with Rice (who is in his third year and 23 years old).
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by doubleipa (not verified) :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 2:15am
I think you should just talk to him.
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by peterplaysbass (not verified) :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 10:47am
I disagree. He's not that fast, but he's tall (6'4", I think) and has good hands. With a QB that requires defenses to worry about Berrian and Shiancoe (and, of course, the running game), Rice has had good success in 1-1 matchups. Also, Favre seems to favor Rice in 1-1 because he rarely gets the top corner and has great leaping ability (see his two onside kick recoveries against Green Bay).
That one huge pass (there were two on the day that I can recall) where he angled sharply toward the sideline before getting caught running straight up the field showed that he doesn't have elite speed OR enough poise to remember to take the smarter angle straight toward the pilon. I like Rice a lot, and I think this year's experience could help him to become a valuable receiver for many years.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:20pm
Good point
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:14pm
"Doctor, the patient's gone back into arrest!" Saints blitz Sharper, who Bradshaw fails to pick up. Manning throws it up for grabs (he was hit a little on the throw). Interception by Greer of the Saints. Another nice little drive down the tubes.
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by Independent George :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:18pm
For all the talk about the Giants DB injuries, this one's on the D-Line. They're getting no pressure at all.
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:20pm
They also failed to get any sacks against TB. FO's adjusted sack rate says their the best in the league, but this game they sure don't look like it... Do they have any injuries?
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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:21pm
That's true. Maybe we should be giving the Saints offensive line credit for shutting down the Giants defensive line.
And Brees is really, really good at avoiding sacks.
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by Independent George :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:45pm
Drew Bledoe wouldn't have gotten sacked today.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:47pm
Ouch! That's harsh. Probably true, but harsh.
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:18pm
Todd Collins, unsurprisingly, looks just as bad as Campbell. I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned but there's some chance (maybe) that team has offense line problems.
Maybe Collins just needs to get in his groove. Or maybe playingg your 37 year old career backup QB is never really a solution to your problems.
Though that may violate my first rule of the NFL--never count on a quarterback from my college (Colorado). Since he transferred to Hawaii, I don't know whether he counts.
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:28pm
I think if Brennan had made enough progress to be a real option, he'd be on the field right now. What does playing Todd Collins for a week or two (or until the end of the year) get you?
If you're Jim Zorn, a slight chance of being able to scapegoat Jason Campbell for the team's underwhelming start.
If you're a Redskins fan, nothing.
If you're an opponent, full knowledge that the ball will never travel more than 15 yards when you play them.
And I agree about Brennan in general, but if Collins plays REALLY badly, is there a possibility? Not to mention that Zorn & co. have not exactly shown competence so far in his tenure.
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by Eric G. (not verified) :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 10:25am
Boy, I'm glad I don't have to watch the Chiefs@Redskins. That game must be intolerable. I wonder which team will summon up the most feathers.
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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:21pm
I think a 6-6 tie has to be one of the most insulting (to the audience) scores in football.
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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:20pm
Wow. amazing one-handed grab by Driver with a db holding one of his hands...
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:26pm
I'm going to declare the patient dead: 40-17 late in Q3... Tag 'em and bag 'em.
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by Independent George :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:29pm
I forgot to sub out the Giants D on my fantasy team. They're scoring a -2 so far.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:27pm
Well, to put my medical metaphor mercifully to rest, at this point I think the only hope for the Giants is if Dr. Frankenstein shows up to reanimate their moldering corpse allowing them to go on a rampage of football destruction. I'm not holding my breath.
If I were John Harbaugh, Walker may never play again after that.
Minnesota already has a free play and you interfere to make sure they get the yardage?
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by peterplaysbass (not verified) :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 10:50am
I thought the same thing. Rice ended up making the catch anyway, but what a bone-headed interference.
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:31pm
Glancing at the stats, I see Anderson in Cleveland has decided to seriously challenge JaMarcus for the title of "worst."
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:33pm
I'd say that one's a toss-up, but I don't trust anyone to come down with the coin.
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by Independent George :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:40pm
To be settled Sunday, Dec. 27 in Cleveland. The worst man is the best man.
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:36pm
I thought that was already established last week.
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:40pm
Anderson could've easily been a one-week wonder. To compete with JaMarcus you need to get the job done week in, week out. You can't be a terrible, putrid Qb for 3 quarters and expect to challenge the master...
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:43pm
At what point does DVOA for these guys get renamed to DVUA?
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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:38pm
Now, now. He currently has 3 1/2 times the number of completions than he had last week.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:33pm
I know the season's young and we're still dealing with small sample sizes, but right now you'd have to think the Saints are strong contender for the NFC championship.
I had them in the NFC title game before the season and I'm starting to think I underestimated them.
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:34pm
Now that Giants/NO is out of hand, I flipped over to Carolina/Bucs - it's actually turning out to be a game. Both teams are playing with a lot of passion... Josh Johnson ain't so bad...
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:37pm
And a terrible pick 6 from Delhomme...
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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:35pm
wtf?! who the hell decides to leave Jared Allen unblocked on a pass play?
I think he probably could have gotten to the QB faster if he weren't laughing at that himself.
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by peterplaysbass (not verified) :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 10:51am
I'm less and less upset about Minnesota passing on Oher in the draft to net Harvin/Loadholt. That play had me chuckling, too.
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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:39pm
Right before the commercial in the Ravens/Vikings game, commentators said that the Vikings turnaround was due to somebody "just having fun out there..."
From being a decent team whose biggest weakness was the passing game, to being an elite team that can beat you in every way. Although it's still to early in the year, but it's never to early to have the "Just Having Fun" speech.
I meant how big of a margin does there need to be and/or how much time left, not that they should have been already at the point I said that. I was rather unclear, sorry.
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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:51pm
Ah, gotcha.
Well, if they can't score a TD on this coming drive, I would say at that point.
Okay, I'd say now there is no possibility of reaching that point.
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:44pm
This just in: Mark Clayton caught a football pass.
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:45pm
Carolina with a long (10 or 12 play) drive and I think they've also passed once. They should just do that every time. Williams and Stewart are pretty darn good...
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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:47pm
Wooo! AP!
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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:50pm
Nooooo!! AP hurt on a play. Possibly out for more than this game, given the footage.
And I can hear a collective holding of breath throughout the Twin Cities as AD goes down.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:52pm
And, we get the circus reprise. The Saints get a rush on Manning, who starts running backwards, figures out that's a bad idea, curls around towards the near sideline, and then heaves a pass into the end zone from around the 20. There are about 5 Saints defenders and 2 or 3 Giants players in the end zone. The Saints nearly intercept, but the ball somehow falls into Brandon Jacobs's hands. But, the Giants are called for holding. Finally, on 4th down, the Giants kick a field goal.
If he hadn't done so already, Easterbrook just wrote "Game over!" in his notebook.
Well, maybe it would be more accurate to say that the ball fell into his hands and he didn't drop it.
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by chemical burn :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:52pm
Wow. Carolina with the go ahead score, 29 seconds left in the game. Started the drive at 8:32. 1 pass play. That's some power football and ball control.
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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:53pm
Ray Rice will not...be...DENIED!
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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:54pm
Sonova... Ray Rice just went down the field thanks to some really crappy Viking tackling. TD on the next play.
I have not been impressed with the Vikings' defense yet this season.
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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:59pm
Well, I guess we'll get to see if they can stiffen up and stop the Raven's from winning in the last few seconds.
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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:02pm
Jesus, that was a giant fall on their face by the defense. This is embarrassing.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:56pm
I just looked up to see that the Lambs may be on the verge of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. And, that the Chefs appear to have better access to the feather merchants.
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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 3:57pm
... and now Percy Harvin is injured on a kickoff return. Reinjured shoulder.
He actually has a fair amount of them, too, so I guess that's just luck.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:00pm
Well, the Redskins look like they're going to give the Chiefs their first win of the year. I think I'll put the over/under on the number of hours Zorn has left as the Redskins' head coach at 6.
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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 11:01pm
Just saw surfing the internet that Zorn has been stripped of play calling duties. So, it looks like he'll keep his head coaching job for at least another game.
I just switched over to the Ravens@Vikings game. What a run by Rice, although Johnson took a horrible angle. Where has the vaunted Vikings' run defense gone?
(It was too easy not to say it, no need for anyone to scream at me.)
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:07pm
Well played!
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by Independent George :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:05pm
The problem is Baltimore left 3:37 on the clock. All MIN needs is a FG.
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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:08pm
True, but at this rate the Vikings are going to give it back only up a partial score (FG or TD) with plenty of time for our D to lay another giant egg.
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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:06pm
Thank god for Vikings QB, since he can actually make plays instead of the bumbling of Jackson.
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:12pm
Well...Roger Rabbit is one tough cookie. Let's just hope that the injuries to Benny (Adrian Peterson) and Herman (Percy Harvin) aren't very serious. Oh yeah, and the run defense gets better.
P.S. Ray Rice will not be denied.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:10pm
I see AP's back for the Vikings. Is he playing hurt or was the earlier injury not as bad as thought?
He seemed to be walking a bit gingerly between plays, so he may be playing hurt. Though I didn't see him take more than 5 steps like that so perhaps he's fine.
So, now I face this choice: Which is actually a worse assault on the senses of a football fan, JaMarcus Russell or Phil Simms?
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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:29pm
Well, with Oakland you can listen, but try not to watch (save your eyes), but with Sims, you can watch without sound (duller game), though make sure closed captioning is also off (reading sims is just cruel).
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:30pm
JaMarcus Russell without a doubt. You can always mute the Cretin. The only way to avoid Russell is to turn off the TV, which means you're not watching football at all.
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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:26pm
Doom: That's right! You'll never stop me! You're dead! You're all dead!
Well, I never thought I'd have anything nice to say about the throw-back AFL official's uniforms, but, you know, they're easier to see against the snow.
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Last week's thread was hilarious. I can't jump on during the games, though, unless someone finds me a good babysitter.
By the way, any guesses as to how many points the Raiders will score this week? Pick a number between 1 and 10? Anyone?
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42. That's the answer to life, the universe, and everything...oh that's right, it's Oakland we're talking about. Maybe -42?
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It's the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. Which is an important distinction, because Earth would not exist but for want of the question.
Sorry for being nitpicky but I'm rather obsessive about Douglas Adams.
Okay, strike the rather. I think anyone who actually owns "The Salmon of Doubt" and read every page of it has to say they're obsessed. I mean, it includes a three-page (I think--going off of memory) story about his nose, for crying out loud!
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Can you name the doctor who serials he wrote? Then you're truly obsessed. :-)
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I'm ashamed to admit that not only can I not do so, but I've never seen any "Doctor Who" at all. I was 4 years old when it went off the air (according to the imdb, anyway).
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Not Really.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who
You'll love David Tennant.
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Tennant is indeed pretty awesome, but I think by some point in series four he'd somewhat jumped the shark - at least on every non-Moffat script. The constant gurning and "Alons-y, Alonso"-ing and so on was starting to squash out actual character, in both the writing and the performance. Can't wait for Moffat to take over full time - the man is a genius. Also, the new companion is hot.
I was actually at university with Harry Lloyd, who played Son of Mine in the Family of Blood double in season 3. Good guy, and a fantastic actor - definitely one who deserves the success he's getting.
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One and five, baby, one and five!
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Raiders gong to score 24 points vs eagles. getting to 2-4 today. a couple game slater going to be 4-4 and ctahcing up to broncos who going to lose on Monday nit to chargers.
giants at Saints cood game to wtahc at early time. then settle in for eagls-oakland game. with some Sierra Nevadas and food
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The Raiders are in the process of Shocking the World, and RaiderJoe called it. Props, brutha.
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After reading the rulebook for the past hour i cant find anywhere where it says its a touchdown if you get the ball to the 1 yard line. So why did the broncos get a touchdown on their last drive again?!?
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picture under this on main page show chiefs lady riding horse. did chiefs only do that special for game vs cowobys? Maybe. If did then becuause it was legacy game and in 1960s Chiefs guy dressed like indiana ride around on horose between bench and stands. then tema move to arrowhead Stadium and mayeb not have enough room for hose riding
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I really like the Hitchhiker's Guide series, but my favorite book of all time is Good Omens. What a book. I think we should come up with names for the worst teams like they do in that book, like 'things that don't work even after you give them a good thumping," that sort of thing...
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Ankh-Morpork Hippos? With Rincewind at QB?
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Granny Weatherwax at free-safety - doesn't actually tackle anyone, but most people get the feeling that scoring would be a bad idea...
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Vetenari is the Coach. Leonardo is the Offensive coordinator.
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I will read that one at some point. I consider all recommendations from Hitchhiker's Guide fans.
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Late 20th Century English satirical speculative fiction is going to be a recognised/studied movement at some point in the future, and Pratchett and Adams are the two leading figures within it. I think Adams was probably the more talented writer, but Pratchett overall produced the better oevre. Pratchett's a perfectionist who honed his craft over years of practice and self-edited with serious rigour. He started off writing Hitchhiker's-but-fantasy-and-not-quite-as-good sprawling cod-epic romps, but over time found his true voice in much more tightly structured/plotted satires. By the time he'd got things down pat (somewhere around Reaper Man, by my reckoning) the prose style, characterisation and plotting were immaculate, the jokes were still extremely funny and the whole thing just worked - and worked pretty much every time. Adams, on the other hand, found writing extremely difficult and could seldom be bothered to really polish up his work. As a result, most of his novels are, to my mind, brilliant in many places but messy and rambling in others - the exceptions being Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency and Last Chance to See (not that that's a novel, but you get the point).
Good Omens is brilliant. The collaboration between Pratchett and Gaiman seems to have worked remarkably well, given that the book is miles better than anything else Pratchett had written by that time or would for several years afterwards, and miles better than anything else Gaiman has ever written period.
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I've never read Pratchett for a strange reason: I have a friend who loves his work and I have absolutely no respect for her opinion on literature. I'm not sure she could even name another author. She claimed she had never previoiusly heard of "Hamlet." So I long assumed that he must not be any good. I have heard his name mentioned admiringly by other Adams fans elsewhere, though, so I should bite the bullet on it.
And I agree that Adams tended to be brilliant in places but rambling and messy in others, though I always thought the rambling was actually part of what made him so funny.
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I think I was 10 when I first read Hitchhikers Guide and I was hooked thereafter. Although, thinking back, shortly after that I saw the Holy Grail for the first time (circa 1980). I also liked the Jason Cosmo series, although more for how they made fun of the genre than anything else. Oh yes, and how can I forget the Stainless Steel Rat series? The first two or three books were really good; however, everything after Harrison introduced the twins went downhill. So he's sort of the literary equivalent of L.L Cool J. I kept on buying his albums after Walking With a Panther came out, hoping against hope that it would be good, but kept on being disappointed.
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No, Pratchett's very, very good indeed. I'd read Good Omens or Nation first, as they're (by a distance) the two best non-Discworld books. There are something like 35 Discworld novels, and the earliest ones are definitely not the best (though still pretty good), so rather than jump in mid-series or try to form a judgment based on something that is definitely not his best work I'd go for one of the above-mentioned. Though at the end of the day it is all, of course, words, words, words.
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I totally agree that Good Omens is a work of genius but I found Nation to be really disapointing. The really bleak way it starts clashed really awkwardly with the later quasi-comic subplot (or so I thought) and what was all the drivel about 'the Crown'? I actually told my brother it wasn't really worth reading and I wouldn't have said that about a Pratchett novel (aimed at adults) for a long while.
Then again I thought the first two discworld novels were as funny as anything he has written since. They weren't as well rounded so there are some incongruities with later stories but they were a bit darker and less anodine and formulaic as some of his later books.
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week 6 picks
vikings 27, ravens 22
bucs 19, pathers 13
Steelers 34, browns 6
Packers 42, Lions 23
Texams 27, bengals 16
redksins 13, chefs 7
Saints 30, giants 20
jakuars 31, rams 3
seattle 26, cardinals 24
Raiders 24, eagles 14
Jets 28, bills 0
pates 33, titnas 10
falcs 34, bears 27
Chargers 38, roncos 14
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redksins 13, chefs 7
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I think the craziest thing about Raiderjoe is that all of those non-Raider picks are very reasonable. Looking his picks over, the winners and scores all make perfect sense. In that context, Raiders 24- Eagles 14 seems almost plausible.
Also, his mangled sorta phonetic spelling of "jakuars" is beautiful.
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On what planet does that seem plausible? I've been looking to vacation in a magical fairlyland of rainbows and unicorns.
Hail Hydra!
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I just mean plausible in the sense of "hey, here's this score, just hanging out here with all the other reasonable picks. nothing funny about it. just another pick amongst picks. it could happen. it's surely not being put out there as an act of psychotic homerism."
also, i don't think the Raiders will win, but don't jinx it man. The Eagles tied the Bengals last year. They TIED the 4-11-1 Bengals. You just never know what improbable depths are actually possible with this team...
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The Raiders are perfectly capable of going 1-15, but point taken.
Hail Hydra!
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The curse is strong with this one.
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Prediction: Redskins 13 Chiefs 7
Reality: Redskins 6 Chief 14
Plausible? I think so.
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Raiderjoe I'll never doubt you again.
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I hope these threads do come back to life, like last week. I used to really enjoy reading them along with Audibles on Monday.
I know there is a FO IRC channel that folks use during the games. Out of curiosity for anyone who does use IRC, why do you use that instead of the game threads? Back in the day, the old game threads would totally choke on Sundays, but those days are past...
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IRC has the advantage of immediacy, and more consistent interactivity. There is no need to hit F5 every couple minutes. Most of the time, questions about any game get answered quickly. I guess there are flash or javascript widgets made for live-blogging or chatting that approximate that advantage, but FO does not use any of them, which is fine, since IRC just works. Basically, message boards are great for thoughtful discussion during the week, but during games, IRC gives you quicker interaction at the expense of deeper insight.
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Seems like they're trying to push these up again.
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Word is Browns have interesting special teams. I figure their offense and defense are special teams - in the same sense that my daughter teaches special ed.
Go Steelers.
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Rainy and cold here in New England, so it should be a sloppy game in Foxboro.
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And by gametime it's supposed to be very windy. But since Brady can't throw a long ball anymore it may not matter.
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I have to agree, reading RJ's picks, I found myself nodding and saying, "yeah, that's plausible."
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It's good to see some "pre-game chatter" here this week. My fingers thank you.
I have Ravens@Vikings for the early game. Then, I have Titans@Patriots and Cardinals@Seahawks (yea!) for the late games.
Looking over RaiderJoe's picks, I like the Ravens, Eagles, and Broncos to win. I can't argue with the rest of his picks.
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Grrr. Damn Fox affiliate changed their mind or the TV Guide lied. I have the Giants@Saints for two early games, which means no Cardinals@Seahawks for me. Dammit!
Even though it makes me mad, I'll be watching the Giants@Saints more than Ravens@Vikings, at least to start.
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I'll be on BAL@MIN, with NYG@NO on the side.
Late games... I don't even know what's on. :P
-- Go Phins!
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I guess all of us who were lucky enough to get the Ravens-Vikings game, will have to take the "Favre won the game" angle one more time, as in "Look at Favre the Great, by not watching the FG try by the Ravens, he was able to distract the kicker ina masterful way, the way only Favre can do".
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Dear Lord.
One local affiliate is actually broadcasting the Pittsburgh game. They don't even *have* to broadcast an AFC game...
Pity for them.
-- Go Phins!
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I have Bal@Min (who would have guessed that in Minnesota?) and then an incredible choice between Ten@NE and Phi@Oak . . . I think I might skip the second game and read instead.
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Ooh--great announcing start. Loadholt is one of the "highlights" of the Vikings' offensive line over Steve Hutchinson (who then gets mentioned but is separated from the "highlights").
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Whee. Ravens @ Vikings. Because, why would Philadelphians want to see a division rival play a game pitting two of the best teams in the conference against each other when we can listen to grown men deep-throat an elderly hillbilly? Good call, FOX.
Hail Hydra!
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Can you be both a hillbilly and a jeans model (or drama queen for that matter)?
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He's the Prima Viking. He can be anything he wants to be, if he can manage to make a decision.
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I always used to call him "The completely flat-out broke homeless with no prospects for improvement man's Elway."
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What an odd and non-thought-provoking comment. What do you call him now, other than 6-0?
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I've got BAL @ MIN on CBS, and NYG @ NO on Fox.
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Whee. Ravens @ Vikings. Because, why would Philadelphians want to see a division rival play a game pitting two of the best teams in the conference against each other when we can listen to grown men deep-throat an elderly hillbilly? Good call, FOX.
Hail Hydra!
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Well, that was a quick start to the Vikings game.
Followed by a commercial for 2012 . . . it looks even worse than it sounds.
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There was a nice completion from Brees to Moore a moment ago. Brees threw into double coverage and Webster got a hand on the ball, but Moore managed to catch it. Meanwhile, the Giants don't seem to be generating much of a pass rush early, so the Saints are marching down the field.
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An early gamble by the Saints. They're going for it on 4th and less than yard from the one yard line. A run, a leap over the line, and it's a TD for the Saints.
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It was a 15 play drive for the Saints.
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loved that they went for it - I think they need to put the hammer down to win, conserative ball doesn't seem like it will cut it against a team as good in the air as the Giants...
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Yep, a good call there. If they fail, it's first and ten Giants from their one or two yard line. That's a good trade-off.
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a vikings touchdown followed by a commercial for what could be the end of the world? They should have shown that after a cleveland touchdown...
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I think they want to show the ad at least once today.
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Saints go for it on 4th and 1 from the Giants two... and score!
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Where is the NYG pass rush?
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I'll try to watch closer on the next drive. I spent too much time watching Brees on the first drive.
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Well, it was fun while it lasted - St. Louis no longer up on Jax...
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I take it back - extra point botched!
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Manning slightly under throws a deep pass and Greer, who was initially beaten, was able to cut behind the receiver (#87) to knock the ball away. After one first down, the Giants punt into the end zone.
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The talking head just threw out that this was the first opening drive of the season where the Giants did not score.
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Perhaps this game will finally get some people to recognize that Baltimore's defense is not good this year?
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Weeee... 14-0 for the Vikes on a nice, maybe unintentional and therefore a good non-call, pick play. Just marching around the field.
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We all know there is only one true star FO poster: Raiderjoe.
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Amen. Like Colonel Kurtz, Raiderjoe is a Great Man. And we, like Photo Journalist (seriously, that's how Dennis Hopper is credited), are Little Men.
Please understand, I am not suggesting anyone go across the bay to assassinate Joe. Analogies should only be taken so far.
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Holy crap, Flacco threw that far... and Mason was far too open.
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Great pass by Flacco and Mason of all people misses it.
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Man, Detroit looks bad today. Or Green Bay is just playing a lot better.
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DVOA thinks the Raiders are the only team worse than Detroit, so I think their competence has been a touch over-stated in the past few weeks. I think they could take on teams like KC and St. Louis, but they're just not on the level of an even "ok" team like GB yet...
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Brees to Colston for a long TD pass (around 40 yards), except the Giants are challenging. The replay looks like Colston will be ruled down at the one. So, a long pass to threaten again for the Saints. Replay confirms first and goal at the one. Good challenge by Coughlin.
As for the Giants pass rush, it looks pretty conventional. I didn't see any stunting and only one blitz. It looks like Brees is taking only 3 and 5-step drops and when his back foot hits, he's throwing the ball. And, those throws so far today have been on time and on target. The ball is getting out of Brees hand very fast and on most plays the rush doesn't even have time to get to Brees before he throws the ball.
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That hung in the air for 70 yards, no really, and Mason was 2 inches short of catching it...
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Brees to Shockey to complete the drive. 14-0 Saints. So far, the Giants aren't showing that they can slow down the Saints offense.
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So how many heart attacks by fantasy football owners are attributable to upheld touchdown challenges?
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I couldn't tell you. I don't play fantasy football.
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I'm almost a statistic :) The overturned Braylon TD made me wait until the last play of the game to win (Had Brown also). I had Brees and Colston for that last TD overturned. I started Shockey too though :)
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Hixon makes a nice return to the 50-yard line. The kicker reached out and got a handful of Hixon's jersey right at the shoulder pad and was able to whip Hixon down. He probably saved a TD.
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So far today, the Saints secondary looks much improved over previous years. One of their DBs (#22) ran step-for-step with Manningham and broke up the pass.
As I write this, Smith beats the coverage but Manning overthrows Smith by about 6 inches on what would have been a TD. Giants apparently trying for a field goal when the 2nd quarter begins.
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Going for a field goal feels like a mistake - I know its early, but the Saints are having their way on offense. If they go up 21-3, I don't think the Giants can get out of that hole...
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I agree. I don't think field goals are going to win the game for the Giants today.
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And the Giants were moving that drive (as you mention, they were 6 inches from a TD) - I think you've got to take some risks if you want to hang with Brees when he's on fire like today...
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Oops. There was a time out which stopped the clock at 0:08 to go in the first quarter. Tynes kicks a 49-yard field goal to make the score 14-3. The kickoff will end the first quarter.
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Why do 2/3 of the commercials on tv play new covers of older songs? We rarely hear the actual old songs or actual new songs but covers everywhere and I really wonder if there is a reason. (Last seen: Buddy Holly's "Everyday" redone by someone and sounding very early '80s.)
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that way the people making the commercial only pay the publishing fee to whoever wrote the song, which is basically a base amount, while not having to pay the famous performers anything. remember when microsoft paid the stones all that loot for "start me up"? not necessary with a cover version.
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Obligatory FOX stat to start the second quarter: Saints ran 21 plays for 150 yards and 2 TDs in the first quarter.
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It seems the big problem with the Giants pass rush today is they are getting no pressure up the middle, so Brees is able to step up and make his throws. The edge rushers are getting close, but Brees is stepping up inside of them.
As I write this, Brees to Meachem for a long TD. I didn't catch the distance but I think it was 50+. PAT blocked, so 20-3 Saints.
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That blocked PAT is the only thing that has gone right for the Giants so far... this one is getting ugly quick...
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Yeah, the Giants are hurting themselves on offense. They've had a few big play opportunities, but they seem to be a little out-of-synch. Maybe I should be giving a little more credit to the Saints defense for causing the out-of-synch.
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Sorry, the distance was 36-yards. I'm still trying to figure out how to type and watch simultaneously.
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Allen sacks Flacco for fumble and TD return, but it is under review. If it stands the Ravens are sunk. Guess this game is answering some questions as to whether the Vikings are for real.
Super surprised by the NYG/NO start. NO looks great.
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Do we know that the Ravens are good? I think they're an average team, really.
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I think the thought was that MIN had not even beat an average team. I don't agree with it, but after ATL whupped SF I heard some doubts about MIN, concluded by "lets see how they do against BAL".
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Okay.
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I've been drinking the "Ravens are an elite defense" Kool-aid for too long, I guess.
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If it stands, that will be two fumble returns for TDs in consecutive weeks for Allen. I wonder how many times that's been done before.
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Someone else had the return I think.
Also it was reversed. Ravens punt.
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I don't know how often that's happened, but didn't Mike Brown have overtime pick sixes in consecutive games for the Bears several years ago?
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So Cadillac,Benson and the Saints D against the Giants all are good fantasy plays apparently. Anyone else feel like heading for a shelter?
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Did I just see ray lewis shed a block and make a tackle?
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Manning throws a horrible pick (he was baited by Sharper), but is rescued by a correctly called roughing the passer penalty.
I love watching games called by Ed Hochuli.
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I haven't actually seen Flacco play before and he looks seriously good.
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I don't get to see the Ravens play very often either, but I've been impressed by Flacco, too, the few times I've seen him play.
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The Giants offense gets off life support and drives down the field to close the score to 20-10. Let's see if the offense can inspire the defense and make this a game.
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On the Steelers TD, Big Ben dropped back, scanned the field, filmed a commercial, ate a snack, looked around, and then "oh yeah--I should probably throw the ball, huh?"=TD, Heath Miller.
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Just as long as the commercial doesn't use a covered song for its music, then that's OK.
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I suggest a rousing dance version of Boston's "Long Time."
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Brandon Jacobs is being treated for a neck stinger. No word on his further availability.
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Clay Matthews has been all over making plays today for the Packers.
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Webster just got called for pass interference at the 12-yard line. I think it was a horrible call. He and Colston got their feet tangled up. Hochuli said Webster wasn't playing the ball, but I don't agree. To be fair to the zebras, two different officials threw flags.
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Now we have "All You Need is Love."
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The Saints offense is making it look way too easy. The Saints had several nice runs at the beginning of the drive. The Saints dial-up a sweet play-action pass play: Brees to Moore for the TD and its 27-10 Saints.
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This just in--Drew Brees and the Saints offense is REALLY, REALLY good. Not to mention they lost a defensive TD on a roughing the passer penalty. (Looked like a legit penalty--just mad that it cost Sharper ANOTHER INT TD.)
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Daren Sharper:Eli Manning :: Ronde Barber:Donovan McNabb
What is it with these NFC South DBs vs NFC East QBs?
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Sharper has always owned Eli. Take a look at the Vikings-Giants games from Sharper's time in Minnesota.
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Hixon with another huge return for the Giants. First and ten Giants at the Saints 37. I think the Saints kicker might be leading the special teams in tackles right now.
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The Giants take advantage of the field position to score a TD. It was a close play. Manning was late on the throw and Sharper nearly picked him at the goal line. Nevertheless, 27-17 Saints.
NYG @ NO
TD Giants. Of course, they left 3 minutes for Brees to march down the field.
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Okay, even in highlights I've never been impressed by Ray Rice, but it seems whenever I'm not paying attention he puts up big numbers. True to form, he looks pathetic today. Is he good or not?
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My impression is that he mostly is a jack-of-all-trades. Pretty good in pass-pro, pretty good reciever, pretty good RB. Not elite speed, but he runs rather hard.
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Drew Brees is in the zone. At the 2-minute warning, he's 17-19, 252 yards, and 2 TDs.
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That should've been 17-19, 247 yards, and 3 TDs.
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3 and 1 for Brees at the Giants 1. Huge play coming up...
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Stuffed!
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Tough call - I think that's a TD. Can't overturn it, though....
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A great goal line stand. Will that bring the Giants defense back to life?
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This possession in the end zone stuff has gotten out of hand. Hines Ward just caught the ball in the end zone, got two feet down, held on as it hit the ground, rolled over out of bounds and the ball came out as he was done rolling over. No catch. Should WRs bring the balls with them to the sideline? Do we need to time how long someone holds onto the ball in the end zone? I don't even know what a catch is anymore.
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Man, Thomas ran like a straight punk on 4th-and-goal. Lower your shoulder and drive, wimp.
Hail Hydra!
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Good point. He did seem rather tentative like he was waiting for a hole to open up. Stick your nose in and make a hole!
Nobody Talks About Drew Brees
Commentary in the Saints game about Drew Bress: "I don't know how you can talk about the elite quarterbacks in the league and not put him in there". Does anybody actually exclude him from that list anymore? I really feel like more people talk about how he's excluded from that list than actually exclude him in the first place. Is that just because I'm selective about where I read my NFL commentary - are there really that many people who don't count Drew Bress as one of the best QBs in the league?
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You're paying attention to Fox commentators? Just by being in this website you know about 50% more about the game.
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I'm in the UK - even FoxSports' commentators are better than Kevin Cadle and Johnnie "Could I BE More Patronising?" Mitchell. It's also not like I can just turn on the radio and get a different commentary feed - even FoxSports' team is better than silence. Barely, but still better.
At least SkySports finally ditched Mitchell from their studio team - instead we have the dulcit tones of Mike Holmgren. Yay for niche sports.
Re: Nobody Talks About Drew Brees
My father doesn't. I usually use him as my standard for "regular fans." (i.e., those who believe all the b.s. the announcers spout every week.) He says the best QBs in the league are Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Tom Brady, and Joe Flacco.
I can't explain that list, either, so don't ask me.
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And the Vikings' QB is there, too--somehow I forgot to list him.
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So basically anyone who doesn't play Fantasy?
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He does play fantasy, actually. He always finishes near the bottom and doesn't seem to understand why.
But I mean they just accept that "wisdom" as the Truth of Football--you have to run to set up the pass, you shouldn't go for it on 4th down unless you have to, etc. I think there are a lot of fans like that.
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We need men like that in every league. God bless him.
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So smart and true. The best fantasy QB always wins the super bowl.
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Probably the same oafs who think Eli is an elite QB.
Hail Hydra!
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Ha!
Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
What the hell was Manning doing?
Lost 10 seconds and didn't even pick up the blitz. Jesus.
-- Go Phins!
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I actually like the fact that they didn't spike the ball, but yeah - if your'e going to take that much time on the line of scrimmage, you've got to see the blitz coming.
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Now, the circus has arrived. Manning is strip sacked. After the ball bounces a bit, Shanley picks up the fumble and runs it to the 7-yard line. Now the question is, did Shanley fumble at the 7 or was he down be contact. If it's a fumble, I think the Giants recovered in the end zone, which would be a safety.
Kareem Mackenzie stepped on the ball during the play, hurt his left leg, and had to be carted from the field.
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The play was ruled down at the 7-yard line, which was upheld. First and goal Saints.
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And, that might be the dagger in the Giants. Bush runs around left end for the 7-yard TD. 34-17 Saints. That was quite the turn-around. It looked like Manning was going to drive the Giants for at least a field goal. Looking a MacKenzie's injury, I don't think he'll be back so the Giants will have to make adjustments on the offensive line. I don't think I've seen Brandon Jacobs back since his neck stinger, either.
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You're kidding right? I call over 80 pts scored in this game. Fantasy Apocalypse.
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Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a 34-17 game at halftime where I thought the outcome was 100% still up in the air...
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Technicality - wouldn't it be a touchback rather than a safety, as possession had changed then changed back?
I'm pretty sure it would have turned out (bizarrely) as a good play for the Giants - they'd have the ball, first and ten at the 20.
NYG @ NO
Interesting situation with the fumble - because of the clock, the Saints are actually better off if Shanle is down on the 5 rather than getting the safety.
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18 seconds and 1 timeout is more than enough time for Brees to do something today...
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Would it have been a safety, though??
Possession changed to NO, so it should be a touchback, right?
-- Go Phins!
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That sounds right, but I can honestly say I don't know.
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That's a very good question. I think you're right.
Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
Wow, such much for the momentum of the goal line stand by the Giants..
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St. Louis still holding on to their lead into the 3rd quarter. After the blowout last week in Seattle, do we have to put Jax in with the truly crappy teams like KC and Detroit?
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I favor badly coached. Del Rio should go back to the macarena.
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One of the fantasy leagues I'm in has a 2 point deduction for quarterback sacks. My QB choice was Aaron Rodgers vs Detroit or Matt Schaub vs Cincy. Figuring the packers would torch detroit with 3 starters out, I chose Rodgers, and I was right, but the same old offensive line problems are still there, unfortunately. I think I've lose 8 points so far with the sacks.
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Clinton Portis sighting
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I've been trying to keep up with the half-time show. Yes, I'm a masochist.
Dante Wesley (Panthers) was ejected from the game. I didn't see what he did, but it caused a fairly impressive fight.
Jason Campbell has been benched.
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I think he was the guy that crushed Clifton Smith on a kick return, even though Smith either signaled fair catch or wasn't able to return it. Smith was injured and Wesley argued, so he was ejected.
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That coward gave the returner a concussion. Takes a real man to hit a defenseless player.
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Todd Collins appears to be in for Jason Campbell. Was there an injury or a benching?
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OMG! Is that Todd Collins' music?
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unfortunately, yes.
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It was a benching. I think I heard Chris's shout of joy and/or vindication all the way up here in Fairbanks.
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Benched. Zorn's job is now dependent on the play of Todd Collins.
Hail Hydra!
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As an Eagles fan, I'm actually thrilled. Campbell obviously had his flaws, be he always seemed to bring his A-game against the Eagles. I feel like its been years since they beat the Redskins... (ok, so the Skins only won 3 out of the last 4, but still)
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You think Zorn can save his job under any circumstances?
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If by some miracle he's not out after this game, basically the Skins will have to win out and look good doing it. That's pretty much the size of it. And the scary thing is, what with Dallas's play earlier this year and today's NYG and PHI results, it looks more or and more like the division really was there for the taking. Not that the Skins are glowing with talent, either, but they have enough players to at least be in the discussion in a down year for the division as a whole, and they're botching their opportunities. That's the third winless team this year to come in and not be the '08 Lions at the expense of the Skins.
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I'm starting to think opposing defenses could throw James Harrison to the ground and smother him to death with a pillow, and they still wouldn't call holding.
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James Harrison in "answer to Pittsburgh's offensive blocking concerns" shocker!
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To be fair, he's a very good defensive player and the NFL has an explicit "stop very good defensive players from doing their job" policy.
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Roger Goddell just called. He wants to have a meeting to discuss your statement.
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Why is The Man always trying to bring me down? I hate The Man.
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Now on that play Rice did look good. Good balance and a really strong stiff-arm.
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Brandon Jacobs started the second half. No word on MacKenzie.
And, as I type this, Hochuli's crew calls their one annual, obligatory offensive pass interference pick play on the Giants. I didn't see the pick. It's certain that there are numerous other much more blatant picks that occur in every NFL game that never get called.
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"Doctor, I think we have a faint pulse." The Giants hold the Saints for the first time today. The Giants got a little pressure on Brees on the third down play.
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Greer picks Manning. "Doctor, the patient's flatlined!"
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How long is a QB's "generation?"
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That may depend whether you're asking Vinny Testaverde or Marques Tuiasosopo...
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Quite true, but I'm really wondering about Dierdorf commenting about "of [Vikings' QB's] generation." Who really is in the same generation? It seems to me like it's about 3 years either way of when the QB in question is drafted, but 2 may make more sense. I was just curious if anyone else had a thought.
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Who is the Vikings' QB again? ;)
I tend to interpret that as referring to anybody who played regularly at the same time as him. For example, I'd count Matt Ryan as part of Peyton Manning's generation, and Rich Gannon as part of Peyton Manning's generation, but not Matt Ryan and Rich Gannon as part of each other's generation.
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By that definition, Testaverde's generation stretches as far as from 1978 (Steve DeBerg first season as a regular) to ca. 2017 (Roethlisberger retires) ~= 50 years.
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I think you can even stretch it a little further and say it goes to when Jay Cutler retires, which would be about 3-5 years later.
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Make that 40, ofc.
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Sidney Rice emerging?
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Could be, but he also looked like he was emerging 2 years ago, at least to me.
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Yeah, he's one of those guys fast enough to produce a few "holy cow!" plays every now and then, but he hasn't demonstrated anything resembling consistency...
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I will repeat what I've been saying this year--he looks very much like early Rod Smith: Some speed (though not an absolute burner) and makes a circus grab that you say, "Did he really just catch that?" every three weeks but then promptly drops one on the numbers and falls down on a route. That's how Smith looked, at least to me (and for what it's worth my father agrees) when I was 10-11 years old. Smith just seemed to suddenly "get it" in his third year (at age 27), so maybe that will happen with Rice (who is in his third year and 23 years old).
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I think you should just talk to him.
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I disagree. He's not that fast, but he's tall (6'4", I think) and has good hands. With a QB that requires defenses to worry about Berrian and Shiancoe (and, of course, the running game), Rice has had good success in 1-1 matchups. Also, Favre seems to favor Rice in 1-1 because he rarely gets the top corner and has great leaping ability (see his two onside kick recoveries against Green Bay).
That one huge pass (there were two on the day that I can recall) where he angled sharply toward the sideline before getting caught running straight up the field showed that he doesn't have elite speed OR enough poise to remember to take the smarter angle straight toward the pilon. I like Rice a lot, and I think this year's experience could help him to become a valuable receiver for many years.
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Good point
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"Doctor, the patient's gone back into arrest!" Saints blitz Sharper, who Bradshaw fails to pick up. Manning throws it up for grabs (he was hit a little on the throw). Interception by Greer of the Saints. Another nice little drive down the tubes.
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For all the talk about the Giants DB injuries, this one's on the D-Line. They're getting no pressure at all.
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They also failed to get any sacks against TB. FO's adjusted sack rate says their the best in the league, but this game they sure don't look like it... Do they have any injuries?
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That's true. Maybe we should be giving the Saints offensive line credit for shutting down the Giants defensive line.
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Yeah, that's undoubtedly a factor...
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And Brees is really, really good at avoiding sacks.
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Drew Bledoe wouldn't have gotten sacked today.
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Ouch! That's harsh. Probably true, but harsh.
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Todd Collins, unsurprisingly, looks just as bad as Campbell. I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned but there's some chance (maybe) that team has offense line problems.
Maybe Collins just needs to get in his groove. Or maybe playingg your 37 year old career backup QB is never really a solution to your problems.
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Countdown to Colt Brennan?
Though that may violate my first rule of the NFL--never count on a quarterback from my college (Colorado). Since he transferred to Hawaii, I don't know whether he counts.
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I think if Brennan had made enough progress to be a real option, he'd be on the field right now. What does playing Todd Collins for a week or two (or until the end of the year) get you?
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If you're Jim Zorn, a slight chance of being able to scapegoat Jason Campbell for the team's underwhelming start.
If you're a Redskins fan, nothing.
If you're an opponent, full knowledge that the ball will never travel more than 15 yards when you play them.
And I agree about Brennan in general, but if Collins plays REALLY badly, is there a possibility? Not to mention that Zorn & co. have not exactly shown competence so far in his tenure.
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Brennan is out for the year...
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Brennan was put on IR before the season began.
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Yes. I forgot.
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Boy, I'm glad I don't have to watch the Chiefs@Redskins. That game must be intolerable. I wonder which team will summon up the most feathers.
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I think a 6-6 tie has to be one of the most insulting (to the audience) scores in football.
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Wow. amazing one-handed grab by Driver with a db holding one of his hands...
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I'm going to declare the patient dead: 40-17 late in Q3... Tag 'em and bag 'em.
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I forgot to sub out the Giants D on my fantasy team. They're scoring a -2 so far.
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Well, to put my medical metaphor mercifully to rest, at this point I think the only hope for the Giants is if Dr. Frankenstein shows up to reanimate their moldering corpse allowing them to go on a rampage of football destruction. I'm not holding my breath.
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If I were John Harbaugh, Walker may never play again after that.
Minnesota already has a free play and you interfere to make sure they get the yardage?
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I thought the same thing. Rice ended up making the catch anyway, but what a bone-headed interference.
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Glancing at the stats, I see Anderson in Cleveland has decided to seriously challenge JaMarcus for the title of "worst."
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I'd say that one's a toss-up, but I don't trust anyone to come down with the coin.
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To be settled Sunday, Dec. 27 in Cleveland. The worst man is the best man.
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I thought that was already established last week.
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Anderson could've easily been a one-week wonder. To compete with JaMarcus you need to get the job done week in, week out. You can't be a terrible, putrid Qb for 3 quarters and expect to challenge the master...
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At what point does DVOA for these guys get renamed to DVUA?
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Now, now. He currently has 3 1/2 times the number of completions than he had last week.
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I know the season's young and we're still dealing with small sample sizes, but right now you'd have to think the Saints are strong contender for the NFC championship.
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I had them in the NFC title game before the season and I'm starting to think I underestimated them.
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Now that Giants/NO is out of hand, I flipped over to Carolina/Bucs - it's actually turning out to be a game. Both teams are playing with a lot of passion... Josh Johnson ain't so bad...
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And a terrible pick 6 from Delhomme...
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wtf?! who the hell decides to leave Jared Allen unblocked on a pass play?
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I think he probably could have gotten to the QB faster if he weren't laughing at that himself.
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I'm less and less upset about Minnesota passing on Oher in the draft to net Harvin/Loadholt. That play had me chuckling, too.
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Right before the commercial in the Ravens/Vikings game, commentators said that the Vikings turnaround was due to somebody "just having fun out there..."
Could he be talking about Roger Rabbit?
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Turnaround? From what?
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From being a decent team whose biggest weakness was the passing game, to being an elite team that can beat you in every way. Although it's still to early in the year, but it's never to early to have the "Just Having Fun" speech.
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Shave and a haircut...two bits!
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Flacco is really hobbling between plays. At what point do the Ravens give up and rest him?
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Probably when they stop thinking they still have a chance to win, which at this rate will be when the game ends.
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I meant how big of a margin does there need to be and/or how much time left, not that they should have been already at the point I said that. I was rather unclear, sorry.
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Ah, gotcha.
Well, if they can't score a TD on this coming drive, I would say at that point.
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Okay, I'd say now there is no possibility of reaching that point.
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This just in: Mark Clayton caught a football pass.
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Carolina with a long (10 or 12 play) drive and I think they've also passed once. They should just do that every time. Williams and Stewart are pretty darn good...
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Wooo! AP!
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Nooooo!! AP hurt on a play. Possibly out for more than this game, given the footage.
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And I can hear a collective holding of breath throughout the Twin Cities as AD goes down.
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And, we get the circus reprise. The Saints get a rush on Manning, who starts running backwards, figures out that's a bad idea, curls around towards the near sideline, and then heaves a pass into the end zone from around the 20. There are about 5 Saints defenders and 2 or 3 Giants players in the end zone. The Saints nearly intercept, but the ball somehow falls into Brandon Jacobs's hands. But, the Giants are called for holding. Finally, on 4th down, the Giants kick a field goal.
If he hadn't done so already, Easterbrook just wrote "Game over!" in his notebook.
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Wait--Brandon Jacobs caught something?
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Well, maybe it would be more accurate to say that the ball fell into his hands and he didn't drop it.
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Wow. Carolina with the go ahead score, 29 seconds left in the game. Started the drive at 8:32. 1 pass play. That's some power football and ball control.
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Ray Rice will not...be...DENIED!
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Sonova... Ray Rice just went down the field thanks to some really crappy Viking tackling. TD on the next play.
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I have not been impressed with the Vikings' defense yet this season.
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Well, I guess we'll get to see if they can stiffen up and stop the Raven's from winning in the last few seconds.
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Jesus, that was a giant fall on their face by the defense. This is embarrassing.
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I just looked up to see that the Lambs may be on the verge of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. And, that the Chefs appear to have better access to the feather merchants.
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... and now Percy Harvin is injured on a kickoff return. Reinjured shoulder.
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Harvin goes down. Flacco, Harvin, and Peterson all seemingly injured to varying degrees in this game.
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I've never seen Ray Lewis get a sack before.
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He actually has a fair amount of them, too, so I guess that's just luck.
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Well, the Redskins look like they're going to give the Chiefs their first win of the year. I think I'll put the over/under on the number of hours Zorn has left as the Redskins' head coach at 6.
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Just saw surfing the internet that Zorn has been stripped of play calling duties. So, it looks like he'll keep his head coaching job for at least another game.
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Did I piss off Ray Rice earlier?
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RAY RICE WILL...NOT...BE...DENIED!!!!!!
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Make that Sidney...
what a game...
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Cam Cameron, ladies and gentlemen...
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I just switched over to the Ravens@Vikings game. What a run by Rice, although Johnson took a horrible angle. Where has the vaunted Vikings' run defense gone?
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Down the drain with some StarCaps pills . . .
(It was too easy not to say it, no need for anyone to scream at me.)
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Well played!
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The problem is Baltimore left 3:37 on the clock. All MIN needs is a FG.
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True, but at this rate the Vikings are going to give it back only up a partial score (FG or TD) with plenty of time for our D to lay another giant egg.
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Thank god for Vikings QB, since he can actually make plays instead of the bumbling of Jackson.
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Well...Roger Rabbit is one tough cookie. Let's just hope that the injuries to Benny (Adrian Peterson) and Herman (Percy Harvin) aren't very serious. Oh yeah, and the run defense gets better.
P.S. Ray Rice will not be denied.
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I see AP's back for the Vikings. Is he playing hurt or was the earlier injury not as bad as thought?
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He seemed to be walking a bit gingerly between plays, so he may be playing hurt. Though I didn't see him take more than 5 steps like that so perhaps he's fine.
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Great play call by Childress. Yessir, it's always a good idea to play for getting the smallest lead possible.
Kudos to Vikings fans for booing.
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Yeah, 3 runs into the line was not exactly inspired.
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Alright, 1:49 is plenty of time for a screw up. Man, this reminds me of the Culpepper years.
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I'm a Bronco fan--this is how I've felt my whole life.
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Ravens tried the fake spike play, but the Vikings defended it well. Flacco threw it out-of-bounds. Nice play all the way around there.
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Yeah, that might have worked better if it was remotely catchable.
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I think he was just stopping the clock.
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I actually thought Flacco threw the ball out-of-bounds on purpose because the Vikings defended the play so well.
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Well, true. It probably was a split decision on the snap.
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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Ravens miss the field goal as time expires. Vikings win 33-31.
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OMG! whew... well, the Vikings lucked out on that one. 6-0!
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Good game. I'm not sure which team played better, so it seems fair enough for the Vikings to win.
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god. seriously, baltimore, you're happy with a 44 yard field goal attempt?
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Alot of coaches do erroneously treat 40+ FGs as automatics at end of games (call 3 safe, unlikely to gain anything runs when in that range).
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Looks like Pats will be w/o Sammy Morris for at least this game (if not (a lot) longer).
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Sammy Morris injured? Who could imagine?!
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So, now I face this choice: Which is actually a worse assault on the senses of a football fan, JaMarcus Russell or Phil Simms?
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Well, with Oakland you can listen, but try not to watch (save your eyes), but with Sims, you can watch without sound (duller game), though make sure closed captioning is also off (reading sims is just cruel).
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JaMarcus Russell without a doubt. You can always mute the Cretin. The only way to avoid Russell is to turn off the TV, which means you're not watching football at all.
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Doom: That's right! You'll never stop me! You're dead! You're all dead!
(Okay maybe going to far...)
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Brees ended up with a great if not historic game: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/XxEMK
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Well, I never thought I'd have anything nice to say about the throw-back AFL official's uniforms, but, you know, they're easier to see against the snow.
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I don't have a problem with the Patriots' throwbacks in general. Now, my Broncos' throwbacks . . . *gag*