Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:39pm

I like the Patriots' throwbacks better than their current uniforms. And, thanks a lot for bringing up the Broncos' throwbacks, just when I had finally succeeded in purging that memory.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:40pm

You can see the road version tomorrow.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:42pm

Maybe I should just listen to the game on the radio, then.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:48pm

The road version isn't quite as bad. White instead of yellow.

But you also have to put up with the Chargers' powder blues, which I can't stand.

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by Sergio :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:03pm

Heresy...

-- Go Phins!

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:40pm

The Patriots' offensive line seems to be blocking really well for the run.

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by The Human Spider :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:41pm

Okay, JaMarcus Russell just threw a touchdown pass...I am officially scared, now.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:44pm

It was actually a decent play, too. They just showed it during the Ten-NE game.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:55pm

It was a decent play. There were two very nice down field blocks by the Raiders. There two missed tackles by the Eagles.

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by Whatev (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:42pm

And both of those downfield blocks were by Louis Murphy. Apparently his speed IS good for something!

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by Lvess :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:51pm

Taking advantage of Trotter in coverage isn't hard...even for him (blind squirrle and all that). Trotter couldn't cover my 91 y.o. grandmother.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by zzyzx :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:41pm

That might have been the worst first quarter I have ever seen for the Seahawks right now. The Cards had a 10 minute TD drive followed by recovering a squib kick off for another TD. Hasselbeck finally got the ball... and fumbled on the 3rd play from scrimmage.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:49pm

Maroney is running over Tennessee--this looks very bad for the Titans.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:55pm

Could this be the last start of Kerry Collins's career?

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:03pm

If the Titans lose, you'd think they have to play Vince Young to see if there is anything there to salvage. If they don't, isn't that pretty much telling Vince Young that he's never going to play for the Titans?

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:07pm

I would think so, anyway. And even for trying to win now, he has to be more capable of making big plays than Kerry Collins, right? Obviously they're not going to the playoffs playing like they did last year, so why not give something different a shot? To quote one of the dumbest movies ever created, "What are we gonna fall out of last place?"

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:11pm

But, do the Titans think Young is more capable of making plays? Wouldn't he already be playing if they did?

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by CathyW :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:56pm

Where has this Raiders team been all season? And what in the hell has gotten into the Eagles?

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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 4:56pm

JaMarcuss... that was the worst, ungainliest looking spin move I've ever seen... and worse, it worked.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:01pm

With the way they're running, why are New England and Tennessee attempting to pass at all?

On cue, LenDale White gets stripped and Pats recover.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by CathyW :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:04pm

Ooooh, someone dropped an F-bomb on a live mike. Cool.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:04pm

On that Romeo Crennel "Ladies Man" commercial, is it bad of me to think that the real reason Romeo has never been turned down by a woman is because he's never actually gotten far enough with a woman to be turned down?

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:08pm

It might be wrong of you to think about the commercial.

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by B :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:10pm

Without eating her, you mean?

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by B :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:08pm

Man, the old school Patriot uniforms really bring back some bad memories. That said, I love the old school Oilers look.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:10pm

Moss practically has to stand still for the ball to get to him and still none of the 3 Titans around him can get there. Brady looks considerably better so far this week than last week, but he fell apart in the second half last week, so we'll have to wait and see.

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by Scott P. (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:09pm

Yes, here's predicting Brady has zero completions in the second half.

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by B :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:12pm

Why is Ryan Fitzpatrick QBing for the Bills? Anybody know?

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:16pm

According to Sportsline, "After being looked at by trainers and doctors on the sideline, QB Trent Edwards is now walking, with assistance, toward the locker room."

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by PatsFan :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:17pm

I believe someone over on the IRC discussion said it looked like Edwards had his knee blown own in a high-low tackle.

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by B :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:22pm

Ouch, I hate to see a QB go down like that.

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:18pm

Ugh the Titans are getting killed. Like the Cardinals were in thesnow of Boston last year...

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by B :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:21pm

Unlike the Cardinals of last year, I doubt the Titans will be showing up in the Superbowl, though.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:20pm

Well, that'll be a fine for Chris Hope for head butting Brady. Talk about stupid.

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by CathyW :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:21pm

Holy crap, I could block better than the Eagles O-line today. Ay carumba. It's like Swiss cheese out there.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by tornadot :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:22pm

So when do we get a Young sighting in NE?

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:26pm

My guess is they have to be down by 30 and in the second half. I'm sort of rooting for it just to have a chance to see what Young does (not to mention that I'm tired of Kerry Collins being the guy you'd never guess who's in the top 10 in every career passing statistic and want him to stop compiling attempts, completions, TDs, INTs).

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by rageon :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:32pm

Is it possible both teams just play the whoel second half with 2nd string QBs? This is getting ridiculous.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:33pm

No--people have been questioning Brady this year. He will be out there to pad his stats all game no matter what (and whether he wants to be or not).

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by B :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:32pm

So, in five minutes, then?

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:34pm

I think that's when we'll see him if we are ever going to.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:23pm

Russell playing gerat. Raiders shutting down eagles running attack. Raiders going to win this game and get closer to afc qest lead. catching up to Broncos and get to 4-4 before you know it. Raiders defintiely could beat NYJ then give Sd some pay back from week 1 win chargers pul out at end

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How to beat the Buffalo Bills
by Grouchy Bills Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:24pm

The Browns beat the bills last week with an innovative combination of punts and incomplete passes. The Jets are using the same strategy and just took the lead.

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Re: How to beat the Buffalo Bills
by B :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:28pm

Punt to win, baby.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by DomM (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:27pm

NFL.com says that McNabb just took a 38 yards sack! Anyone watching the game care to explain what happened?

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by CathyW :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:32pm

Well, first McNabb tried to call time out and they didn't have any more time outs (delay of game), then Vick came on, the offense was all confused and took another delay of game penalty, then McNabb got sacked. That was horrendous.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:36pm

Maybe he felt sorry for the Raiders having to play with JaMarcus and decided to make things more even?

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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:30pm

McNabb, that sequence was embarrassing.

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by ar4t :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:39pm

Wow, raiderjoe is doing ok with his picks. Who da thunk.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:42pm

As many have pointed out, if you discount his Silver and Black colored glasses when he talks about the Raiders, the rest of his analysis is generally very good. Maybe I need to start drinking Sierra Nevadas.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:36pm

Any bets on whether CBS will consider the Bill-Jets game "more competitive" and switch to it for the second half.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by ar4t :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:44pm

Did moss get hurt? (Watching Bills-Jets and I lost my NE feed)

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:46pm

He was briefly shaken up (got his bell rung). He's playing.

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by B :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:50pm

He was speared by a Titans DB. He only missed one snap, though, and he's back on the field now.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:47pm

I said before that Brees had a great but not historic game and I posted a list of the best games in adjusted yards per attempt with a minimum of 20 attempts. Brady would now be in the top 20.

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by B :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:54pm

I suspect that once opponent adjustments are at 100%, Brees is going to look a lot more impressive. Still, this is an extraordinary quarter by Brady.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:58pm

I was using adjusted yards per attempt instead of FO stats, so that I could go back further, so in the case of the list I was using, we don't have to wait for opponent adjustments either.

However, for DVOA you're right on both counts (well, and you're right on the last count no matter what).

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:00pm

And Brady is well outside of the top 100 now.

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by ar4t :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:50pm

Has 5 TDs in a quarter ever been done?

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:51pm

They just announced in the game that not since 1950 anyway.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:53pm

And it has now.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:50pm

The Titans have been embarrassing at Keystone Kops levels today. And, so far this season, they seem to be trying to redefine sucktitude. I think we all know that every year there are always "worst to first" and "first to worst" teams. I wonder if the Titans' fall-off from last year is approaching historical levels.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:52pm

I would bet Aaron addresses this point in the DVOA ranks this week.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by electricmayhem :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:54pm

The invisible hand of raiderjoe guides another Akers FG wide...

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 5:57pm

You know, it's quite amazing with the snow on the ground that Welker was actually able to tap dance at the sideline like he did to get his feet down for the TD.

So, even if the Patriots' take "the foot off the accelerator", with the way the Titans are playing I can still see the Patriots putting up 70+ points. Will the Titans come out and play with any pride in the second half?

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by myteam.gt.yrteam (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:04pm

Tennessee has quit. Kerry Collins isn't the problem (he's not the solution, either, but the suckitude goes WAY beyond him). The defense isn't even trying to cover people.

CBS, free me from this game!

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:08pm

I don't think anyone really thinks Collins is the problem. But he can't play forever, so it stands to reason they should give Young a chance and see what he does after this time on the bench so they can at least decide if he's the guy or they need to draft a new QB.

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by Dave :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:10pm

I would phrase that as "to confirm that they need to draft another QB."

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:13pm

Probably, but I wanted to be fair to him. It's not like he would be the first QB ever to suck in his first two years and go on to be good.

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by Dave :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:09pm

I never knew that "don't cover Wes Welker or Randy Moss" was a part of any playbook.

In case they were wondering, it doesn't work very well.

ESPN.com's headline is about "Favre's Heroics" that guided the Vikings to the win. The win in which they trailed by 1 point for all of 2 minutes, but led most of the way by 2 scores. The game they only even won due to a missed FG.

Not that Favre didn't play well, but come on. "In Favre they trust?" Did Dierdorf not spend enough of today fellating the man? We needed more?

I was flipping back and forth to the RZC during that game, so I may just have missed it, but did Dierdorf ever even once bother to mention the minor detail that Winfield (only the Vikings' best DB) left the game? It may have had a bit to do with the comeback. But it would've required some actual analysis from the guy.

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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:16pm

I was wondering about that. A friend txt-d that to me, but I was watching the game & I don't think they ever mentioned it. That would be a decent reason for the defensive dropoff, but that's terrible for depth reasons if that's the difference between him in and out.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:10pm

Okay, so I think we now know that Vince Young is never playing again in Tennessee . . .

Where does he go?

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by ar4t :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:13pm

And Brady comes out throwing in the second half
the 7 TD record is in jeopardy

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:18pm

It really is. 25:13 left to get one more. However, I do doubt that he matches Tittle's 505 yards in the process.

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by ar4t :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:17pm

Moss for TD # 6

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by James-London :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:19pm

OK, just got in and have no TV football tonight, but NFL.com has NE 51 freakin' 0 up against Tennessee.

WTF?

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by sldfkjsfls (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:22pm

Tennessee didn't show up, and Brady is doing his best video game impression.

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by ar4t :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:23pm

It kinda like a love letter from Belichek to Brady.

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by ar4t :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:23pm

It's kinda like a love letter from Belichek to Brady.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:23pm

Tennessee has a new defensive strategy: sitting back and watching the Patriots score. Moss and Welker are open everywhere and Brady is hitting them--not perfectly, but better than he has this year. Tennessee also cannot complete a pass (mostly the fault of the receivers rather than Collins).

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:29pm

I just had a twilight zone moment... I'm sure I remember reading this exact series of comments sometime in 2007 - which is very weird, because the Patriots didn't even PLAY the Titans in 2007 (well, technically they did in preseason but I'd hope nobody's that picky).

Maybe it was about the Bills or Redskins game... or possibly the Miami 48-28.

Either way, I'm spooked.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:19pm

You know, the Women's U.S. Open 9-Ball finals on ESPN is starting to look like an attractive programming option.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:22pm

CBS must have heard my unspoken prayer since they cut over to the Bills-Jets game right after I posted the above.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by Jeremy Billones :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:20pm

I found a game where the LA Rams had 6 touchdowns in one quarter back in 1950 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/195010290ram.htm) but only four of those were thrown by Norm Van Brocklin -- one rush and one kickoff return.

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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:22pm

thank god, they're showing the bills-jets! So this is what we've come to? Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue...

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:23pm

From the Fox team on Arizona - Seattle:

"I know quarterbacks in this league that will purposely take a sack to avoid throwing an incompletion for their quarterback rating."

Is this for real? Why on earth would a. a guy knowingly harm his team's chances of winning for a meaningless statistic and b a coach play a guy who does that in the first place?

I don't give FoxSports' commentators/analysts much credence, but that tidbit seems particularly curious.

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by ar4t :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:25pm

Dude, it's fox, the announcers are morons.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:35pm

Dude, you're the second person to tell me that in this thread. I get that much. In fact, I pretty much said that in my own post. Still, that particular tidbit intrigues me.

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by masoch (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 11:05pm

For the record, the announcer in question was Brian Billick. Furthermore, he stated that HE coached them. As pointed out by the other "moron" announcer, that narrows the field of potential QBs he could be referring to QUITE significantly!

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:24pm

Mine is still on Tennessee-New England . . .

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:27pm

Are you in either the Titans' or the Patriots' primary TV markets? I think CBS has to keep showing the game there.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:32pm

I'm in Minnesota.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:36pm

Man, I guess the engineer at your CBS affiliate is a die-hard Patriots' fan.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:36pm

Same here, its either this or Eagles/Oakland.

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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:26pm

Oh god, that red zone sequence was just comical.

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by B :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:26pm

Well, at least the Titans attempted the 4th down play instead of kicking the field goal, but that was just embarrassing.

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by sldfkjsfls (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:27pm

Is TEN trying to set the record for worst DVOA or something?

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by Some Guy (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:28pm

K. Collins is 1-11 15 yds 0 td 1 Int
T. Brady is 29-34 380 yds 6 td 0 Int

Has there ever been a greater disparity in quarterback play in one game?

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by Dave :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:32pm

Hoyer in now. I guess we'll learn a bit about how many of Brady's yards count towards DYAR. I was wondering about that. If the Titans aren't actually bothering to cover receivers, are any of Tom's 380 yards something that a replacement level QB wouldn't also have gotten?

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by B :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:35pm

Defensive adjustments aren't at 100% yet, but even if they were, the Titans defense is something that can't really be adjusted for, as their normal defense isn't as horid as what we've seen today.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:39pm

Collins a late contender for this week's JaMarcus Anderson award? According to the BoxScore (I'm still stuck with Cards-Hawks) he's completed the same number of passes to Darius Butler as he has to his own team.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:44pm

Well, we might want to wait and see what VY does before passing final judgment on the Titans' quarterbacks.

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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:49pm

How's 1 pass, 1 int for a start?

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by Athelas :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:53pm

Who's the 3rd string QB?

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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:54pm

Hopefully direct snap to Chris Johnson.

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by Whatev (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:19pm

Ironically, JaMarcus Russell actually did okay this week. If it weren't for the interceptions, in fact, I'd be prepared to call it "good."

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:29pm

Well, rookie 2nd stringer for NE, and Young is warming up.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:33pm

Are they playing Yakety Sax, yet?

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by Yaguar :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:29pm

I feel bad for Chris Johnson. Over 100 yards at nine yards a carry.

Has any player ever done so well and been so screwed over by horrid teammates?

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by Scott P. (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:34pm

Judging by what the TV heads tell me, that can be the only possible explanation for why Brett Favre hasn't won 20 Super Bowls.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:34pm

I'm going to keep the game on in case anything happens, but I'm doing homework now. I guess that says how interesting the game really is.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:41pm

Is anyone else surprised that Brady didn't come in just to throw the 7th TD?

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by tornadot :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:45pm

Is anyone shocked the Pats are still even attempting to throw it, at all?

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by Yaguar :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:50pm

I would be shocked if another team were. But not Bill Belichick's team. That's not shocking at all.

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by DEW (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:32pm

Yes. I would not be surprised if the Titans left the locker room after the game only to find the Patriots waiting to steal their lunch money.

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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:47pm

Wow, switched over to see the Eagles get robbed on a strip by a semi-quick whistle.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:47pm

They just showed Mark Sanchez's numbers: 5-17, 64 yards, 3 interceptions. Maybe we need to throw his hat into the ring for this week's suckiest QB.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:05pm

Sanchez now 6-21, 74 yards, 4 interceptions.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:50pm

Vince Young throws an immediate pick but it looked like it should be 90% on the WR.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:52pm

We're a PAT away from a tie game in the Bills-Jets game. The Jets blitzed and the Bills beat it with a pass from Fitzpatrick to Evans. This was the first TD the Bills have scored in the third quarter all year and I think the first TD in the last 10 quarters.

What's happened to the Jets? They looked good to start the year.

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Re: Week 6 Open Discussion Thread
by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:53pm

So, the Titans apparently have Grievous Bodily Harm, Cruelty to Animals, Really Cool People, and Things Not Working Properly Even After You've Given Them a Good Thumping (but secretly No Alcohol Lager) in the defensive backfield today.

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by ar4t :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:59pm

Agnes Nutter approves

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by Mr Shush :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 7:09am

I'd still take that in a heartbeat over any three of the actual horsemen plus CC Brown.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 6:58pm

Man, oh man. Sanchez nearly through his 4th interception to the Bills' defense. Meanwhile for the second time in 4 plays, the Bills line up in the neutral zone and keep the Jets' drive alive.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:00pm

Thought I'd just drop in to note that if anyone is uncertain as to how large a role injury luck plays is a team's performance, note what happened to the Vikings defense once Karl Paymah replaced Antione Winfield. Of course, the idiots at CBS failed to mention (or maybe only said something once) that Winfield was hurt, or what was wrong with him, as Paymah was misplaying balls and missing tackles. It's been reported that it is a foot injury, and that Winfield asked to return to the game, but Childress and the trainers decided to be cautious. Here's hoping it isn't serious, because they are not nearly as good when he is off the field.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:02pm

Thanks for the update. I was wondering about it.

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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:05pm

So was I. That doesn't excuse the rest of them from forgetting how to tackle on some plays, but good lord, if there's that much of a dropoff, we are in from some trouble unless he's back in perfect health.

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by Jovins :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:15pm

It's really not fair to look at it like that.
Not only did Winfield go down, but also Benny Sapp, the third corner.
So really, the fourth and fifth corner were playing on nickle downs.

I'd argue that while Winfield is a huge loss, merely getting Benny Sapp back would be an improvement.

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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:18pm

Wow. I must not have been paying attention. I didn't know Sapp was also out.

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by Jovins :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:29pm

To be fair, Sapp wasn't inactive for the entire game after his injury.
But when Winfield came out, Paymah, who is usually the fourth corner, came in. Sapp was reported to have a minor concussion and a shoulder injury.

I don't know the extent of the injury, but I get the feeling that if Winfield was healthy he wouldn't have been playing.

At the same time, Winfield reportedly wanted to be back in the game, but Childress and the trainers didn't want to rush him back onto the field. The injury from what I found was turf toe.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:42pm

Yeah, there is hardly a team in the league that wouldn't look bad with their first and third cornerback out. The pathetic thing was that the pass rush was staying strong.

When's the trade deadline, and is there a lousy team out there who would be willing to trade a decent cb (can Ronde Barber still play)? I hope it ain't necessary, but if both of those guys are out for an extended period, this may be the year to sacrifice some draft value, as much as I hate to do anything that resembles Jerry Jones.

Also, last week, this week has featured a montain of crappy play by defensive backs, and I say that as someone who didn't catch a play of the Patriots/Titans game.

Finally, I predict that Adrian Peterson will not see nearly as many 7 man fronts, the rest of the year, as the Ravens showed him. They obviously saw what Favre did the last couple of weeks, decided to play the pass somewhat honestly, and then got gashed in the air and ground. Better to make Favre use a 40 year old arm 40 times, than to get carved up both ways. The killer about Peterson is that against a 7 man front, he is very, very, very likely to get at least 4.5 yards, while he remains a very grave threat to go all the way. You just don't gain the advantage of preventing the huge play by keeping the defensive backs out of the box. May as well put the load on Favre and hope he gets hurt.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:45pm

I think the trade deadline is Tuesday.

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by fakeninjitsu :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 4:17am

Yeah its Tuesday, also on Paymah, it took the Ravens over a quarter to realize he was there for Winfield, they still kept attacking Griffin as if Winfield was there, when they noticed in the 4th quarter, the wheels came off. It's just that he is a TERRIBLE corner who is just active to play special teams although after this week the coaches should should go fuck it and de-activate him for Asher Allen even if he can't play sp teams.

And Frasier's has to have the worst blitz schemes in the NFL, they usually get blocked because they telegraph them, have zero creativity and is what leads to most of the big plays for the opposing teams.

And its a day after and I still want to choke Childress Latrell Spreewell style for his moron coach hall of fame decision to just run it to 2 mins on 3rd and 7, un-fucking-believable. The Ravens had no timeouts left, YOU GET THE 1ST DOWN AND THE RAVENS NEVER GET THE BALL BACK!!! The 1st down pass runs it to 2 min and you take 3 knees, call timeout with 3 secs, kick and game over. Those extra 30-40 secs he ran off were irrelevant, all the Ravens needed was a FG, the clock wasn't going to beat them, we had to stop them either way or get lucky like we did with the missed FG.

This guy man, jesus what a pos coach. Even sent a long rant to the sports guy about it, ugh, I just know he's going to kill us in the playoffs, I already visualize some similar dumb clock management on the go ahead score while giving Drew Brees or Eli 2 mins to rip our hearts out.

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by Mr Shush :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 7:14am

Dunta Robinson could almost certainly be had for the right price, and on yesterday's evidence he's back to something resembling his best pre-injury form. He's playing under the franchise tag, though, so you'd have to be willing to either give him a lot of money or let him walk at the end of the season.

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by Dave :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:41pm

Just as a bit of contrast between CBS crews, the guys (Enberg and Fouts) doing the Jets game have been right on top of the injury situation and even had a graphic announcing the losses of Jenkins and Woody as a way of explaining why the Bills can move the ball. Meanwhile Gumbel and Dierdorf, their #2 crew, can't be bothered with such inconveniences.

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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:11pm

Haahahaha... good lord, 2 of whatever, -7 yards... that's good for a laugh.

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by Mervin (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:13pm

I see Raiders-Eagles is final. I'm thinking the Eagles will be either 2nd or 3rd in DVOA this week. ;)

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by Whatev (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:13pm

And the Eagles have done it once again.

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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:14pm

Almost got to 61 on a safety with a 20 yd loss. Go Vince!

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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:19pm

Ahh... kneel at 59. The Titans really deserve to go ahead and lose by 60+.

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by BroncosGuy (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:29pm

Astonishing headlines:

Eagles call their last time out at 2:02. Cuz, you know, we might need those two seconds instead of the :45 (on defense) or the :15 minimum (on offense).

Junior Seau dives on a fumble. And doesn't break a hip.

Raiders pull off upset; Coach Cable celebrates by "f&)^%&* killing" an assistant coach.

The Titans accumulate net passing yardage of less than zero, including a completed pass for -22 yards.

Todd Collins is still in the league. And gets playing time.

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by JB (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:45pm

Depending on how much time was left on the play clock, a timeout at 2:02 is more useful than a timeout at 0:15 if the other team is running every play.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:36pm

Rian Lindell just missed a long FG as time expires to put the Bills-Jets game into OT.

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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:37pm

Jets/Buffalo goes OT on a pushed right FG attempt.
Jets get the ball first.

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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:40pm

So the bills didn't learn from the ravens mistake earlier and try to get the ball closer. I wonder how often this happens?

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by ar4t :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:44pm

Sounds like a good article idea.

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by Moridin :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:48pm

Oh god, a screwed up FG snap and a badly thrown ball for an INT and its Bills ball.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:48pm

Incredible. The Jets line up for a 50-yard field goal. The snap is horrid. The holder throws the ball up for grabs and is intercepted. Fortunately for the Jets, the defender was tackled immediately.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:56pm

Boy, this OT is ugly. Dan Fouts just asked if either team wants to win today. Like him, I'm not sure.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:58pm

And, just after I post this, Sanchez throws his 5th interception of the day. First and ten Bills at their 42.

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by Mr Shush :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 7:18am

Just before he threw that pick I was saying to the guys I was watching with that the Jets should be punting on first down, because the only way they were going to score was off a turnover. The way Sanchez was playing, there were only two things that could happen when you threw the ball, and both of them were bad.

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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 7:59pm

this game might end in a tie...

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by TimK :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 8:00pm

OK, it's 1am here in the UK, so I'm going to sleep - just about given up on either Bills or Jets actually being able to win - but just want to thank everything for the revival of the great Open Discussion Threads :)

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 8:05pm

Fitzpatrick to Evans on a long pass to inside the 5-yard line. The call on the field is a catch. I think the call will be overturned because I don't think he had control before he got two feet down.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 8:08pm

You were right. I believe the eventual call was the right one, too.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 8:11pm

Bills in field goal range. Lindell in for a 47-yard attempt. And.......he makes it to give the Bills the victory!

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 8:25pm

I'm actually pretty excited for this game - I think there'll be a lot of points and most importantly i think it'll be close!

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 8:34pm

Oh, man. Hester either tripped or someone got a fingertip on him. Otherwise, he'd have had another punt return for a TD. Atlanta was not impressive on that opening three and out.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 8:49pm

The Bears' defense has started strong. That's the second three and out to start the game for the Falcons.

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by ChiTown11111 (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 9:22pm

And then Ronnie white strikes...

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by t.d. :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 8:55pm

Cincinnati is winless since cutting ties with Brad St Louis.

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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 9:07pm

surprised atlanta didn't challenge that touchdown...

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by B :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 9:16pm

I'm surprised Lovie Smith didn't.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 9:19pm

I'm not. Any challenge there would have been a folly of hope over expectation. I'd have been utterly astonished if anybody on their staff expected that to be overturned, and even moreso if the referees had actually overturned it.

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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 9:18pm

wow. who was cutler throwing to there?

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 10:27pm

I can only conclude the wide open Falcons' defender.

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by Zheng :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 10:13pm

After catching up on all the crazy this week, can I just say that this Falcons-Bears game is refreshingly normal?

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 10:29pm

That was a nice play. Just before getting utterly crushed, Cutler throws to Clark, who pirouettes to make the catch. Bears threatening.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 10:35pm

What a sequence. On second goal from the one, Forte leaps the line and hits a brick wall. He fumbles, but lands on the ball and it looks like they said he recovered because he was laying on the ball holding on to it with his hands behind his back. Next play, pitch left. Forte is hit hard again and fumbles again. This time, Falcons' ball. Al and Cris were going on about Forte had only fumbled twice in his career. He doubled that on two plays.

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by Just Another Falcon Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 10:57pm

I swear that's the first time Atlanta's stopped someone on 3rd & short this year.

Just like the next time Chris Houston looks back for the ball will be the first time this year.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 11:03pm

Well, it looks like you'll still be swearing after that third and two TD pass. A very nice drive by the Bears, who went 92 yards after the Ryan interception.

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by Just Another Falcon Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 11:11pm

OK, the bootleg's been figured out, call something else -- like that Turner run!

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 11:11pm

And, the Falcons answer thanks to a 62-yard kick-off return by Reems. I'm surprised Gould didn't pull his groin on the fake Reems gave him. Turner scores the TD, 21-14 Falcons.

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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 11:15pm

looks like we might be going to overtime...

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by Just Another Falcon Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 11:20pm

Big sack by the Biermann!

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 11:22pm

They just showed the spot for tomorrow night's ESPN game. Is it just me, or is the look on Gruden's face as he looks over at the other two psychotic? I look at his face and imagine he's trying to decide where to stick the knife. I swear, if a kid shows up at my house for Halloween dressed as Gruden, I'll wet my pants.

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by Scott P. (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 11:38pm

There's a reason they call him "Chucky".

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 11:24pm

That's the second offensive pass interference pick I've seen called today. I don't think I saw one called all of last year.

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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 11:26pm

and chicago keeps trying to shoot themselves in the foot with penalties

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 11:28pm

Pace delivers the final shot with a horrible, horrible false start. Painful.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 11:27pm

Unbelievable. Orlando Pace false starts on 4th and one. The 4th and 6 pass falls incomplete. The Falcons take over on downs and are going to survive the Bears.

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by Just Another Falcon Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 11:28pm

3rd and 25 and we give up 24?????sheesh. And yet another Chicago miscue. Whew, that's it on a pass into double coverage.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 11:32pm

While the game did drag at times, we got a very exciting finish. I don't know that I learned anything new about either the Bears or the Falcons tonight. Given the way the Saints are playing right now, the Falcons are going to have to settle for a wild card berth if they're going to make the playoffs. But, they did keep pace with the Saints for this week.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/18/2009 - 11:42pm

Well, this hasn't been the best of sports weekends for me. The Irish lose to the Trojans for about the 800th time, the Seahawks get crushed by the Cardinals, and the Dodgers get taken behind the woodshed in game three of the NLCS by the Phillies. To add insult to injury, tomorrow's game is the Broncos at the Chargers. I dislike the Broncos. I dislike Norv Turner and the Wonder Brat. Nonetheless, I'll be watching and probably "rooting" for the Chargers since the Broncos are undefeated.

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by tornadot :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 12:01am

Cutler loses and I have to hear my brother evoke utter glee and spew venom at Number 6.

Okay I get some in Denver are still bitter about how that went down but many of us have chosen to move on.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 1:52am

Some of us do not wish to move on. Some of us may not have liked him already and are disturbed by his alarming similarities to a certain older quarterback we have disliked since 1995 . . . okay, so maybe that's just me. Besides, I'll need someone new to hate--That Guy will retire eventually, I think.

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by tornadot :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 2:06am

Soooo I guess that means the Cutler Wrangler Jean commercials are inevitable?

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by Raiderjoe :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 12:22am

Raiders moivn on up to the est side

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 1:53am

Congratulations on your prediction. Not many would have made it.

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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 9:30pm

Gotta love the refs outfits....I'm thinking of something orange...something O-range? Give up? It's an orange!

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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 10:49pm

Pretty entertaining game so far. Maybe we'll see another return for a touchdown here...

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by elhondo :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 10:52pm

Having Norv Turner coach your favorite team makes watching every game seem like a horror movie. You just know he's out there, plotting, waiting for the right moment to blow the lead, like a remedial Freddie Krueger.

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by Matt R (not verified) :: Tue, 10/20/2009 - 11:37am

Boy, isn't that the truth....

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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 11:22pm

you know, I think these Bronco road throwbacks could grow on me. I think it's because they look like M&M's.

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by Anonymous (not verified) (not verified) :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 11:29pm

Since when does Orton get a 52 yd pass? *Bears fan cries*

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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Mon, 10/19/2009 - 11:33pm

Well I have to admit there wasn't enough definitive evidence to overturn that TD catch by Stokely.

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by tornadot :: Tue, 10/20/2009 - 12:02am

I still don't think it was a TD catch. I just don't see it but since San Diego couldn't handle the pressure, didn't seem to matter.

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