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17 Oct 2010
Talk about the Week 6 games here!
Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 17 Oct 2010
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19 Oct 2010, 10:43am by
i am really confused about a couple of my picks this week...
something in my gut told me to take seattle over chicago but they can't score on the road
something also told me to take denver over the jets but they can't stop the run
i ignored the gut, fingers x'ed
Seattle can win if "good" Seattle shows up, but who knows if that's the case. It's going to be hard though because the Bears are unlikely to give up any special teams TDs, and Cutler has been taking care of the ball so far.
Denver over the Jets would be a sizable upset in my view. McDaniels's passing game vs Ryan's blitzes should be a fun match up though.
Honestly, in Denver, and with the Jets pass defense being what it has been so far this year, I think it would be at best a minor upset. Tomlinson vs. the Broncos miserable run defense won't matter a lick if the Broncos can get ahead, and I don't like Sanchez's chances in a shootout with Orton.
I have a better opinion of the Jets pass defense than DVOA does. Revis is back now, right?
Also, the Broncos are going to need a 3 possession lead if they want the Jets to abandon the running game before the 4th quarter. Don't see that happening. Don't see them getting that lead either.
I figure it'll take a two touchdown lead. Revis is a game time decision; I expect that even if he plays he won't be 100%.
All it takes is one good Broncos drive and one bad Sanchez turnover to get them that early. Also, don't forget that the Broncos have the biggest home field advantage of any franchise. (That is, according to a P-F-R blog post from a couple years back they have the biggest positive disconnect between home record and road record).
In New York I'd expect them to get blown out, but at Mile High this should be a competitive game.
I don't understand how one good year buys you so much respect. Revis hasn't made a play all year and he's been burned a bunch of times. People have certainly given him the benefit of the doubt with his injury, which seems odd to me. He's made some abominable mental mistakes which you can't blame a hamstring for.
Well it wasn't good or great, it was maybe the most dominant season by a CB in recent memory. If he was that good for 19 games, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when he's slowing down for 5 games. He was always going to regress towards the mean anyway, and an injury will obviously worsen that effect.
Most dominant in recent memory feels like a stretch to me. Revis only had six INT last year. Champ Bailey dominated from 2005-2006. Teams don't even consider throwing toward Nnamdi. It seems to me that Revis really benefitted from playing opposite from a CB who could be consistently thrown on last year. You put him on the field with another top corner, and he has been very average. Regressing to the mean is one thing. Its another to get burned weekly by 2nd and 3rd WR. Teams are targeting him. They don't believe he's going to make a play. You think he's the first top CB to play with an injury?
Fans seem to hold him in much higher regard than opposing teams do. His reputation from last year has already evaporated in the minds of opposing OC. How many more weak games will it be before the fans catch up?
CB performance is only measured in INTs when it comes to voting for the pro bowl. It's an extremely flawed measure.
Nnamdi gets shutdown after shutdown because Stanford Routt aand Chris Johnson are so bad - why bother throwing at him? Revis plays on a way, way better unit => more targets. Moreover Revis was on an island all year - and QB's couldn't help themselves targeting their number-one WR in one-on-one with no safety-help - generally with very limited (if any) succes.
Besides, when you, MidnightAngler, compare him to Nnamdi in the first place - he can't be that bad.
Do you think Revis is better than the 4th cornerback on the Jets? If so his return should improve their pass defense.
Bears open with a really strong opening drive. Long DPI on a pass to Hester sets them up. Then a heavy dose of Forte gets in the endzone.
Chris Williams is playing guard, and it looked like he had a really nice block on the TD.
That's okay, Atlanta. You didn't have to tackle DeSean Jackson on that end-around.
NE's defense is living "up" to their #32 against 3rd downs biling.
Colt McCoy's first INT... not a big surprise.
False start, Rams.
False start, Rams.
Ah, competent football.
This isn't a thread for advertising your blog. Don't.
Bad zone coverage that leads to a DeSean Jackson touchdown. I haven't seen a quarterback respond this well to being benched since Donovan McNabb...Too soon?
Green Bay D doesn't look very good. early. As a Miami fan, I approvw
And inevitably, as I post, Henne throws a pick-which Rodgers and Jennings turn into an 86yd TD. Nice.
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
I just love my fellow Patriots fans. When Branch was here we cheered for him like he's the greatest. He gets traded to Seattle and it's like "Branch? that guy sucks" Then the Pats get Moss, and we cheer for him all the time. When he gets traded, it's cause he sucks now. Now with Branch back, we cheer him like he's the Man.
I'm a laundry-rooter and proud of it.
We all are, when it comes down to it.
Not me I am just a fan of football. I could care less which teams win.
I enjoy it as a competition, not as a ritualized substitute for tribal warfare.
Not that there is anything wrong with that, its good for the plebs to have diversions.
Rodgers just threw an 86-yard TD to Greg Jennings.
And Todd Rundgren begins playing in the stadium, which rather confuses me.
Shit, Jennings SMOKED Vontae Davies. Made him look utterly stupid.
Does Bobby Carpenter have photos of Parcells et al? And if not, why is he still on the Miami roster? Another whiffed block, all on Carpenter.
Thats only 3 in two games. Cut him some slack.
Desean Jackson just took a wicked hit on a crossing route, looked clean from the brief blurry replay. Both players involved down on the field and not moving.
Dunta Robinson the CB for Atlanta on the play. Both players now walking off with heavy support.
Definitely looked like a clean hit and they flagged it anyway as "Defenseless receiver". Isn't the rule you can't go above the shoulders, but anything below is ok? Are defenders just not supposed to hit defenseless receivers at all now?
Tough for both players, Jackson got obliterated, but NFL needs to clean that up.
pussyball for the win
Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
Please provide a detailed list of all the traumatic brain injuries you've shaken off like a real man.
In related news, Merriweather really should have been tossed for launching himself head-first at a defenseless Heap.
(I also like the Eagles)
He would, except that all the traumatic brain injuries he's shaken off like a real man have affected his memory.
I wish I could thumbs up this post
well played, billsfan.
There is no way Robinson saw what he was hitting. His head was down and he led with the crown of his helmet. That's a perfect example of how to make a tackle that will result in an injury.
anyone know jackson's status to return?
He's done for today.
The commentary staff spent 10 minutes discussing how they have no idea how to eliminate those kinds of hits from the game. If the CB has been looking to tackle Jackson instead of hit him has hard as possible, the crown of his helmet does not end up underneath of Jackson's face mask. DBs have stopped tackling players and just "spear" players. Hobbs did it to himself earlier in the game trying to help bring a WR down after a catch. Play the ball, tackle the man and penalize this "spearing" behavior.
That was a nasty hit but why the penalty? It looked clean. This aint flag football.
Someone needs to put Dick Stockton out of his misery. Earlier he called a pass to Brandon Pettigrew a pass to Best. Pettigrew just made another catch, and he said it was his first catch of the day. And he also miscalled a pass to Bear Pascoe as a pass to Boss. This is embarrassing.
And he just called Hakeem Nicks, Nakeem Nicks (although I'll give him credit for not going with Nakeem Hicks, which is the usual mispronunciation).
Wow, Crumpler is terrible. I don't know why he's even seeing the field, with the two talented rookie TEs the Patriots have. I know he's a good blocker or whatever, but damn, stop putting him in pass patterns.
For some reason, here in the UK, they've stopped showing the yellow first down line in all games.
Puzzling choice, and while I'm sure this makes me a lazy fan, it makes things pretty confusing. Anyone know what the story is?
Okay, is anybody, anywhere watching San Diego at St. Louis? If so, what the heck is going on?
Yes. What's happening is the Rams have been playing surprisingly well, and they've done abnormally well on 3rd down offensively. The defense is harder to explain.
And the broadcast team, Steve Beuerlein and whoever, are unbelievably awful. They're missing blatantly obvious stuff constantly.
Aaaand back to reality.
God, Beuerlein is horrible. He just told us how the Chargers have a chance to pin the Rams deep with a punt, as Kaeding was lining up for a field goal and as his partner is talking about how long the attempt would be. He just doesn't seem to know what's actually going on about half the time.
Phil Simms: "They've got three guys who can play that position: Woodhead, Welker and Edelman."
Is he talking about the Faulk role, or being more stupid than that?
BEst was Simms channeling his inner Theismann and talking about how your shin can down you without your knee being down.
Those NFL players and their rickets...
The gritty-white-guy role, ofc.
Up 21-0, Kevin Kolb decides that he needs to throw an interception to have a more competitive game in the second half.
This Birds matchup is getting sloppy now. Whens the last time a QB got a horsecollar penalty?
I thought the key to that penalty was dragging the ball carrier down from behind, getting his legs trapped underneath of him. If so, that was no horse collar, as Kolb pulled him down to the side. That plus missing the blindside hit on Celek in the secondary, the zebras made two bad calls in a row to give ATL the ball on the Eagles 30.
The key, as I understand it, is grabbing inside the back of the shoulder pads and using that to pull the ballcarrier down.
I rather liked the matchup for Rivers in my fantasy lineup. I guess not. Can someone explain what is going on with the SD offense?
Gates is out, I think, main reason for second half improvement is I think more 2TE sets giving the OTs help to get Rivers more time. Admittedly this is from radio coverage, so someone who has pictures might well have better ideas...
Now that Moss is gone, on a blitz Brady can't just heave a jump ball into triple coverage. Someone please tell him that.
now im not saying crayton is any good, but hes a million times better than buster davis.
I just witnessed one of the worst calls Ive ever seen. Ronnie Brown got the 1st down on 4th and 1 by at least a full yard. They give a horrible spot. Miami challenges and the replay proves he clearly got the 1st...they refuse to overturn it. WTF.
I didn't get to see the million replays because I'm on RZC, but I rewound and it was pretty clear to me that he stayed up and staggered forward well past the next yard line. I can't believe they didn't overturn that.
I watched the replay, and while I don't remember looking for the exact spot, it seemed that people thought Brown made better progress than he did based on where his knee went down, but here's what actually happened.
Brown is hit by Peprah short of the 1st down, his knee doesn't quite go down, and he starts to drive forward again. Very soon after he starts to move forward his foot and leg twists and his shin/calf clearly touches the ground. At this point he is legally down, however he continues to push for about another half yard before his knee and then the rest of his body goes down.
I don't recall the exact position he was at when his shin went down, but is was quite a bit short of where he ended up when his knee went down. I'm assuming that's what Hochuli saw, though considering the number of calls his crew blew he could have gotten that wrong as well.
Disclaimer: Packer fan.
OMG the whee-whee commercial is so annoying!
And just like that, Kolb throws an 83 yd TD pass. Wow!
Yeah, it's a real shame that he can't throw deep like Vick.
Kolb, play-action/end-around-action/reverse trickeration pass deep to Maclin for the touchdown. I humbly demand that play be diagram-ed in Cover-3 this week.
I'm at work, only seeing the box scores updating. What happened to Shaun Hill? I see the Lions/Giants game, Hill and the Lions are keeping in it early, then later I notice Stanton is in the game. Play by Play gives no mention of an injury to Hill, he just randomly disappears and Stanton starts being credited with passes.
On a related note, seeing the Rams putting it to the Chargers, hand in hand with the way the Lions took care of the Rams last week... which of the three teams does this say more about?
SD for suuuuure.
Curt Menafee reporting that Shaun Hill broke his arm.
That figures. Down to our third-string QB. Hopefully Stafford can come back real soon, and maybe even stay healthy upon doing so.
Hill broke his arm, according to FOX.
M Lynch for his first score. 13-38-1 not exactly dominating, though.
LMAO @ the Cleveland Clowns and their greed.
Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
Greed? Die? Scum? Care to elaborate?
Deion Branch with TD. Don't give Brady 6 seconds from the 7-yard line - even Branch will get open then, and you know Tom will find him.
Welcome back, Deion.
Yup. He's pretty good.
Brady is in a fistfight with the BAL defense. Fun to watch.
How DARE you tackle me? I'm Tom Brady!
SD gets a 49 yard field goal blocked. How hard can protecting the kicker be? There's definately a coordinator on the hot seat there...
Sorry. SD have me assuming that it must've been a protection problem.
Green Bay needs to fire McCarthy. Their record in close game with him his horrible. Every single game that is close he finds a way to blow
The Ravens getting a bit predictive - NE stops them on a 3rd and one sneak.
Don't think they can win this...
It seems M JEnkins of the Saints has picked up a 30-yard unnecesary roughness penalty. Can someone elaborate?
In live action, hit QB Freeman OOB--that's 15. Then Freeman got up, jumped in his face, said something--Jenkins slapped him on the helmet--that's 15 more. Both of them will be sending checks to the Commish this week. Freeman could have gotten tossed, and Jenkins should have. (And I'm a Saints' fan.)
Why should Freeman be penalized? People yell at each other on the field all the time. An out-of-bounds hit is another story, as is slapping people around.
Freeman scrambled, Jenkins launched before Freeman was out of bounds, hit him 6" out of bounds, unnecessary roughness. Close call. Bucs sideline mobs Jenkins who retaliates for the the next 15 yards. Refs really didn't want Saints D to get the shutout.
Are the NFL.com servers smoking?
Bestill my heart, that was 7 straight running plays by the Eagles for 3-4 first downs. On a side note, I feel for anyone who started Akers today, as that was his third miss this afternoon.
Wheeeee, Tony Gonzalez. I imagine an onside kick is coming. Those missed FGs would have out this game completely out of reach by now. As a side note, verified!
And there it is...and the Eagles have it!
Akers hits it on his 4th attempt this afternoon. Note, on this attempt he removed the pink BCAM kicking shoe and used a "normal" kicking shoe.
Hmm... The pair of penalties that brought up 1st and 25 for the Pats really helped them shave some time off the clock on that FG drive.
God, Steven Jackson has no burst at all. He's so sluggish it's pathetic.
Except, somehow, on that one very key play.
In fairness, how long has he been single-handedly carrying an entire NFL franchise?
IMO, this has been more related to his groin injury this year than anything else. He's had his speed, but not the acceleration to get up to it. Supposedly he says he's 100%, but he wasn't running like it most of today until the final drive that ate up the clock.
What's the status on two-point-converion-rates? If it's above 50%, shouldn't McCarthy have tried to win it Shanahan style?
Or failed Herm style.
With the game on the line, the Pats decide to lean on their secondary, with just a three-man rush on each down. I didn't see that coming. Got them the 3-and-out, however.
Devin Hester brings a punt back, and the Seattle punter gets KO'd on a clean block. Now the onside kick...
...Which might have been the worst onside kick ever.
I've never seen a good onside kick from Gould. I'm starting to think the Bears just don't practice it.
The wind kept blowing the ball off the tee, and they were attempting an onside kick with a holder putting his finger on the ball. I can't imagine that makes it any easier.
Not a 62 yard field goal, but a desperation play... intercepted and overtime in New England.
I was behind Belichick on that 4th and 2 against Indy. But the Hail Mary there... that seems to me like a very strange call.
Yeah, I was fully expecting the field goal attempt. Gostkowski seems like he'd have the leg for that, but alas 'twas not to be.
This seems like 6 to one, half a dozen to the other in terms of likelihood of working.
Think the odds for a hail mary are higher and less chance of disaster than kicking a 62 yarder.
But I have to say he kicked with the wind...
Hindsight and all that, but doesn't Gostkowski lead the league in touchbacks? Why not give the big leg a shot?
My initial thought is that the odds of either being successful are rather low and the field goal is probably much more likely to allow the other team to score points. I agree with Belichick.
EDIT: I just realized this could be misinterpreted. I meant the field goal is probably much more likely than the hail mary to allow the other team to score points, not that it is more likely to allow the other team to score points than for your team to score points.
That's what I took you to mean. That wasn't my take on the situation, but maybe I did watch that video of Mason Crosby almost hitting the 69 yard free kick one too many times...
Does James Harrison ever tackle WITHOUT spearing?
Once again NFL...you have a rule already on the books that will drastically reduce head and neck injuries...try using it.
So which one of those was a penalty? Cribbs was a rusher, and the receiver lowered his helmet. This is football, not figure skating. If you dont like violence, find another sport.
Helmet to helmet is always illegal.
Uh, nope. Maybe you should learn the rules. Helmet to helmet is only illegal against QB's and "defenseless receivers". RB's, or players acting as RB's like Cribbs was, are not protected under that rule.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. The defense player is ALWAYS responsible for helmet to helmet contact against the ball carrier, the position the ball carrier play has nothing to do with the rule.
Clueless AND an Internet Tough Guy....always a great combination. Idiot.
Kolb: 23/29 - 326 - 3/1. AND he likes dogs.
McCarthy has to be the biggest Idiot in Coaching. Since 2008 GB is now 6-13 in 1 Score games (7 Points or Less).
A team cannot compete in the NFL when they have to win every game by Double Digits
You realize that is just random variance? It means nothing.
It can be explained by variance - everything in the NFL can.
Peyton Manning isn't better than Derek Anderson; Mannning has just had more luck than Anderson. Thus Mannings superior production can be explained by variance.
Now if you allow for Manning to actually have more skill than Anderson, less variance is needed to explain the difference in production.
Clock-management is real, and it's a somewhat valuable skill for a head coach - a skill that McCarthy clearly does not have.
An your evidence for this is what? To hear a lot of people 3/4s of NFL coaches "lack" this skill. My suspicion is people are just picking on the outliers.
Also you counterexmaple is completely ridiculous. The evidence we have that Manning is better than Anderson is THOUSANDS of plays. The evidence cited against McCarthy is 19 games.
All right, I might be guilty of setting up a straw man, there. My point, ill formulated as it might have been, was merely to point out, that to say this is definately "just random variance" is no more guess-work than saying that McCarthy is definately the cause. Both have limited evidence.
If i play 19 hands of poker, and loose every time, it *can* be explained by variance. It can also be explained by me being a terrible poker player. Hard to know which.
Also; from a purely statistical standpoint, how many underachieving games/hands does it take establish whether McCarthy/I is a bad Clock-manager/poker player? 20? 50? 1000?
He's hasn't lost every time.
Denver doesn't seem to fear Cromartie. Two straight throws his way that would've been complete if the throws were good. Missed read on the 2nd one.
I predict Chris Ivory=#1 in DYAR for RB's. Unfortunately for him, no TD's and 1 fumble OOB might keep his total down so that somebody in the 2nd games (Peterson?) can pass him.
Sam Koch has been a key player in Boston today. His punts have been very good.
Meanwhile, Aaron Hernandez has lost his hands to the point of Brady barking at him.
Some quick thoughts after the Bears. The inability to adjust to the safety blitzes off the edge was really frustrating (even more for Cutler than me I'm guessing). The 5 guys they played this week had moments of brilliance though. It's possible the line could actually start getting some continuity and improve over the weeks now. If the Bears can get consistent play out of the offensive line, they could be really good.
Chris Williams looked like a beast at guard. Kind of a consolation prize though.
Unfortunately the good play of the line was offset by the complete inability to block Seattle's big blitzes. Not sure whether it was the line's fault, Mike Tice's or Martz's? Probably all three
Martz it must be said called a horrific game. His obsession with the 7 step drop is killing Cutler and the offense. A lot of fans, myself included drank the Kool-Aid (no Brian Billick) about how Martz offenses were adept at beating the blitz, something we could not do with Ron Turner running the show. However, the blitz continues to kill us. I don't think Martz has called a single screen on 3rd down all year.
This is a bad, bad offense. Probably the second worst I can remember, behind the travesty that was the 2004 version
Zoltan Mesko with a 65 yard punt in OT. God thats a cool name!
Isn't it what that wish-machine in that Tom Hanks movie is called?
I think it was Zoltar.
You are correct.
Wait, there was a wish machine? Why didn't he just use it to get off the damn island?
We're talking about Big, not Philadelphia.
Because his IQ is 75.
Zoltar - Close, but no cigar. :)
/looks at the guy in the "Moss Who?" shirt.
Wow, Bill Simmons has really let himself go.
Yes, Joe. Miles Austin leaping over Williams is the reason why the Cowboys are 1-3.
No, its not the reason, just evidence of the reason.
How do you get a holding call when defending a field goal attempt?
I've seen it happen where the defender has effectively tried to pull the offensive lineman out of his lane to let a rusher through.
Ok, yea that makes sense.
Wow. I can't fathom this... the Patriots won this week, despite repeatedly having to rely on their defense stopping the Ravens.
What the heck happened to Champ Bailey?
Edwards just beat him so badly that he was still several yards past him after slowing down to wait for the pass. And Braylon Edwards doesn't really even run good routes.
Edit: Oh, now I see a replay from the end zone that makes me think he wasn't even Bailey's man.
Hard to say. I'm watching Red Zone. Can't focus on anything.
Bailey got caught up in some traffic near the LOS and didn't recover. Didn't look like a designed pick play but that's how it worked out.
Tim Tebow sighting - for a TD.
Didn't see that coming. Should I have?
Not to suggest that they shouldn't call OPI on that play by Miles Austin... but that was hardly your standard pushoff. It was more like a stiff arm that Asher Allen simply bounced off of because Miles Austin is three times stronger than he is.
Jared Allen has already gotten into Doug Free's head - he's just abusing him. Word of Muth should be interesting...
And I don't know what the hell Minnesota is doing, but Favre is running for his life on every play.
3 sacks in the first half on 12 (?) dropbacks.
Dallas is just a penalty machine.
I was wondering - who do you guys think is in the lead for Rookie of the Year?
after 5 and a half weeks?!
Javid Best? Max Hall?
Too early to be sure, but my vote so far would be Jahvid Best and I wouldn't even think twice.
I would think about Bradford.
Yup, Bradford for me. It's so much rarer for a quarterback to be good as rookie than a running back, besides which he has a receiving group which was terrible to begin with and now has the top two guys on IR, and is being asked to throw the ball a ton, rather than avoid making mistakes in the sort of stripped-back, run-heavy offenses that helped the likes of Roethlisberger, Ryan and Flacco in their first years.
Defense? Nate Allen. But I'm biased.
Tebow running the pistol 3 or 4 times already
Did the Patriots overpay for THIS Deion Branch? Maybe this Belichick guy knows what he's doing.
Deion Branch is the old Wes Welker.
Woodhead is the new Faulk
I thought Troy Brown was the old Wes Welker.
Troy Brown was never a slot guy. He played a more varied role than that.
On the other hand, it's nice to see a white guy compared to a black guy for once. My head would explode if I saw Welker compared to Randy Vataha.
Pft points out that moss and branch are currently tied for receptions for nep this year.
Wow, 49ers reaching new levels of futility on this drive
Tebow again in the pistol formation
Every time I watch Sanchez drop back he seems to be running around forever then throwing to a crowd of Broncos defenders. Surely his receivers aren't that bad?
Non-football thought, but "the cat in the box is dead (not verified)" made me smile...
Question about the unncessary roughness penalty on Leonhard on the Lloyd catch. The announcers were wondering if he held onto the ball out of bounds. I was wondering since it was considered an illegal hit if you could affect the outcome of the play. What I mean is, since it was a catch in bounds, then an illegal hit, seems like it would stay a catch no matter what. Seems to me like teams could just commit super flagrant penalties on plays like that if the defender was beat to try and insure the receiver would drop the ball going out of bounds. That way they could take a 15 yd penalty and have it wind up being shorter than the catch would have been for. Sorry for the long post, just something I was wondering about.
On the Jets last 3 passes, the receivers did not control the ball all the way to the ground, and they were all called complete.
Actually the Holmes's catch might have been, but the slant to Edwards and the flat route to the TE should have been called incomplete.
And yet another awful throw is bailed out by a PI call, and now the Jets will win the game against the Broncos.
Totally legit call. But god I am so sick of seeing idiotic throws into coverage rewarded by giant chunks of yardage.
Looking at the replay, Holmes had a good chance of catching the ball except for the PI.
He did. But it was still just a ball chucked up and underthrown to a covered receiver.
I just hate when that kind of stuff gets rewarded. Even if it had been just a legit catch.
At least on that play it wasn't one of those ones where the only reason the DB gets called for PI is because he makes contact with the receiver because he slowed down to wait for the ball while the corner kept running hard...
Orton looks really good under pressure here. Odds are still against him, but he doesn't seem all that bothered by that Jets D.
To be fair, though, if a catch was so unlikely the DB could have just played the ball, not the man.
Oh, and that's a sad way for Orton's comeback drive to fail.
The Vikings Cowboys game has just basically been iced by a horribly ticky tacky PI call on a totally uncatchable ball which gifted Minnesota the first down they needed to kill the clock. Unsatisfactory all round.
I think it's a little harsh to say that, when replays showed the cornerback holding the receiver's arm and preventing him from jumping.
It was probably uncatchable, but you can't tell how high the receiver could have gotten without someone hanging off of his arm.
No call that denies the Cowboys a victory is too harsh. It is merely karma balancing the universe.
That probably should have been illegal contact, not PI, but it would have been an automatic first down either way.
I don't understand why refs don't use the less harsh penalties on close calls.
I also don't understand why almost every defensive penalty is an automatic 1st down.
That annoys me too. I assume it's because defenders could abuse the penalty if they were beaten on a play which might result in a first down. Few things in sport annoy me more than a ticky-tack defensive holding on an incomplete third and 20 extending a drive though.
Having said that, it's nothing compared to the fury of an horrendous PI call on perfect coverage all-but-guaranteeing a touchdown by giving the offense the ball on the one yard line. Not that I'm still bitter about Asante Samuel vs. Denver in 2006 or anything...
Disgraceful effort on the last play from the Cowboys.
Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.
Thats probably the most frustrating thing in football.
4th and 6 for the ballgame. Sanchez takes the snap from around midfield. runs around and in desperation throws up a prayer. The end result: A (legit) DPI to put the ball at the Broncos 1 yard line. McD lets them score on the next play. Sigh.
This is why the college PI rule is better. Not to start an argument or anything. But if you had to pick a penalty that can go over 15 yards (the usual "max punishment") why make it one that's so open to argument, and so unreliably and inconsistently called?
The problem is, if you change the rule much, the downside for the defender is going to disappear in big play situations.
If they stick to the current ramifications, perhaps there should be a mandatory review of any PI call? Don't know that this would be approved, however.
That hasn't happened in college and a defender who consistently gives the offense a 15 free yards and stops the clock won't be on the field very long.
It *has* happened in college. You see defenders basically tackle guys deep all the time.
If the defender is close enough to tackle the guy, you probably shouldn't be throwing 40 yards downfield to the receiver. The only reason QBs take that chance now, is because if the ball is poorly through, the defender runs into the receiver.
2 bad snaps cost the Broncos. Oh well, time for sleep.
The ground can't cause a fumble, though. So either it's an incomplete pass or he's downed when the ball pops out.
That incomplete pass seems like a really odd thing to spend a challenge on, especially this early in the game on a non-critical play.
Awesome view of the secondary on the colts td. Why don't they broadcast the game mostly from the cable cam again?
I think they do on the website.
Yeah it just annoys me because it's such a superior angle for both runs and passes and it's the "madden angle". I really think 5 years from now that angle will be synonymous with TV football coverage.
They do. I spent most of last week's game charting the Strong Safeties, just because I could.
Yes Kareem Moore, that's what happens when you drop a Peyton Manning pass that drops in your lap.
Holy crap - what a catch by Pierre (dropsies) Garcon!
I was just hoping he didn't tip that one up. I guess the other passes weren't worth his effort.
One thought from earlier today that I've been dwelling on: the Vikings and the Cowboys played a close, exciting football game, one that was really worth watching. Yet somehow, Troy Aikman and Joe Buck made it sound boring. It's a shame; football is too beautiful a game to be ruined by hacks like those two.
In contrast, Chris Collinsworth has been great this year. He gives the best and most consistent commentary I've been fortunate enough to listen to since Madden himself in his prime.
Was Buck doing play-by-play? When they showed the booth thought I saw someone else doing it. Maybe it was a guest.
Thom Brenneman did it. Buck had NLCS. Baseball playoffs are the best three weeks of football.
Ah. Well Joe Buck still sucks, Thom Brenneman is far far worse.
I turn on the game for the first time and the Redskins immediately score. Since I want Shanahan to lose every game, I'm now afraid that I caused the touchdown.
The Colts scored immediately afterward, so I am no longer concerned.
Now add Chris Cooley to the list of players who suffered brain injuries today. I love football but sometimes watching the sport is scary.
I almost vomited watching someone on the NY Giants tear up his knee today. I didn't see the hit on DeSean Jackson but I hear it was bad.
The hit on Addai was sickening too. He was properly out cold the moment Fletcher hit him. Was having a brilliant game as well, he probably can't remember any of it now. Like you said, scary.
The hit on Heap was pretty bad, too. Meriweather launched himself off his feet just to make the hit, and Heap was apparently unconscious for a few minutes. Then he returned to the game for the next series.
The one on Addai was really nasty--he was basically in a headlock when the shoulder arrived at his face, then the commentators promptly defended it as a hit that there was nothing wrong with.
According to the Bengals, Heap had a stinger. I think thats a load of crap, but he was only out of the game for about 10 minutes.
It looked to me like Merriweather just mistimed his jump, and instead of hitting Heap as the ball got there, he hit Heap as Heap was coming down.
Phillip Buchanon: Clutch.
Phillip Buchanon keeps the Redskins alive! Colts by 3 with 2:42 to go, Colts call three passes, Buchanon breaks up two to Wayne, Landry breaks up one to Clark. Redskins keep all 3 timeouts
Redskins Offense: Less clutch.
we all complain about the horrible play by play and commentary. is there a simulcasted podcast from people that actually know what they're talking about? we could watch the game on TV while listening to the audio from some friendly neighborhood football outsider pumped through the internets...kinda like "audibles at the line" but a little more formalized.
I have heard that doing this is illegal. I have some free time this week, so maybe I will look into that and see whether it's true.
Oh my God, that's Captain Checkdown's music!
Trent Edwards. Just gets. First downs. By having to outrun both his own o-line and the defense.
Well that's deflating.
Edit: That's a bad fumble, wasn't even punched out.
Nothing is sweeter than winning your fantasy football game on a meaningless last minute touchdown on 4th down by a team already with a 3-score lead.
As a football fan I think it was stupid, classless and pointless by the titans. But as a Chris Johnson owner I'm elated...
"I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random
If I'm in the same situation as the Titans - 4th & 5, opponent's 35 - I'm going to call on off-tackle run to try to pick up the first so that I can kneel down and run out the clock. I'm not kneeling down on fourth down with 1:48 to play. I'm not going to run up the score by kicking a FG. I'm not going to punt from the 35. Pick up the first, and run out the clock. If the opponent makes zero effort to tackle my running back, that's their fault; their lack of effort doesn't make me classless.
Why the heck is JDR calling those timeouts at that point anyway?
Ok, fine. But you agree there's no reason for CJ to be in there? It seems as if part of their goal is to keep him happy and that means running up the yards.
My first instinct is to agree with you that CJ should not have been in there. I think that's a perfectly reasonable point.
I was mildly perplexed about why CJ was in, but not nearly as perplexed as I was about JDR using his timeouts inside of two-minutes when down by 20 points. Then I thought about it as if it were a college basketball game instead of an NFL football game (background: I've coached basketball at every level from middle school to NCAA D-I). It's very common for basketball teams, especially early in the season, to work on their comeback strategy even when the game has gotten out of reach. Fans don't like it, since it drags out a game that's already decided, but working on late game strategy against an outside opponent is extremely beneficial.
Either JDR was taking that approach or maybe he's just a complete jackass. I'll assume the former. The game was decided, so why not get some reps simulating a late-game comeback? Had the Jaguars been succesful at the faux comeback, it would have provided at least one postitive to take away from the game - some tiny amount of success to build on going forward. Maybe that's a stretch, but it's the only reasonable explanation I can come up with.
If JDR is going to call his timeouts to get comeback reps, then it's entirely appropriate for the Titans to work on their four-minute offense at the same time. If both teams are using the final minutes to get extra reps at late-game strategy, then it makes sense to keep in the players who will be executing those plays when a game really is on the line later in the season.
I admit that I could be completely wrong about this. Maybe JDR was just being a jackass and Fisher returned the favor. I'm hoping, for both coaches, that this was not the case.
eh it was an off tackle run, not a triple reverse flea flicker hook and lateral. it was a run. line up and stop it.
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