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14 Oct 2012
Here's your thread to talk about all of Week 6's footed ball.
Posted by: Rivers McCown on 14 Oct 2012
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Noah of Arkadia
Gilbert takes out Pouncey
Velvet Sky fan
"Tennessee keeps the ball " ?
Ed 'best in the game' Guns
Velvet Sky fan
hell of an effort by Wallace to keep in bounds to score that
How does Wallace run so fast with that waddle-stride?
If it hadn't been called TD would it be fumble/touchback? Maybe not such a great idea to stretch the ball out there?
The Titans don't look like the worst team in the NFL tonight.
Tuck rule should help Steelers here.
Haha, tuck rule rears it's retarded head again. Brady made it famous, but Dalton owns the most egregious example.
c'mon Titans, take 'em down.
Haha, unimpressed Roethlisberger meme incoming, internet.
Hopefully it is now clear to all how terrible a coach
St Tomlin really is.
Next DVOA should have the Steelers D as league worst
Steelers failure to already have a press conference addressing Ta'amu is insane.
This should be a HOF level insta-cut.
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How on earth was that DEFENSIVE PI??
Were you referring to Torrey Smith? I was watching it on Red Zone, so I didn't see the full play, but my initial reaction was the same as yours.
Assuming you mean the touchdown play where Torrey Smith shoved Claiborne to the ground? If so, I agree. Looked far more like OPI to me, and certainly not DPI.
MASSSSIVE hold on that double team that created the crease on that Ratbird return
Stafford looks terrible for the 2nd week in a row, squandering a great effort by the defense. have to wonder, like we did with Philip Rivers last year, if he has some undisclosed injury, or just some pretty significant regressio.
-I'm not Billy Bad-Ass.
The Falcons probably will win this game to remain unbeaten, but I am just not that impressed with them. They are tied with the Raiders at 13-13 and just settled for a field goal when they started their "drive" at Raiders' 2 yard line after a strip sack and fumble return. They were lucky to beat Carolina at home a few weeks ago, and they squeaked by Washington on the road after RGIII got knocked out of the game. I think the Redskins might have won if he had been able to play the whole game.
Eagles lose a touchdown on what I have to admit is a pretty tickey tack offensive PI on Celek and have to settle for an FG. If Stafford actually starts doing something that could end up being a big play, but right now Stafford hasnt show any evidence that he's gonna do anything.
What in the world happened to the Ravens run D?
Eagles lose a touchdown on what I have to admit is a pretty tickey tack offensive PI on Celek and have to settle for an FG. If Stafford actually starts doing something that could end up being a big play, but right now Stafford hasnt show any evidence that he will.
Asante Samuel saves game for Falcons. Baits Palmer into INT and TD return.
Not so fast, Raiders go right down the field for a tying TD.
Spoke too soon. Raiders drive 80 yards without much trouble. 40 seconds left.
Stop leaving time for the Falcons to win it with a FG.
Bryant from 55 for the lead with 1 second left.
To Morten Andersen related reasons I know a lot of Falcons fans. The way they are beating bad teams in miraculous fashion on a weekly basis and the obnoxiousness of said Falcons fans, I'm really going to hate the Falcons this year.
Hopefully non-obnoxious Falcons fan here. I do wish the media would stop ranking them so high based solely on their record. They're an above-average team whose current record as you note is based on mostly beating bad teams. I hope they're not believing they're elite. They have numerous holes, and while I think Ryan is above average, he's not in the Brady/Manning/Brees category.
That said, they should win their division. I'm predicting 11-5 - they've got through the easy part of the schedule, but their failure to blow out these bad teams, especially at home, is telling.
Another hopefully reasonable Falcons fan here. I also think that this is more like a 4-2 team than a 6-0 one (expected wins will probably agree on Tuesday), and watching the Falcons nearly lose to three not good teams in a row hasn't been very much fun. Ironically it seems as though the offense has been completely at fault. Obviously the three interceptions stand out, but Ryan also sucked it up on third down (with help from his receivers not hanging on to difficult-but-catchable balls) all day long.
Still, the defense has been remarkably good - giving up 13 points through the first 55 minutes of the game despite the aforementioned interceptions and bad Falcons O ceding bad field position and giving them no time to rest is still pretty impressive. Palmer lit them up throwing to a bunch of mystery receivers, but otherwise they did well against every quarterback not named Peyton Manning. And I was one of those people yelling at the TV for them to stop running Turner into the line for one yard on every single first down, so it would be gauche to complain about the new Packers-lite offense not always working out.
When their style was, as Tainer put it, "bland victory porridge," I rooted for more dynamic and exciting schemes. Now that we have those, the porridge doesn't look so bad after all.
Considering our very mediocre history, Falcons fans shouldn't be obnoxious at all. We haven't earned the right.
The biggest weakness on the team is the OL. Not powerful enough up front, which makes Turner look even worse than he is and provides inconsistent pass protection for Ryan. Weirdly, the pass protection has been better on the road than at home. We have four OL on the bench who were picked by the Dimitroff regime. So in theory changes could be made, but it's hard for coaches to change when you haven't lost a game. We'll see how they line up after the bye.
I was at the game, and I was mystified at how Carson Palmer - CARSON PALMER! - pulled so many plays out of his tushie.
Agree about the OL - I thought Peter Konz was supposed to be at least a starting G now, if not taking over for McClure at center. I do worry about the current regime's talent evaluation skills.
Next three games look tough - at Philly, Dallas, at N.O. Really, if we can win one of those, we'll be doing well I think. Don't think the Saints won't be fired up for that one, especially if they're on a winning streak ...
Fisher sends out Zuerlein for a 65-yard gametying try...
pulled it left - had distance, though.
Too bad. Glad Legatron got the chance. He may own the NFL record this year.
Dez Bryant can complain about the 2 point conversion all he wants, but he pushed off like crazy on the touchdown.
Lions and Eagles going into OT. I swear the Lions and Tigers haved aged me 10 years this season.
Intriguing to see Belichick having the chat with Scharnecchia on the 4th down in the red zone before deciding to kick. You seldom see head coaches chatting with o-line coaches.
I'm happy my team won, but egads what a sloppy game. DVOA has correctly projected that despite having talented players, both the Lions and Eagles are in actuality both average to mediocre (mostly because of all the sloppy play and mistakes they make).
Not Brady's best moment. With 5 seconds left in the half, on the 5 yard line, he throws the ball out of the back of the endzone. Intentional Grounding, end of half.
24 yard field goal attempt just thrown away.(and a chance to make it a 2 score game)
Very similar to the play Vick made against Buffalo before halftime last year.
The second quarter of the Giants-49ers and Vikings-Redskins games are interesting in that in both of them, one team is completely dominating the other. The Giants are dominating the Giants and the Redskins are dominating the Vikings. The Vikings had a chance to open up a big lead in the first quarter, but had to settle for 3 field goals. The Redskins have responded with 17 points in the second quarter, the last 14 of which came 13 seconds apart shortly before the 2 minute warning. After the first TD, Ponder was intercepted inside his own 10 on the first play as he was hit as he tried to throw. The Redskins then scored a TD on the first play after that.
Edit: They have just changed that interception to a fumble.
I'll assume you meant the Giants are dominating the Niners, not engaging in self-abuse.
Ha ha. Yes, you are correct. That's what I get for focusing on too many games at once.
Re: The blocked FG i San Francisco
Isn't it a live ball after a blocked kick? It seemed to me the ball landed in the endzone, and noone bothered to go down it.
No, blocks don't count as a touch by the return team.
A blocked kick is live behind the line of scrimmage. If the kick goes beyond the line of scrimmage, it's live only if and when the non-kicking team touches it. That's why that Leon Lett play so many years ago on Thanksgiving was such a huge mistake. The Cowboys blocked a potential game-winning field goal with only a few seconds left, and the ball was well beyond the line of scrimmage. All the Cowboys had to do was not touch the ball and they win the game. He stupidly ran and tried to recover it, thinking it was live. He slid on the ground by the ball (the field was covered with snow) and ended up inadvertently pushing the ball away. The Dolphins ended up recovering the ball and then kicked a field goal on the last play to win the game. Of course, the Cowboys did rebound well enough to win the rest of their games that year and won the Super Bowl, but that was a memorable gaffe.
Ah. I guess I just lost my point and laugh at Leon Lett-priveliges.
There's also the goal line fumble in the Super Bowl, so you're still covered.
It's ironic that Kevin Gilbride made a fuss about Justin Smith holding. I'm not saying he doesn't, Andy Benoit was correct about that, but the Giants' offensive line is holding on pretty much every pass play. Some of it is pretty blatant, look at Ahmad Brooks on the long Hixon catch down the right sideline in the second quarter as a good example. I'd be happy if they'd just call a couple of them, to get the Giants to be a little less grabby.
That said, it might not make any difference if Eli continues with the same form he's shown so far. He's making incredible accurate throws to all parts of the field, he's getting rid of the ball right on time and making the correct read over and over again. It's scary stuff.
Greatest Coach Ever inexplicably forgets to brainwash Alex Smith prior to game, Alex Smith regains his memory and throws three picks in three quarters.
He's been awful, just a mess. He seems to think that Rolle is on his team. I've defended him a lot down the years but right now I'd bench him but that might be because I think Kaepernick could be really good.
Uurgh now he can't even run the read option.
More Moss please.
I tell ya, those Seahawks aren't going to be an easy game for anybody this year. Holy canoli, that defense is just bananas.
Jay Feely NAILS a 60-yarder. It was dead center and would've been good from about 70. Yeesh.
And then doinks a 38 yarder to win the game off the left upright. OT.
This seems like a reocurring trend with the Patriots:
Up one score, the Patriots defense comes up with a big stop with 3 minutes left, and gets the ball back. The Offense comes out, goes 3 and out, takes up about 15 seconds on the clock, and then punts.
Defense can't stop opponent on next drive.
I am baffled by how the Pats can get first downs at will except when they decide to burn clock. Doesn't the usual offense burn clock?
And the pass defense is godawful.
NFL RedZone is in a three game split screen. In a span of litterally 7 seconds, RGIII springs a +50-yard TD run to ice it against the Vikings, Jay Feely misses a gamewinner from 38 yards, and Russel Wilson find Sydney Rice in the endzone with a 50 yard bomb to take a one point lead over the Pats. Absolutely insane.
Fire. The wheel. Sliced Bread. NFL RedZone.
For those of us in the US, NFL Sunday Ticket belongs on that list even before NFL Red Zone.
I guess so, but seeing all three of those plays within 7 seconds were just phenomenal.
Yes, that's true, but through NFL Sunday Ticket, I saw all of those plays within those same 7 seconds or so without even using NFL Red Zone (which is part of the NFL Sunday Ticket package). I had one game on my TV and the other two games on my computer. We can watch up to 4 games at once on our computer. We also have a Game Mix channel that allows you to watch up to 8 games at once.
The point isn't that NFL Red Zone isn't great. (It is.) It's that NFL Sunday Ticket has so much more than that. The greatest thing about it is that it allows you to watch any game you want. For those of us who don't live in the market where our favorite team plays, it means that we always can watch our favorite team without having to go to a sports bar.
Too true. We need to have it so my wife can watch Eagles games. But having the option to watch whatever we like is great.
I was watching that, and it was less useful than it might have been. For one thing, all three pictures are small. But more importantly, I only have one focus of attention. I was watching RGIII scamper for a TD and completely missed the TD in the Pats' game.
It's a bit too gimmicky to split the screen.
Are we sure that Goody-Goods made peace with the refs? Some blatant home cooking in Seattle.
Im pretty delirous with victory but I didnt see anything that was badly called?
I saw some missed, pretty obvious, block in the backs/clips/etc blocks on Russel Wilson's scrambles, but I saw some stuff that went the other way.
I think the refs were bad, but I don't think they went all that badly in one direction.
So there are THREE teams at .666 in the NFC... West?! I want my mommy.
Only if you truncate. Round it up to .667--it's much less evil.
Doesn't matter - it won't last long.
I thought Joseph was supposed to be a lock down corner? Its funny, I watched a lot of AFC North football and always thought he was somewhat above average, and once he got to the Texans he became great. Not that his play hasn't been great for the Texans, but I was surprised at how much he improved.
If nothing else the Giants put to rest the idea of there being a 'blueprint' to beat this Niners team. Total domination in all three phases is a dandy blueprint, thank you.
I wouldn't go as far to say the Giants offence was dominant. In the first half it was just a case of great QB play. Then they got 3 successive short fields to begin the second half, and only came away with a single touchdown. They only really ran the ball effectively in the fourth quarter when the game was over and one sensed the Niners had dialled it in for the day.
Yeah, perhaps a bit of hyperbole on my part.
Still, call it a blueprint or a whatever but a big key to beating SF is not letting them play from ahead (way easier said than done nor something that can be gameplanned for). But more specifically, Smith still isn't a good passer in obvious passing situations (3rd down, etc.) when facing a team that can actually play defense. And the 49ers simply aren't equiped to come back from a 2+ score lead compared to other teams: Not enough weapons on offense and that starts with the QB. That's not to say they are the worst at it, just that it's not a strength.
All said it's just a weakness just like every other good team has. Some teams have the horses to come back late when down against any defense and some don't and win in other ways. The Niners are a team that thrives in tight games, can break a team's will with their tough play on defense and typically doesn't beat themselves with penalties or turnovers. They overcome that inability to convert 3rd downs by bring really good at converting on 1st & 2nd down.
Back to agreeing with your point, they got minimal help from either their defense or ST against the Giants. No short fields and and NY had great field position the entire second half. Credit to the SF defense for holding the Giants to mostly FGs not TDs off all those picks. But they simply got beat today by an offensive line that adjusted well to the pounding administered to Eli in the playoffs. If there is a rematch I imagine Harbough will come at them with a tweaked scheme.
Somebody needs to teach Wade Phillips how to wear a baseball cap and a headset at once.
One of the few thing Josh McDaniels does exceptionally well.
I have a question about the tuck rule, inspired by the Dolphins-Rams game today.
Why don't the referees (and announcers, too) ever seem to worry about whether a "pass" as determined by the tuck rule is actually a forward pass? A quarterback is tucking the ball after an aborted pass, gets hit, and the ball drops right at his feet. Shouldn't this be ruled a fumble simply because it's a lateral?
Sam Bradford had a fumble overturned as a pass in the third quarter. I couldn't tell whether it was going forward or not, but it didn't seem to even be acknowledged as a possible issue, so does the tuck rule make this possibility irrelevant?
Andy Dalton would be the guy who could answer that for you. He once threw a pass 10 yards straight behind him that basically landed at his own goal line, he ran back to fall on it, and the ball returned to the previous line of scrimmage. Why? Arm was moving foreward, foreward pass, that went 10 yards directly behind him, tuck rule, done.
Now you know, and knowing doesn't make it any less retarded.
My understanding is that this is irrelevant under the tuck rule. It doesn't matter if the pass is a forward pass. It is considered an attempted forward pass regardlesss of whether or not it actually goes forward.
Looked like a poor decision to me by Gary Kubiak to attempt the 51 yard field goal there rather than go for it on 4th and 2. They are going to need a lot of points the mood Rodgers is in tonight.
And now some shambolic end-of-half clock-handling as they allow 15 seconds to run off the clock on 4th down with all 3 time-outs in hand.
If a DE rips off a QBs helmet, how is that not a forcible blow to the head (i.e. a 15 yard roughing penalty)?
Because it's still legal to squeeze their neck like it's a tube of toothpaste and pop the cap off.
For the same reason it's not a penalty for a Packer guard to rip off the helmet of a defender with flagrant hands in the facemask.
But Aaron's explanation works as well.
He told me and earl to see him after the game when they win..... I found him after.... twitter.com/RSherman_25/st…— Richard Sherman (@RSherman_25) October 15, 2012
Looks like it got removed. BUT I SAVED IT.
I guess once it hit NFL.com, my man Sherm thought it was more important to be a great teammate than be right. Seems like he also probably knows it didn't matter, take it down for appearances, it's the internet and now out there forever.
"We've secretly replaced the Denver Broncos with the Dallas Cowboys. Let's see if anyone notices."
"Correction: We've actually replaced the San Diego Chargers with the Dallas Cowboys."
After the Carter fumble-TD, this lead is certainly NORVable.
There should be a NORVability scale for coaches, and the clock management element should be measured in REIDs
I'll sign on if kiloREIDs can be colloquially referred to as SHELLs.
Wow. wtf am I watching. The people who did't quit on this game were rewarded with quite a rollercoaster of a game.
Wow I say. WTF am I watching?
Yeah, I wonder how many people turned this game off at halftime. Unbelievable.
Ha! I started watching at halftime...
I hadn't seen the Chargers in a while, but... a lot is said about Norv, but Rivers looks done. Or if not quite done, at least a shadow of his former self. His arm is gone and on top of that he keeps throwing off his back foot. He didn't throw a ball more than 10 yards without getting intercepted until the game was over. And that's not even getting into bad decisions.
FO posters are a peacock. You got to let us fly!
Rivers is a football artist. He might be Robert Maplethorp, but you can't deny that his work speaks to people.
What would be the title of this work of art?
Ode to Delhomme: A Performance in Periwinkle?
So long as he's Robert Mapplethorpe, I think it might be more like "Nude Kosar strolling through a field of thorns wondering how the heck he got there and what he was supposed to there in the first place."
I did notice that there was a lot of back foot action from Rivers tonight. I have some significant trouble reconciling tonight's performance with the guy that Rivers was even two years ago. I haven't watched much of the chargers this year, so I don't really have a basis of comparison but man... He just looked worn out in the second half. It's sad to see that much talent get NORVed. The Chargers (in my very biased and not noticeably informed opinion) have wasted some good careers in addition to being very unlucky with O-line longevity.
Yup, worn out. And when the announcer said he had seven kids, I knew why that was. I don't know how many high performance athletes have seven kids. My guess is, not many.
Rollercoaster? More like one of those freefall rides, where you go up 200 feet...and then come down.
Could anyone hear/lipread what Peyton was telling the ref after the drive where the Eric Decker pass got called back for OPI? He looked maaaad.
Probably that the WR didn't even touch the DB, except in more colorful words.
This just turned into Broncos porn. Nothing... nothing! excites me more than Phillip Rivers throwing picks.
Same old Chargers. Talented, undisciplined, can be counted on to blow games that they should easily win.
I disagree; I thought they were clearly lucky (with the special teams blooper reel, Eric Decker phantom banana peel, and the pick-6) to be where they were, and the Broncos were clearly the better team.
Even if you've lucked your way into a 24-0 halftime lead, it's a feat of notable ineptitude to fail to be able to protect it, even against a superior team. Even the best teams rarely score 70 points, which is the kind of pace the Broncos set it the second half, with, no doubt, a lot of help from San Diego.
Every time I post it triggers the spam filter and, for the life of me, I can't figure out why, unless it's a problem with my user name again.
Upon further review, perhaps it's my email address?
Michael (troycapitated polamalizer)
Trying to post now that I changed my email address associated with the account...
Ah, yes, that was the problem.
Ugh. I just read some comments on a mainstream sports site... Does anyone have any brainfloss?
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