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23 Oct 2011

Week 7 Game Discussion Thread

Here is your place to discuss all Week 7 NFL games as they happen!

Posted by: Aaron Schatz on 23 Oct 2011

66 replies , Last at 25 Oct 2011, 3:11pm by tuluse

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 1:24pm

Solomon Wilcots discribes Tebows 1-2 record as "right around .500". 10 seconds later he claims that Tebow "has good fundamentals". I don't think I will be able to take this for an entire game, let alone a season.

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 2:05pm

Maybe I'm looking for it now, but this is insane: "I think Tebow has potential to become much more than a running quaterback, I mean the energy he brings to the huddle. I think champ Bailey said it best...".

Justifying his claim of passing potential with "energy in the huddle" and citing a guy who is never even in the huddle as evidence.

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by Marko :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 2:08pm

Roy Williams gives a tribute to Stonehenge by displaying his stone hands.

Edit: And a few minutes later, he makes a nice catch and powers his way to the end zone for his first TD as a Bear.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 2:08pm

The Lions throw a redzone fade, the reciever inexplicably stops after five yards, so Brent Grimes is alone in the endzone with a lob-pass and drops three points.

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by CoachDave :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 2:18pm

Just me again...commenting for the 50th time in the last 2 years how screwed over the Lions get by the officials.

/Not a Lions fan

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Marko :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 2:23pm

Please explain for those of us not watching that game.

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 2:25pm

I agree. However it might just be a part of what you sign up for in this day and age when you design your team around a dominant passrush.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by GB (not verified) :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 2:38pm

Not watching the game, but it looks as though the refs are flagging both teams like crazy. It's ridiculous to have a game where almost 40% of the total yardage is penalties.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 3:00pm

Tebow's supoosed to throw a good deep ball, right? I've seen three different passes where he missed guys by five yards.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 3:12pm

The Bucs cannot stop outside runs at all.

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 3:15pm

Man oh man. Getting spanked by the winless Matt Moore show. If the Broncos stick with Tebow, they'll be be on the clock when the playoffs starts.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Marko :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 3:27pm

Yes, but if that's the case, then the Broncos actually win.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Marko :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 3:44pm

The Bears are up by 16 points. There is less than 14 minutes to go. Tampa Bay cannot move the ball with any consistency. The Bears took over after an interception deep in their own territory. Matt Forte has 128 yards rushing, and the Bears as a team have 164 yards rushing.

So of course Martz calls an idiotic pass on first down. Incomplete. So I think "OK, now they will run the ball." Instead, they throw another idiotic pass that is picked off. Tampa Bay is about to score a TD and if they get the 2 point conversion, it will be a one possession game, even though the Bears have completely dominated this game.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 3:54pm

This game is strange, I feel like the Bears have totally dominated as you said, but a few fluke plays have kept the Bucs in it.

Also, Conte seems pretty good.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 3:57pm

Chris Harris had extremely late recognition on that TD, like he didn't even see the receiver on that side until it was too late.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 4:07pm

So apart from one bad drop, Roy Williams has been... what's the word? Good. I find this confusing.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 4:08pm

Tebow IS a goalline nightmare. All the Broncos have to do to get the tying two-point conversion is spread the field and run a QB-draw. Dolphins not even close to stopping the obvious play.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by JonFrum :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 6:17pm

The bright side: the gross ineptitude of the Dolphin's staff gives my team two wins. The less bright side: the gross ineptitude of the Dolphin's staff gives EVERYONE wins.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Independent George :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 4:17pm

It didn't result in a sack, but Julius Peppers just destroyed the LT on a bull rush. Freeman escapes when Peppers trips over the prostrate lineman.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 4:24pm

DJ Williams stripsacks Matt Moore, the Broncos come up with it and the crownd goes absolutely wild!

The game is in Miami. I tell you, there's no overestimating the Tebow-brand.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by DEW (not verified) :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 4:29pm

What drives me crazy (as a Dolphins fan, but also as a Tebow hater) is the *way* it happened. Tebow sucked epically until there were 5:23 left in the game, then TD-onside-TD to overtime, and then the long FG to win. If he'd thrown for 300 and run for 75 I could have said, "Hey, he played well and beat us." But this way--it's not football, it's a fragging Hollywood narrative.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Marko :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 4:38pm

But in 15 years, you will look back on this game with a smile on your face if you end up with Luck.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by DEW (not verified) :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 4:46pm

The last time the 'Fins had a decent QB, he was the sixth one drafted that year. Sorry, I'll believe in Luck the instant I see him on the football field playing well (mind you, it's getting quite obvious that I'll be *cheering* for him come next fall). And frankly, I don't want to see my favorite team star as the extras in "The Tim Tebow Legend." The way that game played out was quite possibly the most frustrating thing in the world; it couldn't have worked out better for sportswriters if it had been scripted.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by bcornell :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 6:55pm

As expected, ESPN leads with "For the first 54 minutes of the game, it appeared that the doubters were right about Tim Tebow..."

Yeah, mea culpa. The guy 'just wins'.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 4:28pm

Broncos win on a 52-yard field goal. This suck-for-Luck thing is messing with my head: I'm actually feeling a bit bummed after an ugly win like that.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 5:17pm

How can an intentional kick in the crotch be at 15 yard personal foul, when an intentional punch to the crotch is an ejection?

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by JoeHova :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 5:27pm

It is foot ball, to be fair.

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by tunesmith :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 3:58am

win. obvious, but win.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 5:43pm

The Packers had a delay of game with 10 seconds left in the first half. I'm probably wrong, but I thought offensive penalties inside the 2 minute warning had a 10 second runoff.

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by Eddo :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 5:47pm

Only if the clock was running when the penalty was committed.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 6:12pm

Ok, that makes sense.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Marko :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 7:05pm

Also, not all penalties in that situation would require a runoff even if the clock were running. For example, holding would not require a runoff. It has to be a penalty like false start or illegal formation.

And even if it had been a penalty that could require a runoff, the Packers still had one timeout. That means that they could have (and obviously would have) chosen to use the timeout to avoid a runoff. The rationale for the runoff penalty is that teams shouldn't be able to stop the clock by snapping the ball while not being set, while lined up improperly, etc. But if you have a timeout, that rationale doesn't apply, as you could have called timeout to stop the clock.

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by DEW (not verified) :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 5:48pm

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Raiders should have started Palmer. ^_^

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 6:21pm

Or McFadden... Lechler even...

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by bcornell :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 6:35pm

Pick 6 thrown by Palmer. As awful as he looks, Kyle Boller has established himself as the single worst QB in the NFL. He can't even hand off properly.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Dr. Mooch :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 7:21pm

Good Lord, 8 INTs, 0 TDs passing in this game. Is this possibly the worst QB'd game of all time? Combined line 30 of 65 for 338, for a QB rating of 22.6 and 5.2 yards per attempt. Wow.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Lance :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 9:12pm

Remember when moving kick-offs back 5 yards was going to destroy the game?

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by BJR :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 9:32pm

Surely this is a perfect opportunity for the Saints to give Chase Daniel some significant playing time. They only have to look across the sideline tonight to realise the necessity of keeping their main man healthy, and giving some exposure to their backup.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Jonadan :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 7:16am

To be fair, I don't think Painter's the Colts' biggest problem right now. On the whole he seems to fit the "serviceable backup" mold quite neatly.

It's just that they don't have anything else, either.

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"When you absolutely don't know what to do any more, then it's time to panic." - Johann van der Wiel

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by InTheBoilerRoom :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 10:05am

The Saints offense had already put up 55 points when Painter threw his only interception. As Jonadan stated, Painter has been a serviceable backup. The Colts are awful in so many ways, starting with every single thing about their defense. It has truly been a team effort.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by BJR :: Sun, 10/23/2011 - 9:36pm

Michaels and Collinsworth have given up on this game and have started telling us Jimmy Graham's life story.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 12:30am

The Chargers really looked hapless at the end of their game vs. the Jets. With 1:20 on the clock, they
(a) burn 20 seconds walking to the line of scrimmage and getting a new play
(b) gain 3 yards on 1st down, burning another 20 seconds
(c) gain 3 yards on 2nd down, ditto
(d) make an incompletion on 3rd down
(e) On a 4th down play, Rivers throws it out of bounds.

I don't think Rivers has enough self-awareness to understand just how stupid he is. With that amount of time on the clock, Manning, Brady, Brees, or Rodgers could drive the length of the field and throw a TD pass.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Lance :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 8:49am

Yeah. their two minute drill was horrible. I don't know if this is Norv or what, but I'm surprised that they didn't have like 2 plays called in the huddle, and that the receivers didn't knock down the ball when they have to know they're a) only getting 3 yards, and b) have a defender on them to make the quick tackle.

It was really dreadful: and the 4th down pass out of bounds doesn't make sense.

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by Nathan :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 2:43pm

Part of me thinks the true sign of professionalism is in the 2 minute drill. I first started thinking it after Matt Cassel ran a 2 minute drill against the Jets back when he played for the Pats (I think it was the one that ended in the Randy Moss laying out on the sideline EZ toe-tap catch) that was the cleanest 2 minute drill I've ever seen. It was just shocking how well-oiled it was, everything about it. The play calls, the routes, the offensive line getting back on the ball. I remember just thinking of all the starting quarterbacks in the league that wouldn't have been able to execute a drill that well and that it just must boil down to attention to detail by the coaching staff and devotion of practice time to situational football.

Last week when Brady ran that drill vs the Cowboys I got like 5 text messages from various friends (most of whom are Eagles fans) saying stuff like "Wow. Your team is really good", "Beautiful drive" and "Ugh, the Eagles NEVER look like this."

I guess I'm spoiled as a Pats fan, but yeah... watching some teams mangle their 2 minute drills is really puzzling and looks so sloppy.

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by Lance :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 8:25pm

Well, the Eagles under Reid/McNabb have had something of a reputation for poor clock management and the 2 minute drill. Most teams run at least a reasonable end-of-half drill; that the Patriots do shouldn't be all that shocking ("Wow-- that Lexus really is a nice car!"). But with a talent like Rivers, one might expect SD to have at least the ability to do so. I know Norv takes a lot of heat, but he was the OC for the Cowboys during their heyday-- he must have had some idea for how a firing-on-all-cylinders offense works, no?

Granted, the Great 90's Cowboys weren't known for those sort of comebacks, but still-- I never recall them really blowing it like SD did during this game. So strange.

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by QQ (not verified) :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 9:23am

With Balt vs Jax as the Monday night game, this week seriously has the potential as the worst Combination of Prime Time Football Games Ever.

Speaking of Bal, as good as their Defense is it is stunning how weak the Offenses are of almost every team on their schedule. The schedules for AFC North Team's might be the easiest in NFL history in regards to having to play Terrible Offenses Every Week. It'll be funny to see in the Offseason analysts talking about the Great Defensive teams in the AFC North when much of it is a product of their schedule. Here is Baltimore's remaining Schedule of Offense's they play against:

1)@ Jax-Brutal Offense
2)vs Ari-Kolb has been Pretty Brutal
3)@Pitt-Decent Offense but not spectacular
4)@Sea-Brutal Offense
5)vs Cincy-Weak Offense
6)vs SF-Mediocre Offense at Best
7)@Clev-Brutal Offense
8)vs Indy-Anemic Offense
9)@SD-Pretty Good Offense
10)vs Clev-Brutal Offense
11)@Cincy-Weak Offense

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Jerry :: Tue, 10/25/2011 - 3:10am

To be fair, people have been talking about great defenses in Pittsburgh and Baltimore for years. In the last seven years, both defenses have always been top ten DVOA, with the Steelers out of the top five twice and the Ravens once. If they look even better this season because of their opponents, it still won't be a matter of people mistaking a fortuitous schedule for a good unit.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Lance :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 8:15pm

It's 20 minutes to game time on MNF, and the stadium is virtually empty. It's been a long time since I've attended a live NFL game, but in those limited experiences (including a Dallas at Minnesota MNF game perhaps 15 years ago) I recall the stadiums being much fuller much earlier.

I've forgotten how the system for determining MNF games works. This matchup-- even preseason-- is not one that the casual fan is going to find interesting. NYJ v. SD would have had more overall interest, and before we learned of Manning's injury, last night's game also would have been thought of as a winner. Did ESPN just draw the short straw for week 8?

Unrelated: Is Tom Jackson sick? He looks much thinner and his clothes are hanging off of him. Perhaps he's doing some radical diet, or he's doing the lap band?

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by tuluse :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 8:38pm

I believe FOX and CBS both get to protect a number of games which would appear on their channels, then NBC gets to choose the game they want for SNF and then Disney chooses the game they want.

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by Lance :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 8:39pm

So MNF gets last pick??

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by tuluse :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 8:49pm

I think so, but it's not like they get the only game left, they still have a choice.

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by Lance :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 8:51pm

OK. Well I'd be curious how the whole process works. I know that it's easy to determine who plays whom each year, so I can imagine that the networks can go through and pick the match-ups they want. But it's hard to imagine (without knowing more) that this sort of matchup (Jacksonville?!) could end up on MNF....

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Lance :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 8:43pm

A follow-up on the stadium: it filled up nicely, but it's certainly not full. I don't know how many purchased seats are no-shows, but it's still a lot (for NFL standards) of empty seats....

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Marko :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 9:10pm

I wonder what Jay Cutler thinks about that fumble by MJD.

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by B :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 10:12pm

Good lord this game is terrible. Whoever set the MNF schedule this year should be tried at the Hague.

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by Marko :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 10:16pm

It's so bad that the guys in the booth aren't even paying attention. They are yammering on about the Jaguars not challenging the ruling that Ed Reed did not touch the ball on the punt because the Ravens recovered anyway. They neglect to mention an even more important reason for not challenging the ruling: The Jaguars cannot challenge it because they are out of timeouts.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 11:28pm

If the Jags pull this off, will it be a record for upset according to DVOA differential (either ordinally or by score?) The Ravens were #1 in DVOA last week and the Jags were #30.

I'm glad I don't gamble on this stuff.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Moridin :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 11:35pm

Not sure I've ever heard an injury report call a guy's return questionable while the camera is focused on the guy coming back in to play.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by QQ (not verified) :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 11:47pm

How come Balt's center is like 1 yard ahead of every other O Linemen when they lineup? I thought the guards had to be on the line o scrimmage too

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Moridin :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 11:47pm

What the hell is this? Baltimore decided the Tebow route is desirable? I'm going to be very disappointed if after watching this travesty they actually pull this out.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by RickD :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 11:49pm

Billy Cundiff tries to kick an onside kick, but the ball never reaches the 45 yard line.

Whoops.

Never seen a kick-off that failed to go 10 yards before.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by andrew :: Tue, 10/25/2011 - 8:04am

it was pretty close to being perfect.

I've seen one that didn't go 10 by accident... kicker slipped when he planted.

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by tuluse :: Tue, 10/25/2011 - 3:11pm

I've seen a lot of on side attempts that haven't gone 10 yard. It used to be a penalty and the kicking would get another shot.

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by Anonymousunregistered (not verified) :: Mon, 10/24/2011 - 11:57pm

Carl Cheffers and crew are terrible.

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Re: Week 7 Game Discussion Thread
by Moridin :: Tue, 10/25/2011 - 12:01am

Well, that's that. An INT to end the night for the Balt O is far more fitting tonight than flirting with a chance to win.

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