Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:01pm

I will say for Cutler that he is at least willing to throw to Hester when he's open now. Early in the season, he seemed to be avoiding Hester even if he was wide open.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:08pm

Muahaha! Cutler throws another pick. He's thrown two interceptions and fumbled twice today. More and more, it appears that the 5 fumbles last year were a fluke. He had 11 the year before and 8 as a rookie who only started 5 games.

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:22pm

I excused Cutler all of last year, and I will not stop. Of course INTs and fumbles are bad. But when you're playing from behind (and have been doing so since high school), it's on you to make something happen. That means holding on to footballs and forcing throwns into tight coverage. Of course he shouldn't do so, but it's a natural consequence of playing from behind and having a lot of armstrenght...

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by Jimmy :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:50pm

The second pick was amost effectively a punt on fourth down. I am not saying I neccesarily aprove or like the play call but I would hate to see a QB dink and dunk when you are way, way down. That is even worse than than throwing picks in an attempt to come back. Cutler hasn't been very good but this one is on the defense.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:13pm

Funky play by the Falcons. Both Gonzalez and White run outs to the right side of the field. Gonzalez, the underneath receiver, has the pass graze his finger tips and then White catches it, doing a nice tap dance on the sideline. My guess is Gonzalez ran the wrong route. Three plays later, the Falcons punch it in to make the game 17-14 Dallas.

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by BroncosGuy (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:16pm

Its the third quarter of the Raiders-Jets game and I'm praying CBS can dig up a copy of "Heidi".

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:23pm

Great job!

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:14pm

I think it would be nice if everyone stopped singing the annoying Subway "$5 foot long" song.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:17pm

I love how the song annoys everyone and so Subway says, "Hey--then let's make a whole campaign about how much everyone loves the song!"

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by Mr Shush :: Mon, 10/26/2009 - 7:54am

They'll be laughing out of the other side of their face after the Franchise Wars, when all restaurants are Taco Bell.

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by coboney :: Mon, 10/26/2009 - 11:14am

And you sir are mr. 500

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by funtime42 :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:15pm

And the agony of the Jets/Oakland game continues, but at least it isn't the 7-2 Bills/Panthers game. Baseball scores aren't allowed past halftime.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:19pm

What, that's not game 6 of the ALCS?

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:15pm

I still have the two blowouts. *Sigh* How does this happen? Do they hate us in Minnesota?

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by MurphyZero :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:21pm

Minnesota? This year, yes, yes we do.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:22pm

Hey, if I'd known he was going to follow me, I would have gone elsewhere.

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by funtime42 :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:22pm

They like you enough not to show you Detroit - good timing on their bye week...

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:23pm

I think the only "competitive" game available for CBS is BUF-CAR, which is masquerading as a baseball game. I'm a little surprised FOX isn't willing to switch folks to ATL-DAL or NO-MIA. But, I don't claim to understand how the broadcast rules work, what with primary and secondary TV markets.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:19pm

With the sudden resurgence of the Bengals, do we have to start saying Carson Palmer was a better player than we realized?

We need something to talk about. Or I do. Neither of these games is even entertaining.

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:27pm

I don't know if he's better than we thought - I've always considered him elite. But he IS very very good. Plus he's healthy, has very good recievers and appearently good protection, for a change.

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by Still Alive (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:31pm

Well conventional wisdom for a season or two immediately preceding his injury was that he was the third best QB in the league. It does take people a while to fully recover from knee injuries as well.

He certainly is one of the better QBs, but it is so hard to eliminate other factors it is hard to say what that means exactly. I would take him over Romo/Eli etc. for whatever that is worth.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:35pm

Hmm. I didn't think he was thought of on quite that level before his injury, but obviously at least two others think he was. Well, I thought he was something of a product of Johnson/Houshmandzadeh, truthfully. I was wrong.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:21pm

Ochocinco's "samba" looked more like taking a couple of small steps.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:25pm

The announcers in Chi-Cin are talking about college football out of sheer boredom.
Switched channels to see Sanchez take a nasty shot on the ground.

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by funtime42 :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:26pm

I'll need to follow up this completely unresearched statement with facts, I guess, but I think Hester contributed more yardage and points on special teams than on offense. He was a lot more exciting, too.

And we picked Cutler again!

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:30pm

You mean today? From what I can see he has not had a return at all yet and he has 88 yards receiving.

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by funtime42 :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:40pm

I meant career - he was terrifying when he was a return man.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:59pm

Ah, yes. Then you're probably right.

He has 3732 punt/kick return yards so far and 1298 yards from scrimmage (only his first year didn't have an appreciable number in yards from scrimmage, too).

Now, if we adjust to something approaching replacement level (which I'm crudely estimating as being ranked above 25% of the league's team averages--it wouldn't work for a real study, but for a quick discussion point it's okay.), he has +77 yards on kickoffs (.81 per return) and +525 yards on punts (4.04 per return). Meanwhile, as a WR for the last 3 years, he has 80 YAR (no need for defensive adjustment since we're talking about the same opponents. So, you at least have an argument.

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by Jimmy :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:09pm

That argument assumes the Bears have replacement level KR, PRs and WRs. They have very good KRs and PRs and crap WRs so put that in your calculating machine aswell.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:16pm

Quite true. I would bet that my figure is quite overestimating replacement level for the returns. But again, I was just adding something up for a five-minute little talking point--nothing very serious.

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by Jimmy :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:06pm

If you are planning on doing the research I would be interested to see what the result was. I think you are wrong, having watched him play every game of his career. Yes, in his first two seasons he was lethal but in his third year teams just stopped kicking to him on punts and early in the season on kickoffs too. The problem got so extreme on kicks that every kick was a squib to the wedge, so the Bears put a lot of smaller more agile players in the wedge. This reduced the effectiveness of the blocking scheme pretty badly and teams started kicking to Hester knowing the blocking was going to be crap but when they put a proper wedge back in opponents just kicked to it. The Bears still get good field position with Manning or Knox returning kicks and the odd big play too. Getting nothing but squibs really messed with the Bears return units and now Hester is perceived as too valuable to the offense to have him returning kicks and punts.

As for punt returns, teams take extra care to avoid giving him any room. They take short high punts and punts out of bounds over squeezing the most field position out of every snap. It was especially ridiculous last year when almost every punt was a pooch intended to bounce and roll. My basic point is that teams weren't just going to keep booming the ball downfield to him and give him a chance to score so he was never going to keep up scoring six or seven TDs a year on specials.

Furthermore he is starting to really blossom as a WR. He has great hands and is just as fast and elusive on offense as he was on specials. His route running is getting close to where it needs to be and he is getting open on short, intermediate and deep routes (if anything it is his deep routes that are his weak point). He gets safety coverage over the top almost all of the time and for my mind it is only a matter of time before he starts to produce at a top level. The Bears might have problems (today's game would indicate this quite strongly) but making Hester into a WR isn't one of them.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:31pm

Ochocinco is going to be great in DYAR this week--11 targets, 10 catches, 118 yards, 2 TD.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:33pm

Has done any celebrating? Will the league be confiscating part of his paycheck?

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:37pm

The first TD he didn't do anything. The second he did his "samba," which amounted to taking about three small steps looking at his feet. So, he SHOULDN'T be getting part of his check confiscated. We can't expect the NFL to be logical, though.

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:34pm

Brilliant play by a member of the Miami secondary - ripping the ball out of the hands of Colston, denying him the TD. Touchback.

Btw: The Saints have had an average of 11.5 yards to go on third down so far today.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:39pm

83-3 between these two games now. The Raiders' and Bears' defenses look like they just cannot even be bothered to show up.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:43pm

Are the Bengals trying to show that the Patriots aren't the only team who can score 59 points? Or, are the Bears trying to show that the Titans aren't the only team who can give up 59 points? There is still a long time to go in that 45-3 beat down.

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by funtime42 :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:45pm

It is currently 350 - 111 (counting the Bears' recent score). That's parity...

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:50pm

Did Jeff Fischer ship half of his defense off to each team to try and get them some OJT during the bye? If so, he probably should have kept them at home.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:40pm

These numbers may not be quite right, but I think Roy Williams has been targeted 5 times for 1 completion, 2 drops, and 2 QB misses.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:03pm

Roy Williams is not long for the NFL. Miles Austin has taken his job.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:11pm

So, the Cowboys gave up this year's first, third, and sixth-round picks plus next year's seventh-round pick and at least $20 million to get Roy Williams from Detroit. That's looking like a great deal, not.

Miles Austin had a great game against Atlanta.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:42pm

Steve Smith (Car) has 99 yards. However, Delhomme has thrown 2 interceptions. With the team rapidly falling out of the race, is Delhomme really going to keep his job?

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by Calig23 :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:45pm

Man, Gus Johnson can make any game seem like the greatest game ever.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:47pm

Dallas has extended their lead to 27-14. I'm embarrassed to admit that even though the game is competitive, I don't have a lot to say about it. There doesn't seem to be any rhythm to the game at all. Dallas definitely looks like their "good" team today and Romo is having a nice day. The Falcons have only shown the occasional flash of brilliance. Otherwise, they've seemed rather pedestrian today.

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by funtime42 :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:50pm

And I may not read a word of mainstream coverage after digesting TMQ. The Minnesota QB crap will exceed the MJ funeral by about 15:1.

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by Calig23 :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:52pm

Heh. The Panthers force Buffalo to punt with 5 minutes left, and the return man muffs it and the Bills recover.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:53pm

Crayton returns a punt for a TD. I don't think he was touched by any Falcons defender. The Cowboys have pulled away, 34-14. TMQ probably just wrote "Game Over" in his notebook.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 6:56pm

I see it's the two minute warning in the NYJ-OAK "contest" and Oakland is still incubating the goose egg. Do they have a chance to score.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:10pm

So, the Jets win 38-0. I wonder what Raiderjoe's BAC is right now.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:11pm

It may be an ABC instead.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:00pm

Jenkins (Cowboys) launches himself headfirst at Booker (Falcons), goes helmet-to-helmet with at least 2 zebras watching the play. Result: zero flags. It doesn't get more blatant than that and it looks like Booker is hurt. Further, the zebras rule Booker fumbled and Jenkins picked it up and ran it back for an apparent TD. Falcons challenge and it's overturned.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:02pm

Caleb Hanie sighting!

(Bears' backup QB) Yeah, I didn't know who he was either and he went to college just about a half hour from where I did.

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by Jimmy :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:11pm

Did he look any good? (I had reached my masochistic viewing limit)

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:13pm

Not in the least. He looked like the kind of guy who can remind you why people like Ryan Fitzpatrick keep getting jobs.

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by funtime42 :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:03pm

Collinsworth just said nothing was the Minnesota QB's fault today and that Hail Mary interceptions shouldn't count. Maybe I'll just hit the mute button now.

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by Dave :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:40pm

I kind of agree about the Hail Maries... but Viking QB didn't throw any of those INTs, did he?

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by Dan :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:07pm

Marvin Lewis is nuts. 36 carries for Benson and they keep giving it to him. Obviously Benson wants to be in there against the Bears, but if you're the coach it's your job to take him out.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:09pm

They just said that Scott, his backup, is injured. I would think you would have another back you could put in there, but that at least somewhat explains it.

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by Oldcat (not verified) :: Mon, 10/26/2009 - 12:06am

Our #3 back didn't even dress today due to Injury
And our Fullback was also hurt. We used a DT at fullback on Benson's TD. And he has a tender knee himself.

So the well was pretty dry. Good time for a Bye.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:08pm

Oh boy--now I can see Cowboys-Falcons!

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by Grouchy Bills Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:09pm

Wow, 9 interceptions in two weeks for the Bills defense. And this week, Ryan Fitzpatrick even hit 50% completion rate! Why am I still grouchy? Oh right, the Bills still suck, just not enough to get a decent draft pick. Again. Sigh.

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by Ambientdonkey :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:09pm

I wonder if Marvin Lewis is aware that he is 5-2 and that he might need his starting running back later in the year.

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by B :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:09pm

The Saints/Phins game is outstanding. Both teams are playing great, and despite the score, the defenses on both teams are looking great. The Saints have managed to close the gap, and are now only down three.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:11pm

A**hole.

Don't brag about the game you get to see!

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by B :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:15pm

And John Carney missed an extra point! And now there are two cheerleaders making out with eachother....
This post brought to you by DirecTV and NFL Sunday Ticket.

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by Herm? (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:16pm

Did Carney miss that XP on purpose?

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:18pm

C'mon FOX, switch everyone over to NO-MIA. Everything else is over.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:23pm

Does Troy Aikman have some clause in his contract that obligates FOX to televise Cowboys games to :00 so Aikman has the most opportunities to pay homage to the greatness of the Cowboys, Jerry Jones, and Wade Phillips?

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:24pm

Woohoo! It's actually going to the only good game of the afternoon!

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:25pm

Finally. Game on! The Saints have taken the lead 37-34 with 6:03 to go.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:25pm

Wow, Henne has had a downright awful game.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:30pm

Ick. Should we say he "pulled a Russell"?

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:43pm

Whoa there--I said it was downright awful. I wasn't going that bad. Plus, I don't think such a phrase can be used on a rookie--we expect it of them. It's when you've been in the league 2 and 3 years and STILL do that . . .

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:46pm

Okay. I can live with that.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:26pm

Did a Saint just take out Reggie Bush from behind?

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by B :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:29pm

Yea, it was Pierre Thomas, the other Saints Running Back.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:31pm

No, it was David Thomas, a WR (#85)

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:27pm

Bush just got tackled by his teammate Thomas after Bush neatly breaks a tackle on the sideline to get the 1st down. Saints threatening.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:29pm

Miami's gameplan was to get ahead and then not score anymore, apparently.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:32pm

I'm going to have to find out which NFL Replay broadcast this game will be and record it. NO extends their lead to 40-34 with 3:23 to go.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:33pm

I was just typing "What's going on with Ted Ginn?" and he drops a VERY easy catch.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:40pm

Was that really a forward pass? It looked more like a lateral to me. It did look like the Dolphins player threw the ball out of bounds on purpose. Then, playing "I suck worse than you do", Ricky Williams drops an easy pass to take the heat off Ginn. Continuing in sucktitude mode, the center false starts and Henne overthrows a wide open receiver. It's now 4th and 13 with 2:06 to go. Will the Dolphins convert or wilt?
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Mega wilt: an illegal shift which is declined as Henne throws a pass up for grabs and it's a pick 6. What a collapse.

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by B :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:48pm

It looked like the ball went forward to me. That being said, if it was a lateral, woudln't it be delay of game, as he intentionally threw the ball out of bounds.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:53pm

Yes, I think it would still be a penalty. The illegal forward pass was the worst outcome because that penalty had loss of down besides the yardage lost.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:59pm

I just caught the highlight of this play on ESPN. The side line official threw his bean bag, like it's a fumble. Anyway, I think it was a lateral. Not that it matters, now.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:40pm

Well, New Orleans probably just put this game away. It must have been a great game, though.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:45pm

Well, the Saints want to make it interesting. The KO is out of bounds. Miami has the ball with 1:53 down 46-34.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:57pm

Miami played atrocious football that last 1:53. From clock management, to play calling, to execution, they couldn't have been much worse.

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by Dave :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:47pm

Tony Romo, when asked about his injury, deflects by saying "you know, I did just break up with a girl recently..." I have to admit, that made me laugh.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:47pm

So, with New Orleans, Denver, and Indianapolis now the only undefeated teams, who is the most impressive to this point in the season?

I think you can make a case for any of them, so I'm really just wondering what everyone thinks.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:51pm

I think Denver has to be most impressive, especially given the conventional wisdom that they were going to finish as the worst team in the league. I'd rank NO #2 because I think there were doubts about there defense. It's harder to make a case for Indy, because haven't they been doing this for about the last 5 or 6 years?

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by B :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:51pm

The Saints are the most impressive, especially with their dismantling of the Giants last weekend.

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by Dave :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:54pm

Depends on what impresses you, I guess. I think the Broncos are the weakest of the three, but I'm very impressed with their play, especially given that like many others, I expected them to be terrible.

I think if the Colts fire on all cylinders and are healthy, they're probably the best. But right now the Saints are the best, because the Colts still have work to do (which is what makes them scary). The Saints remind me a bit of the 04 Colts, in that they have a ridiculous offense and a D just bad enough to give up the points to let the QB ring up stats, but just good enough to also take the ball away 4 times in a game. Their game last week against the Giants still stands out though, and I think is enough to make them the most impressive overall.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:57pm

I think Denver would be my pick (go ahead and cry homer at me) because they have played (and this is based entirely on my opinion, no DVOA or anything--that would possibly change my mind--especially since New Orleans played the Eagles) a tougher slate than either of the others so far. The Saints' win over the Giants is obviously the most impressive single win, but I think I'd go with Denver overall. That said, I was scared of New Orleans and Indy coming into the season and Denver is definitely the one I'm least confident in.

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by Herm? (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:06pm

I can't answer which is best, but Indy looks like they keep getting better. I'd like to see how they do down the road if they're more challenged...as in winning games it has no business winning. New Orleans had no business winning today and pulled it off. Denver probably had little business beating New England, although they were at home.

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by B :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:18pm

I feel that New Orleans is the most complete of the three, Denver has the best defense, and the Colts passing attack is ahead of the Saints, but the Saints are good on offense and defense, and their special teams is, well, usually it's good. As for Denver, I'm really curious to see if their revamped defense works against the Colts, as they've traditionaly had the Broncos number.

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by Dave :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:50pm

Not that it matters at this point, but Ginn just dropped another catchable ball in the end zone.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:51pm

Ted Ginn Jr.=Troy Williamson 2.0

CAPTCHA: pass receptor

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 7:50pm

Ginn was covered well, but Henne still put the pass in there.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:04pm

Thank God for the baseball game so I have something to do for 15 minutes. As much as I dislike Joe Buck and Tim McCarver, I dislike most of the "Football Night in America" cast more.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:08pm

Agreed--and now I see Eric Karros--one of my favorite guys growing up. I'm a Dodger fan--we didn't have a baseball team anywhere within about 10 hours until I was 10.

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by Dave :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:17pm

I liked Karros as a player too, but just now he and Grace as desk guys made me shake my head with their absolutely ridiculous analysis about CC not starting tonight. According to Grace, Pettitte getting bombed in Game 6 of the 01 WS against his team is somehow relevant and indicates that Pettitte will suck tonight.

Karros wasn't as dumb, but he did indicate that momentum is most important and that Sabathia would just end the momentum... no mention of the fact that they're perfectly confident in him to do that tomorrow if necessary, but that a guy like Pettitte gives them a chance to let CC pitch game 1 of the series.

I've been flipping back and forth because I don't actually mind Harrison and of course enjoy Dungy. I did get a kick out of them reliving the Helmet Catch right there with Harrison. He and Dungy talked about the play for a bit after a good interview with Peyton about it. I enjoyed that segment. Peyton mentioned that Eli very nearly tossed it to an ineligible receiver (Snee) before breaking free, and Tony pointed out Cary running in to blow it dead, theorizing that if it hadn't been the Super Bowl, he would've blown the whistle. Harrison actually let his own man to get over there as close as he did, as Tyree was only open because Asante Samuel gave up on him. Interesting stuff all around.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:21pm

Is there actually a baseball player who has become a good analyst? I can't come up with one. There are some I would think would be (including my absolute favorite player as a kid, Brett Butler), but none come to mind.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:27pm

I don't know, either. But, I've stopped following baseball for the most part. The only former player analysts I can think of are Joe Morgan (he's god awful) and John Kruk (meh).

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:22pm

Thanks for sharing that story about the Super Bowl. That was very interesting.

I can't stand to watch because Olberman makes my skin crawl. I've seen a few clips of Rodney Harrison commenting and I think he has been very good. Surprisingly so, to me.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:28pm

I just hate Dungy so much that I'm unwilling to watch him.

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by Dave :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:31pm

Really? Why?

I admit that I have several strong reasons to be biased in his favor, but I can't think of any reason why anyone other than the most obvious Patriot homer/Colt hater would hate the guy. The only thing objectionable about him in my mind is that he's actually too nice.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:37pm

First, I always thought he was an awful coach. I really think his teams consistently underachieved. There's no way to prove that, but it's what I always thought.

Second, well, the second reason really doesn't belong here. Suffice to say I think he promotes many awful things. No need to go into a discussion of that here

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by Dave :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:56pm

I know what you're getting at. Having met him on several occasions, I tend to think that it's simply his religious beliefs being more traditional rather than him being deliberately hateful. I think things got a bit blown out of proportion given the context. Nobody is perfect and I try to be somewhat forgiving of even the most ridiculous religious beliefs as long as one isn't too preachy. In his case, it's not like he was going around running his mouth pushing an agenda. I understand where you're coming from, of course; I just think it's probably not promotion of many as much as it's begrudging endorsement of one controversial thing. But I could be wrong. I try to avoid those types of discussions because I'm not passionate about any of that stuff.

When Vanderjagt ran his mouth off 7 or 8 years ago I actually agreed with him, even if he was out of line to say that. But I think there are certain teams that need guys like him, and his even keel worked very well. In his last two-three years he got a bit more aggressive, likely at Peyton's urging, and I thought even more of him as a coach.

I also think there is something to be said for a coach who can make it so that players are actually afraid to disappoint him and are embarrassed by poor play, without ever raising his voice or yelling. It's not exactly common in the NFL.

That said, there are a few other reasons I and others weren't sad to see him go when he did. Caldwell combines the best of Dungy with just enough of an edge to keep things rolling right along.

And I'll agree with anyone who says that it's not especially difficult to coach a team led by the greatest QB of all time (non-Elway division, in your case).

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by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:05pm

"e, it's not like he was going around running his mouth pushing an agenda."

Thats pretty much exactly what he does when hes campaigning for hate groups.

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by Dave :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:26pm

Oh, you are still here. I should've known that would lure you out of your cage.

Just shut up. He wasn't campaigning at all. The man is a religious loon, but not at all a hateful person.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:17pm

Two frivolous thoughts on the "Sunday Night Football" intro. When John Madden was the analyst, the verse went "Al and John are the best on TV". Now, with Cris Collinsworth, the verse is "Al and Cris having fun on TV". I wonder how much that's stuck in Cris's craw?

I still really like Faith Hill's outfit.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:27pm

Even more frivolous responses.
I'm frightened that you remember the lyrics to the old song.
I don't like her outfit. I don't like her. I don't like her voice. I don't like that they borrow a great song and then ruin the guitar riff that it's built on (and oddly, considering that they're having a country singer sing it, don't push it toward the original Arrows recording). I vote they hire Sharon den Adel next time and do something more aggressive. She puts Faith Hill to shame in all respects.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:35pm

Wow! I think you're holding back on me a little here. Tell me what you really think.

Sorry if I poked a nerve. I think she's attractive and I do like the outfit. I'm ambivalent about the song and her voice. I don't know if I'm familiar with the original song. I don't recognize the group. Since I stopped paying attention to the current music scene about 15 years ago, this may not be a surprise.

I only remember the lyric because I thought it was arrogant to claim they were the best on TV, regardless if the claim was accurate.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:45pm

Sorry--I didn't intend that to sound angry, I was largely joking.
I agree that she's attractive--I still don't like the outfit. Now I made a mistake and started talking about the Arrows and that's the wrong song. It's based on "I Hate Myself for Loving You," which was originally Joan Jett & the Blackhearts (and was an original, as opposed to "I Love Rock 'N Roll," which was a cover of a song by the Arrows in 1975) and released in 1988.

It's not really frightening that you remember the lyric--you probably heard it every week for an entire football season. That was entirely a joke--sorry if I sounded angry or any such.

By the way, being put to shame by Sharon den Adel is not an insult, either: http://data1.blog.de/blog/m/mydarkplace/img/Sharon_den_Adel.jpg
And she sounds better than she looks.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:51pm

No apology necessary.

I'm embarrassed I didn't recognize the song. I do remember "I Hate Myself for Loving You", but it has been a long time since I've heard it.

Thanks for the link to Sharon den Adel. She must be an incredible singer.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:57pm

I have an odd affinity for/recognition of music from the first 7 years of my life.

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by Jimmy :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:53pm

Is the Sunday Night Football intro music anything like the Monday Night Football into? Because I don't know who that pretend cowboy who does the awful rap(ish) bit on MNF is but I want him dead.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:10pm

No, the intro music is completely different. Hank Williams, Jr., has been doing the "Are You Ready for Some Football" gig for MNF for a long time, going back to when ABC had MNF. I kind of like the song, but I don't like most of the choreography accompanying the song. I like the flying helmet bit at the end.

I think "Are You Ready For Some Football" is a hard-driving, country/rock hybrid, not rap. But, that's just my opinion. As for Hank himself, I believe he's a highly regarded country artist. I'm not a country fan, so I could be mistaken on this. I'd be willing to bet if you told him he was a fake cowboy, he might try to introduce his boot to your butt (or worse).

The SNF music, according to "The Guy You Don't Want to Hear" is the song "I Hate Myself for Loving You" by Joan Jett and the Black Hearts. Obviously, they wrote new lyrics for it.

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by Jimmy :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:23pm

Has the guy ever driven cattle or rounded up sheep or done anything that would make you a cowboy other than wearing the hat and boots?

If not he is not a cowboy and even if he wants to dress like one it would not give him sufficient reason to 'take his boot to my butt (or worse)'. Especially if '(or worse)' involves anything brokeback related ;)

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:28pm

He was born into great wealth and fame since his father is one of the absolute biggest country stars ever. I can't imagine he ever had to do any such things. Doesn't mean he wouldn't take his boot to your butt anyway.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:36pm

I don't know if he's a cowboy by your definition. I suspect not.

And, no, I was not going brokeback on you. I was thinking more boot to the face, but didn't know if he could kick that high. I suspect he thinks he's a cowboy, that's all.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:50pm

Brandon Jacobs catches a pass!

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by B :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:52pm

Eli picked off in the end-zone! The same way Brees was picked off by the Dolphins, too.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:53pm

That was an incredible interception by Rodgers-Cromartie. He just wanted it more and he had great position on Hixon.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:14pm

After seeing the replay, maybe Rodgers-Cromartie didn't have as good of position as I thought. It looks like the pass was slightly under thrown, which gave Rodgers-Cromartie a chance to make a play, which he did.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:03pm

I like the little personnel boxes that come up in SNF--Why aren't they anywhere else?

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:05pm

Great play by both Manning and Manningham--Rodgers-Cromartie had no idea anything was happening and then the ball was in Manningham's hands.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:08pm

Earlier, Collinsworth said that getting Arizona to jump offside on third down was why Eli Manning is so good on third down. This time, he commits delay of game. I think Collinsworth jinxed him.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:16pm

Horrible pass by Warner on that Thomas pick. Giants threatening after a nice Jacobs run.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:18pm

Giants capitalize on the Warner mistake as Jacobs bulldozes his way into the end zone. Giants 7, Cardinals 0.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:23pm

Warner just doesn't look good.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:30pm

The Giants apparently think they're special teams are too good. First, Dockery decides to block a Cardinal nearly into his return man and has the punt hit him the back. Luckily, for the Giants, the ball rolls out of bounds. Then, the Cardinals hold the Giants, who punt. The punt gives new meaning to the word "shank".

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:32pm

They're making sure they don't surpass the Eagles in the DVOA rankings.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:40pm

Well played, sir!

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:43pm

I didn't need to see the footage of the Boldin injury in 2008 again.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:45pm

Agreed.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:45pm

"The road to easy street goes through the dump." John Madden

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by jayinalaska :: Mon, 10/26/2009 - 12:17am

It's been 2 1/2 hours since NBC shared this pearl of wisdom with me and I still don't know what it means. Ah, well.

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by B :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:46pm

"The road to easy street goes through the dump?" I sure am glad Madden is a football guy, and not a city planner, cause that would be the worst city design ever.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:48pm

Well, can you imagine what would be going on on "Easy Street?" It wouldn't exactly be high class.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:49pm

Yet another deflection TD--why are there so many of those this year? Or is it my imagination that there are lots compared to the past?

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:54pm

I haven't noticed an unusual number of deflection TDs, but then I'm the guy who can't see the mustard in the refrigerator door.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:56pm

Well, my Broncos have had 2. I suppose that's why it seems like there have been a lot.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:51pm

The circus comes to the Meadowlands! Manning throws a pass over the middle, apparently to Manningham, Rodgers-Cromartie tips the pass high in the air, and Nicks catches the deflection and runs it in for a TD. In poker, that would be a bad beat down.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:55pm

Collinsworth is praising Wells for his incredible stiff-arm but in that clip I would have said that was a face mask. Am I way off base?

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by Rocco :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:58pm

RBs are allowed to face-mask on stiff arms for some reason. It's one of the vagaries of life.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:58pm

Sorry, I missed the play you're referring to. It's my understanding that as long as the ball carrier keeps his hand open, then he can push against the defender's face mask. If the hand closes, then it's a face mask. Of course, this begs the question of when is the hand closed.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:00pm

It looked to me like he hand a grip on the Giants player's facemask. However, I do realize that running backs are almost never called for facemasks on stiffarms. It was just because they went back and showed it in slow motion and Collinsworth is drooling about what a job Wells did that it struck me.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 9:58pm

Well, I would say that in the first half it seems like the Giants should be up by more than 4.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:33pm

Maybe, but in the second half they're behaving as if that is a crime. Or, they're really worried that not doing enough to prop up the Eagles' DVOA.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:36pm

Maybe that's Aaron can't figure out why DVOA is in love with the Eagles. The entire league is in a conspiracy to make DVOA look bad.

Call Oliver Stone!

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:21pm

Beanie Wells thinks he's Tecmo Bo.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:24pm

Or, has forgotten he's not playing for tOSU anymore.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:34pm

tOSU really confused me for a minute.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:42pm

Sorry 'bout that. Their football alumni always make a big deal about stressing the word "The" in "The Ohio State University". Maybe I should write the acroym as tOSU, since I'm mocking them.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:44pm

I actually knew that. One of the rare college football things I know. That and you should never count on a player from my college (The University of Colorado)--though one later became a good Supreme Court justice.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:32pm

DVOA says the Giants have normally been above average this year--why is Feagles so bad tonight? Is there wind that we just aren't seeing on tv or what?

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:36pm

I don't think there's any wind. I think Feagle's just having a really bad day. It happens.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:47pm

Warner actually makes a good play to avoid a fumble--weird. And then a very nice play on a screen to get the TD and suddenly Arizona is looking like the likely winner.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:49pm

It looks like the Cardinals made some nice adjustments at half time. They have played a very nice 3rd quarter to go up 24-14 on the Giants. Let's see if the Giants can get out of their funk.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:52pm

Should Collinsworth be cracking other teams signals and snap counts on television?

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:54pm

Why not? Isn't it the teams' problem to hide them?

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by Rocco :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:55pm

Probably. I just can't stand Collinsworth and would criticize him if he cured cancer.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:56pm

Well, he does need to show he's good at something.

Seriously, I don't think he said anything all the other teams, except maybe the Raiders, Lions, Rams, Chiefs, Buccaneers, Redskins, or Browns, haven't already figured out.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:52pm

I don't agree with that roughing the passer call.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:57pm

Al Michaels just said, "Alex Smith has taken over as [the 49ers'] quarterback." Is that really a foregone conclusion? That phrase suggests he would be the starting quarterback for the foreseeable future.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:05pm

My quick search of the internet shows Singletary wouldn't name next week's starter.

Here's the link: http://www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_13640489

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:07pm

Okay. Thanks. It sounded like Michaels was pretty much saying that it was an obvious logical guarantee.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:05pm

Manningham pulls a Ginn.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:08pm

And Arizona is missing 1/2 of its starting secondary (the better 1/2) now: Wilson and Rogers-Cromartie. This could end up being an ugly end of the game for them.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:11pm

I'm not sure Wilson is out. I got the impression he was dealing with cramps. Was it something else?

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:15pm

I'm not sure. I just heard Al Michaels say he was out, honestly. I was about 1/3 of the way paying attention, 2/3 reading. I don't normally watch the night games for this reason. I decided to hang around because I don't have a lot of reading tonight and I'm hoping we can make it to 500. I doubt it, but it's possible.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:18pm

Yeah, I don't think we'll get to 500 tonight, but there's still tomorrow's game.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:21pm

Well, there's no chance of me being here for that (I only regularly watch two TV shows, but they have deviously scheduled them both during MNF this year), so I'll help while I can.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:23pm

Wilson's back in the game.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:15pm

Would it be wrong of me to use Jimmy Football to try and re-create Wan-Hu's rocketry experiment from around 1500?

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:16pm

Yes. It wouldn't take him out of the atmosphere.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:20pm

I would be satisfied if he disappeared like Wan-Hu.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:23pm

But he might just have landed somewhere else, becoming another group of people's problem. That's rude to them. Better to make sure he is off the planet.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:30pm

You're right. We shouldn't ask some other group to pick up and dispose of his pieces.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:25pm

Bradshaw actually has a great run that ends in a fumble.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:27pm

Fantastic series for the Giants on defense to force the Cardinals to punt quickly.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:28pm

That's another "launch myself into the other player's head" that didn't draw a flag. Did the zebras not get the memo? Amazing.

Right after the uncalled penalty, Bradshaw fumbles trying to get some extra yardage. The Giants D steps up again and forces a Cardinals 3 and out. Giants have the ball with 2:52 to and all three times out. Can they get the tying TD?

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:30pm

Both defenses are playing really well at the end.

Bradshaw gets an unnecessary roughness near his own endzone but I guess if you're going to commit it, when it's a one-yard penalty is the best time . . .

Still, he just punched someone in the facemask--idiocy.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:33pm

I thought throwing a punch was an automatic ejection. How is he still in the game?

After acting like they didn't want to win the game, Manning hits Smith to get the Giants away from their end zone.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:36pm

If it's not an automatic ejection, it should be.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:32pm

Wow. Great pass from Manning to Steve Smith. Is Smith the only guy they have who can catch, by the way?

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:35pm

It sure looks that way.

Michaels just said Wilson is out with cramping.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:34pm

Nicks and Smith seem to be the only ones who get the ball if Manning has to move around at all. Are they better at getting open, or is he just more confident in them or what?

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:38pm

Well, they sure seem to be getting open better than Manningham, so that could be it. I don't see the Giants with enough consistency to know who Manning favors.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:38pm

Well, here's a good game to make up for the late blowouts, I guess.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:40pm

Antrelle Rolle makes a really good catch for the pick, but it's also an awful decision by Eli Manning (and now of course Collinsworth says the same thing) throwing into double coverage.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:42pm

A pity "bad Eli" came out for those last two pass plays. He got away with it the first time, but that was a great pick by Rolle on the second pass. He should never have thrown those passes.

So, the Cardinal's are 3-0 on the road this year. They were fairly impressive tonight. I have to ask if the Giants are who we thought they were? They feasted on cup cakes to start the year, but now have lost two straight to good teams.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:46pm

I'm not even sure the Cardinals are a good team. New Orleans is a borderline juggernaut, so I'm not sure that hurts them. And I do think Dallas is better than people are giving them credit for. The Giants may not be an elite team, and I think a lot of people thought they were, but I still wouldn't hesitate to put them in the second tier (below the undefeateds) with the likes of the Vikings.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:51pm

Oh, I think the Cardinals are a good team. They're not an elite team.

I suppose my question about the Giants was semi-rhetorical. I did think they would beat the Cardials tonight. I'm glad I don't bet for a living. Next week's Giants-Eagles game just got a lot more interesting, especially if the Eagles beat the Redskins tomorrow night. Which they should.

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Re: Week 7 Open Discussion Thread
by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:55pm

You know you shouldn't say that about the Eagles. They are a mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma. Even DVOA cannot fathom them.

And now off I go. I expect you guys to get this over 500 tomorrow night. It's certainly close enough.

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Re: Week 7 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Mon, 10/26/2009 - 12:02am

Well, I hope the Eagles win. Otherwise, I think Tanier's head might finally explode and I don't want to be deprived of Walkthrough.

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Re: Week 7 Open Discussion Thread
by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:43pm

Giants no longer dominating the NFC East. Arizona taking control of NFC West. However, we'll always have [Vikings QB] and Cutler's performances to remember the week by. And make some of us smile.

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Re: Week 7 Open Discussion Thread
by wr (not verified) :: Mon, 10/26/2009 - 12:33am

Re Maimi-NO : I thought that Sprarano may have handed the game to the Saints
when he called that "icing" timeout at :05 of the second quarter, because it gave
Brees the chance to talk Payton into going for the TD. How do others feel?

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Re: Week 7 Open Discussion Thread
by andrew :: Mon, 10/26/2009 - 8:32am

I don't think that was "icing". I think they were trying to get their kick block team out there. I mean, cmon like you're gonna block a FG from the half yard line. Just line up normal defense and let them kick it.

Another note - if the official had correctly called the ball short of the end zone initially, time probably expires before the Saints can either attempt a FG or go for the TD.

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Saints chances of going undefeated
by andrew :: Mon, 10/26/2009 - 8:35am

I looked at their remaining schedule, and there are only two tough games on it.

Their road games are incredibly weak, including games at winless Tampa and St. Louis, a game at the disfunctional Redskins and a game at Carolina.

The only road game vs. a team with a winning record is at Atlanta.

Their home games also include the Falcons, a bunch of creampuffs and one potential trouble spot vs. the Patriots.

Other than the Patriots game and the one at Atlanta, I don't see any potential trouble spots (barring injuries). And even in those two games i think they'll be favored.

They are now on pace for over 634 points.

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Re: Week 7 Open Discussion Thread
by Shane S. (not verified) :: Mon, 10/26/2009 - 8:57pm

So I turn on the tv, and...the Eagles run three times in a row? What in the wide, wide world of sports is going on here

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Re: Week 7 Open Discussion Thread
by Zheng :: Mon, 10/26/2009 - 9:12pm

What happened to Westbrook? They're cracking down on streaming video here at the office, so all I have is gamecast's "Westbrook injured on the play".

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Re: Week 7 Open Discussion Thread
by The Powers That Be :: Mon, 10/26/2009 - 9:16pm

Westbrook took a knee to the head and was down on the field a long time. Probably a concussion.

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Re: Week 7 Open Discussion Thread
by Zheng :: Mon, 10/26/2009 - 9:19pm

Well... at least it's not his knees this time.

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Re: Week 7 Open Discussion Thread
by sldfkjsfls (not verified) :: Mon, 10/26/2009 - 10:05pm

Skins are going to be getting an apology letter from the NFL for that non-call of a very obvious, very late hit out of bounds that none of the officials managed to see.

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Re: Week 7 Open Discussion Thread
by dmb :: Mon, 10/26/2009 - 10:18pm

Well, at least one of them noticed that something happened, since a flag came in late ... but then they picked it up.

To be fair, the contact was made while the runner was still in bounds, but I think the defender made a pretty clear effort to add a little extra force on their way down.

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Re: Week 7 Open Discussion Thread
by Shane S. (not verified) :: Mon, 10/26/2009 - 10:49pm

I watched part of a Dolphins game a couple weeks ago, and they block a lot better on their wildcat or direct snap to running back (or whatever it's called nowadays) plays than the Eagles are doing tonight.

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Re: Week 7 Open Discussion Thread
by Shane S. (not verified) :: Mon, 10/26/2009 - 11:26pm

Good lord, no sense of urgency from the Redskins here...

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Re: Week 7 Open Discussion Thread
by Shane S. (not verified) :: Mon, 10/26/2009 - 11:39pm

If this follows the form of the previous 58 minutes, the eagles will have a big defensive play to stop washington here...

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Re: Week 7 Open Discussion Thread
by Shane S. (not verified) :: Mon, 10/26/2009 - 11:42pm

or not.

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