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27 Oct 2012

Week 8 Open Discussion Thread

Here's your thread for all of Week 8's footed ball action. Talk amongst yourselves.

Posted by: Rivers McCown on 27 Oct 2012

193 replies , Last at 02 Nov 2012, 8:50am by Bevepeervet

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by Paul M (not verified) :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 5:20pm

Anyone want to rival my Packers for injury issues?

Starting ILB-- Desmond Bishop-- out for season
His Replacement-- DJ Smith-- out for season
Starting Safety-- Charles Woodson-- out for 4-6 weeks
Starting Cornerback-- Sam Shields-- out for 2 weeks and counting
Rookie OLB-- Nick Perry-- ditto
Starting WR-- Greg Jennings-- out for at least 8-10 weeks all told
Starting RB-- Cedric Benson-- out for 8-10 weeks

And oh by the way, Jordy Nelson has a hamstring and hasn't practiced the past couple of days and Jermichael Finley has a shoulder injury that is restricting his play. Another defensive back-- Devon House-- was hurt for a month and has just returned. Our #2 TE-- Andrew Quarless-- has been out the first 7 weeks. As has another OLB-- Frank Zombo. It's 2010 all over again-- but maybe that's not so bad.

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by tuluse :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 5:25pm

That's pretty brutal. The Bears have been pretty lucky, with just some receivers missing time and none of them named Brandon Marshal.

Peppers is dealing with Planar Fasciitis, which has kept his snaps limited, but he's seemed like his same great self when on the field.

And Forte missed a game and half, which might have hurt against the Packers (hard to tell if he could have sparked the offense an then maybe Cutler doesn't melt down), but hasn't hurt their winning chances other than that.

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by andrew :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 5:57pm

but apart from Bishop and Smith... they'll all be back for the playoff run.

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by Marko :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 9:01pm

As you said at the end, it seems like 2010 again, which is pretty good for the Packers. Also, if the season ended today, the top two seeds would be the same as in 2010: Falcons #1, Bears #2. The way it is shaking out now, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a repeat of the 2010 NFC Championship Game: Green Bay at Chicago. Of course, there is a lot of football left to be played and a lot can change. Even if things don't change substantially and we get a repeat of that game, hopefully the result will be different.

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 9:15pm

I think the Packers situation this years a little different than 2010. They have better depth at all 3 levels of the defense and the receiving corps is more experienced. They should be fine, even with starters on IR.

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by RickD :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 9:26pm

I'd say the Ravens have you beat.
Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs, and Haloti Ngata are all on the injury list this week. Ray Lewis and Ladarius Webb aren't on the list, but that's because they're both gone for the season.

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 10:12pm

Arguably the jets have it worse too. Holmes and Revis out for the year along with 3 others on IR. You know its truly bad when you're playing a RB at DB.

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by Purds :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 5:52pm

No way. My Colts have it worst of all -- they could put almost the whole team on IR, and it wouldn't matter because none of them are very good.

... muddling through a 7-9 season, not good enough to get excited nor bad enough to get a good draft pick.

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by Noah of Arkadia :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 11:03am

What about the Dolphins? Hartline was out ALL of preseason and now Daniel Thomas and Richard Marshall are out for a week or two. They stink, though. Then there was that guy at guard, Artie Hicks, but I don't remember if he got injured or they cut him.

Nah, I guess the Packers do have it worse. And the Ravens. And the Jets. And the...

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 8:05pm

And Cee-Lo ruins a Ramones song by replacing the lyrics with "football-related" words he probably was handed by the same guy who wrote Jerry Jones' "pizza rap". I blame Roger Goodell.

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 8:44pm

"U-G-L-Y You ain't got no alibi."
-Mike Mayock, Professional Announcer

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by DragonPie (not verified) :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 8:49pm

So, I go and look up the DVOA for the Vikings and the Bucs and see that their offenses and defenses are just about the same, but Minnesota is one of the best teams on special teams and Tampa Bay is one of the worse.

Since I don't have NFL network I follow the play by play and watch what they'll show me on NFL.com.

Anyhow, I don't know what happened with that 20 yard punt, but it'd be funny if Minnesota lost because it was outplayed on special teams.

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 8:58pm

Vikings 3rd consecutive 3-and-out almost bailed out by a muffed punt. Loadholt looks awful, like a bear that's been trained to dance but has no sense of rhythm because he's a bear.

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by Marko :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 9:04pm

Vikings offense looks awful. We'll see if Ponder can play from behind. I have my doubts based on what I've seen of the Vikings this year.

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 9:09pm

Ponders not the only problem, as Jerome Simpson fumbles to wipe out some nice runs from A.P. with a minute and a half left in 1st quarter. Minny could be in for a long half.

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 9:27pm

Nice toss to Percy Harvin for a TD. Gregg Easterbrook erases the words "game over" from his notebook.

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 9:05pm

Schiano learned from last week's failure to score from the 1 and calls play action, TD Bucs.

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by Marko :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 9:07pm

Ponder finally completes a pass, and Simpson fumbles and the Bucs recover.

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 9:21pm

Underwood from Tampa Bay has an awesome high-top fade.

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by RickD :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 9:29pm

Josh Freeman is going to see Brian Robinson in his nightmares. Must...throw...higher....

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 9:33pm

Are you psychic? 3rd batted pass for him so far.
*never mind - I forgot I rewound to see that last TD and never got back to Live*

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by RickD :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 9:37pm

(chortle)

I predict Adrian Peterson will fumble...

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by Marko :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 9:43pm

Rewind it again. I predict you will see Ronde Barber force a fumble from Adrian Peterson. The Bucs will recover in Vikings territory. The Bucs will drive inside the 5 yard line. They will call timeout on third and goal from the 3 yard line. Then Josh Freeman will throw a TD pass on a fade route to Mike Williams, who will make a great catch and just get his feet down in bounds.

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by RickD :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 9:36pm

Ronde Barber creates fumbles as well as his brother used to.

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 9:39pm

+1
BTW I enjoyed reading AP's lips on the sidelines.

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 9:45pm

I'm surprised Freeman got that TD pass off. I'm not surprised that LaGarrette Blount has not been involved in goalline situations for Tampa.

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 9:51pm

Who was supposed to block that guy? Ponder just got lit up.
Gregg Easterbrook writes "game over" in his notebook.
Ponder throws deep to Simpson, who makes a nice catch
Gregg Easterbrook erases the words "game over" from his notebook.

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by Marko :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 9:57pm

Pretty sure that Easterbrook doesn't tell us when he writes "game over" but it turns out it wasn't over. For example, he probably wrote "game over" shortly before halftime of Den-SD a few weeks ago.

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 10:03pm

He doesn't tell us but I like to imagine he writes it down and erases it 15-20 times a game.

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by Marko :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 10:06pm

That's why his know-it-all attitude is annoying. It's easy to say "I knew this would happen" after it already happened. Just like predicting plays we've already seen!

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by CraigoMc (not verified) :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 1:29pm

My favorite Easterbrook Dunning-Kruger moment was his contrarian take on the 3-4 defense, when he noted that 4-3 teams had won 2 of the last 4 Super Bowls. He didn't say who had won the other two.

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by Marko :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 9:53pm

Seeing that commercial for "Chris Spielman: A Football Life" made me want to see the upcoming "A Football Life" shows for Brian Bosworth, Ryan Leaf, Todd Marinovich and JaMarcus Russell.

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 10:01pm

Doug Martin is having a great half. I don't care he didn't convert that last 3rd down, that was still a hell of an effort. 100+ yards already, I'm impressed.

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by Marko :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 10:02pm

Why do the Vikings insist on throwing the ball in this situation? They did the same thing at the end of the first half this past Sunday, resulting in an interception by Arizona and a subsequent makeable field goal attempt. (Luckily for them, Feely missed.) They almost had another interception here. Not smart.

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by JohnD (not verified) :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 10:15pm

Speaking of inexplicable decisions, did anyone ever figure out why Arians called a timeout with :01 left in the 1st half against the Browns? Very nearly cost them points.

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 10:18pm

He knew he couldn't use it in the second half but didn't know he doesn't have to use all three?

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by Ben :: Fri, 10/26/2012 - 1:53pm

After the game, he claimed he wanted to call it with more time left, but there was some confusion and it didn't get called until :01 left. Since it was 4th down, he wanted to force the Browns to punt and give the Colts a chance at a block.

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by RickD :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 10:19pm

Given that the Vikings probably have the toughest schedule in the NFL after this week, their poor performance tonight does not bode well for their playoff hopes.

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by Marko :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 10:20pm

Gregg Easterbrook just wrote "Game over" in his notebook again. This time I think he is right.

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by RickD :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 10:38pm

Another erasure.

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 10:44pm

This could get interesting.

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 10:47pm

Or not.

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by RickD :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 10:48pm

A fight could be interesting.

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by RickD :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 10:47pm

The Vikings have plenty of time to win this game even if they rely on their ground game and don't pass much.
(hint, hint)

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by BJR :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 10:52pm

Why did it take so long for that play-clock to start after the personal fouls?

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by RickD :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 10:52pm

Poking Jared Allen with a stick may have been a mistake.

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 10:55pm

Jared Allen and some OL get into it, crowd gets jacked and MIN forces a second consecutive punt after Allen gets home on Freeman. If MIN could get anything done on Offense this could be a game again.

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by Independent George :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 10:55pm

Then the offense screws it up.

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 11:01pm

At least Minnesota's D isn't mailing it in anymore. Too bad they gave up 30 points before deciding to play with this kind of energy.

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by BJR :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 11:05pm

They're getting some help with some ridiculously conservative playing calling from Tampa. Two straight runs into the line from Blount on 1st and 2nd down just now.

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by Ender (not verified) :: Thu, 10/25/2012 - 11:24pm

This isn't a big surprise, the Vikings have one of the worst 5-2 teams in NFL history going into this game.

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by QCIC (not verified) :: Fri, 10/26/2012 - 10:48am

I don't know about that, but they were not strong. The offense, Ponder especially, was extremely suspect.

A slightly above average defense, great running game, and terrible passing game won't get you far in 2012.

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by DragonPie (not verified) :: Sat, 10/27/2012 - 2:25pm

Baltimore this year has a worse DVOA at 5-2.

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by andrew :: Fri, 10/26/2012 - 2:42pm

Chris Cook apparently broke his arm (not wrist) when he tried to tackle Martin. 7-8 weeks recovery time, and going on IR.

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by BJR :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 11:10am

Not great planning scheduling the London NFL game up against one of the biggest English Premier League games of the season.

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by DisplacedPackerFan :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 11:38am

I heard about this elsewhere, and it's my understanding that the London game has been on the schedule for a few years now (all the London games were schedule pretty much right after the CBA was signed at least date and kick off just not always team), and that the English Premier League is actually who scheduled a game for around the same time. Though I thought that game should be mostly over by the time the NFL game kicks off since I thought Chelsea v Man U was a 15:00 London time start and the NE v STL was a 17:00 London start time.

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by BJR :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 11:54am

Chelsea v Man U is a 16:00 kick off.

I guess its just unfortunate really, compounded by the fact that the clocks went back in the UK last night a week ahead of the US, so for this week only the early slate of games starts at 17:00 UK time rather than 18:00.

Still, given the whole point of the exercise is to attract new fans in the UK (and soccer fans are probably top of the list of profile of people they would be targeting) I would have thought that the NFL might have pushed kick-off back an hour to avoid a direct clash. Although I guess that might play havoc with the US TV schedules.

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by Insancipitory :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 1:06pm

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by CraigoMc (not verified) :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 1:32pm

God those Steelers uniforms are ugly.

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by DRohan :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 1:43pm

Totally agree. And the sad thing is that it's still the best throwback uni they've ever worn.

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by DRohan :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 1:43pm

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by JohnD (not verified) :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 1:35pm

Field goal at the 1 yard line? So much for the new bolder, braver Arians we saw last week.

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by Insancipitory :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 1:53pm

Good news Lions fan, looks like the beatings will continue until moral improves.

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by LionInAZ :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 3:22pm

A little premature, eh?

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by Insancipitory :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 3:40pm

AutoHawks are just trying to keep it dramatic. I'd prefer they beat the Lions 52 to -3, but Pete Carroll didn't call and ask for my input.

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by LionInAZ :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 4:10pm

Well, there's nothing like losing in the final minute of play to amp up the drama!

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by Insancipitory :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 4:20pm

Look, if they asked I would have told them to win 52 to -3. F trying to get on NFL network's game of the week. F it right in the A.

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by CraigoMc (not verified) :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 2:03pm

Wow, the Skins try a flea-flicker to Griffin downfield. Griffin gets called for OPI and takes a hit on the same play.

Because what he really needs is more opportunities for defenses to take shots at him.

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by CraigoMc (not verified) :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 2:04pm

Bah, I did it again. Option pass to Griffin.

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by CraigoMc (not verified) :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 2:15pm

And the drops fairy, having graced the Steelers last week, is now favoring the Skins.

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by justanothersteve :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 2:08pm

I will say the Bears black (probably navy blue) and orange uniforms this week are the coolest looking Halloween color uniforms. While I'd never wear a Bears jersey, I really love the look. Way better than the Steelers bee prison uniform.

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by BigCheese :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 2:15pm

Outside of the Chargers' Baby Blues, it's BY FAR the best-looking throwback in the NFL.

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by jonnyblazin :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 2:23pm

Man the Redskins WRs are garbage.

And good lord is Billick stupid. He can't even count time outs and figure out that the Skins could just kneel out the clock. How the Ravens continued to post winning seasons with this moron in charge is beyond me.

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by BigCheese :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 2:27pm

Because as an "offensive genius," he stayed out of the way of the defense which, if it could overcome Trent Dilfer, it could overcome Billick's incompetence focused mostly on the other side of the ball.

- Alvaro

Phil Simms is to analysts what Ryan Leaf is to NFL QBs

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by BigCheese :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 2:32pm

So far Cam Newton has coughed up the ball twice (once trying to get into the end-zone) and thrown a pick to Jennings while trying to throw it away to avoid a sack. The difference witht he Lions game, other than Ctuler being sacked twice on every offensive series, being that the Panthers have recovered their fumbles, including in the end.-zone for a TD. But man, is Newton playing HORRIBLY.

- Alvaro

Phil Simms is to analysts what Ryan Leaf is to NFL QBs

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by BigCheese :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 2:34pm

Oh yeah. And with that second fumble lost, Cutler has turned it over 3 times. That's factored in as well. So yeah, Cutler's playing terribly as well. But the fumble luck is definitely the difference here (Panthers have recovered every single fumble in the game).

- Alvaro

Phil Simms is to analysts what Ryan Leaf is to NFL QBs

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by JohnD (not verified) :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 2:33pm

Vinatieri's 400th field goal denied, blocked by the Titans, nearly run back for a TD.

Just keep telling myself: rebuilding year. Rebuilding year.

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by PatsFan :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 2:35pm

Brandon Fletcher has DPId Deion Branch three times, all pretty blatant. That can't say good things about his ability if he needs to PI to stay with Branch.

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by PatsFan :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 2:35pm

Brandon Fletcher has DPId Deion Branch three times, all pretty blatant. That can't say good things about his ability if he needs to PI to stay with Branch.

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by PatsFan :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 2:35pm

Brandon Fletcher has DPId Deion Branch three times, all pretty blatant. That can't say good things about his ability if he needs to PI to stay with Branch.

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by Purds :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 5:51pm

I like the triple post -- once for each DPI.

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by jonnyblazin :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 2:36pm

Guy Whimper TD!!!

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 2:45pm

He was a sneaky fantasy pickup this week.

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by BigCheese :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 2:36pm

And feeling that they shouldn't attempt a 51-yard FG on the last play of the half, the Panthers send out Newton who does a great job getting the ball through the uprights. Unfortunately for him, FGs only count if they come from a kick, not a horrible pass.

- Alvaro

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by Nevis (not verified) :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 2:49pm

The Jaguars sacked Aaron Rodgers at the end of the 1st half and the ball came loose. The officials ruled a fumble and the replay confirmed it. It sure looked like a Tuck Rule incomplete pass to me. Am I remembering the rule wrong?

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 2:53pm

The replay they showed after the ruling was confirmed showed it was a pretty clear fumble. Rodgers brought it back down and had it with both hands bracing for the sack and then it was stripped.

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by Nathan :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 2:57pm

So much for the hand-wringing about Brandon LLoyd. Pats continue to scheme to get him the ball deep and he has 2 TDs on the day.

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by BigCheese :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 2:59pm

TWO???? Of course I benched him in both leagues I own him this week...

- Alvaro

Phil Simms is to analysts what Ryan Leaf is to NFL QBs

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by Nathan :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 3:02pm

Yeah one on what looked to be a blown coverage on a corner route and one on a slant where he beat his man inside. They also ran a fake screen to Welker that was designed to hit him deep but the Rams didn't bite, and Brady under threw a deep shot that he had to play DB on.

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by DRohan :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 3:09pm

WTF! The Steelers should start fining players $10 grand for special teams penalties.

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by evenchunkiermonkey :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 3:27pm

James Starks needs to play more, Alex Green needs to play less. GB vs JAC is uglier than GB vs SEA was. Same score after that missed FG too.

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by Nathan :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 3:43pm

Brady's arm was never anything to write home about but he really doesn't have the arm strength to make throws off his back foot at all anymore. He has to be able to step into passes to complete anything other than a touch pass

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by CraigoMc (not verified) :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 3:45pm

I know I mentioned the Skins' drops earlier, but Fox seems to have a very expansive definition of the term. Half the "drops" they showed in their montage were balls knocked away by defenders. Hey Billick - if the DB actually has his hand on the ball before the WR, it's probably not fair to call it a drop.

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by CraigoMc (not verified) :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 3:47pm

DeAngelo Hall ejected after arguing with an official for no apparent reason.

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by RickD :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 11:15pm

Radio guys said that Hall had been illegal hit by a cut block and the refs missed it.

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by BigCheese :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 3:47pm

Bears elect to kick a FG on 3rd and 5 in the red-zone down 12. OF COURSE it's a miss.

But then, three and out, followed by a 6-yard punt, followed by a Chicago TD, and as I type this, Tim Jennings socres on an INT return (The man MUST be 1st-team All-Pro this year, and is actually makign a case for finishing second to JJ Watt in DPotY), and Chicago is no on top. Wow!

- Alvaro

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by BigCheese :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 3:49pm

Bears go for 2 FROM A FREAKING EMPTY BACKFIELD! And of course, it's picked off. But it does cement Robbie Gould's place as this week's Loser League Kicker.

- Alvaro

Phil Simms is to analysts what Ryan Leaf is to NFL QBs

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by Jerry F. (not verified) :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 4:12pm

Inexcusable by Lovie to waste that timeout before going for 2. They should have known the situation and had a play ready.

Also really annoyed by the decision to settle for a field goal at the end here without getting every possible yard they can first.

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by Marko :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 7:51pm

I didn't have a problem with the timeout. I think the offense wasn't ready to go on the field (I recall seeing Gabe Carimi running on very late) to go for 2. Yes, it was an obvious situation to go for 2, and if any team should expect a defensive TD and have its offense ready to run on the field, it's the Bears. But they obviously needed extra time to get set up and call a play.

As Alvaro said above, however, I didn't like the empty backfield on the two point attempt. I also didn't like the way many players (including Cutler) were running the other way on the interception "return," apparently thinking the college rule applied on 2 point conversions and not realizing the ball was dead. As Cutler ran back down the field with a convoy of Panthers bearing down on him, I had visions of his thumb injury last year, which came when he was blocked to the ground on a long return of an interception.

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by Jerry F. (not verified) :: Mon, 10/29/2012 - 12:20am

I was fearing the exact same thing (it appears to have supplanted Jim Miller's 2001 playoff injury in these situations). People like to talk a lot about how hard it is for players to turn off their "instincts" from play to play, but I really would have hoped that all those whistles would have sparked a realization in Cutler.

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by BigCheese :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 4:11pm

RObbie Gould redeems himself with a beautiful kick down the middle as time expires for the Chicago victory!

- Alvaro

Phil Simms is to analysts what Ryan Leaf is to NFL QBs

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by JohnD (not verified) :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 4:24pm

Haven't seen it yet, but sounds like Vick Ballard pulled off one heck of an acrobatic leap to win the game for the Colts.

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by JohnD (not verified) :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 4:27pm
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by Ben :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 7:10pm

Can anyone explain the current touchdown rules as regarding the pylons? This play would clearly have been a TD under the old "goal line extends around the world" rule, but I thought that was changed. Does the ball have to cross the goal line inbounds now?

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by Marko :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 7:27pm

I haven't seen the play, but yes, the ball has to cross the goal line inbounds now when the runner/receiver is crossing the goal line with the ball. The "goal line extends around the world" rule was eliminated a few years ago.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 4:31pm

Nice to see Stafford finally put together a good game against a top defense. And I'd like to politely point this game out to people who keep saying that all he can do is throw jump balls to Calvin Johnson.

-I'm not Billy Bad-Ass.

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by LionInAZ :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 5:53pm

Yes, indeed. I think the other storyline here is: Marshawn Lynch 1 carry 77 yds + 11 carries 28 yds. Except for that one run they shut Lynch down and forced Wilson to beat them.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 6:07pm

That long run was inexcusable, but other than that, shutting down Lynch, as well as LeSean McCoy and Matt Forte (also excepting a single long run) the previous two weeks was also quite surprising. Suh and Fairley are showing much better gap discipline and not getting sucked in by traps/whams.

The other storyline is how Young and Broyles stepped up. I'm sorry, Burleson is great locker room leader, but he's no longer a good receiver. He was providing sub-replacement level play and keeping Broyles off the field, which is a travesty in retrospect.

-I'm not Billy Bad-Ass.

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by LionInAZ :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 7:52pm

You may be right about Burleson, but I thought it was the recovery from ACL surgery that kept Broyles off the field until recently. That and being a rookie who had limited participation in preseason.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 8:49pm

First few weeks, yes Broyles wasn't ready, but he was healthy from week 4 onward. May not have made much difference in wins-losses (unless you argue they could have squeezed another touchdown out of the Minnesota game), but it's lost player development time.

-I'm not Billy Bad-Ass.

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by LionInAZ :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 10:33pm

oops, duplicate post.

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by Jimmy :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 4:40pm

I can't believe the Bears won today. The first three quarters or so was the worst I have ever seen a Bears team play. No hyperbole everyone sucked; the Oline couldn't block, the WRs kept dropping passes and Cutler kept hanging onto the ball too long and then fumbling. Dumb penalties, not shedding blocks and poor tacking held back the defense; there were some seriously uncharacteristic missed tackles. I am amazed that they won, they went from shit to gold in two minutes. The Bears deserved to lose this one.

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by TomC :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 5:24pm

Everyone who watched that game agrees with you. Then again, the Panthers didn't deserve to win either. Since you can't give both teams a loss, the most appropriate outcome probably would have been a tie.

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by Jimmy :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 5:41pm

I am only posting because I was/am utterly stunned. HTF did they end up winning that? Stunned. Still.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 5:30pm

Your post describes to a tee every Lions win this year, and at least 5 of them last year.
Just be happy that:
A)It's relatively rare occurence for the Bears
B)The Bears defense is so good it can manufacture wins even when the offense does nothing.

-I'm not Billy Bad-Ass.

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by Marko :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 7:23pm

I agree with the general sentiment, but I have seen them play worse several times. Games that jump to mind immediately include losses in 2009 to Cincinnati (45-10), Arizona (41-21) and Baltimore (31-7), a 2005 loss to Cincinnati (24-7, but it seemed way worse than that) that included Chad Johnson's River Dance TD celebration that mocked Brian Urlacher, and many losses to the Packers and Brett Favre in the 1990s.

This game reminded me of the Seattle game last year, in which the Bears were thoroughly whipped at home by a supposedly inferior opponent. But then they somehow won.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 7:27pm

The worst Bears performance I can remember is the "let's not cover Steve Smith" playoff game. The "they are who we thought they were" game against Arizona was generally horrible too, but like today they were bailed out by the other team's mistakes.

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by Jimmy :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 7:49pm

Yes they might have been beaten worse but what was so bad was the Bears not doing anything right and with no decent excuses; they aren't missing key players and weren't overmatched. The games in 2009 were without Urlacher and the 2005 game was Orton (or Grossman, I can't recall). For three quarters they couldn't do anything and then ALAKAZAM Bears win!

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by tuluse :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 11:42pm

I curious to see how DVOA rates the defense.

Giving up 22 points doesn't seem that bad, it was just bad for what has been a historically good defense this year.

Now the offense being horrific against a bad defense, sigh.

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by TomC :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 8:10pm

I had forgotten about that string of games in 2009. There was another one in Minnesota, if I recall. That defense almost literally couldn't stop anybody. It's kind of remarkable that they've managed to build it back up into a championship-caliber unit, even as Urlacher continues to age.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 4:47pm

Romo just threw an interception on a play which looked completely wrong from the start. It began with what may have been the worst play action fake I've ever seen, Romo faking right as the running back ran left, and of course nobody was fooled so the safety played pass all the way and picked it off.

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by jonnyblazin :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 5:08pm

Man Dallas better make a game of this. Raiders vs. Chiefs is better than watching commercials, but really NFL, is this the best you can do on a late afternoon time slot?

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 5:31pm

This sunday and last sunday is reason #6,437 why I hate baseball. I hated it a little less when the Tigers made it to the world series, but after three games, I hate just as much again.

-I'm not Billy Bad-Ass.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 6:00pm

On the other hand, we're spared Joe Buck for at least a week.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 6:10pm

+1

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by tuluse :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 5:32pm

10 early games, 2 late games. Who makes this schedule? 8/4 would mean more eyes on each game, and more options for viewers.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 5:34pm

Blame Fox for having the world series.

-I'm not Billy Bad-Ass.

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by jonnyblazin :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 5:47pm

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what does a baseball game that starts after 8pm have to do with the football schedule?

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 6:10pm

Don't know all the details/intricacies, but since Joe Buck is doing the World Series, Fox is down one broadcasting crew (Thom Breneman is taking his place). There may be some other issues as well, but I'm not sure.

-I'm not Billy Bad-Ass.

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by LionInAZ :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 5:56pm

Hell, I blame Fox for having the NFC games too!

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 5:34pm

[double post]

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by Alexander :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 5:56pm

This may be a little late. But early in the 2nd Quarter Joe Buck referred to Jason Witten as "future hall of famer". What?

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 5:59pm

Thom Brennaman. Buck's elsewhere, thankfully.

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by Jimmy :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 6:03pm

Witten has been a machine for that team. One of the most productive TEs in history. Not a Dallas fan at all but he is in the conversation for my mind.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 7:09pm

I don't know. Witten's been very good for a long time, but was he ever considered the best or even second best tight end in the league? Maybe the most rounded, but I don't expect that to be enough. From memory, over his career's timespan Gates and Gonzalez are almost certainly going in, Dallas Clark may be ahead of him too, and then it already looks like he might end up behind guys like Rob Gronkowski and Daniel Graham for the latter part of his career. If Gronk and Graham continue to play as they have to this point, I don't think Witten gets a sniff.

That's also just considering tight ends, without beginning to look at who's ahead of him from other positions.

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by BigCheese :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 7:40pm

There is no way that Dallas Clark was a better TE than Witten during hteir overlaping time. Yes, I know that he has better recieving numbers, but he's a WR with a TE designation. Witten was great in the passing game and great blocking.

And while he's my second-favorite Cowboy of all time, behind only Staubach, there's no way he's sniffing the hall.

Gonzalez is a shoo-in, Gates has a case (although I htink he won't make it), and Gronk and Witten need to keep up their play for half a decade AND hope the rest of the TEs of this generation don't raise the level so that they're not that much of an outlier anymore.

- Alvaro

Phil Simms is to analysts what Ryan Leaf is to NFL QBs

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by Nathan :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 7:47pm

He doesn't even have better receiving numbers. Clark has 444 receptions for 5,059 yards and 47 TDs. Witten has 729 receptions for 8,229 yards and 42 TDs and can block. It's not even remotely close.

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by BigCheese :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 7:53pm

Wow. I had no idea. So yeah, Clark over Witten is like saying Tony Romo over Drew Brees.

- Alvaro

Phil Simms is to analysts what Ryan Leaf is to NFL QBs

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 8:00pm

Neither did I. It just seemed like Clark had a big game every time I saw him play.

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by BigCheese :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 7:51pm

Er.. Gronk and Graham...

- Alvaro

Phil Simms is to analysts what Ryan Leaf is to NFL QBs

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by BigCheese :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 7:52pm

Er.. Gronk and Graham...

- Alvaro

Phil Simms is to analysts what Ryan Leaf is to NFL QBs

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by justanothersteve :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 8:41pm

Clark was in two Super Bowls and on the winning side in one. Witten hasn't been in any. That's luck of the draw, but some voters do take that into consideration.

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by Nathan :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 7:42pm

I don't see how you could possibly put Dallas Clark in ahead of Witten. Look at their numbers side by side.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 7:46pm

To be clear, I don't think either will get in. I haven't looked at the numbers for any of the players I mentioned. I think Gonzalez will get in, Gates has a chance, and that's it from Witten's peers.

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by jonnyblazin :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 7:58pm

Comparing Gates and Witten is interesting. They both entered the league in 2003, but Witten was 21 and Gates was 23. To date Witten has more Yards and Receptions, but Gates has a higher YPC and more TDs. But Gates has shown signs of physically breaking down and has definitely slowed a step, whereas Witten seems to be going strong. In 3 or 4 years Witten might be a much better candidate.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 8:06pm

Gates also had a few years where it seemed like he was San Diego's #1 receiver and he was just about unstoppable. For a while, he and Gonzalez were very much considered the #1 and #1a tight ends in the league. (At least on the sports sites I visited at the time; it was before I started reading here.) I don't recall Witten ever being considered to be at that level, though his durability and consistency are very impressive and I've always heard that he's the better blocker of the three.

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by jonnyblazin :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 8:13pm

Right, and HOF voters typically favor guys with super-high peaks rather than long term excellence. But after Art Monk got in, that opens the door to guys like Witten. I'm not sure if I favor the inclusion of "compilers" or not, but I think the precedent has been set to allow those types of players in.

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by Joshua Northey (not verified) :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 8:27pm

HoF candidacy for TEs in the recent past is going Gonzalez/Witten. There is no way Gates's career will look better than Witten's 5 or 10 years from now. It barely does now.

Graham and Gronk is just funny, its not even worth talking about until 4 or 5 more years of elite production from each. Soooooo many players have careers hampered by injury/laziness/bad teams.

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by duh :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 10:08pm

Well the thing with Gates is right now he has 30+ more TD catches than Witten, that is a heck of a gap to try and close. While he may close some I think it likely that Gates will finish his career with a bunch more TDs than Witten and I think that will matter when it comes time to vote for the HOF.

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by Joshua Northey (not verified) :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 10:29pm

30 TD catches are worth about 60 extra yards. La di da.

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by duh :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 10:31pm

Statistically you could well be right but that isn't the way people and especially the HOF voters seem to rate them ....

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by Joshua Northey (not verified) :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 10:50pm

In ten or 15 years when they are voting on those people a lot of the people who don't understand the difference will be dead or retired.

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by Insancipitory :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 10:57pm

Peter King will have passed on, and replced with Jay Glazer

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by jonnyblazin :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 7:48pm

Daniel Graham as a HOF TE? Lol, I didn't think he was that good, he was cut this year by the Titans after all.

Anyways, I think Gronk and Graham are way too young to compare to Witten, it seems like a different era now. But its probably true Witten won't be a first ballot HOF, but he might make it in if he has 5+ more great seasons, which will be hard to do but not impossible.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 7:56pm

Yes, okay, I meant Jimmy. Hilarious, but not nearly as funny as your way of pointing it out.

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by Nathan :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 6:15pm

Even better than Gronk's Buckingham Palace TD celebration is the fact that, when asked about it after the game, he described it as "the little dude in front of the house".

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by bcsj (not verified) :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 11:03pm

Everyone's a dude in Gronk's world. Loved that bit of post-TD creativity.

The dance after the 2nd TD was, uh, "lurid and not fit for younger viewers". I might have liked it more than than the first one.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Mon, 10/29/2012 - 5:41am

"Everyone's a dude in Gronk's world"

Wrong. At least half are "bros"

-I'm not Billy Bad-Ass.

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by Go Pats (not verified) :: Mon, 10/29/2012 - 3:25pm

Not sure how many people caught Gronk spiking the microphone in london on stage at some event for the NLF on Saturday I believe it was - classic Gronk

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by CJS at NYC :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 6:54pm

Glad the Giants let this game go. A week 8 blowout of the Cowboys in Dallas is peaking way too soon for them.

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by duh :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 7:36pm

Geez I don't understand that play calling at all. 3rd and 1 more than a minute left all your time outs and you come out in shotgun and throw to the end zone? Couldn't you at least line up under center and give them something else to think about there? I know the Cowboys haven't been good running the ball today but they only needed a yard ....

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by BigCheese :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 7:55pm

I'm convinced Jason Garret is single-handedly responsible for at least half of Dallas' losses this year. I can't beleive he still has a job. Worst coach this side of Buffalo.

- Alvaro

Phil Simms is to analysts what Ryan Leaf is to NFL QBs

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 8:45pm

Norv Turner disagrees.

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by LionInAZ :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 10:40pm

I think it would be hard to find anyone worse than Romeo Crennel right now.

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by bcsj (not verified) :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 11:08pm

Pats' fans might have nominated Belichick after the past 3 weeks.

Crenel has a horrible QB (or two), so he's exempted. Norv is just petrified, but his QB isn't much better than Cassell right now. Garrett gets my vote - he is the single worst gameday coach going.

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by RickD :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 11:20pm

Dumb Pats' fans might have nominated Belichick.

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by BigCheese :: Mon, 10/29/2012 - 1:03am

Dumb would be a gross understatement.

- Alvaro

Phil Simms is to analysts what Ryan Leaf is to NFL QBs

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by Insancipitory :: Mon, 10/29/2012 - 1:06am

The catagory 6 ice hurricane will thin them out; make a wicked-pissah syfy made for tv movie.

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by BigCheese :: Mon, 10/29/2012 - 1:03am

I admitt I haven't seen much of the Browns lately, so I wouldn't know. But it being Romeo Crennel means I can easily believe it.

However, the difference is that the Cowoys have a better team than the Chargers (and a much, much, MUCH better team than the Browns). By all rights they should be tied for the division lead. Amd yet, here they are, pretty much guaranteeing no wildcard will come out of the East this year (NFC East I must point out. I'm certain the Patriots will get an AFC wildcard :P).

- Alvaro

Phil Simms is to analysts what Ryan Leaf is to NFL QBs

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Mon, 10/29/2012 - 5:24am

"I'm certain the Patriots will get an AFC wildcard"

Why wouldn't they just win the division? I know Miami looks good, but I would still pick the Pats to win the division over them.

Miami will probably get a wildcard in a weak AFC, though.

-I'm not Billy Bad-Ass.

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by BigCheese :: Mon, 10/29/2012 - 3:13pm

Well, first of all, I think the Dolphins are at least on par with the Patriots this year (just look at their respective games against the Jets). And second, how did you mis the :P?

- Alvaro

Phil Simms is to analysts what Ryan Leaf is to NFL QBs

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Mon, 10/29/2012 - 11:53am

Also Crennel is with the Chiefs. Pat Shurmur is the guy stinking up Ohio.

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by LionInAZ :: Mon, 10/29/2012 - 3:01pm

Didn't Crennel have a stint stinking up the Browns before he joined the Chefs?

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by Athelas :: Tue, 10/30/2012 - 10:28am

Yes. And he's a nice guy--just a bad head coach. Although I think the GM of KC is greatly responsible for the state of affairs.

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by jimm (not verified) :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 8:55pm

regarding Dez Bryant's almost catch...

I'm sure many won't agree with this sentiment, because he made a good catch, but a great receiver would not only catch the ball but would know where he is on the field and would stay in bounds on that throw. My theory is that Bryant drops so many passes he has to focus so hard catching the ball that he isn't body aware enough to know where the end line is and doesn't adjust accordingly.

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by CJS at NYC :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 9:09pm

Yes it was a great physical play marred by sloppy technique. Very Dez.

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by @MichaelEdits :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 9:55pm

Any time the Cowboys lose, they make me happy. Maybe some Panther stank rubbed off on them last week.

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by @MichaelEdits :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 9:54pm

Shockingly, firing the GM on Monday did not magically erase the suckitude from the Panthers in six short days.

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by CJS at NYC :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 10:41pm

Who puts "Go to Denver" on their bucket list? I mean, no offense, but Paris, it's not.

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by justanothersteve :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 10:44pm

I think Gronk put "Go to London" on his bucket list.

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by LionInAZ :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 10:46pm

No, but it beats going to Jacksonville, Buffalo, Green Bay, or Indianapolis.

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by justanothersteve :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 11:18pm

GB is way better than going to Indy, Jax, or Buffalo. I admit I was born in GB and therefore biased. I haven't been to Jax. But it's way better than either Buffalo or Indy. Especially Indy, which is even duller than Des Moines.

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by RickD :: Sun, 10/28/2012 - 11:22pm

Been to all three of Jax, Buffalo, and Indy, albeit not recently. Of the three, Jax is the worst.

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by BigCheese :: Mon, 10/29/2012 - 1:04am

That really seems to be the overall, undisputed concensus. No place the NFL plays in is worse than Jacksonville. And I'm including Mexico City in that list.

- Alvaro

Phil Simms is to analysts what Ryan Leaf is to NFL QBs

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by JohnD (not verified) :: Mon, 10/29/2012 - 8:28am

Maybe things have changed in the last 15 years (ok, probably they have) but when I was last in Buffalo around 6pm on a weekday, downtown was already shut down. Indy's definitely not like that.

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by Karl Cuba :: Mon, 10/29/2012 - 8:55pm

Two personal fouls in one drive by the 49ers, one by CJ Spillman AGAIN! I'm sick of that chump ruining good special teams play, and now I have a headache.

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by jonnyblazin :: Mon, 10/29/2012 - 9:09pm

Why do the analysts keep circling Randy Moss? Look, here's where a below-average WR who used to be good is lining up!

Granted I haven't watched all the SF games, but doesn't Moss look pretty bad? From what I've seen he just doesn't adjust very well to the ball once its in the air, and he never had great hands to nab passes over the middle to begin with.

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by Karl Cuba :: Mon, 10/29/2012 - 9:12pm

I'm all for it, they only use him as a decoy anyway, he hardly plays. He did look pretty good in limited time against the Giants if I remember correctly.

Who do you want them to circle? Manningham? Crabtree?

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by Marko :: Mon, 10/29/2012 - 9:49pm

Vernon Davis.

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by Go Pats (not verified) :: Tue, 10/30/2012 - 11:02am

he made a couple of nice moves on that TD though

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by Nathan :: Tue, 10/30/2012 - 9:51pm

Randy Moss never had great hands? I mean, a possession receiver he is not... but I've never heard anyone accuse him of having suspect hands before.

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