Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

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Re: Week 9 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 6:40pm

I'd probably find that less compelling. In any event, I'm at the mercy of the broadcast networks since I'm unwilling to support the Sunday Ticket monopoly and I'm too lazy to go to a sports bar to watch the games.

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by B :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 6:37pm

Speaking of beer commericals, what about the guy who apparently values Miller light over his girlfriend's life. I'm pretty sure that's a sign you might be an alcoholic.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 6:38pm

I'm watching the half-time show, muted of course. That has to be a crushing loss for the Texans. Their kicker had a very makeable FG attempt to send the game into OT but missed it just left. If the current leads hold up, Indy will end the day as the only unbeaten team.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 6:43pm

I got this feeling that Sproles is going to break a 65 yard run.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 6:44pm

You can take medication for that feeling.

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by BoltsFanatic (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 6:44pm

I'm getting sick and tired of watching the chargers offensive line blow block after block trying to get the run game going. It makes me sick. Get a new O-line coach or something jeesus christ

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 6:46pm

Alright, the Giants pick off the Wonder Brat.

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by BoltsFanatic (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 6:48pm

wonder brat wtf? I'd like a definition

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 6:52pm

It's just my childish nickname for Rivers. Many times I've thought he behaved like a brat. But, I have to admit he's a good QB. So, the "Wonder Brat".

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by B :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 6:56pm

I prefer douche canoe. Marmalad is good, too.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 6:47pm

Bad interception throw by Rivers.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 6:49pm

While I don't think "drinkability" is a word that can be used in any positive context with Bud Light, I do like a couple of the commercials, especially the one with the waiter I just saw.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 6:53pm

I agree they're sort of funny, but what bothers me is the slogan has nothing to do with the campaign. Can't it at least be something like, "The difference is balance" or "The perfect balance" or something?

I don't even know what "drinkability" is supposed to mean. I don't drink anyway, but that's just a dumb word.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 6:56pm

It's not even a word, at least I don't think so. I don't understand the campaign either.

But, I do like the waiter commercial and the break-up commercial.

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by Mike Y :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 6:57pm

I think it's supposed to mean that drinking it won't kill you, like "edible" for drinks. But that's the highest compliment you can give Bud Light.

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by Mr Shush :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 6:11am

I think I know almost exactly what it's supposed to mean. The trouble is, the nearest synonym is "flavourlessness", and it applies to almost all mass-produced/volume exported US beers, as well as some European numbers (Carlsberg, I'm looking at you). The campaign is saying, "If you really don't like the taste of beer in any way, but feel like you have to drink it in order to look like a man, drink our beer. If you get it cold enough, it really doesn't taste that much like beer, or indeed anything at all." It's like the direct antithesis of the Hobgoblin "What's the matter, lagerboy?" campaign.

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by B :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 6:55pm

It's nice of the Chargers receivers to make up for the loss of Chris Chambers by dropping all these passes.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 6:58pm

How dare you suggest that anyone could replace Chris Chambers.

I've always remembered that when Culpepper signed with Miami, Woody Paige insisted that it was a good signed because Chris Chambers "is Randy Moss in a Dolphins uniform."

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 6:59pm

That's two bad drops by Gates. I'm smiling.

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by BoltsFanatic (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 6:57pm

2 huge drops by antonio gates.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:00pm

San Diego has to lose to improve the Giants' DVOA to help the opponent adjustment for Philly's win. See, that's actually the basis for all that happens in the NFL. Gates is just doing his part.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:02pm

I'm going to the states in december for the first time.
What IS a good beer there?

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by Mike Y :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:05pm

Many microbrews are good. My favorites are Pyramid, Kona, and Anchor Steam, but those are probably only widely available on the West Coast.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:07pm

Thanks, but I'm going to Jacksonville.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:06pm

Where ever you go, find out which beers come from the local micro brewery. They usually make a nice variety of beers (from wheat beers to stouts) and they're usually very good. Most of the national beers suck, IMHO. Avoid Budweiser, Miller, and Coors. A lot of people like Samuel Adams. I haven't had one in years and don't really remember how good it is.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:12pm

Start here:

http://www.ratebeer.com/Places/State/Cities/jacksonville/9.htm

Beer geek site, have been on there for many years. Hmmm, don't know Jacksonville at all, but, based on what I've seen visiting the folks in Tampa, you should have some good stuff. If you want a taste of what the U.S. can do with hops, hunt up Stoudt's Double IPA. Great stuff. IIRC, Florida's largely considered to be a bit of a beer wasteland with the exception of Orlando and Tampa, but things have been improving over recent years.

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by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:04am

I hate ratebeer.

You can guess what a beer's score is going to be just by knowing what country it comes from, the style/class, and how rare it is.

I could piss in a bottle and say its from belgium, and brewed by monks, and it would get a 9+. And god forbid a beer is made by a major company.

You should be able to find Rogue down there. They're pretty good. Sam Adams has just gotten big enough that they're being kicked out of the national craft brewers association, but makes great beer. You should be able to find some good brewpubs down there too.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:38am

Actually, the highest percentage of highly-rated beers are from the U.S.:

http://www.ratebeer.com/Ratings/Ratings-Top50.asp

Only two of the top 10 are from Belgium, and eight of the top 50. There is an obvious bias on the site, but it's a style bias, and bigger beers like Imperial Stouts wind up getting rated higher by the populace than subtler styles. Rarity factors into that because rare things tend to be occasionally-brewed barrel-aged big beers or some such. It's a style thing, not a "Belgium" thing. There are loads of horrible Belgian beers in the world.

Major beer companies tend to be frowned upon for the same reason fast food restaurants are frowned upon; blandness sells. As a rule, if you mass-market, you're not going to be doing very interesting things. Also depends on what you consider to be "major company"; Sierra Nevada brews almost 700,000 barrels a year (about half of Sam Adams) and I can't really think of any beer geeks I know who don't think they're a great brewery.

It's not the size of the brewery, it's what they do with it.

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by Scott C :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 2:17am

I'm a beer geek, and I very much dislike Sierra Nevada.
I've always called it San Franciso budweiser (yes budweiser is properly capitalized). All their stuff has a similar annoying taste and its not a particularly good hoppy beer in my opinion.

There's a million better local beers on the west coast. For any beer nut visiting San Francisco, go to Toronado for a variety of the local crafted stuff (for 3.50 to 5 bucks each), or the Rogue brewbub for their eclectic mix of fine beers. Gestalt is a good place too. If you love the Belgian stuff there's La Trappe with a couple hundred varieties of Belgian or Belgian influenced beer.
At any bar, you'll find at minimum Sierra Nevada and Anchor Steam.

Even Candlestick Park has an OK selection of decent beer now.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 10:22am

You dislike Bigfoot, Celebration, and Torpedo? I haven't bought "regular" Sierra Nevada Beers in a really, really long time, but I'm big fan of the new Torpedo, and Bigfoot release day is one of the highlights of the beer year. SNCA's particularly good this year as well.

And yeah, there's lots of great other micros. I wish I could get Russian River or Bear Republic or Alesmith or a number of other California micros, but they don't distribute here. When I lived in D.C., you were almost always assured of finding Sierra Nevada Pale Ale at almost every bar; while it's not something I seek out, it was solid enough that I'd go for it every time over macro crap.

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by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:05am

I hate ratebeer.

You can guess what a beer's score is going to be just by knowing what country it comes from, the style/class, and how rare it is.

I could piss in a bottle and say its from belgium, and brewed by monks, and it would get a 9+. And god forbid a beer is made by a major company.

You should be able to find Rogue down there. They're pretty good. Sam Adams has just gotten big enough that they're being kicked out of the national craft brewers association, but makes great beer. You should be able to find some good brewpubs down there too.

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by BoltsFanatic (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:02pm

Chargers have blown about 5 sacks today by letting Manning roll out of the pocket every time. WOW

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:05pm

And I see that the Lions are doing their best to lose again.
Someone here must be happy.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:06pm

I'm excited to read the extended amounts of coverage that game will get in tomorrow's Audibles.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:09pm

I'm still pretending the game doesn't exist just like I'm pretending Notre Dame doesn't have a two-game home losing streak to Navy.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:10pm

jayinalaska should be.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:11pm

Nice drive by the Chargers to go up 14-7 over the G-men. The Wonder Brat threw a TD pass to Gates.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:12pm

More surprisingly, Gates actually held on to the ball.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:13pm

Thank the FSM it was #88, Chris Wilson, the third TE on the roster. His first catch of the season.
I'm playing against Gates in FF.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:17pm

Wow--an 8 and a 5 don't look that much alike. But I thought it was Gates.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:14pm

I'm still trying to master this typing and watching the game at the same time thing. Kris Wilson caught the TD pass, not Gates.

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by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:18pm

So, is Carolina running nearly every play?

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:21pm

Delhomme has 13 pass attempts. They have 33 rush attempts.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:22pm

~66% of the plays

They're the anti-Saints on the moment. (they pass every plays it seems)

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:24pm

Saints have passed on ~66% of the plays, so yep.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:29pm

Do you know the league's average?
[edit] in 2006 it was a little over 50-50 in favor of passing.
I guess it still is.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:19pm

Hakeem Nicks makes a really good run on a screen. Then he takes a handoff for a decent gain. Apparently the Giants had a meeting and decided he's good.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:21pm

As the 3rd quarter comes to an end, the Giants are threatening. 14-7 SD.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:26pm

A bit of confusion by the officials. Eli throws a pass to Smith. The ball comes out. One official says fumble, but is overruled by others who say Smith is down by contact. I haven't seen a replay yet that gives me any insight. (Plus, I'm typing.) SD is challenging.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:29pm

Incomplete pass ruling--seems reasonable enough to me.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:30pm

Ultimately, they say Smith never controlled the pass, so it's an incomplete pass. Because the challenge overturned the call on the field, SD's challenge succeeds and they're not charged a time-out. This causes 4th down for the G-men, who settle for the FG. 14-10 SD.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:28pm

From the replay so far, it looks to me like the Giants just fumbled, but it was tough to see when the ball came loose.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:32pm

I can't argue with the incomplete ruling.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:33pm

Neither can I.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:33pm

The Giants seem to have rediscovered their pass rush today. Sack!

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:36pm

On the next play, Justin Tuck blows up a screen play to put SD at their 4 in third and very long. SD runs the Seahawks favorite third and long play, a draw up the middle for no gain, and punt. The Giants have the ball first and ten on the Chargers 39.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:35pm

A downright ugly screen attempt by San Diego--Tuck is on top of it the whole way and stops it for a loss of 9. Norv then, as Norv does, gives up and just runs up the middle before punting.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:38pm

That wasn't a screen to Sproles. He just ran a flare.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:40pm

Sorry.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:42pm

Don't feel bad. I made the same mistake.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:43pm

I'll fight through the tears.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:36pm

Kickoff, Sack, TFL, run for no gain, punt, return. 1st and 10 on their 39. Great series by the G-men.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:39pm

The mighty intangible, momentum, seems to be definitely with the Giants right now. The G-men are in the red zone with first and goal at the 8.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:40pm

Manning to Boss in the back of the end zone for the go ahead score. 17-14 Giants.

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by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:44pm

Might want to dive a shade quicker next time Rivers.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:45pm

Nice scramble by the Wonder Brat, but he doesn't get any style points for that ugly slide at the end of the run.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:46pm

Must be frustrating to be LT today. There is no room to run or to improvise.
Is it LT or the offensive line?

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:47pm

I think it's both, really. And they are after all playing the Giants, who have a pretty good defense.

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by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:46pm

My goodness Giants D really on the ball. Also, how often do double reverses work?

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by Harris :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:46pm

Every week, announcers mislabel an end-around as a reverse. So San Diego actually runs a reverse and what does Nance call it? An end-around.

Hail Hydra!

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:50pm

I didn't hear that, but if it wasn't such a shame it would be hilarious. :D

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by Harris :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:55pm

Worst part about it? Simms called it right.

Hail Hydra!

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by Jeremy Billones :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:47pm

For those who wonder if that trick ever works...

4th & 1 on the 6, Seahawks "go for it", but it's just trying to draw DET offsides. This being DET, it works. But 3 busted plays later SEA kicks the field goal anyway.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:49pm

That's my team! I'm so proud of them.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:47pm

Justin Tuck makes another great defensive play by staying home and stopping the SD reverse. (Note to announcers: that was a reverse, not an end around. Idiots.) SD punts.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:49pm

The Saints have a 3 point lead with 4 minutes left. Time for Jake Delhomme to be a hero.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:52pm

By securing the Saints victory?

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by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:55pm

Exactly what I was thinking...

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:52pm

I think Jim Steinman wrote a song about how Panthers fans would feel about that.

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by Mr Shush :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 6:19am

Life is a Lemon and I want my Money Back? Or is that more just how Panthers fans feel in general this season?

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 11:17pm

That's a good answer, but I was thinking of "Rebel without a Clue" or "Holding out for a Hero" (holding out for someone OTHER than Jake, obviously).

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:50pm

Great play by San Diego's special teams to pin the Giants at the one--then they're called for holding and have to punt again. If I'm one of the guys who ran clear downfield to down that, I go find the guy who got called for holding and tear an ear off.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:53pm

Why am I sent back to page 1 after commenting? Annoying stuff.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:59pm

I complained about this and a couple of other things in the Forum's "Suggestions" topic, but never saw a response. (I haven't looked in a couple of days, though.) Feel free to post something over there, too.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:54pm

The SD defense answers the call and stuffs the Giants. SD will have the ball 1st and 10 on their 21 with a little over 4 minutes to go down 17-14.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:57pm

Wonder Brat says 'thank you' and throws a pick.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:59pm

Wonder Brat is catching on. Now if we can just get the puling penalty generally accepted.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:03pm

I'd love this. Imagine: "Unsportsman-like conduct on number 7 of the offense, whining. 15-yard penalty and it remains 2nd down."

While I like the word puling a lot, I just don't think it would work for the majority of people watching the NFL.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:05pm

ah, the 'begging and whining' penalty.
15 yards, loss of down.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:56pm

duplicate post deleted

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:56pm

the Lions managed it. They're gonna lose.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:57pm

The Lions are capable of anything.

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by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:00pm

Except winning on a consistent basis, obviously.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:03pm

That idea doesn't even exist in the universe in which the Lions play.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 7:59pm

The Panthers are able to get the ball back. 98 yards to go...and Deangelo Williams fumbles, picked up and run back for a TD. Goodnight everybody.

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by ar4t :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:01pm

Ok, 3& 1 Tequila. 4 & 1 CJ for TD. Fisher is not insane.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:01pm

"I'm sure the Giants will pass the ball here"

They choose to run it and kick the FG and are up by 6.
Strange. I'd run and go for it on 4th.

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by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:04pm

Just looking at the stats... Remember when Reggie Bush was hyped as a world beater for the Saints? Two carries today...

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:11pm

And the Texans were in for a lifetime of failure for the ludicrous decision to take this pathetic defensive end Mario Williams instead.

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by Mr Shush :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 6:35am

Williams is playing hurt and having a down season, with only four sacks so far. He still looks set to have more value this year than Bush will in any season of his career.

Saints fans, is your Jim Steinman tune "Paradise by the Dashboard Light" for Reggie Bush?

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 11:21pm

I'm not a Saints fan, but I think it's either "The Future Ain't What It Used to Be" or "Loving You's A Dirty Job But Somebody's Gotta Do It."

For some reason, my Steinman references this weekend were Bonnie Tyler-heavy.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:10pm

The Giants would have this game in the bag if not for 9 penalties. I appreciate them making sure the game stayed interesting, but I imagine Giants fans feel differently.

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by Harris :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:11pm

As much as I enjoy watching the Giants lose, watching them lose like that is so, SO, much better.

Hail Hydra!

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:12pm

I'm speechless.

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by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:12pm

Yikes Giants... Atrocious d. At least the Giants have 20 secs to try to gain enough yardage for a figgie.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:12pm

Vincent Jackson gets great separation and Rivers hits him perfectly for a touchdown--the extra point will give the Chargers a lead with 21 seconds to go.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:12pm

Wow.
.21 on the clock and the bolts lead by 1.
Wonder Brat to Vincent Jackson. No Whining penalties.

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by Mike Y :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:13pm

And Alex Smith shows why the Niners need a new quarterback next year.

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by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:13pm

Hail Mary time...

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:15pm

Merriman ends the game with a sack. Chargers win.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:16pm

Ironic ending with Merriman chasing Eli.

Goodnight.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:17pm

Jim Steinman has a song for how the Giants have made me feel today:
Then I'm dying at the bottom of a pit
In the blazing sun.
All torn and twisted at the foot
Of a burning bike.
And I think somebody somewhere
Must be tolling a bell.
And the last thing I see is my heart
Still beating
Still beating
Breaking out of my body
And flying away.
Like a bat out of hell.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:19pm

I'm impressed. Bravo.

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by Alexander :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:18pm

So about that vaunted SF run defense...where was it today?

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by Harris :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:35pm

Sipping chianti with the vaunted Ravens defense?

Hail Hydra!

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by Venger :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:30pm

"So about that vaunted SF run defense...where was it today?"

Drinking tequila with Lendale White?

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by Alexander :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:36pm

All i know is it could have lost me this weeks fantasy matchup!

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 8:37pm

San Francisco managed to stay alive to the end, but they couldn't get the onside kick.

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by MadCat :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 9:10pm

I don't have a great understanding of the game, being from Portugal, and only following for just three years.

But watching the replays of the games, the sack that Eli took to end the game looked funny, the Chargers rushed four, to five lineman and a running back, and Merriman was left free, who is to blame? Left guard? Left tackle? Running back? All?

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 9:23pm

I just went and looked at the last play. Given the alignments, I'd have to say the left tackle blew his assignment. He blocked down, like he and the guard were going to double team someone and totally ignored Merriman. I certainly don't understand what the left side of the Giants line was trying to accomplish on the play.

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by KR (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 9:37pm

Could be considered Eli's fault, too. It is usually the job of either the QB or the center to assign blocking assignments, so if he didn't tell the tackle to block Merriman, then he's going to block the way the play is drawn up, or just free-lance. But there probably wasn't enough time left to discuss things.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 9:27pm

Tonight's game looks like a good one. Let's go Eagles!

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 9:34pm

That pass didn't look uncatchable, Roy.

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by jayinalaska :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:08am

Alright, Roy. That pass was nearly uncatchable.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 9:40pm

Terrance Newman, soccer player!

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 9:44pm

And Maclin makes a great play for the Cowboys.

Oh--he doesn't play for the Cowboys?

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 10:05pm

Well, that's not good. When he was sacked, McNabb rolled up Jason Peters legs. After the commercial, Peters is shown limping on the sideline. Hopefully Peters can come back.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 10:10pm

The Philly line isn't very good as it stands--losing Peters would make it scarily bad.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 10:14pm

So it looks like Donovan's evil twin showed up today. Sad- I was hoping the Cowboys fans here would repeat their performance when the Boys played the G-men earlier in the year.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 10:18pm

I admit I haven't seen him a lot this year, but Donovan hasn't looked very good when I have--it's sad, but he just seems "off."

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 10:16pm

I think it's sort of interesting that the commercials for the NFLN game, CHI@SF (I may have them backwards), focuses on Singletary. How often do the commercials for a game focus on a coach?

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 10:25pm

Focus on a coach? That doesn't happen a lot. Mention a coach/the coaches? That happens quite a bit.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 10:25pm

And now Gurode is down. This is turning into a nasty game for offensive linemen.

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by The Powers That Be :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 10:26pm

An injury to Gurode is the worst possible thing that can happen to the Cowboys - there's simply no acceptable backup.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 10:33pm

You really think it's worse than an injury to Ware?

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by The Powers That Be :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 10:43pm

Actually, yes. The drop-off to Procter is so large that we need astronomical units to measure it.

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by B :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 10:25pm

Isn't "Ninja Assassin" redundant? Aren't all ninjas by definition assassins?

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 10:31pm

In reality, I don't think so; but for the purposes of American movies, it probably is redundant. However, the title "Ninja" has been used many times, so they probably felt the need to have more to the title.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 10:51pm

According to that fount of infallible knowledge, Wikipedia: A ninja or shinobi was a covert agent or mercenary of feudal Japan specializing in unorthodox arts of war. The functions of the ninja included espionage, sabotage, infiltration, assassination, as well as open combat in certain situations. The underhanded tactics of the ninja were contrasted with the samurai, who were careful not to tarnish their reputable image.

So, no, not redundant.

I've been trying to decide whether I should go see the movie, hoping that the Wachowski brothers have recaptured the magic they found with "The Matrix". But, now I know I have to go because the screenplay was co-written by J. Michael Straczynski, the creator of the TV series "Babylon 5", one of my all time favorite shows.

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by Mr Shush :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 6:43am

Rocky, Colt, Tum Tum and Grandpa Mori would like to emphasize that real ninjas totally, like, have honour and wouldn't go in for assassination and stuff.

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by Rocco :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 10:54pm

Wait a second, did a WR screen on 3rd and long just work? Really?

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 10:59pm

That wasn't the first time this game that the Cowboys successfully ran that play.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:17pm

Eagles have an apparent KO TD return called back due to a holding call. Al Michaels is contending because the held player had no chance to make the tackle, holding shouldn't have been called. I don't think that's the way the rule works, though.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:22pm

Beautiful screen pass by the Eagles. McNabb held the ball to the last second, probably a beat longer than he should have. McCoy takes the pass 45 yards to the Dallas 15. Two plays later, McNabb scrambles and hits Celek in the back of the end zone for a TD. The Eagles get called for a "demonstration" after the play, which will be enforced on the KO.

Now, it gets more interesting. Dallas is challenging that McNabb was beyond the line of scrimmage when he threw. The TV replays I've seen don't support that, so Dallas should lose the challenge and a time-out.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:25pm

As expected, Dallas loses the challenge. 13-10 Eagles.

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by Mike Y :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:25pm

Did Celek do the Captain Morgan pose after his touchdown?

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:28pm

I don't know. I started typing right after the catch. The zebras called the penalty on #81, not Celek, but the announcers just said Celek "lifted his leg" in a pose, which drew the flag. Yes, it was an unfortunate choice of words by the announcers.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:30pm

Asante Samuel just got called for taunting.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:32pm

I'm not sure I see enough to warrant the taunting penalty on Asante Samuel, but it ends up not mattering because the next play is a pick by Sheldon Brown.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:36pm

Taunting is a tough penalty for us to criticize because I think it can include things the players say to each other and we generally don't hear what they're saying. I agree the physical actions we could see didn't seem to merit a taunting penalty.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:39pm

Very true, and, if I wasn't clear, that's all I was saying--I wasn't trying to say that they shouldn't have penalized him, just that I didn't see anything.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:32pm

Sheldon Brown just picked Romo. His brilliant return was nullified by an obvious low block by #53.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:36pm

Chris Collinsworth is going on an extended riff about how much the league has done to stave off concussions and protect from future damage from said concussions. I guess that's a sign that the concerns are gaining some traction.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:45pm

I agree that the concussion issue seems to be gaining some traction. I don't think the NFL is doing everything they could be doing, yet, but I wonder if some of that might be motivated by wanting to minimize any liability for their past lack of concern.

It was nice to hear Brian Westbrook quoted as saying that his mental health is more important than playing football and that he's not willing to play unless he's sure he's recovered from his concussion.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:49pm

I gained respect for Westbrook, definitely.

I agree with all that you said. I've been made fun of for years because I wanted a universal rule not allowing anyone to come back into a game after getting a concussion, and maybe that will get there. I have a whole list of things I want them to do, but that's probably more in-depth than necessary here, plus I also have a whole laundry list for improving players' mental health.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:53pm

The concussion issue is one of the only things that I agree with Gregg Easterbrook about.

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by Alexander :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:22am

Westbrook is a well known intelligent player. He did that slide on the 1 instead of scoring a touchdown. Do people forget so easily?

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:50pm

In the "Who Can Make A Bad Challege" game, we have a 1-1 tie. Wade shouldn't have challenged McNabb being beyond the line of scrimmage and Andy shouldn't have challenged the spot on the pass play.

The excitement is intense. Will there be a clear winner of this game tonight or will everyone have to settle for this unsatisfying tie? People are on the edge of their seats!

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:51pm

No, the seats were just build too small--you have to be on the edge of them.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:53pm

Roy Williams makes a catch!

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:54pm

Patrick Crayton makes up for it by letting one bounce off of his hands.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:56pm

OMG. OPI on Witten. It's a good call, but they sure don't call it very often.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:57pm

Can't any of these people do something interesting as a sack dance? I hate all the sack dances. I'm not against their existence--it's just that everyone's dance sucks.

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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:59pm

The Eagles stop Dallas on a Romo sack after the OPI. On the Eagles subsequent 1st down, McNabb throws an interception to Jenkens, who had great coverage and wasn't fooled by the double move. McNabb under threw that ball badly.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:00am

Maclin's going to be in really bad shape in Quick Reads this week. I think both interceptions were thrown to him and there's been at least one other target. He may be least valuable wide receiver of the week.

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by jayinalaska :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:06am

I don't know how the formula works, so I don't have any insight, great or otherwise. I do know Miles Austin has been targeted three times for no catches. How that compares to Maclin's night? I don't know.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:07am

It seems like it's worse if they have interceptions on plays where they were targeted. However, Maclin does have 15 yards on his one catch, so he probably has a first down, which Austin obviously doesn't have. I'm guessing fairly naively, but I got the number one receiver right last week (or maybe two weeks ago), so it's possible I can get it again.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:11am

And Maclin immediately draws a pass interference penalty.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:13am

Illegal contact penalty, sorry. Which means that it doesn't hurt my prediction.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:15am

However, a 15-yard first down catch does.

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by jayinalaska :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:15am

And catches a, what, 20-yard pass for a first down on 3rd and 12. His value is rising rapidly.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:17am

Apparently, I motivated him. Andy Reid owes me money.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:02am

I've used Donovan as my fantasy quarterback about 80% of the time for about the last 6 years. I think I may have to move on.

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by jayinalaska :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:19am

Decision time for Andy Reid. Fourth and less than a yard at the Cowboys' 44. McNabb sneaks, but it looks like he got a horrible spot. I thought he made the first down easily. Andy is going to make the challenge and I think this is a good one. But, it's a big risk. It's his last challenge and it will use his last time out if he's wrong.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:22am

Well, we both agree. I vote that means they don't have to spend any time under the hood.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:23am

Collinsworth tries to sell it, but this was a bad call on the replay.

Andy Reid is now out of time outs less than five minutes into the 4th quarter.

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by jayinalaska :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:23am

I don't agree with that ruling at all. I think Eagles got screwed big time on that.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:20am

Andy Reid uses both challenges on ball spots--has that happened before?

To his credit, I think he's right on this one. Whether he'll win is another matter, but it looks to me at first glance like Donovan has the first down.

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by jayinalaska :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:25am

I haven't a clue.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:25am

Did they actually say what's wrong with Samuel? Collinsworth is saying that the injury is bothering him but I didn't hear what it was for certain.

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by jayinalaska :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:28am

He got kneed in the head by one of the Cowboys running backs, Barber IIRC. He was out for several plays.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:29am

That much I saw, but I didn't hear an explanation. Do we have one Eagle sitting out two weeks in a row for a concussion while one comes back in the same game?

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by jayinalaska :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:35am

Ah, sorry I didn't understand the question. As far as I know, they haven't said Samuel suffered a concussion. At one point, they said they were treating him for a neck sprain.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:37am

Okay, that would make sense. For some reason, I didn't think of his neck and I couldn't come up with what else could be wrong with him.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:27am

And apparently you motivated Miles Austin. 49-yard touchdown.

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by jayinalaska :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:30am

There's a little over 7 minutes to go in the game and it feels like the game should be in overtime.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:32am

It has been a rough slog of a game, hasn't it? Especially considering the two teams.

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by Alexander :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:37am

So. As odd as this statement might sound. What point ranges do most people's fantasy leagues use for defensive points? The ESPN league just seems so ridiculous.

0 points allowed 10 2-6 points allowed 7
7-13 points allowed 4 14-17 points allowed 1
22-27 points allowed -1 28-34 points allowed -4
35-45 points allowed -7 46+ points allowed -10

I'd think in today's league 22 points in a game would be regarded as an achievement.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:40am

That's what Yahoo! uses as well. I don't like it, either, which is part of why I draft defense after kicker and stream them all season.

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by Alexander :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 1:41am

If i didn't have the Eagles defense I would probably not even play D/ST.

While no team is averaging negative points on the season, its way too easy for a defense to score negative points in fantasy. Even QBs with 4 interceptions rarely have negative points, but defenses who give up 30 or so points (very easy to do) will screw your team over.

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by jayinalaska :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:37am

I think that's the fourth dropped screen pass I've seen over the course of the day. I guess the 8th of November must be hands of stone Sunday.

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by jayinalaska :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:41am

With no "times out" and 4:20 to go, I think the Eagles can't let the Cowboys get more than one first down or they'll run out of time.

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by jayinalaska :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:44am

Game over.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:46am

I refuse ever to count out the DVOA Darlings.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:49am

And Romo fumbles while trying to take a knee! Trent Cole recovers and runs it back for a touchdown! An unbelievable victory for the Eagles!

Maybe not.

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by jayinalaska :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 12:52am

I think it's important to have a healthy imagination and fantasy life. Good for you!

With that, I'm calling it a day. Until next time...

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by Solomon :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 1:33am

A few quick thoughts:
1. Nice to see the Colts win, even though it was an uneven performance. 8-0!
2. Freeman, Schmeeman ... made no difference. The Bucs won b/c of the creamsickle jerseys! I actually like the orange uniforms (although I may be the only one).
3. What's w/ the name calling of Philip Rivers? He is a very good QB and a seemingly likeable guy. Maybe he is a little cocky, but not too much.
4. All the beer commercials ... what's funny is these commercials stating how great their wretched Amercian light beers are. Blech. At least the Coors Lite commercials are entertaining.
5. I realize the Raiders had a bye, but ... almost 500 posts, and nothing from Raiderjoe? How disappointing.

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by Alexander :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 1:58am

Rivers has a chip on his shoulder because of the NYG fiasco, also sitting behind Drew Drees, who is a good quarterback, but played erratically in SD probably added to that.

Moreover he wasn't invited to the Heisman ceremony in spite of his outstanding "YPA (yards per attempt) average (9.55) is still the best in college football history." The man has been underestimated his whole life and is a bit angry about it.

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by tornadot :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 2:11am

Some of us are Broncos fans so we're obligated to hate Rivers' guts.

I too loved the creamsicle Bucs and would watch more games if they played with those unis.

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by t.d. :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 8:49am

Not a Broncos fan, but I can't stand Rivers, either. The thing about the Rivers-Cutler feud was just like the ol' Giant Douche-Turd Sandwich debate.

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by MadCat :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 8:48pm

Looking foward to tonight game.

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by Paulo Sanchotene, RS, Brazil (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 10:35pm

Someone could explain to me why this 3rd-5 pass from Orton to Gaffney wasn't ruled a completion followed by a fumble?

2nd quarter - (7:45) (Shotgun) K.Orton pass incomplete short left to J.Gaffney (W.Gay). Play Challenged by Replay Assistant and Upheld.

What there must be on a play in order to it be considered a complete pass?

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 11:23pm

I turn the game on just in time to see Denver score the go-ahead touchdown on a strip sack. I'm now too distracted to pay attention to my reading for the night. So, now they give up a pretty easy-looking touchdown drive and I feel like I have cursed them.

I'll make myself feel better by reminding myself repeatedly that Cutler and Shanahan are both gone.

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by BucNasty :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 11:27pm

What the hell was the defender trying to do, a behind the back pass? This isn't basketball.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 11:33pm

Mendenhall just gained, what, 8 yards before he even saw an orange jersey? I think I have cursed the defense. How have I so offended the Football Gods?!

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 11:39pm

I have built the wicker man. I need only to entice Gruden into it . . .

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 11:40pm

While the page was loading after I submitted that, Denver gets an interception. Creepy.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 11:37pm

So what percentage of people watching this game to see this Coors Light commercial recognize Marv Levy? I'm guessing no better than 35%.

(And they should recognize him--I just doubt they do because he's been out of the spotlight a while.)

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 11:44pm

Boo. A fourth-and-one punt. McDaniels loses a coaching point for that.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 11:56pm

To somewhat keep with the theme of naming Steinman songs for teams/players/events yesterday, I'm starting to think my favorite comedian has a song about Kyle Orton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx3kMBoeZh0

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 11/09/2009 - 11:58pm

"Santonio Holmes is deceptively quick?"

Deceptively? Really? I don't want to argue with Champ Bailey's assessment, but that seems bizarre to me.

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 12:03am

That's just another way of saying he's pretty slow...

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 12:03am

. . . That "Sherlock Holmes" commercial . . .

I'm deeply offended. Sherlock Holmes has been turned into an action hero? AND he's being played by Robert Downey Jr.? This is a horrendous affront to humanity.

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by BucNasty :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 12:04am

Wow, Polamalu with back-to-back defeats, a TFL and a pick.

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 12:06am

Screw Polamalu. I bet it's a wig!

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 12:08am

Ballgame. Orton's never been a comeback master... or a master...

My kingdom for Cutler right now...

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 12:09am

It's my fault, I'm certain.

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 12:12am

I'm not gonna argue with ya...

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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 12:16am

I've always been a curse on my own team in some way. I remember for some reason I couldn't see a few games early in the 1996 season when they were steamrolling people, but of course I did see the playoff game.

I realize there are games in between that I watched in which they didn't get shellacked, but to my 11-year-old mind, it felt like that was the only game I saw.

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Re: Week 9 Open Discussion Thread
by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 12:13am

OR . . . it's because of the "Sherlock Holmes" commercial! It is already unraveling society.

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Re: Week 9 Open Discussion Thread
by tornadot :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 12:22am

Well the defense has kept them in this game somewhat. Oh hey we still have Washington, KC(twice!) and Oakland. Tough losses sure but not giving up yet.

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Re: Week 9 Open Discussion Thread
by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 12:26am

No matter how pathetic they are, I do not take Oakland for granted. Otherwise, you're right, that's comforting.

Though having Rivers on our heels is not.

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Re: Week 9 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 12:17am

How many years has it been since the Broncos have had good or even average punting? I mean this is getting rediculous.

By the way, Brett Kern is 8-0 this year...

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Re: Week 9 Open Discussion Thread
by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 12:22am

FO says 2005 was right on average.

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Re: Week 9 Open Discussion Thread
by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 12:19am

Mendenhall needs about 15 yards to make me lose one of my fantasy games. That's adding insult to injury.

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Re: Week 9 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 12:22am

Ugh that's rough. Starting Mendenhall against the Broncos - shallow on RB?

What *is* going on with these off-tackle runs?

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Re: Week 9 Open Discussion Thread
by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 12:24am

I think my opponent is just a moron who doesn't realize that Denver has been good against the run this year.

And he may be rubbing it in my face that I dropped Mendenhall earlier in the year.

Seriously? We have to see the Yankees again?! I HATE JON GRUDEN!

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Re: Week 9 Open Discussion Thread
by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 12:30am

We may be able to get this ruled a fumble. That's not going to give us much of a chance, but it's something.

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Re: Week 9 Open Discussion Thread
by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 12:32am

Darn. I don't think I could have overturned it, either, but one can hope.

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Re: Week 9 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 12:33am

I'm now officially worried about the division. First the disaster in the meadowlands and now this collapse. And with the AFC North - wildcards are going to be hard to come by - it's not like the tiebreakers are in favor...

It's not as much loosing to Baltimore and Pittsburgh - that can happen to anybody - it's the manner in which those losses came. A complete offensive collapse, and defensive struggles in the second half...

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Re: Week 9 Open Discussion Thread
by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 12:39am

I don't think the offense is all that good anyway--it just doesn't *look* good. It looks like, "Hey, if you screw up, we can take advantage, but we can't make anything happen on our own," if that makes any sense. But I'm not terribly concerned about the defense. Well, I am, but that's just by Denver fan-ness (watching all of these terrible defenses that lost so many games late for them over the years). I wouldn't be concerned if it were any other team. I think we'll be fine against weaker teams, we just can't take the step to beating the good teams, at least not regularly, yet.

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Mis-called penalty
by tgt2 (not verified) :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 1:49am

How did no one else see the zebras mess up the penalty on the Denver pick and return. Kemoeatu (#68) destroys Fields on a block in the back. Don Carey got the number right, but he called it on Denver. Instead of being at the 45, they get backed up to the 10. The box score says the foul was on Fields, just stupid. The score was 14-10, and Denver never got the ball past where they should have started that drive.

Something similar nearly happened in the Monday nighter two weeks ago. Kicking off, an Eagle went illegally low on a big return, but Bill Leavy called it on Washington. It was about 5 minutes later (after a TV timeout) with the Redskins about to snap the ball that a side judge ran in to stop play and correct it.

There was no correction in this game. No mention from the announcers. No complaint from McDaniel that they don't even have a 68. That's a clear official error. Protests never work, but that seems like a good case for one: it was objectively wrong. The ref called the right penalty on the wrong team.

After that, I wasn't even surprised when Carey called a later block in the back on a punt return as being "after the interception" and "on the intercepting team." Are officials normally that stupid?

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Heath Miller Punch
by t. stocks (not verified) :: Tue, 11/10/2009 - 5:35am

After Goodman's interception in the third quarter, monday night, you can see Heath Miller sucker punch a Denver defender at the end of the play. As the play concludes, from the aerial view, Miller crosses a Denver defender as he runs toward the middle of the field and blatantly punches him in the stomach. The Denver player is dropped to his knees. Its dirty. Hopefully he didn't punch him in the groin, but the contact point isn't as clear as the punch itself.

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