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03 Nov 2013
Discuss all the Week 9 football happenings in this thread.
Posted by: Rivers McCown on 03 Nov 2013
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Pretty amazing that tonight is the last chance for an NFL team from any team in Florida to get a win in October. Last time a Florida-based team won: Dolphins on 22 September.
There were three minutes left in the month when they pulled it out. So close.
Dalton making horrible throws to his sideline receivers. Result: two interceptions, second for a TD. And like that the Dolphins are up by 14 in a game where they don't look like the stronger team.
Wow, I forget this game is even on, show up to see the Bengals score the 1st td and then a quick 2nd to tie it up. Good to know I seem to have not missed much.
Nugent made the kick, but the way Cincinnati played that after having 1st-and-10 at the 42 was beyond dumb.
Whoa! I have never seen an OT end in a safety. Cool.
I wonder how many games have ever been won in overtime on a safety before tonight...talk about a weird way to go!
Apparently this is the 3rd.
But the first with a QB sack safety ending OT.
Dalton is pretty clearly in the Eli, Flacco, Ryan, Stafford, Cutler etc class of elite QB. The guys that require their WR to bail them out constantly because their throws are erratic type of guys.
I know conventional wisdom says that Cincinnati was correct to punt in overtime rather than attempt a ~57 yard field goal, but I would have liked to see them try it. Nugent was good from 54 just a few minutes before, and the benefit of pinning Miami deep disappeared when the Bengals defense let them march down the field.
Conventional wisdom is wrong. Your kicker just nailed a 54 yarder with plenty to spare to send it to OT. He's won 2 games already with FGs, why not give him a shot?
Well, you could argue the same for Miami, who passed up a 58-yard field goal; Sturgis has made a 54-yarder this year as well, after all. Seemed to work out for them.
Meanwhile, missing the field goal would put Miami on their own 47, so they only need to go less than 20 yards to get into field goal range.
I can see why Cincy would pass on the 57-yarder. The chance that Miami's offense would run down the length of the field against a normal (non-prevent) defense to get into FG range was pretty negligible; that two-minute drill was basically the only time it had shown up at all since halftime. And indeed, while field position did end up with them in their own end, eventually, the Cincy defense did indeed stop Miami's offense.
The Miami decision I'm not as sure about, on the grounds that with their shaky offense the number of times they would get that close again is not guaranteed to be something other than zero. I guess it comes down to Sturgis's range...or to a fear that Cincy picking up a couple of first downs was next to inevitable.
I don't know...it's hard, though, to pass up a shot to have a 50/50-ish chance of winning the game outright on one play.
BTW, craziest thing about tonight's game had to do with gambling. The total on this game was 42. Going into OT at 40, the chances of not losing an under bet was virtually nil. The safety pushed it which was unreal.
Does a bet on points scored include OT?! That seems odd. All bets in Europe, on soccer anyway, are made for regulation only.
It depends. I believe you can choose to bet on either kind.
American football betting (and that for most other North American sports for that matter) normally includes OT unless specifically stated otherwise. There was a lot of discussion on the gambling forums I lurk at regarding the effect of the new overtime rules.
It's especially crazy in college football totals where you can pretty easily see 20 points scored in OT. On a particularly close game, betting the under is tantamount to a bet that it won't go OT.
So if i take a team -1 against the spread and the game is tied after regulation, I can still lose? Thats crazy. By any reasonable definition I was right to take the underdog and the points, yet i still lose if the favorite wins in OT.
Yeah, quoting from a sportsbook's rules
"Winners and losers are official after: • Soccer 90 minutes of play - Overtime and/or Penalty shots are not included
• Football - NCAA & NFL - 55 minutes of play
• Basketball - NBA - 43 minutes of play
• Basketball - NCAA - 35 minutes of play
• Hockey - NHL - 55 minutes of play
• All other sporting events - 55 minutes of play
• Overtime periods, quarters or extra innings are counted in the final score when wagering on totals, money line and spread betting unless specified and with the exception of soccer lines including a quote for a draw.
• On half time wagers, overtime periods are included as part of the second half.
• All period and quarter wagers placed are for that specific period or quarter only. All overtime wagers placed will be for the full overtime, regardless of how many overtimes
• Other sports: All other contests that involve a scheduled length of play time or time limit must play to their conclusion or have five minutes or less of scheduled playing time remaining when the contest concludes to be considered official for betting purposes."
What you've quoted refers to when a game is official, as in "has officially been played". So this:
"Football - NCAA & NFL - 55 minutes of play"
Means that, if due to weather or whatever, an NFL game is stopped with six minutes left, the sports book will not consider the game to be played and will nullify all bets (and give people their money back).
It has nothing to do with how the final score is determined. If a game is tied after 55 minutes, but ends up as a three-point game, the book will pay out based on the three-point actual spread.
I was merely quoting the whole rule... should have boldfaced the overtime bit.
Gotcha. Carry on then.
Yeah well welcome to gambling.
Ugh, Geno Atkins believed to have torn ACL.
Yes, ESPN is reporting that he's out for the season.
I expect FO to give this news its own thread.
Huge blow to the Bengals.
What about Hartline's suspect "catch" late in regulation? Did the Bengals still have a challenge left? Why did the announcers barely mention this? Why did NFL not even bother w/a replay? I do not think he got his second foot down and I cannot believe Lewis didn't challenge that, assuming he could have.
I guess it was under 2 minutes to go in regulation, so why no booth review? Can't blame Lewis, anyway.
There was some pretty rotten officiating in this game, including the "hold" on Gresham on the TD-that-wasn't and the phantom push-off on, I believe, Hartline. I could see how the push-off call got made, since the corner fell down, but I have no idea how that was holding on Gresham.
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Washington starts their first drive at their own 1, drive to the red zone before stalling out. The FG is blocked leaving the Skins with 0 points for an 8 minute drive.
Scifres' punt pins the Skins at their 1 again. SD's LE bats the ball at the line, and it is intercepted by their DT in the end zone for a TD.
The batter? The same lineman who blcked the FG earlier. I wanna say Ray Guy, which is certainly wrong.
What is happening to Ron Rivera is the best thing to happen to football analytics since Bill James. He, once again, goes for it on 4th down = easy, wide open touchdown.
I know I'm thrilled. I'm actually kind of worried that he'll be let go if the Panthers slip against a tough second half schedule.
The Jets manage to have a 93-yard drive that results in only a field goal. They kick it from only three yards out… The Saints quickly score a touchdown on the next possession, of course.
San Diego blocks their second FG of the game as time expires at the end of the first half. They had went 11 years without blocking a FG and now have 2 in the game.
The Bills have first and goal at the KC 1, up 10-3. After two failed runs, Tuel throws a pick-six.
Chiefs with a 99 yard pick six in Buffalo. Ugh.
The Bills were knocking on the door to a 17-3 lead having driven down to the one yard line to start the third quarter, but after a couple of stops, Kansas City intercepts the ball and returns it for a touchdown to tie the game.
Apparently Tuel was throwing to a spot. It was the easiest interception any defender has ever had.
Richard Sherman against Matt Schaub disagrees.
Andre Johnson could've broken that one up. At least he was close by. This would've been caught by almost anyone.
It was good to see the Bills go for it on fourth and three at the 37.
And, it was good to hear the announcers laud the decision.
It just sucks that the first down wasn't picked up as the ball was just a hair overthrown on a deep pass.
All of DC holds its breath as RG3 goes airborne trying to convert a 3rd and 10. He landed on his upper back after getting hit and spun in mid air. Amazing play, but he is not likely to last attempting those sorts of moves. First time I've watched RG3 for any length of time; he takes an absolute licking. I'd really think the Skins' would try to protect the QB they mortgaged several drafts for.
Alex Smith throws a pass behind the LOS to Charles, who is completely covered by a defender for a 2-yd loss. Inexplicable.
The KC Offense is obviously under instructions to just contain the Buffalo Defense and let their own defense score all the points... Wondering what the worst DVOA for a 9-0 team is now...
I get up for a few minutes and miss another KC defensive score. DVOA is going to really hate this performance by the Chiefs.
Flowers with the NFL's first ever pass defensed post-play.
The Skins have SD in a 4th and 2 which will end the game. They lose track of Keenan Allen who Rivers connects with for a big 20 yard gain on the 4th down.
The Jets have scored six times, but four of those are field goals. I have a feeling this will end 27-26 Saints.
Why is Rivers in shotgun inside the 1- yd line? Why are you throwing away the QB sneak?
It didn't end up that way, but one possible reason is you plan to draw.
It's possible to run a draw with the QB under center, even QB draws. The point is to make the defense have to cover more options.
Garcon lowers his head as he catches a pass in OT, the first Charger at the reception hits on him the shoulder and drives Garcon into another Charger whose shoulder might have hit Garcon's helmet. 15 yard penalty for the hit. The second Charger was in perfect position, makes the tackle, wraps Garcon up. Any "hit to the head" occured because of Garcon lowering his head into the contact.
It's not as if the SD defense was doing anything to stop Washington...
And the SD defense comes through by surrendering to the Washington offense.
I have an OT Question, imagine this scenario:
-Team A receives the ball 1st in OT, takes the entire 15 Mins on its drive and kicks a FG as time expires, what happens next:
1)Due to new rule, Team B gets its fair shot because it did not yet receive the ball
2)Team A wins, it is up by 3 with 0 time on the clock
3)It is a Tie because the clock expired without a Winner
That's a great question. I guarantee it wouldn't be the third option though.
Max 15 extra time in the regular season.
So if you score a FG, you've won if there's no time left.
">> Following...the end of the regulation game, play will be continued in 15-minute periods until a winner is declared. Each team must possess or have the opportunity to possess the ball unless the team that has the ball first scores a touchdown on its initial possession. In preseason and regular season games there shall be a maximum of 15 minutes of over time"
Balls rewarded in Cleveland, as the Browns score on 4th-and-goal.
Commentary NE vs Pit:
"Pittsburgh need to run the ball, the key is to run the ball versus this defense which is 31st in the league, that's a real number... if they run the ball then Roethlisberger can go passing deep and that's how you win the game"
Commentator said this almost literally, I think it was Jim Nantz, but I never pay attention to those names.
I'm glad he said it was a real number, because the Patriots run D has been mostly imaginary after Wilfork got injured.
It's complex, man.
Bell from PIT gets called for a chop block when he takes the legs out of a Patriot rushing him. I understand the concept of the "engaged player", but the rusher had blown by the PIT O-lineman and was well into the backfield. The "engaged" in this scenario was "lineman waved his hands in the direction of the defensive player".
Running back JUMP PASS to put the Bucs up 21-0 on Seattle.
Left trigger, pass button in NFL Street.
What the heck is going on with the rest of that game though? I know the Seahawks fumbled a kickoff, but 21-0 to the Bucs?!?
James has repeatedly gashed the Seahawks up the middle, and Glennon's had time and been picking them apart. It's been a shocking display.
Whatever happens in the rest of the game, Seattle looks like a deeply flawed team. The NFC looks like a crapshoot as far as what will happen in the playoffs...it's not too hard to predict who'll get in, but of the teams that are likely to make it I wouldn't be surprised with any result head-to-head.
All season long, Seattle has been a schizoid team. First half, awful, gut wrenching awful. Second half, unbeatable. The coaching staff has always been second to none in halftime adjustments since Carroll took over, but how can they get out game planned so bad by every single team they face in the first half. When Schiano out game plans you in the first half, you know you have to do better. Of course, the ridiculously bad PI call on ET in the first half that took away an INT and led to a Buc TD didn't help. We've come to expect that from Mr. Carey in Seattle, however. Then the Kearse fumble on the return setting up a quick second TD made this a much tougher game than it had to be.
But in the end, just once, I'd like to see Seattle come out like they've actually prepared for the game in the first half.
I wish I could say something classy and refutational, but that just wouldn't be our style. Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever.
The Eagles have put up 28 in the first half. That will make it a bit harder for Tanier to write his weekly 'Kelly's offense is overrated' section.
Maybe the Steelers should start to play straight defense and not have Polamalu gamble wrong on every play instead of worrying about his OCD'ing after ever single play.
43 on pit is really a liability out there these days. He should be cut.
Just wanted to say he should be a situational linebacker by now. Not a starting safety. But the next guy is Shamarko Thomas, a rookie. Robert Golden and Will Allen are not high flyers either.
By biggest problem with Polamalu is that he just plays halfheartedly, gives up on plays and he just gambles wrong all the time.
If you don't want to play, then don't. If you do, go 100% and see how long you hold up. Don't put the amplifier at 80 so you can half-ass yourself through another season.
And then, of course, he forces a turnover that gives the Steelers the ball in NE territory.
I just love how some people think that a team should cut a 5-time Pro Bowl player just like that, because he's obviously the biggest liability, unlike your OL, DL, or running game.
Yay he made one say 2pt play. While all game he has been costing you .05pts a snap, and .5pts when he gambles wrong very 6th play. This has always been the problem with him. People remember all the big plays that help, not the you sand paper cuts that bleed you. And who cares who he was 5 year ago. He is terrible right now and will likel be worse next year and that is what matters. The DL might not look as bad if the enemies players were actually covered.
Yeah, given how bad the CBs looked, how the pass rush stinks, and how poorly they held against the run, Polamalu is def the Steelers' biggest liability.
IDK, I only watched the first 3/4 of the game, but half the Patriots big plays he was out of position.
Never agreed with cutting him, he's just a liability in the passing game. Yes, he makes a play now and then, but he's only still starting because the Steelers play their veterans a long time. (and, who knows, because of the Pro Bowls)
There's a good and a bad to that.
The good thing is you play someone after his prime, but is still good, so you can upgrade other parts of the team.
The downside is that they play too long past their prime and become hit or miss players. And as a safety, a miss often means a TD. Of all positions, I think safety should be most consistent.
Nick Foles will probably be able to tie or break the record for most touchdown passes in a game if Chip Kelly wants him too. But, the Eagles are up by so much they might just run the ball the rest of the game.
CBS announcers rationalizing a body slam by a Raven defender long after an incomplete pass. "How does he know he doesn't have the ball?" Well, given that the receiver never had the ball, and that it was bouncing on the ground 10 yards away, asking for just a little awareness before a judo throw isn't asking all that much.
TB is stupid to Punt from Midfield with 20 Seconds left. They really think they have a better chance of winning in OT than converting 4th and 3/picking up 12 or so more yard to attempt the game winning FG????
TB is stupid I think sums up their coaching staff nicely.
So, who thought, in the 3x years (I think it was said), that the 2 modern NFL QB's that would throw for 7 TDs in one game would be Peyton Manning and Nick Foles (against the Ravens and the Raiders, respectively)? There's not much I would've said those two would have in common, but a TD passing record wouldn't have been my first thought if I was forced to throw out a possibility.
I would have gone with funny faces and Foles repeating Manning's neck injury, with NFL-record touchdown passes about 769th on the list.
with the changes in this sport, 8 TD passes are just around the corner....
Glad to see Jason Campbell have a good game today. Given how many flat-out awful QBs there are in the NFL, it seems that Campbell ought to have a job somewhere.
Now if only he can avoid the Weeden curse.
Greg Little finally came through, too (besides the penalty,) and Bess redeemed himself after last week's disaster.
Also, someone has to say it, Jim Mora speeches notwithstanding: they're right with the other wildcard contenders, and only 2 games back in their division. :)
And Orton too. Both those guys have to be one of the 25 best QB in the league.
I understand there isn't much upside with either, but you could certainly do worse.
I've never understood the Orton hate. It's not like he was a worldbeater here in Denver, as he had some awfully bad red zone difficulties, but at least the dude could get to the red zone. A team like the Browns or Jags would be a lot better with Orton taking snaps.
And Wilson makes his ninth 4th Quarter come from behind drive in just his 26th game. If they could only play as well in the first half as they do in the second half. Yet, however awful they've looked at times and that oline has got to be the NFL's worst offensive line, they're still 8-1 and their injured starters are coming back in a couple weeks. This team might hit its stride just in time for the playoffs.
Or this team may not have an offensive or defensive line good enough to beat some combination of SF, NO and GB (2 of those three) in the playoffs---- I would say one conclusion is just as valid as the other....
NO has shown they're capable of losing to the Jets. SF has been outscored by Seattle 71-16 in their last two meetings and were held to 13, 13 and 3 in their last three matchups. Green Bay needs a defense. Seattle, meanwhile, hasn't looked great, but they've won. So long as they keep doing that, the playoffs will come through Seattle and no matter how ugly they've looked at times, NOBODY can be considered a favorite over them there.
Cover Andre Johnson? Nah.
uh, well. That's a lousy start for Indy. I guess Keenum's Swagger (per Collinsworth) was enough to psych out Davis.
Texans finally look like the team that won the division last season. Where have they been?
Perhaps. Or the Colts look like a team that took too much time off -- dropped punt snap, no blocking on FG or punt. Not covering anyone deep.
Not sure I've ever seen a punter get that off after scrambling for a drop. Holy crap on his second punt! That Houston guy didn't get the ball at all, he hit the leg halfway through the kick with his stomach.
That is the worst missed call I've seen this year, no question.
Ah, even as a Colts fan I wouldn't call that the worst missed call. It's clearly a missed call, but the angle needed to see that is almost impossible for the ref.
No, that was.
Colts aren't doing too bad considering its 11 v 17 out there.
It's a fine line, but rule 12-2-9b suggests it's not roughing, because the defender arrived at the kicker prior to the ball being kicked. As such, it was the kick itself that resulted in contact. That's not a foul.
Uh, Chuck. You might not want to give the team the entire bye week off next year.
Well, that certainly wasn't what I would call conclusive...
Inexcusably poor officiating tonight. Has more than a whiff of The League Office Wants to Keep the AFC South Race Alive-ness.
Another double post
Well, Indy's not particularly good. New England had been decidedly mediocre until today. Denver's coach is out for a month-- or more-- and they have been vulnerable lately. Kansas City is a product of a horrible schedule. The Bengals are OK-- but losing to Miami the way they did with Dalton so undependable? (Flacco was, too, we thought) Seattle has played poorly twice in a row and has huge line problems. The Saints got whipped by the Jets. Green Bay is playing well but can they really defy injuries again a la 2010 and will their defense stand up when it really counts?
I think this may all still spin around to the 49ers-- they have the best team on both sides of the ball. But the early belief about the dominance of a few teams is obviously out the window in the "On Any Given Sunday" league.
And the team starting to show up a bit on the radar are the Panthers... They are playing as well as anyone now....
Seattle may have won ugly the past two weeks, but they gave up no sacks to TB today. NO only beat TB by 2. The Jets beat TB by 1. Seattle won by 3. And the Rams? Last year the Niners couldn't beat St. Louis but they still went to the Super Bowl. Seattle DID beat the Rams last week, despite their oline woes. Okung and Breno are coming back soon as is Harvin. I remember a certain Niner team beating NE in Foxboro only to get pasted royally in Seattle. I also remember a certain Niner team beating Green Bay only to get pasted again in Seattle so badly they were still reeling the next week.
Seattle sits atop the NFC. Until someone knocks them off, they're the favorites.
And now Kubiak's down.... Whether in pads or not a very risky business... Hope he's OK.
Talking but in pain and eyes closed. Tried to get up but couldn't.... Oh boy....
Hope Kubiak's okay. Could be a stroke, could be something much less severe. Don't really buy Wade Philip's statement that he's fine and is just making a "precautionary" trip to the hospital.
Then a completely missed H2H hit against DHB in the middle of the field that was a textbook spear.
This crew is easily the worst crew I've seen all year...no other crew is even close.
Al Michaels seems to think that, if you're down by 12 points, you should take the PAT instead of going for a 2-point conversion, because if you're down by 11, you're within "a TD and a field goal" but if you're down by 12, that's two TDs.
Of course what he's really saying is that you should put off going for the 2-point conversion until later. But he doesn't seem to realize that.
There is an argument for going for the PAT, but it's certainly not the one Al is using.
the real argument is Houston kicking a FG to make it a 14 pt game... Now it will be 15 and the Colts will have to go for two again...
and right on cue the Texans are in FG range....
Why on earth do these guys have such a problem with going for 2 there? "You know you have to go for 2 eventually so why do it here?" What does that even mean?
If even this announcing duo is going to be idiotic, we're in big trouble.
As indicated above that is not an absolute "go" situation for a 2 pt conversion-- with an entire quarter left to be played. But Michaels blew the reasoning...
Yes I was wrong. But now a missed figgie & a TD bomb flip the script.
and of course the FG is missed--- can anybody play this game?? Luck set up to bring them back now....
Anybody have Trent Richardson on their fantasy team?
"And it's a three-point lead for Indianapolis. Let's go down to Michelle Tafoya for an update on coach Kubiak. Michelle?"
"Al, now it's a heart attack..."
I loathe the anti-winning.. i mean anti-losing strategy of running out the clock with 3 runs up the middle. Can't they please come up with something less obvious sometimes?
As impressive as the Texans were in the first half, this 2nd half is such a disappointment.
Were the Texans really that impressive in first half? It was more "chuck it in the direction of Andre Johnson". While that admittedly did work out for them in the first half, it doesn't seem like a sound long term offensive scheme.
Not just the offense - the defense held the Colts to 3 points and the special teams blocked a FG attempt. On the whole, they were playing with a lot of energy and confidence.
Maybe the Texans should get a better kicker?
Smoke from burning Randy Bullock effigies causing airport and traffic delays in greater Houston area.
Uh-oh. Aaron Rodgers is out of tonight's game. Word on Twitter is possibly a broken clavicle (collarbone) in his non-throwing shoulder. Alternatives include AC joint sprain (bad) or SC joint sprain (very bad). The Twitter stuff is mostly conjecture, but even the guesses of Jene Bramel and David Chao are usually pretty good.
I have no idea how severe those are for a non-throwing shoulder. What's the prognosis for each of those scenarios?
It depends on the severity of the fracture or sprain. If it's a displaced fracture, that could mean surgery and potentially IR. A non-displaced fracture usually means around a month in a sling; he'd potentially be back in about six weeks. SC joint sprain could between two and six weeks depending on severity, or more with complications (subluxation, dislocation). It's been suggested that the least likely injury is an AC joint sprain, which is shorter: probably 2-4 weeks. It's possible to play through a mild AC joint sprain, as Tom Brady did in the playoffs at the end of the 2011 season, but the injury really needs six weeks of rest to heal properly.
[Usual "I'm not a doctor" disclaimer.]
He's back on the sideline in a tracksuit. No sling or visible support, which is a good sign.
That's possibly the only good thing that Shea McClellin has ever done for the Bears.
Packers are now without what most people would consider to be their 3 best players - Rodgers, Matthews, Cobb. Also down to 2 healthy OLBs. What else can go wrong?
“Treat a man as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a man as he could be, and he will become what he should be.”
Seneca Wallace! Josh McCown!
Somewhere, an ESPN executive is drinking heavily.
You spelled "every Packers fan" wrong.
Regardless of the outcome of this game, when was the last time the Packers ST outplayed the Bears ST?
You're taunting Devin Hester.
Some of us remember when the Packers where a passing team. Week 8 of 2013
Bears fans, how bad is the Bears run defence this season? In other words, how excited should I get about this utter dominance in Packers running game?
It's missing both starting DTs and its best linebacker.
Three weeks ago, Brandon Jacobs ran for 106 yards against it.
Two weeks ago, Washington ran for over 200.
"It's missing both starting DTs and its best linebacker."
The same blueprint that the Patriots are using.
Except the Bears don't have Tom Brady.
Topic was rushing defense.
My point was that Brady is the best defense the Patriots have with Wilfork out.
GB will not win a single game without Rodgers. They are looking at probably 5-11 if out the rest of the year
Just as long as they don't get a shot at Clowney.
It'll be tough because they let Matt Flynn go, but they still have easy games against the Vikings and Falcons. They can still get 8 wins easily.
Well, Flynn just got released, so there is that.
So, I guess DVOA will get to continue to grotesquely overrate the Bears.
Yes because blocked punts and surprise onside kicks are all entirely repeatable statically speaking.
Ummm, they will get credit for beating a team that typically includes the best QB in football. Instead they played Seneca Wallace. Ain't quite the same.
During the GB-Minn game, Rodgers made plays that no one else makes. Not Peyton, not Brady, not Brees. He made WRs open who were actually blanketed. it was ridiculous. Without him, GB is a shell of itself offensively, especually with Cobb and Finley out. They are basically no Indy post-Manning (pre-Luck).
So yeah, Chicago is going to get a DVOA boost they don't deserve.
I doubt it.
They are going to get credit for holding the Green Bay Packers to 113 yards passing on 21 attempts with an INT and 5 sacks. Unfortunately, DVOA is going to think this was done against the Aaron Rodgers Packers rather than the Seneca Wallace Packers. Big difference.
Rodgers had almost a quarter of the yards Wallace did in almost ten times fewer chances. Neat how that works no?
DVOA already thinks the Bear's passing defense is bad, it's the rushing defense propping it up.
25th against the pass, 9th against he run. It's going to go down this week.
You are aware that Rodgers left the game after getting sacked, he didn't just trip.
DVOA will continue to radically overrate CHI's Defense which might be a bottom 5 caliber D at the moment
I'm not sure. The Packers rushed for 8 yards per carry.
GB also had a few pretty long runs which DVOA does not penalize as much as a long string of 5 yard carries
Seems like the Packers had a pretty consistently good running game overall, so your point about the long runs stands but it's not like they had huge runs interspersed with failures. Also, the Bears D allowed plenty of successful passing plays...they just got off the field when it counted and made a couple of big plays (the INT and the sack near the end).
No doubt about it, the Bears defense is bad. If Rodgers is indeed out for a while, the Lions have to be salivating over the fact that the division would be theirs to lose despite the identical 5-3 records. (As a Bears fan, it's a bizarre position to be in that Cutler is apparently likely to come back next week, and that doesn't really affect my optimism for the rest of the season. Small sample size and all, but I think the Bears have shown that thanks largely to the rest of their offense they can do okay with McCown...too bad they're screwed on defense).
You mean grotesquely overrate the Bears Defense.
The offense is actually pretty good.
For all of you saying the Packers defense really is bad ... yes, yes it is.
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