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09 Aug 2010

What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?

Darrelle Revis isn't ROBO-PUNTER, but last year, he played about as well as you can expect a cornerback to play in the NFL. The numbers inside the Jets chapter of FOA 2010 suggest that he was just under three standard deviations better than the average NFL cornerback, and that combining his usage rate (via targets) and level of performance places his totals among the best single-season performances in league history.

And now he's holding out. So my question -- how much would you pay Revis if you were Mike Tannenbaum? Or, perhaps, a better question: What would be the line where you wouldn't be willing to pay Revis? And what would you require in a trade if you dealt Revis to a team that is willing to give him the contract he wants?

Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 09 Aug 2010

41 replies , Last at 13 Aug 2010, 8:53pm by TheRealJosh

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by John (not verified) :: Mon, 08/09/2010 - 7:48pm

Probably help if the main page blurb actually linked here...

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by cisforcookie (not verified) :: Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:05pm

as a baltimore fan, I can't help thinking that if we traded for revis he would finish the season on IR. I recall reading someplace that cornerbacks suffered injuries at by far the highest rate of any position on the field. Worse, a greater than normal proportion of those injuries were knee injuries. Sports medicine and injury prevention (including turf/field quality) still has a hell of a long way to go in my mind.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by mvhuber :: Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:06pm

I think the Jets need to be prepared to pay Revis at least in line with Nnamdi Asomugha's contract even if the Asomugha deal is completely out of whack. I would suspect there is a substantial amount of salary cap jockeying that would be required to make it work. However, I don't think they can afford to lose him. He's the best defensive player in the league at 25 years old. He has at least 5 years left in his prime and could be very similar to Darrell Green in terms of long-term production if he stays healthy.

If the Jets were to consider trading him, I think you could warrant at least 3 first-round picks. If you assume that the "success rate" for first round picks is 50% (and that's probably high), you would get 1.5 successful starters in the trade. Plus, you would have to assume that it would next at least one full year for those 1-2 picks to get to a "starter" level. That risk associated with trading Revis and time lag to get that player at a starting level would justify the request for 3 first rounders and frankly, that might be light.

The Jets face a real dilemma. Do they risk Revis holding out for the entire year and jeopardizing their title chances, or do they sign Revis and restrict their ability to re-sign Mangold, Harris, etc? I think ultimately the best course of action is to sign him at whatever cost.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by tuluse :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 2:42am

I would be scared because cornerback seems like a position with a lot of variability year-to-year.

That said, I think he is clearly better than Samual who got 10 million a year with 41% guaranteed. So I think somewhere between that and Asomugha's 15 per year, 55% guaranteed.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by John (not verified) :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 3:16am

I would give him 10-12 million a year with about half guaranteed, but over 3 or 4 years. No 8 year monster deal, or whatever he might be seeking. Length of contract would be the big issue for me, unless a smaller percentage of the money were guaranteed with each subsequent season.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by FooBarFooFoo (not verified) :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 3:26am

Trade him for two first round picks. The Asomugha deal is ridiculous, however, looking at the way the top contracts did increase the past years, it may not look that bad in two years (if there is football).

On the other hand, if the contract looks just average in two years, he'll start crying all over. No-win. Even though he is "the real deal", it's not worth giving him QB money. That'll ruin the whole salary structure of the team.

And which mega deal did in fact work out the past years? Maybe Jake Long.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by billvv (not verified) :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 7:45am

As the GM, I say he sticks to the three years remaining on his contract and we'll see if he is as good this year as he was last. I'm not paying one million this year, as has been reported. Money was moved to the front of the contract, making it seem as though it were one million. After this year, two big paydays would be waiting for Revis, and, with a new CBA, I would be willing to take his play this year into consideration and review the final two years. If there is a lock-out, we'll have to see.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by Mr Shush :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 8:34am

Well, I would say that the most serious other candidate for "best defensive player in football" is DeMarcus Ware, who at age 27 last season signed a 7 year, $79m contract with $41m guaranteed. Now, Revis is two years younger than Ware was, and plays a position at which players can arguably be elite until a later age. It's also fair to say that I think Ware is probably still quite good value at c. $11m/year, and there's always a little inflation to account for. I wouldn't bat an eyelid at offering him 7 years, $90m, $45m guaranteed. I'd probably be prepared to go a little higher than that, maybe even into the realms of a 7 year contract averaging what Asomugha averages on his three year deal. Revis is a unique player. Mangold and Harris are just very good ones.

In trade, it would have to be an offer so large that its specific content would vary depending on the team making it. First and second round picks this year and next from a sucky team, maybe (but why would a sucky team make that offer?) or first and second round picks this year and next and a youngish pro bowl calibre player from a good team. Ngata, Suggs, a two and a three? More, frankly, than I think anyone actually would offer.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by Rusty G. (not verified) :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 12:41pm

You have to give some recognition to the fact that Ware played out a greater portion of his initial contract, securing himself greater leverage and a more favorable bargaining position. He also secured that contract after a more sustained period of elite performance, although this might be debatable. Revis was quite good in '08 as well.

In contrast, Revis is attempting to hold out in an earlier stage of his contract, after (I would argue) a less sustained period of having outperformed his rookie contract, and with the looming CBA issues.

I would be hard pressed to consider anything out of the range of 7 years/$75 million with somewhere around $35 million guaranteed.

There's really no reasonable trade. But in the spirit of Madden being out today, I am in favor of making stupid trade suggestions with impunity:

- Maybe the Jets could trade-and-sign for Vincent Jackson, and you take a #1 and #2 pick along with him.

- Jonathan Joseph, Andre Smith and a #1? Throw in a bag of chips, and make sure Andre doesn't eat them.

- Tashard Choice, Anthony Spencer and a #3?

This is all very silly, of course.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by DA Baracus (not verified) :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 10:44am

"last year, he played about as well as you can expect a cornerback to play in the NFL."

You have some really unrealistically high expectations if that's what you expect a CB to play like.

Asante Samuel/Dunta Robinson money is what I'd give him. I think his 2009 season isn't very repeatable, but he was a really good corner before last year and he'll continue to be a really good one.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by UTchamps (not verified) :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 11:19am

Revis is leaps and bounds better than Dunta Robinson. The big problem here is the Ashomugha contract throwing the CB value out of whack. The elephant in the room is that in the 46 defense CBs are often left on an island and expected to cover WRs with no help. An elite CB is a real luxury with the defensive system the Jets are running and allows them to do whatever they want as far as rushing the passer. I would try to lock him down for a good bit less than Ashomugha but more than other CBs in the league. Try to establish a more reasonable max contract for an elite CB. Take the Texans tack with other players wanting a new deal and tell them when you play up to the top player in the league at your position we'll sign you to a new contract. Otherwise you deal with the same process as everyone else in the league.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by DA Baracus (not verified) :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 1:48pm

"Revis is leaps and bounds better than Dunta Robinson."

If you expect him to repeat his 2009 performance, yes. But if you don't, he's "merely" a better CB, but not Asomugha level of pay better--no one is. I'll take Revis over Robinson every time, and Robinson is overpaid to begin with. But the question isn't "who is as good as Revis" it's "how much would you pay Revis." To which my answer is something in line with Robinson and Samuel. He'll wind up getting more, but it's not my money or problem.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by Jimmy :: Wed, 08/11/2010 - 9:15am

As far as I understand Rex Ryan's book, Revis will hardly ever be on an island. It is myth that Revis Island even exists. Revis (like every other corner in this scheme) will almost always have safeties and linebackers dropping into zones around him. He does an excellent job of using those players to give him leverage in coverage but that implies pretty strongly that he isn't on an island. The Jets don't zero blitz very often (like every other team in the league).

He is still a fine player. Why on earth did the Jets even bring a new contract up with three years left on his deal?

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by hbh_uk :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 10:51am

More than Samuel but less than Asomugha seems right: perhaps 5 years, 65M with 32-35M guaranteed? I agree with the idea that length of contract is important here. Giving him five years seems about right. Asomugha also gets a premium for signing a shorter contract, thereby assuming the risk that he will get injured or lose value.

I am all for players getting everything they can out of the teams, since they will be dropped without hesitation if they lose form or fitness, but using Asomugha as the yardstick only makes sense if Revis is willing to sign a 3-year deal.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by brooks (not verified) :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 11:39am

if i'm tannebaum i pay him inline with nnamdi which probably gets deal done. since he is in the top 2 at one of the most important positions in the game(he and asomugha are 1 and 1A) and he is vital to my team defense i get this resolved as soon as possible. trading him would not be an option as he is a known commodity and no gm would give up what i would consider fair value.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by ginger :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 11:51am

What is it that makes him worth so much and 3 sds better than average? Easier to see what Peyton or Larry F does that no-one else does (as well)..

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by stay firm (not verified) :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 3:23pm

Last year, passes where he was targeted averaged 3.9 YPA. To put that in perspective, the two worst QBs in the NFL who saw significant playing time (not counting poor Keith Null), JaMarcus Russel and Brady Quinn, averaged around 5.2 YPA. Basically, passes where Revis was targeted, (passes that were intended mostly for #1 receivers as well) were far less successful than your average JaMarcus Russel pass. That and he was targeted very often, which increased his value considerably.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by Karl Cuba :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 12:21pm

Firstly, I don't think that he is better than Asomugha to the extent that people think. He plays in a better defense and with an offense that lead the league in rushing, these things will help a cornerback. Those of us who can remember longer than 12 months will recall that Asomugha was having the same things said about him (he may be the best ever etc.). While 46 corners do get asked to play man-free or deep thirds with no safety help a lot, they do usually get an asssist from a decent pass rush.

Secondly, the Asomugha deal is bloated and is no comparison to the Revis situation. Asomugha was a free agent who'd been tagged for one year already, so his tag was inflated as a result of its reapplication. The Raiders then paid him three times this inflated tag for three years, which was crazy but they had no choice other than to let him leave. Revis is not in this situation, he can sit out as long as he likes but he will have to play 3 more years before he gets to the position Asomugha was in.

If Revis wants to do a deal like Asomugha then the Jets should approach the negotiation in a similar manner to the 49ers with Joe Staley. Give him the market deal as he percieves it, $45m- 3 years, and roll it into his existing 3 year deal. He's due about £22m over the remaining three years of his original contract so you'd end up with a 6 year, $67 million contract with a £33 million bonus this year. I don't see how that isn't a fair deal for both sides.

What is Revis worth in a trade? I couldn't see anyone giving up more than the Bears gave up for Cutler, who was at the time regarded as a 25 year old Pro bowl qb.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by jbrown (not verified) :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 1:23pm

Once again Karl I agree with you almost spot on. I remember Nmandi getting a lot of "best ever" talk and then somehow being forgotten quickly.

What I look at with the Nmandi deal is this: He was essentially the #1 CB when he signed his ridiculous deal, and how much better have the Raiders been for it? It seems pretty clear to me that an elite CB (even an all-time great) can't have the impact that an elite QB like Manning has on a game so the pay shouldn't be near it. Should he be comparable to AJ/Fitzgerald? Sure, I could see that argument since his purpose is to effectively counter one of those guys.

A really simple example in the mindset of Risk - If your opponent spends $10 to build up an elite force at one position (WR) instead of an average one for ~$5, how much are you willing to pay to counter that? Anything more than $10 and you are losing some efficiency there, and anywhere near $20 and you are just hurting yourself elsewhere.

This really reminds me of the good ole days with Empire Earth...

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by Bright Blue Shorts :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 12:31pm

To me Revis is worth about $10 per hour if he wants to come cut my lawn. However if I was a football GM, I'd be looking to pay him somewhere in the region of $12 million per year given that that's what #2 best paid CB - Champ Bailey makes. Scrabble's contract is just complete rubbish from a market value perspective. I'd probably also look to lock up Revis into his 30s and backload the contract with money he will never earn because I'd cut him before that happened if he wasn't willing to renegotiate ...

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by MJK :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 12:48pm

A couple of things to remember:

* In estimating his trade value, it's not just a simple matter of "he's better than an average starter, so we need to get 3 first round picks at a 50% success rate to equal 1.5 starters to offset him". The question is not what his value is, but what the Jets could expect other teams to give up if they can't reach a deal with him. And the fact that they can't reach a deal with him tells other teams that he's asking for sky-high money, which lowers his value to them, meaning they'll offer less. Teams regularly get less for a player than he is worth in trades...Jay Cutler, Matt Cassel, etc. spring to mind. Also, you talk about his value to the Jets...if he holds out, his value to the Jets is zero, so something is better than nothing.

* Part of the problem Tannenbaum has is that his head coach keeps mouthing off to the media about how Revis walks on water. Obviously, that's going to make Revis ask for more money. I think Ryan is a good coach, but his mouth certainly makes life difficult sometimes.

* No matter how good Revis is, every position has a finite maximum value (as discussed in the ROBO-Punter thread) relative to the other values on the team. In short, having the greatest CB ever is only slightly more beneficial than having a merely above-average CB in the same position...so even if Revis is, say, three times better than Asante Samuel, diminishing returns mean that he's probably only worth about half again as much, if that.

* Finally, folks are talking about spoiling the Jets "title chances". I think that's getting a little ahead of ourselves, given not a down of football has been played. I may be in a minority (and am badly biased by my team loyalties), but I don't think the Jets are anywhere close to the leading contender for winning the SB that everybody seems to think they are. They added a lot of flashy veterans in the offseason...how well has that worked out for the Redskins year in and year out? They had a great defense last year...but we know defenses tend to vary a lot from year to year, and regression to the mean tends to hit defenses harder than offenses. For that matter, they weren't as good as everyone seem to think they were last year...they were gifted a playoff birth by a bunch of other teams, and rode a couple games of hot play moderately deep into the playoffs. They had a weak offense and will have a second year QB known for being careless with the ball ripe for a sophomore slump, a starting RB that has only shown half a season of skill, and a locker room that could explode at the first sign of something not going well. I don't think not signing Revis is going to torpedo an otherwise sure SB winner...

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by tuluse :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 6:17pm

The Broncos got 2 first round picks, a 3rd round pick, and an average starting QB for Cutler. I don't see how a player could be worth much more.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by Bright Blue Shorts :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 1:30pm

Revis is still under contract and another 3(?) years, isn't he?

In the end the Jets don't have to give him a new contract. Revis has to come back or he will just be a year older and have lost a season's money. However badly paid for his position he might be ... those few million dollars will still be hard to recoup in future contracts ... especially as if he doesn't play, the missed year doesn't count against the contract.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by Scizzy (not verified) :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 3:01pm

This cuts both ways. If the Jets don't get Revis onto the field and miss out on the playoffs or more, they'll have cost themselves tens of millions of dollars that will literally be impossible to recoup.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by TV_Pete (not verified) :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 3:41pm

I think the Jets are in a fine position to wait. I think that I would pay in the $8 per year range. There is a great deal of variability in CB performance, so I don't see him being "the best" for all of the next 4-6 years. Champ Bailey did well as a CB who was willing to tackle.

I'd take less than almost anyone (i.e. 1st and 2nd round) for him if I am convinced he will not play this year and may not play next year. I'd make it clear to him what is reasonable.

Either he plays or we let him talk trade. That being said, this is obviously the most cost-efficient year for his contract. Why would you give that up?

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by Biebs (not verified) :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 4:51pm

Revis would have to be pretty confident he's going to get paid to sit out. From the way everyone's talking, there won't be a 2011 season. If Revis pulls a Sean Gilbert (whom he's being advised by), then you are looking at a Cornerback sitting out two full seasons, he value diminished, and still being at least one year away from being an unrestricted free agent.

There is no way the Jets are going to make a trade before the 2011 lockout/strike. It's simply not good business. THey are most likely to get draft picks, and maybe a good player or pro bowler. I don't see them getting a all-pro level player for this season and trading Revis for draft picks (even a boatload) before the season starts makes no sense (especially considering the lockout situation).

I also think there is a lot of posturing going on. There are holdouts that last into the pre-season schedule every year. I think it's far too early to get too excited by this. My guess is that they reach some sort of agreement towards the end of August.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by Ryan C. (not verified) :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 5:44pm

Priceless. He is in a class by himself. In a league where, between QBs getting so much better, systems being so much more complex, and WRs being SO much bigger, stronger, and faster than they used to be, we may as well scrap the term shut down corner in today' game. There are none left. Except for Darrelle Revis. No one knows how goos Nnamdi really is because the rest of his defense has been so bad over the past 5 years that it's easy to avoid him. Revis is not the last of a dying breed, he is the last of a dead breed. I don't think I'd go $15m per year, but if top WRs are worth close to $10m, and Revis can completely nullify their existence, then he has to be worth at least that. If I'm the Jets there are 10 guys league wide I'd listen to as far as a trade for Revis goes, not one on defense, and all as laughable to conceive getting rid of as Revis.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by Karl Cuba :: Wed, 08/11/2010 - 10:18am

Revis doesn't play more man coverage than the rest of the league. On the majority of the plays in a 46 defense his read will be the first inside receiver on his side of the field, usually the TE. He then drops to different parts of the field depending on that read. He's very good at it but that doesn't mean we should buy into the utterly uninformed media hype and acknowledge that 'Revis Island' is a reality. The Jets do go man-free but much less than most people think.

Plus a corner is less valuable than a WR because it's the offense that dictates personnel. They can choose to put 4 WRs on the field if they choose, dramatically reducing the influence of any cornerback.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by TheRealJosh (not verified) :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 6:34pm

He's worth eleventy-billion dollars per year.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by Theo :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 7:36pm

Peyton Manning + Reggie Wayne and 2 first rounders and the entire MLS.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by JetsFan (not verified) :: Tue, 08/10/2010 - 10:16pm

If Revis sits out this year, he also misses 2011.
How good will he be after missing 2 years?
Lets say he starts out slow but improves towards the end in 2012, how much will teams be willing to offer him?
And because he sat out this year, the Jets will still have rights to him!

2010 - 0
2011 - 0
2012 - I dont know how the contracts work, does he get 15mm? or some other money?
2013 - Jets still have rights to him

And they can sue him to recover some of his signing bonus for sitting out this season.

Revis has *A LOT* to lose. The Jets lose out too, but Revis is really screwed.

I am hoping they can make a deal like "here is 5MM, play this season"
If Revis says no, then let him make 0 for 2 years, get sued and have to pay back a little, make money one year, and then the Jets can decide what to do with him the following year. The Jets can offer him the league minimum in 2013, let him sit out that year too. The Jets wont get as much trade value for him after he misses 2 years, even if he has a somewhat above average year in 2012.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by TheRealJosh (not verified) :: Wed, 08/11/2010 - 8:45am

I'm going to update the offer. 11ty billion dollars, WNBA, and all the BBQ he can eat.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by scottyb (not verified) :: Wed, 08/11/2010 - 6:38pm

From what I understand to be the case (and of course, I could have it wrong- please correct me if I do):

If he plays (and the 2011 season happens) Revis gets $1m guaranteed this year, and then $10m guaranteed in each of 2011 and 2012, and is a UFA in 2013. So, he's "guaranteed" $21m over 3 years. That's Tannenbaum's starting point.

I heard if Revis holds out past week 6, he loses a year towards FA status, and his contract was written so a portion of his 2011-2012 becomes non-guaranteed. So, Revis stands to lose more than just his $1m 2010 contract, plus the labor uncertainty both sides face.

Tannenbaum reportedly offered a $5m roster bonus for this year, bringing his 2010 salary to $6m, and keeping the rest of the contract intact. Revis declined. Reportedly, Revis offered a 10-year contract proposal at about $15m per, with a significant portion guaranteed. Jets declined.

I think a good compromise would be:
2010- increase from $1m to $10m
2011- keep the same
2012- keep the same
2013- $10 (buying out 1 year of free-agency)

Neither will go for it, though.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by junks (not verified) :: Thu, 08/12/2010 - 2:12am

re- karl cuba. i am to tired to go into details and junks. But you are wrong on pretty much every word that was uttered in you post. Revis does in fact match against the other teams best rec. prob more, no def more then any other def. back in football. i saw all but one of the jets games last year, and he had what i really believe was one of the most dominating years on d in the history of the nfl. Ever. With this in mind, he is wrong with this hold out. I would go 40 mil gurranteed, 6 years 80 mil. One last thing , i dont get why player dont realize the trick is to not price your self out of the contract in the latter years so the team will not make you a salary cap cut.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by Karl Cuba :: Thu, 08/12/2010 - 9:41am

Read Rex Ryan's book on the 46 then get back to me. Lining up opposite a receiver doesn't always mean man coverage. The entire point of the scheme is to confuse people.

Don't get me wrong, I think Revis is a superb corner and probably the best in the game today but I do think a lot of people are getting too worked up over his play last season.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by TheRealJosh (not verified) :: Thu, 08/12/2010 - 10:18am

He lost out on a year of free agent eligibility per CBA a player under contract must report by Aug 10th. A player such as a player with an unsigned RFA tender, franchise, or transition tag must report by week 10. See NFLLabor.com to read more or just Google it.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by Torn_cuff (not verified) :: Thu, 08/12/2010 - 10:54am

As a Jets' fan, I hope they play hardball with him. Hardball being, a nice raise from one million this year, but not this silly Scrabble/Robinson money that hurts a team long term when the inevitable fall off starts to occur. The Jets defense will not be as good without him, but it won't fall off the map. Its a team defense, not predicated by needing the end all be all of corners to work. The offense should improve, hopefully taking some of the pressure off the defense.

It's a great bargaining position for his agents, and they are doing there job. The Jets' schedule (first 3 games at least) is front loaded with passing teams, so if the holdout goes into the season, and the Jets start 0-1, 0-2, 0-3....then Revis gets to cripple the money on the team. Rex and the public will start crying and they will have to make a move.

I know he had a great year last year, but I always thought that corners are kind of like pitchers with wins. Their peripherals can be great, and they are highly visible (even more so when they make mistakes). It seems like Revis is getting all the credit for a good defensive system. You need alot of other good parts to win.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by t.d. :: Fri, 08/13/2010 - 1:45am

Great cornerback play has been obviously essential to the Raiders the last few years, so they should break the bank for him (meanwhile the Colts made a Super Bowl with two street free agents starting at corner, and the Pats won a few years back with Troy Brown in the secondary).

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by tuluse :: Fri, 08/13/2010 - 2:21am

There are many ways to build teams, and first step is usually keeping the good players you have.

The Colts and Patriots also have two guys named Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. You might have heard of them.

Not to mention you're ignoring Ty Law who was very very good with the Patriots, and the Saint's made the jump to elite primarily by improving secondary play.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by t.d. :: Fri, 08/13/2010 - 10:59am

The Saints didn't improve by spending a lot of money on the secondary. Jabari Greer and Darren Sharper had age/injury questions and they were playing in schemes that didn't suit them.

Re: What Is Darrelle Revis Worth?
by TheRealJosh (not verified) :: Fri, 08/13/2010 - 8:53pm

Darren Sharper wasn't doing poorly in Minnesota. He had an off year, so they cut him. This ended up being great for NO who got 3 TDs and 9 picks from his coverage. -Cue the Packers fans saying he's washed up and was long before he left GB.

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