Talk amongst yourselves
12 Jun 2009
Today's question -- with the impending release of Michael Vick, let's assume he's eligible to play in most of the 2009 season.
Where should he go play? Who would be a good fit?
Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 12 Jun 2009
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16 Jun 2009, 3:05pm by
I don't think there is a good fit anywhere. Is he even in football shape? Prison food and conditioning programs do not seem to be top-notch...
As a Redskins fan, I can only pray that Snyder doesn't try to sign him to a long term deal, as I am certain he is considering doing. NO NO NO!!!
"Just look at that pumpkin."
-John Madden, looking at the moon.
Your fear appears, for now at least, to be unfounded:
It's gotta be Oakland, right?
It has to be. Davis must be licking his chops right now.
Vikings or Rams.
Canada or UFL.
I hear that Denver wants more running backs.
Vikings is probably best fit. Patriots might be most likely.
Cowboys. Jerry Jones misses the spotlight.
While I wouldn't overly mind the Patriots picking Vick up, and I can see Belicheck looking at him as a gimmick running back to touch the ball maybe ten times a game, I seem to recall Mrs. Kraft having some issues in the past with "questionable character" folks. The Patriots are one of the few teams with enough goodwill in the community, a (recent) record of redeeming troublemakers, and a strong enough coach to possibly make it work.
I'd guess Zombie Davis as the one who actually signs Vick, though. After all, he was fast.
Theres just nowhere for the pats to play him though:
Hes not playing QB.
They've got too many RBs already (Maroney, Morris, Taylor, Faulk, BJGE) who are all better RB than he'd most likely be. (Can Vick catch? Can he run up the middle? Can he block?)
They just Drafted Edelman to play ST/Slash/whatever.
Theres no room at WR.
They drafted a whole bunch of kick returner type guys.
Theres just no room for him without cutting someone who projects to playing an actual position. That, and having Vick will certainly hurt sales at the Patriot Place shopping plaza.
I could almost hit Patriot Place with a rock from my yard... Vick being there would have absolutely no bearing on sales at a shopping plaza that is deserted more often than not to begin with.
There is simply no possibility that Vick will be a starter or even a primary backup in the NFL this year. He was never even an adequate passer, has insufficient time to learn the system and has questionable intellect and work ethic. CFL doesn't really suit because it is a passing league.
His options are (i) the UFL - if he wants a chance to prove that he can be a conventional quarterback in the NFL or (ii) (perhaps) coming back to the NFL as a "Wildcat QB" playing 5-10 snaps a game and maybe some special teams.
Making the (vast) assumption that he is in shape and not banned, I lke option (ii). No franchise should hand over the keys to someone as unreliable as Vick, but in "the Wildcat" he could be a real threat, given that he has the arm strength to keep defences honest in a way that say, Ronnie Brown or Josh Cribbs, canot.
On that basis, I think any team with a "Wildcat" package should be showing (conditional) interest in giving him a training camp audition and seeing if he is worth a roster spot in that role.
Josh Cribbs, the all-time leader in pass completions, pass attempts and passing yards (among a number of other records) for Kent State doesn't have the arm to keep a defense honest with the WIldcat????
If the Vikings weren't courting Princess Loretta (or whatever we decided he should be called) I could see them bringing Vick in and using Jackson and Vick in a wildcat heavy playbook. Yeah you might get your QB hurt but neither of them are all that good anyway and you just plug the other one in. If they could add Tebow as well next year and just use an Urban Meyer style playbook (or simply hire Urban Meyer). Tebow as the starting QB with Peterson and Harvin lined up next to him in the backfield. If you had Jackson and Vick to back up Tebow you wouldn't have to worry about your QBs getting hurt.
Is Jackson really a Wildcat QB? He is mobile but (according to SI) ran in the high 4.6s prior to being drafted, which is not nearly as fast as, say, Ronnie Brown. Seems to me that there is a difference between a QB who can make plays on the run and someone who has the HB-type speed to be a success in the Wildcat. If fit, Vick is the latter.
I take your point but didn't Brian Westbrook run a similar time because he would be plenty quick enough to operate the Wildcat.
40 times are probably a pretty poor guide to "football speed". But watching game footage of "T-Jack" he also looks like he has mobile-QB speed (e.g. Vince Young) rather than HB speed (which was Vick's almost-unique selling point at the position).
I believe it was five years ago that LaDanian Tomlinson was asked on WFAN in New York whether he was the greatest current runningback. He said no because Michael Vick, though a 'QB,' was the better RB. He said he would be good at making cuts and reading a defense through the eyes of a RB, not QB.
By all means, LaDainian Tomlinson is a far better running back than I am, and therefore, people are justified in treating him as a greater authority than me on running back ability.
However, I would like to say that I think his assertion is ridiculous. Vick would get killed on runs between the tackles. He has little power; he just benefits from keeping tacklers off balance with the threat of throwing.
Not to mention the fact that he absolutely cannot hold the ball against his body. He would take a lot of coaching to become a real RB.
Agreed. Vick was the best runner in the league, not the best running back.
I call bullcrap on that.
If a QB has the ball, the defense is in pass mode. So the field is stretched and running becomes easy.
On the other hand, when a running back... ... do I need to finish?
(It really sounds like you're agreeing with me, but OK. Basically, I was saying Tomlinson's statement was unfounded and Vick was overrated.)
Cleveland - the fans will love him
Your name is hurtful to me and jokes about the Dog Pound are very cruel.
"Christian Peter was drafted by the New England Patriots in the fifth round of the 1996 NFL Draft. Only a month before the draft, he notched his eighth conviction in seven years, this time for grabbing a woman by the throat in a Kearney, Nebraska bar. The pick set off a firestorm of criticism from the Boston area press, Patriots fans and women's groups. After learning more about Christian's violent history, the Patriots relinquished the rights to Christian only a week after the draft. The team said that Christian's behavior was "incompatible with our organization's standards of acceptable conduct." According to The Boston Globe, Myra Kraft, the wife of Patriots owner Robert Kraft, personally demanded that the team cut all ties with Peter."
No matter how dog lovers want to view it, abusing a woman is worse than killing dogs.
And that guy was a 5th round pick that was never going to make the roster anyway. It was as much marketing as it was football.
I figure him for a reality show on the Fox Network. Tentative title could be "Michael Vick's Dog Pound."
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