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22 Aug 2012

WR/RB/TE Flex Position

Is there any way to set up the rankings to include TE along with wr/rb for the flex spot?

Posted by: jaw4527 on 22 Aug 2012

2 replies , Last at 23 Aug 2012, 12:30pm by Zac

Re: WR/RB/TE Flex Position
by Aaron Schatz :: Thu, 08/23/2012 - 10:31am

I believe I may have answered this in another thread; I know I've answered it in e-mails that people send us.

We have never been able to figure out a way to do either

a) two separate flex positions
b) a flex position that includes TE along with WR and RB

You'll notice that when you have a flex position, the baseline for WR and RB becomes the same. That's why we can't have two separate flex positions -- if there were, for example, a RB/WR position and a WR/TE position, we would have to figure out a way to compare players at WR to two separate baselines.

For tight end, there is a similar issue. If you have TE as part of a flex position, we now are comparing tight ends to a higher WR/TE/RB baseline than we would be using for tight ends alone. This is going to mess up the valuations of tight ends for your tight end-only spot.

For example, using KUBIAK as of 8/20 with the default scoring, the baseline for flex is 118 points. The baseline for tight end is 94 points. If we added tight end to the flex position, the baseline for all three positions would be the 72nd player -- a lot of players are tied there, the baseline would be 110 points. Now for your tight end position, every tight end would be listed 16 points higher in value over baseline. This would also mess up the ability to use the "waiver adjustment" which drops tight ends closer to their ADP by conventional wisdom.

If anyone has a solution to this issue that we can put in place for 2013, please feel free to e-mail us at mailbag-at-footballoutsiders.com. Please note that we're much more likely to see an e-mail than we are to see (and remember) that you've posted a long explanation of a possible change here on the message board.


Re: WR/RB/TE Flex Position
by Zac :: Thu, 08/23/2012 - 12:30pm

Presumably jaw4527, you have a TE-only starting position. If that wasn't the case, you could take care of this by combining TE with WR.

Without that simplification, you're going to have to do a little bit of thinking. Set up the KUBIAK settings for your league, and list the RB/WR/TE flex as just a RB/WR flex. Also set Waiver Adjustment to 3, because setting it to 2 doesn't make any sense if TE is included in the flex. Hit Generate. Go to the Baselines tab and see how the Flex baseline compares to the TE baseline. If the TE baseline is below or approximately equal to the Flex baseline, this means that TEs don't score enough to be worth drafting at the flex position and you can leave the settings the way they are.

If the TE baseline is quite a bit above the WR baseline (for instance, I play in a league that gives 2 PPR for TEs), then the only solution is manual adjustment based on your guess of how the breakdown of starters at the flex position is going to be. Read my top post (which became post #4 when I edited it) at http://www.footballoutsiders.com/discussion/qb-flex-question and see if you can follow that idea for your own league.

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