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01 Sep 2008

Every Play Doesn't Count: Week 4

by Doug Farrar

Baltimore Ravens Quarterback Joe Flacco

It's been an ugly millennium for Baltimore quarterbacks, with one merciful exception. Since the 2000 season, Ravens starting signal callers (the ones who threw the most passes in a season) rated as follows in DYAR:

2000 -- Tony Banks: -134 DYAR (34th)
2001 -- Elvis Grbac: -58 DYAR (29th)
2002 -- Jeff Blake: -22 DYAR (33rd)
2003 -- Kyle Boller: -289 DYAR (42nd)
2004 -- Kyle Boller: -118 DYAR (29th)
2005 -- Kyle Boller: +23 DYAR (28th)
2006 -- Steve McNair: +628 DYAR (10th)
2007 -- Kyle Boller: -10 DYAR (33rd)

In the one year that McNair held up for them, the Ravens went 13-3, an oasis in a post-Super Bowl miasma of suck. Occasionally, the quarterback problems would be mitigated by the odd 2,000-yard year from Jamal Lewis (2003) or another seasonal showing by one of the modern era's best defenses (2001). Following a 5-11 season in 2007, marked by some agonizing losses, the franchise decided to get serious about their quarterback development in a way they hadn't before. With the 19th overall pick, a selection they traded up to get, the Ravens took Delaware's Joe Flacco, an unusually talented but somewhat raw prospect. Flacco's size (6-foot-7, 236 pounds) and arm strength had the team thinking that with the right seasoning, he could tower over defenders and make the kinds of plays that other quarterbacks couldn't.

Flacco spent two seasons at Pitt -- he redshirted in 2003 and threw a grand total of four passes in 2004. He sat out the 2005 season under NCAA rules after transferring to Delaware, and got the playing time he wanted in his final two collegiate seasons. 2007 was his breakout year; Flacco completed 331 passes on 521 attempts (63.5 percent) for 4,263 yards, 23 touchdowns and just five interceptions. Two concerns surrounded Flacco going forward: his relative lack of experience, and the fact that he operated out of the shotgun so often. However, his four-game stretch in the NCAA Football Championship playoffs, which ended in a Championship loss to Appalachian State, convinced many observers that Flacco was ready to graduate to the big time -- or, at the very least, to a place on the sideline holding a clipboard and observing the big time.

Flacco's home start against the Falcons in the preseason finale convinced me that at the very least, the Ravens weren't crazy in passing up Chad Henne and Brian Brohm for him. For a shotgun quarterback, I thought his mechanics under center were acceptable, though he's obviously more comfortable a few yards back. Flacco sells play-action exceptionally and consistently well. I was impressed with the excellence of this part of his game.

The debits against him coming out of college -- the jagged mechanics, balking under pressure, and his inability to make plays on the run -- were evident to a point. On third-and-4 from the Baltimore 26 with 1:17 elapsed in the game, he took the snap, waited, and stepped forward under pressure before finally throwing a left sideline out in the general direction of Mark Clayton, who made a great play to separate from Chris Houston and come back to catch the ball. My impression was that Flacco was reacting to the pressure. With defensive end Jamaal Anderson about to wrap him up low, Flacco tried to get rid of the ball, and Clayton saved the play and the drive.

A few plays later, with Baltimore facing second-and-10 from their own 35 , Flacco threw a little dump-off to Ray Rice about four yards downfield, but Keith Brooking drove Rice back to just about the line of scrimmage. Flacco had time in the pocket, and receiver Marcus Smith open five yards further downfield in his line of sight. This play just looked like a bad read.

The mechanical issues showed up on third-and-5 from the Atlanta 47 with 11:04 left in the first quarter. Flacco had gobs of time in the pocket, rolled left a bit, and corked one deep to Demetrius Williams after looking off Derrick Mason to the right. I think Flacco was trying to draw attention away from Williams, but by the time he got Williams back in his line of sight, Williams had drifted into double-coverage (Chris Houston and Erik Coleman) 25 yards downfield and Flacco overthrew him. Great quarterbacks have an internal clock, and as good as Flacco's might someday be, they're still building it over in Switzerland.

Young quarterbacks need to learn not to put their receivers in hazardous situations, and Flacco's still developing this part of his game. Late in the first quarter, Clayton was running an out from the slot, but he was covered very well by cornerback Chevis Jackson in Atlanta's nickel package. Had Clayton jumped and caught the ball, he was in a position that would have allowed cornerback Brent Grimes to break off his own coverage and absolutely tee off on him.

Still, there was enough good play from Flacco for Ravens fans to be encouraged going forward. On third-and-9 from the Baltimore 36 and 12:29 left in the first quarter, Flacco took his first shotgun set of the day. The Falcons, who had lined up with a four-man front on each previous pass play, brought linebacker Michael Boley up to blitz with a three-man front. Flacco delivered a sideline out to Mark Clayton on a ten-yard comeback with excellent zip and good timing. He also hit Clayton late in the first quarter on a little slant off a three-step drop, following that with a 20-yard zinger to Demetrius Williams in the soft spot of Atlanta's zone. His last pass of the day, an end zone lob to Williams with 12:55 left in the second quarter, was just past the receiver's outstretched hands.

The problem for the Ravens and Flacco in the short term is to figure out whether there's enough juice in this team for a legitimate playoff run. That will affect what they do with Flacco. Under no circumstances is he ready to take a team into the postseason, but I think there's enough there on a developing team to let him learn on the field. Kyle Boller's shoulder and Troy Smith's tonsil issues have the Ravens asking a very important question: Is it now or later with their new franchise quarterback?

Seahawks Running Back/Punt Returner Justin Forsett

During Justin Forsett's four years with the Cal Bears, the team had three different star running backs: J.J. Arrington, Marshawn Lynch, and Forsett himself. While Arrington and Lynch saw their pro careers go in different directions, Forsett finally got a chance to shine in 2007. He rushed for 1,546 yards on 305 carries in his senior season. Similar senior performances for Arrington and Lynch turned them into first-day draft picks in 2005 and 2007, but Forsett had to wait until the seventh round before Seattle picked him up.

Why? While Darren Sproles and Maurice Jones-Drew have highlighted the effectiveness of short running backs, Forsett still had to overcome a height bias, not to mention the "one-year-wonder" stigma. He can apply for Pocket Hercules status at 5-foot-8 and 194 pounds, but his huge hands and muscular build give him the ability to catch the ball out of the backfield and run inside. Through the first three preseason games, Forsett had made himself a fan favorite, and the team seemed impressed. Given Seattle's crowded backfield, Forsett was told that he'd have to make the team as a punt returner, something he'd never done before the Seahawks drafted him.

That inexperience was evident in the preseason season finale against the Raiders, when he muffed a Glenn Pakulak punt at the Seattle 32. Oakland's Michael Bush recovered the fumble, and Forsett was off to a bad start in his final bid to crack the squad.

Forsett wound up making the team after final cuts, but it's more his ability as a change-of-pace back and overall offensive weapon that has the Seahawks excited. The punt return ability will come in time. What Forsett can do is eliminate negative rushing plays, a huge problem for Seattle last season. We saw the first example of this against the Raiders with 14:15 left in the first half, with the Seahawks at their own 38.

Seneca Wallace pitched the ball on a sweep right. Forsett broke the tackle attempt of defensive tackle Josh Shaw and got a little wiggle room outside. This was a potential loss of three or four yards that Forsett turned into a one-yard gain. Shaw had left guard Pat Murray (who was flagged for a false start and three holds in this game) beaten outside after Murray pulled right.

As this drive invaded Raiders territory, Forsett became the pointman. He showed his agility in tight spaces on first-and-10 from the Oakland 20, gaining seven yards on a draw up the left A gap. On the next play, Forsett blasted left behind fullback David Kirtman for the first down. This was one of many plays in which he picked up yardage beyond first contact. Forsett then took a swing pass down to the Oakland 1, but the first of Murray's holds put the ball back at the Oakland 18.

That drive ended with a field goal, but Forsett wasn't done impressing. After receiver Bryan Gilmore dropped the biggest gimme of an end zone pass in NFL history early in the fourth quarter (leading the Raiders announcing team to refer to him as "Unhappy Gilmore"), Forsett took a swing pass right with 10:55 left in the game and got a couple more yards after first contact, putting the ball at the Oakland 2-yard line. T.J. Duckett then got the touchdown on a pair of one-yard runs.

Forsett's final notable play came with 6:39 left in the game. He took the handoff right on the Seattle 21, got to the numbers, found nothing outside, and cut back inside for the five yard gain.

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Forsett finished his first NFL preseason second in total yards behind Danny Ware of the Giants. While it's not precisely clear how they'll use him, the Seahawks seem to know that they may have unearthed a serious late-round steal.

New Orleans Saints Cornerback Tracy Porter

In 2007, Saints cornerback Jason David had one of the worst seasons ever experienced by anyone at his position. The ex-Colts defender found the transition from a predominant Cover/Tampa-2 scheme to New Orleans' preference for man coverage to be really, really difficult. The game-charting revelation that David gave up more yards per pass (12.1) than plays where our game charters marked "Hole in Zone" is well known, and David finished 2007 allowing the most passing yards (1,051), yards after catch (321) and passing touchdowns (11) in the league -- and he did so despite missing three games with a forearm injury. David made the final cut in 2008, but rookie cornerback Tracy Porter started the last two preseason games against the Bengals and Dolphins opposite Mike McKenzie.

Porter was drafted in the second round this year after picking off 16 passes and showing great coverage speed at Indiana (and track speed at the Combine). Though he showed a physical presence at the Senior Bowl, Porter's size (5-foot-11, 188 pounds) and reputed subpar tackling ability were of less concern to the Saints than his ability to trail a receiver deep without safety help and get from Point A to Point B one hell of a lot quicker than David did last season. A starting spot would not be out of the question if Porter was impressive against Miami. A starting spot would also not be out of the question if Porter showed up with two arms, two legs, and a pulse.

As it turned out, he did a lot more than that. With 12:18 left in the first quarter, and the Dolphins on their own 31, Chad Pennington took the snap and threw left to receiver Greg Camarillo. Porter played press on Camarillo, who beat him to the sideline. Porter was smooth and quick in his backpedal, but he took the wrong angle inside and Camarillo was able to get upfield for a 20-yard gain.

On the next play, Pennington threw a deep sideline route to Derek Hagan on the right side, and Mike McKenzie timed his jump perfectly to deflect the pass. McKenzie's recovery from an ACL injury is great news for the Saints, and Porter can learn a great deal from the 10-year veteran.

Pennington's next pass play featured Hagan on the left side, and the ball was thrown a bit behind him to the sideline. Porter timed his hit well and took Hagan out of the play. What impressed me was that Porter was able to get effectively physical with Hagan from the snap, delaying the route's timing, without losing the receiver. (This is one of David's primary problems: Receivers will slip by him unless he's giving them a big cushion.) Porter drew Hagan to the sideline, establishing the outside position and making a completion nearly impossible. This incompletion stopped Miami's drive.

With 5:20 left in the first half, the Dolphins ran a trips left from the New Orleans 10-yard line. Receiver Ernest Wilford split the coverage of Porter, Jason Craft and safety Lance Schulters to catch a pass from Chad Henne. He got down to the 1-yard line with Porter playing behind him. Because of the late camera angle on the replay, I was not able to tell if Porter was supposed to be tighter in on Wilford, or if he was helping Craft recover from late coverage.

Individual defensive backs are more difficult to analyze than entire secondaries, especially when you don't have coach's tape showing the full 11-on-11 action, because the better the defensive back, the less action generally seen in an area. What I've seen in Porter since the Senior Bowl is a cornerback with the tremendous speed that will allow him to recover from the occasional mistake. What I also see is a player eager to learn from those mistakes, and a far better fit for this defense than his predecessor. I saw Pennington and Henne make deep left and right reads only to dump passes off to shorter targets, and the days of receivers running through the New Orleans secondary waving signs that say, "HEY -- I'M OPEN!!!" appear to be over. This would make New Orleans' second-round draft pick their most important this year.

Posted by: Doug Farrar on 01 Sep 2008

27 comments, Last at 02 Sep 2008, 5:11pm by masocc

Comments

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by Vienna Joe (not verified) :: Mon, 09/01/2008 - 11:36am

first - and working up until now.
What will be the consequenses for the Saints, Americas team reloaded or excuse for move to LA?

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by sophandros (not verified) :: Mon, 09/01/2008 - 12:10pm

The only place the Saints are going to as a result of Gustav is Indy, and that will only be temporary. The thoughts that the Saints would move are pretty foolish at this point.

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by PerlStakler (not verified) :: Mon, 09/01/2008 - 12:19pm

re 1:

If they move at all, I think it's more likely that they would move to San Antonio where they already have build a bit of a fan base are are still close enough to NOLA that they'd keep a few of their fans there.

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by Joseph (not verified) :: Mon, 09/01/2008 - 1:49pm

#2 Sophandros is right. As of about 12 noon Central time, Mayor Nagin said people may be able to come back as early as Tues. night. (more probable is Wed. during the day). Coach Payton said they went to Indy so as not to disrupt their normal practice schedule, and all signs as of my 12:50 pm CT posting is that Gustav will not disrupt the Saints at all other than this temporary evacuation for safety purposes.

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by sophandros (not verified) :: Mon, 09/01/2008 - 1:54pm

Seriously, people need to chill with the "move the Saints" nonsense. It's not going to happen.

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by dbt (Bears fan) (not verified) :: Mon, 09/01/2008 - 3:23pm

Didn't know Flacco's back story. Anybody who took one look at the Wannstache and immediately jumped ship can't have that bad decision making skills...

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by DP (not verified) :: Mon, 09/01/2008 - 4:05pm

I saw Justin Forsett play at Cal - when Lynch was out, the Bears' running attack didn't miss a beat. I find it hard to believe he lasted to the 7th round - given the opportunity, he could be really good.

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by WHDW (not verified) :: Mon, 09/01/2008 - 4:47pm

Thanks for the breakdown of Flacco's game vs the Falcons here in EPDC. As a Ravens fan, I've watched Flacco's pre-season appearances closely (and with a quiet and sincere desperation....please, please let us have a decent franchise QB). I'll add my two cents, for anyone who might be interested.

He's definitely raw. Raw like sushi. He's slow-footed in his back-pedal, over-confident in his ability to squeeze the ball into covered receivers, and he seems to forget he can throw the ball out-of-bounds when there is no play to be made. Would he be starting Week One if all the other QBs on the roster weren't down with medical issues? Not a chance. Four months ago he was in a Division 1AA program.

But, that said, there are definitely some things I've seen that bode well for his long-term future. For one, he's composed. After watching Kyle Boller for years and years, I feel I can recognize the behavior of a panicky QB. Flacco seems cool by comparison. Also, he's not robotic, in that when a play is not going to work or the pocket is breaking down, he's shown the ability to call a successful audible or improvise a check-down. He's also shown he can throw accurately to moving targets. I think that's the single most important attribute of a successful QB, and he's shown it on slant passes, outs, fades, dump-offs, and go routes. Note: I am saying that I have seen him throw to each of those routes with excellent accuracy, not that he throws the ball accurately on every pass; he doesn't. My assumption is his mechanics need a lot of work.

So, anyway, my verdict, after a grand total of 50-some pre-season passes, is that he's got some instincts for the game and he can make all the throws. I don't expect him to be any good this year, but I'm cautiously optimistic for the future.

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by Dice (not verified) :: Mon, 09/01/2008 - 5:03pm

Having lived in DC for the Raven's existence, I'd be pretty happy if Flacco were my QB of the future. Far happier than I currently am with Campbell...

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by Drunkmonkey (not verified) :: Mon, 09/01/2008 - 5:46pm

#9: Really? You can honestly tell the world with a straight face that you'd be happier with Flacco than with Campbell as they are right now? I know that Campbell hasn't shown he can lead a team to the SuperBowl yet, but I seriously think he's been a great QB in horrible situations. First of all, as everybody knows, he's played in a different offensive system every year since he left high school. Secondly, he has like one and a half good recievers, and they aren't helping him out much. For what he's been able to do, I think Campbell is definitely on the fast track to becoming a good starting QB. I always thought he had a bit of D. McNabb in him, and if you can get McNabb as your QB, there aren't many teams out there that would pass it up. I think Flacco is going to become a good QB himself, but I really don't think he has the ability to learn as fast as Campbell does, and that is something that I would value above great college statistics.

I watched a ton of Delaware football, primarily because I worked with the Appalachian scouting department, and we needed to break his game down. The offensive system is molded towards the strengths of the QB, and not only is it pass happy, its very simple. Flacco had a whole year to sit and learn the system before going out there and killing teams that were no match for his amazing recievers. Not only that, but unlike Auburn, where it was run first, Delaware only ran on 4th and short.

I'm not trying to call you retarded, but Campbell is really good, and probably going to get better, so I think you should be happy with him. Now, if I can only get rid of my QB, I'd trade him for Flacco...

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by John (not verified) :: Mon, 09/01/2008 - 6:19pm

Delaware did throw a lot last year, but Omar Cuff had an amazing season. He had 38 touchdowns. He also had 288 yards in the playoff game against Delaware State. To say they only threw the ball is a bit ridiculous.

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by Dice (not verified) :: Mon, 09/01/2008 - 7:12pm

@10 No offense taken

Has nothing to do with college stats; I detest the college game for various reasons. I've yet to see much from Campbell beyond 4th quarter picks that all but guarantee losses. I like him, and I want to like him more than I do. I like his mobility within the pocket, and that he does look downfield when moving. Ripping off some nice runs now and again is good too. He has loads of time when they run play-action(but that's probably more a result of Portis' ability). But Campbell doesn't strike me as a west coast QB. The accuracy and quick reads aren't there, and IMO, will take a long while to get there. Campbell gets a load of credit for poise and loads of not quite excuses for a different offensive system every year since he was born...Zorn is just dying to dump him off for Brennan two or three years from now. All of which is my own take; I have no special insight nor pipeline into Zorn's head.

I think Flacco will develop somewhat slowly, but probably be the better passer when all is said and done. It might be Cam Cameron's influence, or simply that the Ravens will commit more fully to a coach's vision than Snyder, who prefers musical chairs. But I'd trade Campbell for Flacco in a minute, and play Collins while Flacco developed. Remember, I prefer Flacco as my QB 'of the future'.

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by Dean (not verified) :: Mon, 09/01/2008 - 7:55pm

Is Flacco really 6'7", or is that a typo? I ask because there's never been a successful QB who has been taller then 6'5". A lot was made of this when Marc Wilson and Dan McGuire (especially McGuire) washed out. Conventional wisdom said something about having to bend over too far in order to take the snap - of course, we all know how accurate convenational wisdom is. I know Flacco is tall, but just how tall is he?

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by WHDW (not verified) :: Mon, 09/01/2008 - 8:16pm

@10
Drunk, I'm interested in what else you think about Flacco from the film review you guys had to do at Appalachian. I never saw him play at DE, so I'm only going off a few pre-season appearances. I'm encouraged by what I've seen, but obviously haven't seen very much. When you say their system was simple... does that mean he has a rep for not being able to learn systems? Were his receivers the reason for his big increase in improvement from '06 to '07? Any other thoughts you care to share?

PS - The Ravens officially announced Flacco will be starting Week One at home vs the Bengals.

@ 13
Flacco was listed 6'7" at Delaware, but was measured just slightly over 6'6" at the combine. The Ravens list him at 6'6". He also looks tall on the field standing next to his teammates, so I think that's probably his legit height.

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by Drunkmonkey (not verified) :: Mon, 09/01/2008 - 9:05pm

I know they ran, and that was a really bad way of putting it. I only put it that way because my team only looked at Flacco, not the running situations.
I said after watching two games that he was going to get picked early in the draft. Never thought it would have been the first round, simply because QB is such an important position that a small school prospect seemed doomed to later rounds.

The only thing I saw that really worried me was his over confidence. One of my team members had a theory that he thought he was better than the corners at his level, since he had made it to a team at the 1A level, but I thought that was nonsense, since he never really threw in a real game at the 1A level.

I also remember thinking that he would do great if Miami could have picked him up in the third round. Then again, this was when C.Cameron was still the head coach of the Dolphins and before the rest of the world thought he deserved a first round pick. He was by far the best QB in the 1AA level as far as NFL talent goes. I don't remember watching any other QB like him, but then again, we started watching him from the beginning of the playoffs, figuring if we made it that far, it would be either Southern Illinois or Delaware. Man, it would have killed me if we watched all that film of him for nothing. But then again, some really good friends of mine did watch a ton of film on Nick Hall for nothing. I think they are still screaming in their sleep about it.

By all means, I really like him, and think he has all the talent to succeed. He displayed an amazing arm in college, an NFL-caliber arm that made every throw asked of him. By simple, I mean the system wasn't anything Al Saunders would run, but it really played to his strengths. Some systems are designed to have parts plugged in and go, and some systems bend to the talents of the people in it. Delaware's system did the later. It played to Flacco's strength, and he thrived in it. But that doesn't mean he can't learn an NFL style offense. I think he'll do great, really. I just think that Campbell has the potential to be a great QB and at this point, Flacco is still to raw to play. Problem is, I think your right Dice, Zorn is in love with Brennan, but I think it would be a shame, cause I really like Campbell.

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by John (not verified) :: Mon, 09/01/2008 - 9:34pm

Oh yeah Flacco is way too raw. He is a good developmental prospect with legit skills that need to really be refined. His footwork, as mentioned in this article, is a mess and his accuracy is shoddy. He didn't deserve a first round selection and I'm not a 100% sure why the Ravens thought he did. He shouldn't have seen the field for another year at least. And I wouldn't label him as the hands down best 1-AA QB. Maybe in terms of NFL potential, but Josh Johnson and Ricky Santos were damned good. You mentioned Nick Hill too.

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by Drunkmonkey (not verified) :: Mon, 09/01/2008 - 10:58pm

Yeah, thats what I meant, most NFL potential. I love Josh Johnson, but I'm not sold on him as an NFL QB. I've heard lots of people say he could be the best Arena League QB ever if he tried it, though.

By the time we made it to the championship game, I had Flacco pegged as a mid second rounder, thinking he would make a great pickup for Carolina or Chicago. I didn't think he was going to be a first rounder. But by the time of the draft, I knew that there was only one shot for him to be in the first round, and everything was pointing toward the Ravens. I think they could have gotten him at the beginning of the second round, and at the least, they didn't have to move back up in the first to get him. Waste of a pick...

But that being said, he looked great on film, and I can understand why the Ravens would take him. I just don't think I can justify taking him and playing him over Campbell as they both are right now.

Ricky Santos should thrive in the Canadian League, but I don't think he has any future in the NFL.

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Tue, 09/02/2008 - 12:27am

Does this mean the Saints won't be starting HiZ?

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by Doug Farrar :: Tue, 09/02/2008 - 12:39am

18: Right now, I'd say HiZ is on the bubble -- if, that is, a Hole in Zone can be on a metaphorical bubble.

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by The Hypno-Toad (not verified) :: Tue, 09/02/2008 - 1:33am

I'm a little surprised to hear that Zorn apparently has all this love for Brennan. The only thing I heard about Brennan all preseason was a sound bite from Zorn essentially telling everone to just calm the hell down about Brennan after one of his better preseason performances. It was on the radio, so I could easily have misinterpreted his tone, but he sounded completely exasperated that people seemed to think that Brennan could contribute anything to the team.

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by BrixtonBear (not verified) :: Tue, 09/02/2008 - 1:45am

Nick Hill may have been a fine D1-AA QB, but he had no business being in an NFL training camp. He was awful, even by Chicago standards.

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by t.d. (not verified) :: Tue, 09/02/2008 - 1:58am

Sure, Campbell is a better quarterback than Flacco right now. He's had three years in the league. He hasn't done anything to suggest he's better than average. McNabb was an MVP candidate in his second year.

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by OmrothUK (not verified) :: Tue, 09/02/2008 - 6:37am

Haha, my Falcons took Flacco at number 3 in my first Head Coach season.

Big mistake.

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by Dice (not verified) :: Tue, 09/02/2008 - 11:59am

@20
If you notice what I said, its that Zorn wants to dump Campbell for Brennan in 2 or 3 years. Its a system that plays to Brennan's strengths far more than Campbell's, and he's going to have time to master it before he sees the field. I can't speak for Zorn, but I'm not happy with Campbell as QB. PLus, since everyone brings up the myriad offensive systems Campbell has played in, why not cut or trade him after Brennan has spent all his time in one system, being coached up?

Of course Zorn is going to tell everyone to cool it; Brennan isn't starting now, and he's not going to start for some time.

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by The McNabb Bowl Game Anomaly (aka SJM) (not verified) :: Tue, 09/02/2008 - 12:56pm

I also wasn't aware of any irrational Brennan love on Zorn's part. Zorn has tried to reign everyone back on Brennan, if anything. Brennan is still behind Collins on the depth chart as well.

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by The McNabb Bowl Game Anomaly (aka SJM) (not verified) :: Tue, 09/02/2008 - 1:04pm

Re: 24

"Zorn wants to dump Campbell for Brennan in 2 or 3 years."

It's fun to speculate, but none of us has any idea if this is true or not. If I had to guess, I'd say it's not true.

"Its a system that plays to Brennan’s strengths far more than Campbell’s."

I don't think this statement is fair. Are you aware that Campbell had his best season in college playing in a WCO?

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by masocc (not verified) :: Tue, 09/02/2008 - 5:11pm

Forsett's not quite in the clear yet... chances are, when the two suspended players come back, a kicker and a back are getting cut. I don't see the Seahawks keeping 6 backs on the roster...