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14 Oct 2005
Commence speculation. (Thanks to Rich C. for the pointer)
Posted by: P. Ryan Wilson on 14 Oct 2005
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18 Oct 2005, 9:35am by
That's cool and all, but when are the patriots bringing back andy katzenmoyer?
About the same time they get back Robert Edwards.
Hell, maybe they'll even bring back Doug Flutie.
"Hell, maybe theyâ€™ll even bring back Doug Flutie."
Yeah, we're all wise-guys here.
I'll get the moronic junk I've seen all over the interent already out of the way:
HE IS GOING TO DIE FOR A FOOTBALL GAME HIS BRAIN IS GOING TO FALL OUT BECAUSE BELICHICK IS A CULT LEADER HE MUST HATE HIS KIDS BECAUSE HE IS GOING TO DIE IF HE PLAYS FOOTBALL I AM ON THE INTERNET SO I AM A DOCTOR
From what I read, the chances that he could suffer another stroke are very unlikely once the hole in his heart was closed. The only possible complications concerned the damage caused by the stroke and he appears to be rehabilitated. So even though his early return might seem reckless and dangerous, if Bruschi is mentally into it, he should be good to go.
Would be awesome to bring him back for the colts game. If it were true, colts would lose before stepping on the field.
I can just see Peyton Manning in his robe, sitting down at his table, opening the paper, seeing this article, and spewing coffee all over his breakfast.
Not Manning, Polian. Remember? (Source with quote linked.)
"Now with Bruschi perhaps out, with some other guys getting a little older, maybe the worm turns a little bit," says Colts president Bill Polian. "I hope so."
All the nice things Carl says about Polian, don't make up for Billy P gloating over Bruschi's adversity.
Even if I were neutral on the teams, I'd be rooting for the Patriots to win by 50.
Let me get this straight, a few months ago this rich guy with a wife and kids had surgery to to SEW UP A HOLE IN HIS HEART and now he is returning to play linebacker in the NFL. Yeah this is a no-brainer. Nice guy.
You really call that gloating? I don't see anything inaccurate about it.
Re: #10, you must have missed #5.
Bruschi has made it official that he's going to try:
"Billy P gloating over Bruschiâ€™s adversity."
I really hope you're a diehard myopic Patriots fan because otherwise there's no excuse for thinking that a legitimate asessment of another team's chances is gloating.
Should Polian have said "With Bruschi perhaps out we'll forfeit the game in his honor since he is the ultimate football god in all of history"?
At the start of the season it looked like Tedy Bruschi wouldn't play this year, and maybe not ever again. That was an obvious blow to the Patriots defense which has struggled this year. Having opposing coaches and GMs gloss over Bruschi's absence would not only not do any good for anyone, but it would do a disservice to logic and reason since his presence on the PUP list was a documented fact.
In the interest of full disclosure the Patriots are my second favorite team(my first favorite is an NFC team).
Marc...you are wasting your time.
There are Pats fans, there are Pats diehards and then there is our good friend Starshatter.
Star was miffed when Bush didn't mention the Pats in the last State of the Union.
Star was torqued when Brady didn't get any pub during the last Nobel Prize nominations.
And Star, fresh back from his/her "Rodney Harrison Disrespect For Dummies Seminar" couldn't believe that the 2004 Pats Super Bowl Championship DVD didn't make AFI's top 100 Movies of All Time list.
Wouldn't that be wild if he subsequently died of a heart attack? That hasn't happened to any pro athletes recently.
I think Tedy will be looking closely at the details of Jason Collier's death today.
Anyone who follows the Pats as a fan or opponent knew this was coming the day they put him on PUP instead of IR. Good for the Pats. No more excuses.
Now, as for a shot at real analysis. How fast do you think he'll be at 100%. I would guess right away, as he's been working out diligently and he's far from a rookie, but I was wondering what others would think.
I don't think he'd be at 100% physically, as he has just restarted practice. If he plays against the Colts, I don't think it will be on every down, but he'll see a reasonable amount of action.
Bruschi's strengths aren't on the physical side though, I think his biggest assets are his intelligence and awareness on the field. His carreer hasn't been spectacular as a whole, but he's consistently gotten better over the years, despite now being in a time of physical decline (even in 03/04) - he has peaked much later than most NFL players.
As long as he's in good physical shape (not tip top), and had a couple weeks to practice, he'll probably be a major improvement over Brown and Biesel. The Pats will then be able to run a proper, effective 4-3 defense, swapping Brown in every once in a while to give Tedy a break, if he needs it.
Bruschi can't make up for the loss of Harrison, but he can certainly make up for the loss of Bruschi, which has been one of the major holes in the Pats defense this year.
Color me happy that he's willing to give it a shot, but also, if he decides not to, I've got nothing against that decision, he has to put himself first.
Marc (#14 )--
Should Polian have said â€œWith Bruschi perhaps out weâ€™ll forfeit the game in his honor since he is the ultimate football god in all of history"?
Polian should have said something like, "I wish Bruschi and his family nothing but the best. I'm sure his team will miss a player of his caliber."
"The worm turns" has just a little more schadenfreude than I'd like.
OMO (#15 )--
1. Bush needs Brady much more than Brady needs Bush, lately.
2. No Nobel Prize for athletics, but if they make the category I want Brady on the short list.
3. Even a rabid Patriot fan like myself, has to concede that the 2004 DVD was highly derivative of the 2003 edition.
There's no excuse for 2001 not making it, though. ;-)
Is this a good place to ask about what PUP means exactly? How is it different from IR? The player can come back I guess, but only after a certain amount of time? And it can only work for non-football injuries? How is the salary cap effected by PUP versus IR?
And I became a Pats fan because I loved Tedy Bruschi, but I think people are anticipating his return a little too much. People think he will completely change the Patriots defense, but even with Bruschi back there are still 12 defensive players on the injury report. And as much as I like Bruschi, he can't do everything.
PUP is like IR, in that a player gets his salary (which counts against the cap), but doesn't take a roster spot, can't participate in practice, and can't play.
A player must be declared Physically Unable to Perform before the start of training camp, and between the 6th and 9th weeks of the season, the team must either put the player on IR, cut him, or activate him, for the remainder of the season. (I suppose it's possible a player could be activated, then later be placed on IR or cut.)
You don't talk about our team. You have NO BUSINESS talking about our team!!! You're not our coach!
I'll mention this here. The Pats announced today that Bruschi has been cleared to play unanimously by a team of stroke specialist doctors. No word on whether or not Troy Brown was one of the doctors, though.
Good for him. Wish him the best luck.
Unless you listen to everything Polian has EVER said in the last year, how do you know he didn't say that he wished nothing but the best for Tedy Brushi and his family? Unless you can PROVE he didn't say that in the last year, then you can't comment on that with any credibility.
I'm sure that comment was made with tongue in cheek. He says that type of thing about ANY opponent - he'll make the 49ers sound like world beaters the week before a game.
Bruschi - no edit button. I didn't mean disrespect by my typo.
djcolts (#26 )--
Unless you listen to everything Polian has EVER said in the last year, how do you know he didnâ€™t say that he wished nothing but the best for Tedy Brushi and his family? Unless you can PROVE he didnâ€™t say that in the last year, then you canâ€™t comment on that with any credibility.
You have it backwards. I don't have to prove anything.
Polian said what he said, and nothing I've found in the public record makes me think better of it. I could really care less if he wished the Bruschis well in the privacy of his own bathroom.
As to credibility -- you and I are both writing under pseudonyms on the internet. We have no credibility.
"'The worm turns' has just a little more schadenfreude than Iâ€™d like."
I highly doubt that Polian intended any schadenfreude (or any other German, French or latin concept too sophisticated for good old English). Modern usage of the phrase "worm has turned" doesn't necessarily have that connotation. From Word Maven (linked):
"In the form the worm has turned, the proverb is often used in the broad sense 'the situation has changed'..."
That sense has come a long way from the original proverb, but I doubt Bill Polian knows anything about that. It's obvious to me that Polian is just saying that the situation has changed -- maybe now the Colts have the advantage. I see no gloating or joy at another's misfortune.
Led (#29 )--
1. English often needs foreign help. We had to import a word for "raw fish," ferPete'ssake.
2. Polian's been to college -- I'll pretend he didn't sleep through Shakespeare like most people did.
To hijack the thread back to its original subject, Ron Borges has written a quite thoughtful piece on Bruschi's return for today's Globe (linked).
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