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01 Nov 2005

Calling for a QB Change

Nothing like your rookie first round draft pick lobbying for the starting quarterback to be replaced. WR Braylon Edwards thinks rookie QB Charlie Frye "would bring a little more life, because he's younger" to a Browns offense that can kindly be described as struggling behind Trent Dilfer. Edwards admits to having more chemistry with Frye than Dilfer, and head coach Romeo Crennel hasn't ruled out making the switch. When your team is 2-5, coming off a loss to the Texans, and battling for last place in the division, I don't think this can really be considered a quarterback controversy. (bugmenot/free registration required)

Posted by: P. Ryan Wilson on 01 Nov 2005

20 comments, Last at 02 Nov 2005, 2:40am by Joey

Comments

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by JonL (not verified) :: Tue, 11/01/2005 - 1:02pm

"He's younger and he has more spunk."

Who is he, Lou Grant?

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by Melish (not verified) :: Tue, 11/01/2005 - 1:11pm

Can we get a retraction from the many, many people who made a big deal about how Dilfer was a better QB than at least half the QBs in the league?

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by B (not verified) :: Tue, 11/01/2005 - 1:52pm

I dunno, there are some pretty lousy QBs in the league. Still, I think the Browns need a change. It's not like Dilfer is the QB of the future, might as well give the rookie a shot.

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by Pal (not verified) :: Tue, 11/01/2005 - 1:55pm

What a shock. A struggling team thinks changing quarterbacks might magically fix all the problems, as if the other 10 guys on the field don't have anything to do with it either.

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by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Tue, 11/01/2005 - 2:04pm

RE #2:

No, Melish, you won't. Because if they did, some of them might even have to admit that Billick had a point when he let him go.

Trent Dilfer is a good man, an adequate quarterback, but no more than a stopgap while Cleveland sorts everything out. If Charley Frye is the answer (and I doubt it), they migth as well find out. But let's not pretend that it is Dilfer that is holding this Brown team back, OK? What's got Cleveland in last is the complete lack of talent that Crennel and Savage inherited. They've upgraded it some, but did anyone seriously think this team was to the point where it could contend with a rookie QB?

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by mawbrew (not verified) :: Tue, 11/01/2005 - 2:09pm

All signs pointed to Edwards getting his first start this week. He may have figured out how to prevent that.

More than anything else, Cleveland needs to break the losing mentality. So, they need to play whoever gives them the best chance to win. I'm guessing that's still Dilfer, but I'm not there at practice.

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by Tom Brady (not verified) :: Tue, 11/01/2005 - 2:17pm

RE: #4

They don't.

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by rk (not verified) :: Tue, 11/01/2005 - 2:21pm

I think it makes sense to start Frye. Maybe he's amazing and will lead them to some wins and prove he can be the starter long term. More likely, he'll be horrible, the Browns won't win another game, they'll get the first pick in the draft and sign Matt Leinart. It's win-win.

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Tue, 11/01/2005 - 2:25pm

Of course Leinart would suffer from the same problems that Dilfer/Frye are/would- A lack of talent on the roster.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Tue, 11/01/2005 - 2:27pm

Ooh. WR taken high in the first round shoots his mouth off. Whatever next?

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by ABW (not verified) :: Tue, 11/01/2005 - 2:42pm

Re: #2

No.

QBs that I think are worse than Dilfer, given Dilfer playing at exactly the same level he is right now:

Harrington or Garcia
Alex Smith or Cody Pickett
David Carr
JP Losman or Kelly Holcomb
Gus Frerotte
Vinny Testaverde
Chris Simms
Kurt Warner
Jamie Martin
Anthony Wright or Boller
Aaron Brooks
Kyle Orton(well, maybe I'd take him just because he's young)

And there's a few guys who are debatable - Tim Rattay, Brian Griese, Brad Johnson now that he's starting, Josh McCown.

He's pretty solidly in the middle third of NFL QBs right now. Maybe "better than at least half the QBs in the league" would be being a tad optimistic about Dilfer, but it's certainly not wildly inaccurate. He's a replacement level QB. Sometimes, that's just what you need.

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by MCS (not verified) :: Tue, 11/01/2005 - 2:50pm

DPAR has him at 19.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 11/01/2005 - 3:39pm

Boy, with the Houston and S.F wins this past weekend, the race to the bottom in 2005 sure is a tight one, isn't it?

I think Cleveland is likely well coached, and has players who still have reason to fear their coach. Thus, I don't think they'll end up being the worst team in the league.

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by tom (not verified) :: Tue, 11/01/2005 - 5:35pm

You said it, James. I note with interest that Braylon Edwards is also angling for more playing time himself. I'd guess that's his motivation for all this talk about giving youth a shot.
I really wouldn't be surprised if Dilfer stayed where he was; Crennel's got to be looking to protect his investments in the long term, and throwing a rookie quarterback on the fire to try and salvage this season just makes no sense at all. I think Dilfer's there for a year or so to knuckle through whilst the rookie learns and the line gels.

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by Ben Roethlisberger (not verified) :: Tue, 11/01/2005 - 7:31pm

Guys, seriously, the quarterback has nothing to do with how well his offense does.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Tue, 11/01/2005 - 7:41pm

Has anyone considered that being "better than half the QBs in the league" just makes you 2nd string?

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by Optical (not verified) :: Tue, 11/01/2005 - 8:59pm

As a niners fan, I was extremely upset after the victory this past weekend. The texans finally win a game to fall back to the rest of the pack vying for the #1 overall pick, and the niners go and do a stupid thing like win a game and set themselves back again. It sucks following this team. Not only does the front office continue to poo their pants on a daily basis, but even when we suck, all the good players in college football stay in school. We get stuck with no left tackle to draft, no stud defensive player to draft, and we face the win-win situation of Alex Smith vs. Aaron Rodgers. I will now light myself on fire (thanks for the idea Bill Simmons).

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by FizzMan (not verified) :: Tue, 11/01/2005 - 11:31pm

Re: #17
Though from what I've read on this website, the last thing you want is the #1 overall pick - too high risk (large chunk of salary cap invested in player whose success at pro level is completely unknown).

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by CaffeineMan (not verified) :: Tue, 11/01/2005 - 11:33pm

LOL, Optical. :D Look at it this way, if you don't get the first pick in the draft, you won't have the agonizing problem of whether you should take Leinart or not, you can just grab someone else and let another team get second guessed. :)

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by Joey (not verified) :: Wed, 11/02/2005 - 2:40am

Forget Frye--Charlie or Cameron.

Ferris Bueller for quarterback!