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20 Dec 2005

Isn't it Ironic? Tice Angry at Scalpers

Minnesota Vikings head coach Mike Tice, who was fined by the league last year for scalping Super Bowl tickets, has questioned why Vikings fans would sell their tickets to Steelers fans, thereby diminishing the crowd-noise advantage Minnesota had against Pittsburgh on Sunday. "It confuses me, I guess," Tice said. "Maybe they're not really diehard season-ticket holders or maybe they needed the money for Christmas presents. I don't know. One of the two."

Posted by: Michael David Smith on 20 Dec 2005

26 comments, Last at 24 Dec 2005, 1:54am by Rodafowa

Comments

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by B (not verified) :: Tue, 12/20/2005 - 10:44pm

It's not ironic, it's hypocritical.

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by eric (not verified) :: Tue, 12/20/2005 - 11:46pm

don't you think?

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by Catholic Samurai (not verified) :: Tue, 12/20/2005 - 11:56pm

I guess everyone knows when Tice walks down the hallway by hearing the clang of the big brass balls he must possess to make such a comment.

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by Alex (not verified) :: Wed, 12/21/2005 - 12:03am

Is it just me or does Tice look like an angry Nazi in the picture?

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by Catholic Samurai (not verified) :: Wed, 12/21/2005 - 12:10am

#4:

No kidding. That picture is screaming for a FARK photoshop contest.

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by JonL (not verified) :: Wed, 12/21/2005 - 12:17am

RE: #3

No, that's the sound of the rocks in his head banging against each other.

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by Alex (not verified) :: Wed, 12/21/2005 - 12:20am

#5

If I could find a bigger version of it I would submit it there.

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by Maltodextrin (not verified) :: Wed, 12/21/2005 - 2:01am

He's got one hand in his pocket, and the other is giving a high five.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Wed, 12/21/2005 - 2:21am

Well, you know, no one's as vehement about the evils of scalping as a reformed ex-scalper...

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by the K (not verified) :: Wed, 12/21/2005 - 4:58am

You know what they say, hell hath no fury like a reformed smoker. I guess that applies to scalping as well.

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by John Holthaus (not verified) :: Wed, 12/21/2005 - 9:48am

This guy is beggin to get fired

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by Daniel Snyder (not verified) :: Wed, 12/21/2005 - 10:16am

The only way this story would make sense is if he was working for me... and the washington post was reporting on it.

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by princeton73 (not verified) :: Wed, 12/21/2005 - 10:38am

It’s not ironic, it’s hypocritical.

but it's ironic that it's hypocritical

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by Parker (not verified) :: Wed, 12/21/2005 - 11:43am

Isn't hypocrisy always ironic? What the person says is hypocritical, the fact that they are saying it is ironic.

Then again, I'm likely one of those people that think they know what the word means when I really don't. If only Ethan Hawke were here!

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Wed, 12/21/2005 - 12:02pm

I dunno, scalping tickets to a game that one does not have a rooting interest in can be viewed diffrently than scalping tickets to a game that one does have a rooting interest in. One would think that a Vikings season ticket holder actually has a rooting interest in a Vikings game, whereas they typical NFL player or coach doesn't care who wins the Super Bowl if he isn't in it.

That said, whenever somebody in sports makes an effort to criticize the customers, it is an ill-advised thing to do. Imagine the CEO of Wal-Mart publicly knocking his customers for insuffcient loyalty, after sales fall short of projections. Not too bright.

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by Yuri (not verified) :: Wed, 12/21/2005 - 12:41pm

Angry Nazi... you mean this picture (click on name)? He is saluting, too!

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by the fumble (not verified) :: Wed, 12/21/2005 - 12:57pm

Good point Will. And as a Steelers fan, let me just say that an article like this makes me happy that we can consistently overrun three-quarters of the stadiums in the league. Maybe it's partially because the city lost half it's population in the past 25 years and everyone scattered across the US. But I prefer to think it's because we're diehards.

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by Parker (not verified) :: Wed, 12/21/2005 - 1:39pm

A good point, Will. Still, I think what I find a bit silly is that he would mention it at all, since it just opens himself up for another round of jabs at his earlier conduct.

If your wife has recently caught you cheating, it isn't a good idea to take her to see the new movie about the guy that cheats on his wife. Sure, the circumstances of the cheating may be completely different, but it's kind of stupid to open that can of worms again.

I don't at all think that a football coach needs to be savvy with the media in order to be a good football coach. But Tice seems to think that he is quick witted enough to talk at length without sounding like an idiot, which he is not. It is his inability to recognise his own strengths and weaknesses and then react proceed accordingly that is so frustrating. If he doesn't have the good sense to keep his yammer shut about scalping tickets then I start to question his judgement about everything (like running Faison up the gut twice in a row at the goal line).

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Wed, 12/21/2005 - 2:30pm

I gotta say, Parker, that goal line play calling is about the most overrated aspect of coaching there is. When on the goal line, the playlist becomes limited, and it really is mostly just execution. The Vikings offensive line isn't very good in either run or pass blocking, or in making adjustments to stunts. Therefore, they aren't all that good on the goal line, no matter what play is called.

The Vikings lost to Pittsburgh largely due to poor special teams play, losing a net 12 points in the kicking game. If the Vikings had done nothing but kick field goals inside the red zone, and had fielded kick-offs and punts with competence, they would have had an excellent chance to win the game.

Whether Tice should be blamed for not making sure that Brad Johnson understood that this was the type of game in which field goals should be gold, and thus no chances should be taken in the red zone, or whether Tice is responsible for mishandling a kick-off and a punt, I couldn't say.

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by former vike fan (not verified) :: Wed, 12/21/2005 - 3:09pm

Will said: "One would think that a Vikings season ticket holder actually has a rooting interest in a Vikings game"

And Tice has been trying his best to put an end to that...

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by Parker (not verified) :: Wed, 12/21/2005 - 5:16pm

I won't argue that point, Will, though I still don't like the call. I suppose if I put my mind to it I could come up with a good list of other instances in which I questioned his judgement, which is more to the point.

I'm not against the guy, I think he was given a pretty junky situation to start with. But some of the stuff he says and does makes it hard to be for him.

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by Spoilt Victorian Child (not verified) :: Wed, 12/21/2005 - 5:36pm

He does not seem to be upset by the scalping itself, but rather that Vikings fans sold their tickets to Steelers fans; he gives no indication that he would be upset by Vikings fans selling their tickets to other Vikings fans, for example. Therefore I would say that it is ironic but not hypocritical.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Wed, 12/21/2005 - 8:23pm

It's like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife.

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by Kibbles (not verified) :: Thu, 12/22/2005 - 3:55am

Wow. That's a lot of spoons.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/22/2005 - 8:22am

Marvin Lewis said pretty much exactly the same thing (also re: steeler fans).

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by Rodafowa (not verified) :: Sat, 12/24/2005 - 1:54am

It’s like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife.

That's not ironic, though. But if it turns out that a spoon would have done...

As a standup whose name escapes me once said, ironic is a person writing a song called "Ironic" when they don't understand what irony is.