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22 Dec 2005

NFL: Sorry, Glenn, You're Not in the Pro Bowl

This was mentioned in the Pro Bowl discussion, but I thought it deserved its own thread. The NFL told the Colts that tackle Tarik Glenn had made the Pro Bowl, which Tony Dungy relayed to the team. Then the NFL called back and said it had mis-counted the votes, and Glenn had not made the Pro Bowl after all, although he's a first alternate. I saw Dungy talking about it on NFL Network, and I've never seen him so angry.

Posted by: Michael David Smith on 22 Dec 2005

14 comments, Last at 23 Dec 2005, 9:27pm by Chris

Comments

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Thu, 12/22/2005 - 11:05am

My first thought is, oh please, in the name of all that's sacred, please don't turn this into yet another hysterical political thread.

I have never seen Dungy angry like that. Even when he speaks out against something, it's usually in the calm, "I'm angry but definitely in control" mode. You know someone's going to cancel and they'll send Glenn anyway, but still, this was just a horrible error by the NFL.

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by DNL (not verified) :: Thu, 12/22/2005 - 11:08am

I wonder how Dick Vermeil would have reacted.

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by Nathan (not verified) :: Thu, 12/22/2005 - 11:10am

Explaining to a player why he didn't make the probowl is one thing.

Having the NFL tell you he did, you tell him he did, and then explaining to him that he didn't sucks.

Not to mention performance clauses that may exist. Not like linemen have a ton of benchmarks to hit before increases.

It's nothing to get upset about, we're at war. But it sucks.

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by senser81 (not verified) :: Thu, 12/22/2005 - 11:25am

The real story should be Todd Heap not making the pro bowl because the ballots are cast before the season ends. How stupid is that? Why is there a need to announce the pro bowl team now instead of after the regular season is over?

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by Duane (not verified) :: Thu, 12/22/2005 - 12:27pm

senser81 (#4): It's because the oh-so-orchestrated NFL calendar says the ONLY story after the season ends is the playoffs.

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by MJK (not verified) :: Thu, 12/22/2005 - 12:46pm

Ironic, isn't it, that a player's performance in the last three games of the regular season can have the most profound consequences--making or missing the playoffs--but is not included in the balloting.

Of course, it does eliminate the issue of some teams resting their starters. I'm sure the Seahawks will all have monster games against the Colts' third stringers this weekend, but that doesn't make them any more deserving of the pro bowl.

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by MJK (not verified) :: Thu, 12/22/2005 - 12:48pm

So here's an interesting question: Who do you think would win?

1) The AFC of NFC Pro Bowl team,

2) A team made up of the top DVOA performers

3) A team made up of the top DPAR performers

4) A team composed by one of these old announcer/coaches (e.g. John Madden) picking and choosing whoever they want out of the league right now?

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by B (not verified) :: Thu, 12/22/2005 - 12:59pm

7: I'd go with option 5) A team composed of the best offense by DVOA and the best defense by DVOA.

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by ABW (not verified) :: Thu, 12/22/2005 - 1:27pm

Re: 7

Actually, I think there's a good chance that it would end up being 4, because they would choose players who might actually fit together and would certainly have a better chance of fitting into a coherent scheme.

A big problem with football all-star teams is that they frequently include players playing slightly out-of-position - inside linebackers playing outside, 3-4 DEs lined up in a 4-3, O-lineman in unfamiliar blockign schemes, etc. A team with a talent advantage will lose to a slightly less talented team that works together better and is playing a scheme with roles that fit the players skills.

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by Mike (not verified) :: Thu, 12/22/2005 - 3:10pm

It would be the best offense in the league vs. the best defense with a few players switched around. For instance I would take the Colts entire offense and perhaps switch out one of the tackles and guards. Throw in Antonio Gates at TE and stock the backup WRs with other guys like Chad Johnson and you'd have the best possible AFC offense. Peyton would work better with most of his OL, WRs and Edge rather than throwing to guys he doesn't play with after all.

As for the defense, it would be a little more loose fitting. I'd like to take the Bears defense and work around them. Throw Al Harris at one corner and Ken Lucas at the other and rotate them throghout the game with DeAngelo Hall, Ronde Barber and Nathan Vashar. The front seven would be Bears defenders however, as they would work together better in that manner.

The best offense/defense doesn't have to have the best players after all.

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by MJK (not verified) :: Thu, 12/22/2005 - 4:44pm

That's my sense as well. You need players that would interlock. I actually think any actual team (well, maybe no the Niners) could beat either of the Pro Bowl teams. But one key issue would be how long the coaches had to prepare their team.

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by Theo (not verified) :: Thu, 12/22/2005 - 8:25pm

For instance I would take the Colts entire offense and perhaps switch out one of the tackles and guards. Throw in Antonio Gates at TE and stock the backup WRs with other guys like Chad Johnson and you’d have the best possible AFC offense
So you would take Manning, James, Harisson, Glenn, Saturday and Diem with Neal, Gates, Faneca, Shields, Chad Johnson and Ward.

(Yes peeps that's 12, because you got a 3rd WR, a TE and a FB)

Sounds good to me.

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by Theo (not verified) :: Thu, 12/22/2005 - 8:29pm

But uhm Mike,
it's not about putting the best AFC Team and the best NFC Team together.
It's about rewarding the best NFL players.

(no, that is still not what it's about... it's about getting as much attention as possible, by selecting the biggest players/names in media-whoreness, but that: they'll never admit)

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by Chris (not verified) :: Fri, 12/23/2005 - 9:27pm

11 - I'd agree, considering the Pro Bowl teams can't blitz, can't rush on Field Goals, and change QBs every quarter and a half. =P