Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

29 Dec 2005

Trade Favre to the Raiders

In his latest effort, Jason Whitlock pens possibly his worst article of 2005 (and just under the wire!). He suggests that Brett Favre should be traded to Oakland and -- big surprise -- Jeff George should be his backup. (Unless Favre can play safety, this is a ridiculous idea. But you already knew that.)

He also thinks that Drew Brees has regressed and should share the blame with Marty Schottenheimer for the Chargers' disappointing season. (That makes sense. Brees is sixth in QB DPAR -- up from ninth last season -- and it was probably his idea to sit Antonio Gates in the opener too.)

Whitlock goes on to write that the Seahawks aren't a Super Bowl team because he "just feels like Matt Hasselbeck is going to do a couple of stupid things in Seattle's playoff opener." I could go on, but I had to quit reading because my eyes started bleeding.

Posted by: P. Ryan Wilson on 29 Dec 2005

52 comments, Last at 30 Dec 2005, 3:45pm by Charles Jake

Comments

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by Kevin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 2:07pm

why would you even put this on the extra points page???

I don't understand . . .

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by dryheat (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 2:43pm

Lord I miss Ralph Wiley.

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by MJK (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 2:47pm

My god, that was horrible. I think this guy is sharing some "herbal therapy" with Ricky Williams.

Everyone who thinks Brad Johnson will continue to "outplay Culpepper" next year the way he has "outplayed Culpepper" this year raise your hand.

Bleh.

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by sippican (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 2:49pm

That's not writing, that's typing

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by RW (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 3:03pm

Whitlock is an idiot. The fact he has a forum like ESPN and the KC Star to spout his nonsense makes me sad. Meanwhile, the Star let a good writer like Ivan Carter leave town. Nice move there.

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by Theo (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 3:03pm

that's not typing, that's being a crack head.

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by NF (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 3:04pm

In his defense, which I will never try again, I think his suggestion to trade Favre to Oakland is an intentional joke. However, I doubt he's joking about Jeff George.

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by kleph (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 3:04pm

egads, methinks i have not seen analysis nor writing this dreadful since the days of the b. duane cross' football columns.

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by Murr (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 3:13pm

Man, I was hoping this would show up here, just so I could go off on it.

In addition to what Ryan mentioned above, let me add:

-- How, exactly, is Brett Favre so much better than Kerry Collins, as they both currently stand? You trade one QB who throws a nice deep ball but makes terrible decisions for another?

-- Mike Martz as coach of the Raiders? BWAHAHAHAHA. That's the funniest thing I've read this year. Yup - *that* would right the ship for sure.

-- He ranks Washington as the top NFC playoff contender. This upsets me, because I've found myself thinking the same thing recently (being an Eagles fan living in DC, this is *killing* me). The concept of agreeing with Whitlock makes me question my own thinking, to be honest.

-- He ranks Denver 6th amongst the AFC playoff teams, even though he thinks "they can beat everyone else" except the Colts, who are ranked 1st. Umm -- wouldn't that, by definition, mean they should be ranked 2nd? What did I miss?

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by J.S. (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 3:14pm

OK

This is just awful how could you guys at FO even let this post?

If this is the kind of junk this guy writes perhaps I should apply to get a job as a football anyalst and start rambling like him.

Oh yeah......

my qualifications for a football anyalst....

5 years of playing Madden Football on my Xbox.....

at least I can read a zone coverage now :-)

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by Ferg (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 3:16pm

Re 7: It seems like it might be a joke-- but then he says, "I'm not joking."

Who knows.

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by M (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 3:21pm

I think from a football standpoint, it would be a horrible decision (Favre to Raiders); from an entertainment standpoint, Favre (plus mad scientist Mike Martz) with the Raiders would be hilarious. I think they MIGHT win 5 games; but in the early going, they would be a circus. Although isn't that what happened this year...

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by M (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 3:26pm

P.S. Can we get Ron Artest (who cares about the sport)and Terrell Owens on the Raiders, too? Plus, Jamal & Ray Lewis...too bad there aren't more obvious headcases on the defensive side. Where are Dexter Manley & Lawrence Taylor when you need them?

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by TomG (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 3:30pm

Still not as bad as Scoop Jackson's latest piece:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jackson/051227

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by Mike (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 3:31pm

The Raiders offseason:

1.) Fire Norv Turner, replace with Mike Martz.

2.) Sign T.O.

3.) Hire Kevin Gilbride to be OC

4.) Trade up to draft Leinhart

5.) Sign Priest Holmes

6.) ?????

7.) PROFIT!!

I'd watch it.

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by dryheat (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 3:34pm

Honestly, since the passings of Wiley and Thompson, there ARE no good writers on Page 2. I mean, I think Simmons is great, but I would call him a humorist much more than a journalist, and if I wasn't a Boston fan I probably wouldn't read it. They should just shut down page 2 entirely.

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by zlionsfan (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 3:42pm

Whitlock must have been totally trashed when he wrote this.

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by CA (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 3:53pm

RE #9:

"How, exactly, is Brett Favre so much better than Kerry Collins, as they both currently stand? You trade one QB who throws a nice deep ball but makes terrible decisions for another?"

When, exactly, is the last time Favre threw a 'nice deep ball' on a semi-consistent basis? It was probably that 2003 game against the Raiders. I will go out on a limb and say that he's put up more wounded ducks than any other QB in the league in the last 5 years, by far. He throws a terrible deep ball. He made his career on short passes. He is destroying his career on long passes.

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by Jeff (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 3:56pm

I think the ESPN editors are playing a joke on all of us. They get pieces like this and feel compelled to run them, because he's a "well-known journalist" or "has naked pictures of them." But they recognize that they can't run them on the regular espn.com site. So they put them on Page 2 and the readers don't know if they're joking or being serious. If espn gets too many complaints, they just say "hey, he was joking. don't get so riled up."

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by Oswlek (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 4:37pm

God, Skip Bayless must have naked pictures of a lot of people. There can be no other explanation for him continuing to get work.

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by Nicolas (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 4:47pm

I agree that this is Whitlock's worst column of 2005, but in general I think he always makes 2 or 3 poignant statements. For this article I would point to his Vick comments, the love boat being an over-blown story (no pun intended) and Rivers getting some playing time. Whitlock is not an idiot as some of you say. I think it is good that someone voices something different from the thousands of other "journalists" saying the exact same thing.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 4:48pm

I've given this a lot of thought.

Is Whitlock even capable of intelligent thought?

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 4:55pm

RE: 10

Are you black, though? Do you play the race card a lot? You need those two things at a minimum. Oh, and you also have to be a moron.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 4:57pm

RE: 14

I started reading the first paragraph, and I was waiting for him to find a way to blame those deaths on white people.

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by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 4:59pm

Scoop has got to be the most racist A-Hole I have ever read.

Jesus, not everything is about race.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 5:02pm

RE: 12

How about LaVar Arrington and Fred Smoot? Oh, and Ebenezer Ekuban.

RE: 16

I tend to agree. Page 2 has been pretty much worthless for a while now.

RE: 20

Substitute "Jason Whitlock" for "Skip Bayless" and it makes more sense. Although it's true of Bayless as well...

RE: 19

Good point.

RE: 21

I disagree. Whitlock is an idiot. Obvious statements like "Rivers should get playing time" and " was overblown" do not make him any better in my eyes.

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by Nicolas (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 5:17pm

RE 26 I don't think those statements are as obvious to everyone as you think they are. There are plenty of people who don't spend as much time digesting the stuff they read on ESPN or Foxsports as much as the people on this site do. Point in case, the laymen's love of Michael Vick.

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by Nicolas (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 5:18pm

RE 25 I think you are missing the point. Scoop Jackson’s articles are supposed to be about race. More specifically, pointing out stories based on race, that are not covered by the broad media.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 5:27pm

RE: 27

OK, they're obvious to intelligent people.

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by dfarrar777 (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 5:45pm

Whitlock isn't even worthy of a response, but will someone please e-mail Mike Tanier's "The Five Stages of Young Quarterback Rejection" to everyone in the media who is currently proclaiming Rex Grossman to be the next Steve Young? Is this anything more than unused Eli Manning hype?

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by kleph (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 5:50pm

re no. 21 "I think it is good that someone voices something different from the thousands of other "journalists" saying the exact same thing."

i doubt you can find anyone who regularly frequents FO that would disagree with this sentiment. but there is a broad gulf between spewing out clearly erronious points just to cause a stir and examining situations in detail to discover overlooked points of interest. the fact this column has so many qualifiers like - "seriously" and "I'm not joking" - is not a good sign. it is the mark of a writer simply spouting off a half baked idea.

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by Pat F. (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 6:01pm

I agree with Nicolas to an extent -- Whitlock makes good points just often enough that I can't completely write him off. Maybe I'm not weighting articles like this highly enough in my thought process. As bad as this one is, though, I think his worst piece though was where he concluded that Larry Johnson is a terrible person because......he missed a block.

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by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 6:03pm

RE:28

The problem is, most of these have absolutely nothing to do with race, they just happen to involve a black man somewhere in the side story.

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by Devin McCullen (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 6:12pm

In an effort to turn this into a useful discussion, what do people think the Raiders should do at quarterback next year? Tuiasosopo sure didn't look like an answer, and Collins apparently costs too much money.

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by dryheat (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 6:13pm

What's the story on Andrew Walter? I was high on him coming out of ASU.

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by dryheat (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 6:20pm

No, the worst Whitlock piece ever (and there have been a few thought-provoking ones I've enjoyed) was the one where the decision not to let Mo Clarett enter the draft after his freshman year was grounded in race, because mainstream America couldn't handle a 19 year old black man making more money than they are (presumably, they have no problem with a 20 year old black man making more money than they are)

I'm also finding his introductory fake letters less and less amusing every week, and they weren't starting off very high on the curve. They're funny, but not Ha-Ha funny

Yes, Jason, we get the point. Gorgeous women find you irresistable and harass you at home and work. NFL coaches constantly contact you for your opinion. Players confide in you and speak through you. Point taken. The horse is decomposing at this point.

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by DMP (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 6:43pm

Whitlock's column read like "Simmon's Lite", full of wacky ideas and comparisons of sports stuff to pop-culture/reality show stuff, only not as good (no matter what you think of Simmons). That line about the Favre-George-Ross-Davis-Martz combo being just like the 94 season of Real World was exactly like something Simmons would have written. Even ranking the Seahawks lower because he felt like he would just do something dumb was a Simmons-like type of reasoning. That was really strange.

I thought Scoop's take on "Quite Frankly" was funny, even if he didn't mean it to be. And yes, by that I meant the QF sucks hyperboles. He was right to at least point out the KG stuff, though. This was like when McNair and Dunn rallied stuff for Katrina, they get a small mention but Favre and the Mannings are all over the place for what they did. Now Favre and Mannings are superstars, but it's not like MaNair and KG are Akili Smith and Jonathan Bender. I wouldn't know if it was because of discrimination, but I think it was weird.

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by Daniel (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 6:52pm

For whatever it's worth, Whitlock ripped the fake letters idea off of William Safire.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 7:23pm

The worst part of Whitlock's column was the way it started off. Was that supposed to funny?

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 7:25pm

*supposed to be funny

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by ToxikFetus (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 7:33pm

Re 16:

Along with Wiley and Thompson, I miss the old Page 2 TMQs. Gregg Easterbrook was always much better at criticising the NRL owners and establishment than providing insightful football analysis. Since he joined up with the man, his articles have been somewhat castrated. I suppose that's what happens when you dis the man who gives you your paychecks.

Also, what happened to Brian Murphy's "Monday Hangover" columns? Now all he's affiliated with are those god awful "Page 2 Critics" articles. It seems like Simmons is the only thing worth reading on Page 2 anymore.

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by ToxikFetus (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 7:33pm

Re 41:

er... by NRL I mean NFL

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 8:34pm

How often can a supposedly non-stupid man utter monumentally stupid things before the conclusion is drawn that the man is, indeed, stupid?

As Groucho says in the courtroom scene of "Duck Soup", "He may look like an idiot, and he may sound like an idiot, but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot."

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by Murr (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 9:24pm

Jim Caple can be amusing when he's going off on Steinbrenner and the Yankees. That "serialized comic novel" thing, however, might be the worst idea in the history of Page 2 (and that's saying something, with their past desperate attempts to put Anna K into anything).

Simmons is consistently funny. Murphy is entertaining when he's covering golf and football.

Everyone else is painfully unfunny, spouts off completely uninformed opinions, or both.

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by mm (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 9:57pm

re 42:

I assumed you meant the NRA/NFL nexus...

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by Paul (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 11:41pm

I don't know. Maybe I'm just senile, but I have such VIVID memories of the "old" Farve. Isn't it just possible that if he was on a team with a chance, he would tone down the Berserk Madman QB routine? When I watch him, it still seems like he has all the physical tools, it's just his decision making that has gone south-isn't this bass ackward for a vet? I think there is life yet in the ol' gunslinger.

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by Jerry F. (not verified) :: Fri, 12/30/2005 - 1:16am

I fail to see what was so bad about that Scoop Jackson article. It was by a black man, talking about black-related issues, if that's what you have a problem with.

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by Charles Jake (not verified) :: Fri, 12/30/2005 - 9:21am

#46

I don't think Favre's decision making has gone south. It's always been spotty. I think that his physical ability has declined just enough that he can't make those "throws that only Brett Favre can make"(TM) anymore, and he doesn't have the defense or skill position players (due to injury)to bail him out.

If Walker and Green were healthy, the Pack would've won more games, but Brett would've still lost a few for them.

*FULL DISCLOSURE* I'm a Bears fan.

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by dryheat (not verified) :: Fri, 12/30/2005 - 10:28am

I dunno...worst idea? That "serialized novel" is atrocious, I imagine, based on reading the first two chapters. But the "Sneaker Bracket" would probably get my vote. I think that was the point that I realized that EVERYTHING needed to be settled by a bracket of 64 like things, even if they are opinions. Which sneakers were the best? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

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by BillT (not verified) :: Fri, 12/30/2005 - 11:17am

To Whitlock's credit:

"5. Memo to Michael Vick: If you want to be a legitimate NFL QB, get in the film room and prepare like a legitimate NFL QB.

When you watch Vick play, you can tell he's not a student of the game. The whole world fell in love with his athleticism and ability to improvise. Well, quarterbacks still win football games by out-preparing the opposition.

Vick rarely looks off safeties, rarely finds his second and third receivers and rarely responds well to criticism. Vick's groupie defenders are going to prevent him from taking full advantage of his gifts. "

Excellent.

And really, I thought the whole Favre/Raiders thing was kinda funny.

To his discredit: The rest of the column.

You could do a lot worse than Whitlock, but on the whole he isn't very good.

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by J.S. (not verified) :: Fri, 12/30/2005 - 1:25pm

RE: 23

no I am not black and i have no race card to play, so i guess that puts nme out of the running huh?

RE: 46
I am with you all the way, I think thathe may still have 1 or 2 years left in him and would be able to play if he got some key guys around him.

RE: 48
so why oh why are you not trying to convice us that Brett should come to chicago?
it would tear my heart out but at least he would still be in the NFC North.

FULL DISCLOSURE *I am a PACKERS fan*

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by Charles Jake (not verified) :: Fri, 12/30/2005 - 3:45pm

#51

I'd much rather the Bears tear your heart out by sweeping the season series and winning the division year after year.