Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

14 Oct 2005

What's Wrong with the Saints?

Everything, actually. Saints weblog "Marchin' In" (written by a FO reader) takes a look at the 52-3 loss to Green Bay and why the conventional wisdom about blame (100% Aaron Brooks, 0% Everyone Else) is a little off.

Posted by: Aaron Schatz on 14 Oct 2005

14 comments, Last at 16 Oct 2005, 6:10pm by Vince

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by Gatts (not verified) :: Fri, 10/14/2005 - 3:02am

Ugh. I hate blogspot so much. I need to graduate.

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by Gatts (not verified) :: Fri, 10/14/2005 - 3:07am

PS: sorry for the lack of apostrophes. Miscommunication between MS Word and w.bloggar.

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by Moses (not verified) :: Fri, 10/14/2005 - 8:55am

Point of Correction: They didn't fire their OC in McCarthy, he left and was widely recruited by many teams (49ers, Lions, Jaguars, Titans) ending up at the 49ers. Personally, I think he was whipping boy for a lot of Saint fan frustration brought on by years of tremendous media-led over-hyping their talent.

Aaron Brooks is a bad QB because he relies too much on his talent and not enough on his head. McAllister is getting fat, is getting beaten to **** and is now faltering in YPC behind that bad o-line. Horn is the only WR worth a darn on the team, despite the hype. There are no TEs I'd have on my team.

So, basically, it's boneheaded QB, faltering RB, no TE, one WR & a bad line... That's a recipie for success...

At least being a 49er fan, with the benching of Tim "career backup Rattay" I can hope for a future with the roster I have. :)

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Fri, 10/14/2005 - 8:59am

I love stats like the "entire defense combined for as many sacks, forced fumbles, and interceptionas I did watching the game in my underwear (0)". Those are my absolute favorite stats to break out, to show just how awful someone is. For example, in 1984 I was just 13 electoral votes behind Mondale for 2nd place, despite not spending hundreds of millions of dollars campaigning, having no political experience, and being only eight years old. I think it was a pretty good showing for a third-grader.

Oh yeah, the Saints suck. I think the PFP joke about them using a hamster wheel as a logo was right on, except this year the hamster seems to have died. But they'll probably use the hurricane as an excuse to not clean house again, bring the same guys back, and be the uplifting story next year when they 'rebound' to between 7-9 and 9-7 yet again.

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by JonL (not verified) :: Fri, 10/14/2005 - 10:33am

I'd hate to see what Aaron Brooks relying on his head looks like.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Fri, 10/14/2005 - 11:19am

My friends and I wonder how Venturi still has a job.

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by princeton73 (not verified) :: Fri, 10/14/2005 - 11:40am

But they’ll probably use the hurricane as an excuse to not clean house again, bring the same guys back, and be the uplifting story next year when they ‘rebound’ to between 7-9 and 9-7 yet again.

don't underestimate that as being the MOST important long-term effect of Katrina on the team

negative effect, that is

Benson's hands are effectively tied--he can't fire Hazel-nut or he'd be an unfeeling bastard

(I mean, he is ANYWAY, but...)

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by B (not verified) :: Fri, 10/14/2005 - 11:55am

Where are all those people (err, both those people) insisting Deuce was a top back when the Saints gave him that huge contract in the off-season?

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by Gatts (not verified) :: Fri, 10/14/2005 - 1:10pm

They didn’t fire their OC in McCarthy, he left and was widely recruited by many teams (49ers, Lions, Jaguars, Titans) ending up at the 49ers. Personally, I think he was whipping boy for a lot of Saint fan frustration brought on by years of tremendous media-led over-hyping their talent.

Whoops! You'd think with all the outward lashing of McCarthy from Saint fans and with the not-so-subtle bashing of McCarthy from both Haslett and Sheppard, that he'd have been fired. Guess not...

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by zlionsfan (not verified) :: Fri, 10/14/2005 - 3:15pm

Az Hakim is another one of those "I know he wasn't that good on other teams, but he'll do better with us" players. How many receivers in the last 20 years ever played well after they didn't work out in Detroit? Johnnie Morton and ...

I was surprised not to read in TMQ that Carney's two missed FG attempts came when the score was 28-3 and 35-3. Granted, the second one was at the end of the half, but really, are you going to get a boost by going into the locker room down 29? I know I made fun of it when I saw it happen on Sunday.

Okay, maybe Haslett isn't doing great in New Orleans, but one of the problems with having a mediocre coach is that if you fire him, you might end up with a decent coach who can't stand the organization, replace him with a terrible coach, and then replace him with a coach who's supposedly good, but can't seem to get the job done ... uh, sorry about that. But the way the Saints have dealt with their lack of improvement does remind me a bit of the Lions.

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by Richie (not verified) :: Fri, 10/14/2005 - 3:43pm

Click my name for the McAlister thread if anybody cares.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Fri, 10/14/2005 - 4:07pm

As I said on the Deuce thread, most of you guys have no idea how hard it is to be a Saints fan. OK, it's not that hard if you like your liquor...

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by Charles (not verified) :: Fri, 10/14/2005 - 5:40pm

Brooks' head isn't worth a damn. He was at his best when he was willing to run with the ball but it feels like he listened to Rush Limbaugh and decided that running would typecast him. So he stays in the pocket and fumbles. When he does run, he is fond of hook sliding a yard short of the stick instead of diving forward for the first down. He also wastes at least one TO a game in the middle of a relatively unimportant play because he can't audible.

I've always felt that, though the offense underacheived, the defensive strategy was always the root of the Saints problems. Going back to the Hebert days, the Saints have never, ever been able to cover TEs running seam patterns. Ever. How Venturi can continue to be rewarded for sucking this much has my conspiracy theory machine going haywire.

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by Vince (not verified) :: Sun, 10/16/2005 - 6:10pm

Are there any Saints fans still alive? They've always made bonehead mistakes, but this destroyed all prior standards. Never have I seen a team so thoroughly outplay and dominate its opponent and still lose.