Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

02 Feb 2006

McNabb: It Was Like Black-On-Black Crime

For me, the endless drama that is the McNabb-Owens story can be described in one tidy little sentence: The gift that keeps on giving. This makes the "Jerome Bettis is from Detroit" angle almost seem fresh.

Posted by: P. Ryan Wilson on 02 Feb 2006

62 comments, Last at 03 Feb 2006, 1:34am by dCalla

Comments

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by Craigers (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 11:02am

Jeezum Crow! How many race cards are in this deck, anyway?

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by B (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 11:05am

Wait, how long has McNabb been a black quarterback?

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by pawnking (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 11:41am

Deeply, deeply disappointing for me, a Philly fan. I guess anyone who criticizes McNabb from now on is a racist. I truly wonder if McNabb realizes he will now always be remembered for this statement.

I'm not a TO Apologist by any means. But I don't see where TO said anything like "McNabb cannot succeed because he's black." Admittedly saying your team would be better off with another QB is a terrible thing to say, and shows what kind of a guy TO is, but I cannot see in any way that being a racist statement.

Perhaps there is more to the story than McNabb is telling, but based on what I'm hearing, McNabb is seeing KKK ghosts behind every closet door.

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by Michael David Smith :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 11:48am

I like McNabb, but he's wrong here. T.O. is a jerk for many reasons, but with this specific incident, he was just replying to a question someone else posed. It wasn't T.O. who brought the name Brett Favre into this.

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by Clod (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 11:55am

This makes me want to vomit. Its this train of thinking that just perpetuates the racism everyone is supposedly angry about and wants gone.

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by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 11:57am

Now it begins to come out why TO had so much more backing from his Eagle teammates than was thought possible.

If McNabb is this sanctimonious, no wonder he didn't get the support from his teammates that he "should" have.

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by princeton73 (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 12:18pm

seems to me that Donovan has melded together Irvin-TO-and the guy from the NAACP into one uber-racist

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by JSR (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 12:20pm

If Irvin had used someone like Tommy Maddox or Chris Weinke in his question, and if TO had agreed he'd rather they be his QB than McNabb, then McNabb might have a point. But Irvin's a guy who's still living in the 1990's and thinking that Favre is still one of the best in the league, so he's going to throw that name out there with that in mind.

So replace Favre with Brady or Manning; is McNabb still going to see that as "racist" or is he going to realize it's a comment on who's the best QB in the game? Probably the former unfortunately, since he himself went right to Steve Largent with what he would consider a comparatively "racist" attack on TO.

Owens is a jerk, but McNabb is taking it to a whole other level.

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by ToxikFetus (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 12:20pm

Did anyone else see the interview on which this article was based? I caught most of it on ESPN2 last night and it seemed like Michael (non-David) Smith was fishing for the race card. McNabb didn't seem to have that agenda and those juicy quotes sound like respones to specific questions. The theme of the entire interview was much less racially-toned than this article. My $0.02.

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by MRH (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 12:21pm

I noticed in the links to the right of this article that the parents of Jerome Bettis hosted the Steelers for dinner. Can someone explain to me what this has to do with the Steelers, Detroit, and the Super Bowl?

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by ToxikFetus (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 12:22pm

Of course, with quotes like "It was like a black-on-black crime," one can't excpect *not* to be lambasted.

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by mactbone (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 12:26pm

He obviously got this wrong. However, anyone who thinks this means that McNabb can't defend himself from racial comments is not thinking clearly.

I would also like to say that McNabb has had actual racial comments directed at him - it's not like he made up the previous remarks just because he's wrong in this instance. Someone actually did say that he was only seen as a good QB because he was black, another person actually did say that he wasn't playing 'black' enough.

I think it was an unfortunate comment but I'm not going to throw out the baby with the bath water.

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by GaryS (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 12:28pm

No. 6 hit the nail on the head. Even without TO, this team will never be the same.

Nevertheless, whoever "wins" the TO derby better beware; TO is a cancer on any team. Adding him to the mix will only exacerbate any problems within the team - any there are problems with every team in the league.

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by pawnking (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 12:35pm

mactbone, I'm a white guy, and I've had to defend myself against racial slurs in my life. That doesn't mean when someone says another (possibly black) guy can do my job better than me I will start talking about racism and white on white crime.

As I said before, there may be more to this story than meets the eye, but McNabb is in great danger here, PR wise. If TO said some racially insensitive things, we should hear about it if McNabb is going to claim black-on-black crime like that. That's an extremely hot button he just pushed, and without more to justify it, he's the one with egg on his face.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 12:37pm

I understand the relationship with Fox Sports, but why not link to the closest thing that we have to the source for this story? Click on my name for that; ESPN.com also has video clips of his interviews.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 12:40pm

mactbone, I’m a white guy, and I’ve had to defend myself against racial slurs in my life.

I don't want to hijack this thread and morph it into something else, but statements like that tend to irk me because, at the end of the day, you are still a benefactor of white privilege. But that's another topic for another website.

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by chilligan\'s island (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 12:51pm

Everyone talks about bettis weight, but good god what is mcnabb like 255 now, no wonder he had a sports hernia.

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by pawnking (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 12:51pm

#16, ok, I'll let it go. But it certainly proves the point I made in my post about this being a hot button issue. You just don't throw a grenade like that into a discussion because someone said another QB would be better than you. It quickly degenerates the conversation into name calling and irrational baiting. If TO is treacherous enough to say another QB would be better than McNabb, then McNabb should have dealt with it as treason, not as a racial slam. By bringing race into it, he brought a lot of baggage. It was extremely foolish of him to do that, I believe.

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by Dman (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 12:57pm

Hey, when people are coming out of the woodwork calling you a fraud because you are black, when this includes members of the NAACP, can you really blame him for being paranoid? I can't think of a guy who has caught more shit less deservedly than mcnabb. Honestly, I think we should cut the guy some slack, you'd probably have some conspiracy theories after everything he's been through.

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by CA (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 12:59pm

Remember that Irvin's comments, to which Owens agreed when asked, were about Favre and the quality of players surrounding him. Irvin was saying that if Favre were surrounded by the Eagles' talent, Favre's team would be undefeated. Irvin picked the Eagles because it was early in the season and people had not yet figured out that the Eagles were not very good and because of his remarkable obsession with Owens. But it was a comment about Favre and the Packers, not so much about McNabb and the Eagles. Of course, Irvin, as is often the case, was very wrong. Favre is no longer a good QB (in fact, he is now a very bad QB), and the Eagles did not have enough talent to warrant being the team used in his hypothetical scenario. I suspect that Owens agreed with Irvin due more to their membership in a mutual admiration society than due to the content of Irvin's statement.

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by FuriousGeorge (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 1:01pm

McNabb {genuflect superior black quarterback}?

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by William (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 1:01pm

What bugged me most about this whole situation was Michael Irvin's response to McNabb's comments. Irvin, on ESPN this morning, took McNabb to task for resurrecting the story, as if it would have just disappeared had he not given the interview. Never mind that McNabb has played a punching bag for almost a year, as Owens publicly insulted him time and again, even after McNabb forgave him prior to the season. Who wouldn't let this die? Irvin's transparent bias is truly disgusting. It seems as if he does not even possess the capacity to be objective in this situation. McNabb stayed above the fray for almost a year, allowing himself to be thrown under the bus time and again, responding only when he was insulted personally. Now he gives his long-overdue perspective on the entire situation, and Irvin rips him for bringing it back. Unbelievable.

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by Malene, cph, dk (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 1:07pm

well, a propos the sports hernia:

Tom Brady is going to have surgery for a sports hernia that bothered him for half the season. Hey Donovan, you're soft! ;-)

And here's Willie McGinest with some black-on-black crime:
Pats players were well aware that Brady was hobbled during the year.
"Yeah, of course," said Willie McGinest from the Super Bowl in Detroit.
McGinest was reminded that Eagles quarterback Donavan McNabb sat out the second half of the season with a similar injury.
"That’s Donovan," said McGinest. "We’re not talking about Donovan, we’re talking about Tom. I didn’t know how severe it was, but I knew it was bothering him. But you have guys who play with all type of injuries across the league and on our team.
"Being the kind of competitor he is, he wasn’t going to let it slow him down."
Ouch. Burn.

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by MdM (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 1:11pm

No one looks good in this mess, not McNabb is starting to look bad too. I don't fault him for it, though. I mean we get snippy on each other here on the message board, let alone working and with each other every day in such a stressful environment.

I watched the interview last night and it made me really fearful for my Eagles. It's hard to imagine them rebounding next year, now.

It made me amazed by how powerful Owens' personality is, that he could split such a good team right down the middle.

I think people who aren't black should reserve judgement on McNabb for his comments. He is black and he lives in a different world than you. Therefore, you can't fully understand it.
This is a world in which both Shaq and Johnnie Cochran have gotten pulled over for DWB, despite being rich celebrities. Presuming you understand his world enough to judge him is arrogance.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 1:16pm

Thank you, MdM.

Racism is the elephant in the living room here in America, and I ended up leaving a message board because people there were just too ignorant to acknowledge even that.

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by Eric (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 1:17pm

#23...

McNAbb tore his groin muscles in the game against the Cowpokes. That directly precipitated the trip to the IR.

Burn?

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by Manteo (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 1:20pm

#20 - Hey, now you're going all rational on this. It's much more fun to take stuff out of context, twist it around, and hype it beyond all proportion!

TO is a Nazi!
Jerramy Stevens guaranteed the Seahawks would win by 17 and then eat Jerome Bettis's mother at the team dinner!

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by mactbone (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 1:36pm

Now Philly's 'Badassador', Hugh Douglass, is tossing McNabb into the wood chipper.

Lifted straight from BenMaller.com:
Former Eagles defensive end Hugh Douglas is employed as the team's ambassador, but his comments yesterday on WIP-AM (610) were far from diplomatic. Speaking on the station's morning show, Douglas spread the blame for the team's disappointing 6-10 season, but he specifically questioned the leadership of quarterback Donovan McNabb. "The thing that Donovan needs - it's been proven, especially this year - he needs other people to lead," Douglas said. "He's not a leader. He doesn't want to lead. He is the leader on the field as a quarterback; he isn't a team leader. He needs a good supporting cast."

Link to the original article in my name.

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by Collective Bargaining Bouillabaisse (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 1:52pm

Full disclosure: I am an Eagle fan, and the combustible stew of the media, an egotistical maniac, a rabid fan base, and a woe-is-me quarterback has me disgusted.

I need to express my disagreement with those arguning that McNabb is playing a race card here. The way I read it, he is not accusing TO of being racist against african-americans, which would be ludicrous. he is making a point that the fact TO, an african-american, used Favre as the QB model to bash mcNabb with, instead of another african-american QB, was unfortunate, especially in light of the recent Mondesire comments. in and of itself, i agree with McNabb: it was unfortunate that TO used a white QB instead of a black one since QB is the one position in sports where the belief that whites are more capable than african-americans because of their status as whites is still held by some. McNabb's folly here is his use of the overly-dramatic phrase "black-onblack crime" to convey his point.

oh, and #20- McNabb did play with a sports hernia. it was a groin tear that sidelined him.

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by Independent George (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 2:01pm

#24-25:

I also don't want to hijack this thread, but I have to take issue with the idea that we should withhold judgement on race matters unless we are ourselves black. I find that idea terribly insulting. Being the victim of racism does not immunize yourself from criticism, nor should it mean your views are necessarily more valid.

Ideas should be judged on their own merits, and not based on the level of empathy towards their proponents. It is no more just to give someone a free pass because of race than it is to judge them more harshly because of it.

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by Pat (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 2:02pm

I watched the interview last night and it made me really fearful for my Eagles. It’s hard to imagine them rebounding next year, now.

It made me amazed by how powerful Owens’ personality is, that he could split such a good team right down the middle.

Honestly, I think people read far too much into the emotional hype junk. The Eagles didn't do poorly this year because Owens "split the team" - they did poorly because half the offense got injured.

Statistically, the Eagles defense finished about where it did last year. Owens's bad juju didn't really keep the defense from playing very well. (Dawkins on Kansas City: "They are not scoring another point on us tonight!" Favorite moment of the year.)

On offense, up through Week 8, the Eagles offense was still in the top half of the league in DVOA. Keep in mind Owens was still in the locker room at this point. Weeks 9-17 are where the Eagles' offense fell apart.

I just don't believe that bad team chemistry kills teams. I just don't. Owens got suspended because he was actively trying to disrupt practices, which would have hurt the team.

But really, it's injuries where the Eagles got killed.

We'll see next year, I guess. But given the talent level on the Eagles, I can't see them not in the playoffs next year.

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by Collective Bargaining Bouillabaisse (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 2:03pm

28- Hugh thinks teams need a leader on the field and a leader in the locker room. He says McNabb is a leader on the field. Apparently his definition of a leader in the locker room is "someone who will get in your face." Since McNabb is not that type of guy, McNabb is not a leader in the locker room. Putting aside whether Hugh's locker-room leader definition is accurate, I wonder if any current QB (other than maybe Favre) would fit that role. This reads more as an indictment of the supporting cast of the Eagles than of McNabb.

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by JSR (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 2:13pm

29:

Remember though that it was Irvin who brought up Farve's name, not Owens. Now TO shouldn't have answered the question because it was ridiculous, but that's who he was asked about in that context. Wouldn't it have seemed strange if TO had deflected on Favre and replaced him with Vick or Leftwich in his response?

Instead of blowing up at TO why isn't McNabb asking Michael Irvin what he was thinking when he used Favre's name in forming his question, let alone ask something like that in the first place?

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by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 2:14pm

#29:

TO didn't use Favre; Michael Irvin did. Was Owens supposed to say, "If you use Steve McNair, I'll answer the question"?

McNabb, and McNabb's father, to hear some reports, reacted hypersensitively to that response. I could understand this if the incident in question hadn't happened weeks ago, with plenty of time to reflect and consider. Since he has chosen not to do that, but to cling to his visceral and wrong assessment instead, he forfeits a lot of the sympathy he gained.

You have to know that this attitude was exhibited in the locker room as well, which leads to Hugh Douglas (that noted member of TO's posse) now saying McNabb needs to straighten out his act.

This kettle stunk a long time ago, but most commentators were too willing to write the easy "Is Owens a punk-a** b**** or a b****-a*** punk?" story to notice. Now that McNabb is airing this as Owens is leaving town, it makes him look even worse, tryign to kick the guy one more time just because he can.

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by Collective Bargaining Bouillabaisse (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 2:32pm

33, 34-

I do remember TO was responding to a direct question about Favre. This does not affect whether it was unfortunate that Fave was used instead of McNair. Yes, it's hyper-sensitive and misdirected, but he's not playing a race card here.

34-

I'm curious what attitude you suggest McNabb was exhibiting in the locker room to draw the ire of his teammates. Read the Hugh article closely: he does not suggest McNabb needs to do anything. He only suggets that McNabb does not have the temperament to be a locker room leader.

As to why this is coming out now: McNabb has not spoken to local media since his surgery in November. According to the link on my name, his contract with Campbell's requires him to make a media appearance on ESPN.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 2:51pm

Ya' know, McNabb being a jerk and Owens being a jerk are not necessarily mutually exclusive conditions. On the other hand, I don't know either guy, so I can't say definitively whether they are, although I've observed enough of Owens' behavior to have a hunch.

I do know that Owens is a moron, based on emprical observation, since a guy who expresses a desire to get more money, and then behaves in a way which nearly guarantees that he'll get less money, is a nitwit.

As far as not being able to judge the behavior of black people because I'm not black, well, I'm not a Cambodian who lived under French Colonialism and while being exposed to Communist ideology either, but I'd given pretty good odds that Pol Pot was an a-hole. Then again, maybe that's just European priviledge talking.

I apologize for rising to the bait.

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by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 3:23pm

The attitude, in case I wasn't clear enough, is equating the Favre mention with "black-on-black" crime. I'm going to make an understandable assumption that he might have said something evem more self-pitying away from the TV cameras, where one would normally be expected to edit yourself. If he made such statements, I bet it wouldn't go over real well in the locker room -- that might be the type of "leadership" he could work on.

How convenient that he could meet a contractual obligation to Campbell's and incorrectly bash Owens at the same time. There's a lot of ways to respond to the topic when broached -- this was not one of the better options.

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by Björn (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 3:44pm

Hugh Douglas feels that Mcnabb (I just realized how funny this name is. Take a good look at it.) is a good field leader, but not a good locker room leader. Well, Douglas is the team ambassador, right? Why doesn't he step up and lead the team in the locker room, huh?

How is Joe Jurevicius the second best white wide receiver that Mcnabb can think of? That's just ridiculous.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 3:53pm

Independent George,

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. This is America. However, you have to understand that your opinion may not be the best informed on such matters. The only problem that I would have with it is that, from my experiences, too often white people come across as being condescending to Black people when trying to understand what we go through. I'm not saying that you are, but that is what often happens.

Personally, I appreciate that someone else is at least considering the matters at hand, because that gets us one step closer to an open and honest dialogue on race and racism, which is something that I believe must happen if we are to completely realize Dr. King's Dream.

But I digress.

McNabb used a very poor choice of words in that interview, and Irvin, not Owens, should be dragged over the coals for starting this nonsense. I didn't see the initial comment as racist in any way, not because it was a Black guy saying it, but because it was a discussion about QBs (and Rush wasn't involved). What I believe is racist is the treatment of Aaron Brooks by many of the Saints fans, but that's a totally different story.

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by forgetyoumindlessrobots (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 4:05pm

does anyone really understand that people say things beyond the media. owens may very well have said something to that regard in private conversation with mcnabb. just because it is not reported, and everyone has not read it does not mean it didn't happen. mcnabb is black, people have given him shit for it PUBLICLY and he feels like HE's on the defensive, and from what i've read here i guess he's right.

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by get over it! (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 4:17pm

Sophandros,
I will not attempt to be condescending at all when I tell you "BOOHOO". I work for a living and I don't need people of any race crying about racism. Just get on with your life already and stop tell white people about your feelings of 'misfortune'.
What the hell king of advantage do I have over you? If I don't pay my bills, I will lose everything, just like you. I don't have medical insurance any more than you. I don't have any fancy connections, maybe you do. I get up to an alarm clock, just like you.
Unlike you, I am not supposed to talk about my race, because people like you jump all over me if I dare talk about my race, my ethnicity, my feelings. But you can go on and on about it all day with some sort of air of indignation like I need to know everything about you and your race and youo don't need to know a damn thing about me because I have some sort of imaginary silver spoon in my mouth and you have some imaginary ball and chain around your ankle. This is garbage. Grow up and find some ethnicity website where you can cry with your like-minded types who don't want to hear from white people about anything!
I like black athletes the same as white, black musicians the same as whites, black entertainers as much as whites, black girls as much as whites (or more), but I'll be damned if I want to talk to you about all your self-pity.
Bill Cosby also has a dream!

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by Kal (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 4:28pm

Yeah, this will end well.

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by Manteo (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 5:05pm

As a side note, imagine if poster #41 was really named "Get Over It!"

"Hi, I'm Bill."

"Get Over It!"

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by Murr (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 5:07pm

#41:

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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by Independent George (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 5:10pm

#41: Yeah, this is kind of what I was afraid this thread would turn into. I think I'll just shut up now.

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by Collective Bargaining Bouillabaisse (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 5:16pm

37-

I am not trying to be dense. Equating one thing with another is not an attitude. It may be indicative of his attitude, but you are not telling me what that attitude is. Self-pity? Melodrama? Haughtiness?

All accounts are that McNabb handled the situation within the locker room with forthrightness and dignity. If you have something that indicates otherwise I'd be interested to read it, so please post it.

I don't agree with McNabb's comments. I think he's being hyper-sensitive. I don't think the interview will help the team mend the wounds of 05. But given what he's been through--from Mondesire to Rush, FredEx to TO--and the public persona he has maintained throughout, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.

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by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 5:17pm

Well, at least we can all agree on THAT.

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by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 5:23pm

#47 referred to #45 and its antecedents.

As to #46, my original point was that McNabb did not get the public support expected from his teammates, especially for a guy who played hurt throughout the season, when he was capable of playing. That to me indicates that something else was going on that was not being reported, mostly because Owens was such an obvious jerk.

If this interview is indicative of what McNabb's comments to teammates were, especially in the privacy of the locker room, that would explain this discrepancy.

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by josh (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 5:33pm

"The only problem that I would have with it is that, from my experiences, too often white people come across as being condescending to Black people when trying to understand what we go through."

That's racist.

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by joel in providence (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 6:04pm

i read the espn michael (not david) smith article as just a blistering indictment of the OTHER eagles in the locker not named T.O. or mcnabb. Son of Nabb basically says guys gave up on winning games. ouch.

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by Björn (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 6:30pm

Ladies and Gentlemen.

Message board discussions on the topic of racism never get anywhere. I would be happy if we could all get together over a beer and have a rational conversation about this. It could be a constructive environment, since everyone but #41 seems intelligent and stable. Since we can't do that at this moment, however, lets leave it at this.

#41 is retarded.

White people are not necessarialy unable to comprehend the situation of minorities in North America.

Not all white people are able to comprehend the situation of minorities in North America.

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by MdM (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 6:32pm

Man, who cares about racism, anyway? You know, to be called a "racist" is almost like being called a "communist" was when I was growing up. It's an emotionally-laden derogatory term with little logical basis.

As a minority, I have a racist predisposition to think white people have no clue what it's like to grow up as an ethnic minority, yet think they do.

Once in awhile, I meet some who prove me wrong.

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by MdM (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 6:40pm

Uh, sorry guys. Got a little steamed there.

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by spatne (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 7:59pm

We will never solve the race problem in America until we stop ignoring public spats between 30-year-old black millionaires.

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by Luke (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 8:19pm

This says more about where McNabb's head's at than TO. To construe what he said as racist is drawing a very long bow. Stupid yes, racist no. I guess I can understand him being a little oversensitive with some of the shots taken by white supremicists in the media in th e past. I hope he puts it all behind him and comes back better than ever, cause I like the way he plays the game - even if he's an eagle (and not a hawk).

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by Theo (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 8:46pm

Land of the free, home of the brave. Right.

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by Vince (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 8:56pm

All I know is, if this brouhaha keeps T.O. from signing with the Falcons, then I'm cool with it.

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by Playit (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 9:22pm

In rating the various comments on stupidity I ended up with this...

#3 TO's original comment. While an opinion that may or may not have been true, it's timing and message were horrible.

#2 McNabb's "Black on Black" comment. After a season of of TO-Drama the issue had finally found itself off the ESPN frontpage only to be brought back by McNabb. Not only that but nothing that TO or Irvin (two Black players) said publically could really be constued as racist.

and number 1

From comment 29 and implicitly agreed to be by subsequent posters...

"i agree with McNabb: it was unfortunate that TO used a white QB instead of a black one"

What? So after condemming the local NAACP rep for saying he wasn't playing like a black QB and at the same time saying that he should be judged as a QB, not a black QB, we should digress and only compare him to other black QBs because apparently it would be offensive to compare him to a white QB? In what world does this make sense? Even considering the rant that is post 41, this line is the most racist thing mentioned in all of this conversation. McNabb is a QB. He should be compared to other QBs. To say that he should only be compared to black QBs is precisely the mindset wrongly used by his racist detractors.

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by Ryan Mc (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 10:21pm

Apologies for shifting the discussion slightly, but does anybody have a good handle on what the Philly locker room was like this season? The media have totally portrayed a TO-as-bad-guy-McNabb-as-good-guy story, but I couldn't help but notice that a good few teammates (at least a dozen I believe) attended TO's birthday bash back in Dec. Maybe he wasn't quite as unpopular with all teammates as he was with his coach and QB?

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by Björn (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 10:28pm

IIRC, it was only 19 players who went, and the whole team was invited. I don't know about you, but if the lame guy from work invites everyone over for food at his expensive crib, I'm there.

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by Ryan Mc (not verified) :: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 10:43pm

Hmmm. OK. For what it's worth, if the lame guy from work truely was an idiot and I didn't like him I certainly wouldn't go. 19 is way more than I would have expected just based on media coverage of what TO's teammates thought of him.

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by dCalla (not verified) :: Fri, 02/03/2006 - 1:34am

Sorry if this is overkill, but I thought a big part of the blow up over this was his choice of comparison. In comparing this spat to black-on-black crime, Mcnabb really trivializes what is a serious social issue, along the same lines as smokers who, when they had to smoke outdoors due to smoking bans, compared their treatment to that of the Jews in the concentration camps. (However, I am not Black, Jewish, or a smoker, so may views may not apply)