Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

01 Jan 2006

Mike Tice Fired

According to AP, Mike Tice has been fired tonight. Who else will go on "Black Monday," and who should replace them?

Posted by: Aaron Schatz on 01 Jan 2006

38 comments, Last at 06 Jan 2006, 6:06am by andrew

Comments

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by krugerindustrialsmoothing (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 10:29pm

I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling going on in this establishment.

your winnings sir...

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by David (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 10:31pm

If they can coax him out of re-re-retirement, Vermeil seems like he'd be a good fit for the current Vikes.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 10:33pm

I wonder if Martz will surface in one of the other head coaching openings... though I think his antics since being out in St. Louis is hurting his chances... he'd have to curb the ego in an interview...

I'm sure tons of people would love to have him as a coordinator, not sure if he'd accept that, at least not at first.

Tice is a good OL coach, I'm sure he will turn up doing that elsewhere, perhaps with Denny Green (assuming he remains) or Billick.

Its going to be competetive for coaches and so many openings. I'm sure many will try to move to grab people before the playoffs are over, again punishing assistants of successful teams. There should be a ban on interviewing coaches until after the superbowl.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 10:56pm

My guess? Scott Linehan

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by Jon (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 11:07pm

A rundown of current coaches, as I see it:

Definitely Gone:
Mike Tice
Dick Vermeil

All but confirmed to be gone:
Mike Martz
Dom Capers
Norv Turner

Deserves to be fired:
Jim Haslett

Interim:
Dick Jauron

Confirmed to be staying:
Brian Billick

Might resign:
Bill Parcells
Tony Dungy

Might resign, join new team:
Herm Edwards

Team declined greatly/Hot seat for next year:
Mike Mularkey
Jeff Fisher
Andy Reid
Mike Sherman

Not successful/Too early to be fired:
Dennis Green
Mike Nolan
Romeo Crennel

Somewhat successful:
Marty Schottenheimer
Jim Mora

Very successful/No chance of being fired:
HC Patriots
Nick Saban
Bill Cowher
Marvin Lewis
Mike Shanahan
Tom Coughlin
Joe Gibbs
Jon Gruden
John Fox
Jack Del Rio
Mike Holmgren
Lovie Smith

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by Ben (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 11:29pm

Andy Reid is not on the hot seat for next year. Lurie and Banner are pretty smart guys. If they let Reid go the best available coach would be... Andy Reid.

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by mikeabbott (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 11:39pm

that should be HC-NEP if you want to be a stickler for spelloing;)

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by Ryguy (not verified) :: Mon, 01/02/2006 - 1:15am

No I think he's referencing Madden 2006.. because that's what it says.. HC Patriots.

Though I think we're going to hear a lot about minority hiring practices this winter .. but I totally agree with reply 5's list of coaches who will be on next year's hot seat but also.. does the Jim Haslett argument get put to the back seat because of New Orleans/Katrina? Cause I think that was the question when they won their first game and were once 2-2 and then fell to the #2 pick in the 2006 Draft.

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by CaffeineMan (not verified) :: Mon, 01/02/2006 - 1:17am

Yeah, I can't see Reid being on the hot seat. I don't think Eagle ownership/management are that stupid. Maybe Fisher is on the hot seat, but that doesn't seem too smart, unless Fisher is to blame for the Titan's cap strategy.

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by admin :: Mon, 01/02/2006 - 1:20am

Hold on, hold on ... Belichick didn't allow his name to be used in Madden 06? Is he the only one? That's just strange if it is true.

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by Jake (not verified) :: Mon, 01/02/2006 - 1:37am

It's a shame Tice got fired before he could get his Superbowl tickets for this year.

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by Jon (not verified) :: Mon, 01/02/2006 - 1:46am

Re: 8, 10
Glad somebody got the reference. Coincidentally (or not), he has a tendency to retire after the first season in Franchise Mode, saying something like "Three titles is enough."

Re: Fisher
He's not to blame for the cap mess, but the Titans haven't been competitive for the last 2 seasons. After a (theoretical) third straight season of fulility, isn't it possible that Bud Adams says something like "I'm 82 years old. I want to win now," and panic-hires another coach?

Re: Reid
He's a great coach, and the Eagles are in decent position to recover. But has any coach since Connie Mack lasted 8 years in Philly, especially without winning a title? Also, I think that there's a possibility that the Eagles fracture between pro-McNabb/anti-McNabb groups, with Reid becoming an eventual casualty.

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by Ryguy (not verified) :: Mon, 01/02/2006 - 1:57am

I disagree Jon, there are more goats in Philly than Reid (TO and some unlucky injuries to McNabb, etc) that derailed their season... but I watched and I said the same thing again, Reggie Brown (WR- 2nd Rd 2005 out of Georgia) is going to be a good #2 or 3 receiever in this league and I think the Eagles need to sign someone like Eric Moulds maybe and they'll be in business to compete in 2006-07..

Fischer and the titans are boom and bust (how come I think I've heard that before too).. they'll be building toward rebuilding for a while

Yeah I noticed HC Patriots in Madden 2005 too.. but you know what they always ask Tom Brady .. "which is the best one" .. "the next one"..

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by Jon (not verified) :: Mon, 01/02/2006 - 2:10am

Just to clarify:

Do I think the Eagles will have a winning record next year? Absolutely, yes, provided McNabb doesn't get injured again.

Would I fire Andy Reid, even if the Eagles went 5-11 next year? No.

Does the possibility exist that conditions become intolerable for Reid in Philly next year, leading to Reid leaving for another job, perhaps in Green Bay? Yes.

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by KillerB (not verified) :: Mon, 01/02/2006 - 3:24am

Bill Parcells also does not allow his name to be used in Madden. For several years now he's been listed as "DAL Coach."

In fact, up until Madden 06, Belichick did allow his name and likeness to be used - in my copy of Madden 05, he's clearly listed in the coaches.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Mon, 01/02/2006 - 4:19am

I can only hope, as a Vikings fan, that Tice was fired on Sunday night because they want to wrap up negotiations with their preferred candidate on Monday. Otherwise, it looks as if the new ownership still hasn't quite figured out how to operate, in that firing the guy before the lights go dim after the last game just doesn't look good, if there isn't any reason to wait until Monday. Hell, Jauron or Capers didn't even get the axe today.

As to who the Vikings will hire, I haven't any idea at all. This is not a good year to be hiring, in that a lot of other teams will be doing the same, but maybe Wilf has been planning this for several weeks, and has something lined up. Culpepper probably would be thrilled with Linehan, which does mean something, since he is due for a large bonus in March. Who knows?

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by dCalla (not verified) :: Mon, 01/02/2006 - 12:21pm

And Fox has reported Martz & Sherman have been fired. Not a good day to be Mike.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 01/02/2006 - 12:24pm

I'd like to think it is a good sign that Wilf fired Tice despite liking him personally. Letting personal feelings get in the way of judgement would be like what happened in Detroit with Millen...

I'm just guessing here, but I think that we can conclude the timing of this means it is someone whose season is done (i.e., a team out of the playoffs, or a college team done with the bowls), so they can move quickly.

Hence my guess of Linehan. I like Linehan, and what he has done in Miami impresses me all the more. While Tice may have been good at getting his players behind him, he was never an innovator.

The other part of the equation is that Wilf is also hiring a new personell man, and he might let him make the decision.

I wish Tice well, I'm sorry to see him go from the organization, but there is no way you could retain him at a lesser position after he had been coach.

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by mactbone (not verified) :: Mon, 01/02/2006 - 1:01pm

Yeah, Parcells hasn't let his name be used for awhile and neither does Belicheck.

I'm assuming the issue is the same as players who show up in the game as LB #56. They didn't sign the marketing agreement with the NFLPA or Coaches Association which presumably means they can sign seperate marketing endorsements. I'm not sure what Parcells, Belichek, and Arrington endorse (well, Arrington can't do it anymore since he forgot to void the agreement in his last contract) but I'm guessing they're big enough celebrities that they think they can get better deals on their own then as part of their Union.

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by MCS (not verified) :: Mon, 01/02/2006 - 1:38pm

T^2 just announced that Sherman has been fired from the Pack.

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by putnamp (not verified) :: Mon, 01/02/2006 - 2:25pm

I think I just had an epileptic seizure on account of the "free laptop" ad. Holy christ!

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by Zac (not verified) :: Mon, 01/02/2006 - 2:30pm

ESPN is reporting Dom Capers wil be fired today. Click my name for the article.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Mon, 01/02/2006 - 3:37pm

Capers and Haslett both now gone, according to Foxsports. Maybe the Saints want to bring Carroll along with Leinart.

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by Alan Milnes (not verified) :: Mon, 01/02/2006 - 11:15pm

Eagles sources are reporting that Brad Childress will interview in Minnesota tomorrow, and with the Saints and Texans later in the week. Tom Heckert has been given the GM title in Philadelphia taking final say away from Andy Reid in order to convince Heckert to stay. Interesting times in Philly.

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by CaffeineMan (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 12:19am

Re: Fisher

I guess I figured Adams wouldn't be that stupid. Maybe that's wrong.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 8:29am

I'm hearing Heckert will still report to Reid though...

I guess Wilf didn't have a plan set in stone beyond trying to interview Heckert.

Fred Smoot and Antoine Winfield are both lobbying hard for Gregg Williams...

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by NFC Central Freak (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 10:57am

Alan:

I await the Eagles fans telling us all how "All is well, remain calm."

Excess cap money in and of itself does not guarantee success. The Eagles 2005 season cannot be simply excused due to injury.

Certainly with the right decsisions the team can regain its stature among the elite primarily because they have one of the best qbs in the NFL.

But it ain't an automatic. And that division looks a might better than it did a year ago.

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by Ray (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 11:28am

Nothing's automatic in the NFL, NFCCF. But am I going to go crazy worrying because of a single down year in 6? Nope. I live near Philadelphia, not Boston!

Assuming the Eagles don't have another year filled with injuries, we'll be fine next year. The core personelle is still there, along with the possiblity for filling in due to that extra cap space. You're right that the whole season can't be excused because of injury but the vast majority of it can, and a nice chunk of the rest of it can be attributed to TO.

There are no guarantees, but I think my team has as good a shot as any other team in the league, and that's more than most fans can say.

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by Alan Milnes (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 12:52pm

Yep I agree with that - nothing is automatoc but we have cap room and a higher draft pick than in a long time. I think the team is in good hands. And to be honest I'm not convinved the NFC East is a lot stronger. It wouldn't surprise me to see the Giants and Redskins lose this weekend. Both have excellent running backs but if they get behind watch out.

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by Daniel Warehall (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 1:24pm

Ray,

I don't think the Eagles' chances are as good as the Lions'. They have a young QB with another year of experience. They'll have 4 first round draft picks playing WR (If we keep Rogers, and draft another this year...)Millen will have another year to amass talent...

I think the future looks bright in Detroit...

*whimpers and huddles in the corner

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by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 5:01pm

Gregg Williams is staying in Washington. That's what 3 years for $8 million will do for you.

Looks like he's in training to be coach after Gibbs leaves.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 11:05pm

I wouldn't be surprised if Gibbs retires at the end of this year, particularly if they have a good playoff run.

As for the eagles... they should have paid TO. Yes, they have the moral high ground on him and yes he was a jerk, but if they could do it over, they should have paid him.

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by Walt Pohl (not verified) :: Wed, 01/04/2006 - 1:28am

#30 may be the saddest post I've ever read in any forum on any subject ever.

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by Daniel Warehall (not verified) :: Wed, 01/04/2006 - 1:45pm

Walt,

The worst part is my father, seriously thinks this. (I added the 4 first round receivers bit, tho) He also believes that they should bring back Scrambler McPicks from Philly.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 2:00am

Brad Childress is reported to be the new coach in Minnesota.

Can we get an ongoing coach vacancy discussion thread?

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by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 5:06am

Does Jim Johnson of the Eagles not want to be a head coach? I would think he'd be as good a candidate as any...

What's the scoop on Childress? If he can lead the Eagles deep into the playoffs with only McNabb and not great skill players, than he's probably a good coach, right?

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by andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 5:35am

They had also interviewed Al Saunders of the chiefs, and offhand I would have assumed the chiefs offense resume was more impressive than the Eagles... I mean the main thing you hang your hat on from Philly is McNabb's development, right? No superstar receivers developed, and (last year) an almost abandonment of the run...

KC has two consecutive RBs reaching superstar levels, a QB reaching next level, and consistant WR production...

I mean, there is always the strength of the interview itself and apparently Childress wow'ed em...

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by andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 6:06am

The more I think on this I'm a little puzzled. Childress is by all accounts a west coast guy, and Minnesota has never been a west coast offense. Brad Johnson has played for a west coast offense though with Gruden, but Culpepper never has, neither have most of their offensive players. So right off the bat that's a big changeover, and we've seen before where such things haven't gone smoothly.

Second, the Vikings were like almost in panic mode as two of their targets (Heckert for GM and Williams for coach) were quickly given raises/promotions to keep them away (something the eagles didn't try to do for Childress). They didn't want him to interview with the Packers or Texans... they shouldn't have had to worry about this, they were arguably a much more attractive job than either, unless money was an issue, which Wilf swears won't be. There were a lot of other candidates they could have interviewed, and Wilf is a rookie at this kind of thing.

Third, the Eagles seem happy to have him go. "He'll be great in Minnesota", is what all the players are saying, not, "we'll miss him". They have Marty Morningweg (whose Offensive coordinator resume is a bit shinier than Childress' I might add) already queued up to slide into his role. Reid (who calls the plays in Philly) has apparently been pimping Childress around the league trying to get him a head coaching job.

I dunno...

plus there's that moustache...