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03 Jan 2006

In Philly, Mama Said Knock You Out

Note to self: Don't throw beer on Clinton Portis's mom. (free registration/bugmenot required)

Posted by: P. Ryan Wilson on 03 Jan 2006

23 comments, Last at 10 Jan 2006, 10:16pm by Tyra

Comments

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by JMM (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 11:51am

If it was soup instead of beer, that would be a story!

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by bignick (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 12:29pm

I'm not saying that she deserved a beer thrown at here but friends that were at the game said she was part of a large group being completely obnoxious..

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by karl (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 1:02pm

#2: then what are you saying?

philly fans are obnoxious and criminal historically, but i'm not saying that they all deserved to get punched in the face...wait, that's exactly what i'm saying.

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by PhillyCWC (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 1:05pm

Okay, everyone busts on the Philly fans (often deservedly), but if this woman physically assaulted someone, why wasn't she arrested and charged? You can bet that if she were some Jane Six-Pack off the street, she would have spent the rest of the game in Eagles Court (actually, they don't have an Eagles Court anymore, but you get the idea). Why is this okay just because she's Clinton Portis's mother?

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by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 1:30pm

I've heard numerous reports from Redskins fans who went to the Linc. There are stories about people who had their property (from ballcaps to cards) defaced or destroyed, and people who had coins thrown at them, even in the parking lot. A lot of fight-baiting as well.

For the most part it seemed like you become a target if you wore Redskins gear.

Philly is probably the worst place to be an opposing fan, trying to support your team.

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by Another Craig B (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 1:36pm

#5, you said "Philly is probably the worst place to be"

My thoughts exactly.

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by Bruce (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 1:39pm

Well, now we know why CP is one of the best in the league at blocking charging blitzers. The CP's never back down from a fight.

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by Adam B. (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 1:45pm

Philly is probably the worst place to be an opposing fan, trying to support your team.

And? This is the first game in years that a significant ticket block was available to outsiders, and you knew you were coming into a stadium full of discontented drunks and Mummers fans.

I'm not saying that violence should be condoned, but abusiveness certainly should have been expected -- so I'd have left the colors at home.

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by dan (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 1:54pm

It's pretty ridiculous to say that anyone should be forced, or even recommended, to "leave the colors at home" for any sporting event ever.

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by Joe Black (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 2:03pm

I was at the game (upper level) wearing my Eagles gear. Sat behind a approximately 60 year old guy wearing a Redskins cap and his 40 or so year old son wearing a Redskins jacket. Not one person said anything to these guys all day. We even sat through the older guy singing 'Hail to the Redskins' after one Portis TD. It is possible to go to a game in Philly and not be assaulted or harassed. If you come here looking for a fight - you found it.

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by doktarr (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 2:07pm

This thread is 9 posts old and has already set a record for people saying "I'm not saying" and then saying exactly that.

It may have been a good idea to leave the colors at home, but that is simply an indictment of the Philly fans' hooliganism.

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by bignick (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 3:10pm

I think a lot of the people who are talking about how bad the Philly fans are have probably never been to a game in Philly. I have gone to a number of games in the last couple of years and have thought that the fans acted pretty much like that in any other stadium. If you walk in wearing another teams colors, you should expect to get razzed and yelled at. The only time I have seen it escalate beyond that is when fans of the opposing team get obnoxious. If you go in, watch the game and arent obnoxious, we pretty much leave you alone.

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by bignick (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 3:12pm

#3

I'm saying while maybe it wasnt deserved, it isnt all that shocking that someone threw a beer at an obnoxious group of opposing fans.

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by Ben (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 3:15pm

If you throw beer on someone you should expect to get punched in the face, also if you get beer thrown on you, you should be allowed to punch someone in the face. From all accounts neither party was seriously injured. Sounds pretty much fair to me.

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by Paul (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 3:30pm

Bring the colors, leave the coolers? Would that work? And not to take anything away from Philly fans' ability to be tough, but I remember back in 86, Giants fans didn't attack Skins fans, they attacked the Skins themselves...

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 4:24pm

Yeah I am in 100% agreement with post 14. You think throwing beer at someone is acceptable behavior, then you are obligated to think bloddying the beer throwers nose is acceptable behavior. Of course it would be preferable to not have any beer throwing or fighting, but to get that they would have to stop selling beer (I am a pretty firm believer that alcohol should be treated like pot is in Canada).

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by mawbrew (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 5:00pm

As Ron Artest aptly demonstrated, it's entirely possible that the person geting punched isn't the person that threw the beverage.

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by Andrew (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 6:03pm

Here's what actually happened, as reported by a local gentlemen who was involved in the altercation.

An Eagles fan was sitting in the same section int he endzone that the Portis family was sitting in. He was making the usual sorts of cheers you will hear from sports fans at sporting events - for the Eagles and against the Redskins. The Portis family was apparently doing the opposite. Plenty of trash talking and alcohol was also involved by all accounts.

Apparently he was walking around in the section so he could move in the aisle to the edge of the field when cheering sometimes. After sometime during the game, the Portis group apparently grew tired of his cheering and tried to prevent him from walking down towards the front of the section. During the jostling that went on, his beer was knocked from his hands by someone in the Portis family and it spilled on Mama Portis. Then the fight broke out, and the unknown woman was socked in the nose, who apparently had little to do with the beer being spilled on her (this is the story of the man who admits openly that his beer ended up on Mama Portis). At this point Security intervened and seperated the parites. The man complained that the Portis family had begun the altercation and was promised by one of the top guys in security, who he apparently knew, that they would be removed from the stadium. He was also removed from the stadium. He later learned that the Portis family was actually removed to the sidelines.

Apparently, his season tickets are now being threatened over this incident, causing him to begin a local media campaign to set the story straight.

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by JMK (not verified) :: Tue, 01/03/2006 - 7:05pm

Ok, I've been to quite a bit of Eagles games over the years, and also road Eagles games in Miami, Chicago, Dallas, Washington, and Denver. Fans in these cities really aren't any different. In Dallas, I had a beer thrown at me. In DC, I saw Redskins fan cheer when Hollis Thomas was down on the ground with an injury. In Miami, I was threatened and approached while walking to my car. If you wear opposing colors, expect abuse. It's not justified, but use you head.

And let's not forget Detroit, site of a player-fan brawl in the stands, and a city where someone went to jail for hitting Iverson in the head with a coin during warmups. Next time that happens, let me know.

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by Jeff J. (not verified) :: Wed, 01/04/2006 - 7:45am

I'm a diehard Skins fan who's been to home games vs. the Eagles, and I swear there is a whole 'nother level of hooliganism between them and even Dallas fans. I believe it was two seasons ago that Philly came to FedEx and the game had to be stopped temporarily because of pepper spray that someone let loose. There were numerous fights, and Philly's late lead seemed to bring out more and more raucous green jerseys. It just wasn't pretty.

I can't paint all Philly fans as bad, but I cannot recall seeing more in-stands fights than when they come to town.

From that experience, I wouldn't dare step foot in the Linc wearing my colors. Not worth the hassle.

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by Stagerlei (not verified) :: Wed, 01/04/2006 - 2:33pm

re: 20
My understanding of that incident was that the pepper spray was released by security personell in an attempt to break up a fight. On a side note, I've been to every home 'skins game this year, and there are always obnoxious folks from both teams in the stands. I also happened to be in the concourse during the giants game on Christmas Eve and had a regular holiday season conversation with a guy wearing a Philly jersey....It might not be the team/city that is the problem....it might just be certain individuals creating a bad image

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by princeton73 (not verified) :: Wed, 01/04/2006 - 4:01pm

the person who should have his season tickets revoked is the guy who sold/gave them to the Portis thug family

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by Tyra (not verified) :: Tue, 01/10/2006 - 10:16pm

Ok, I have spoken with Clinton's mother who by all means defended herself. I have attended many NFL/college football games and know how rowdy the fans can get (especially if the home team is getting beat and there are fans from the opposing team in the area). I am a die hard GATOR FAN and some of the actions I have witnessed have been ridiculous. There are two sides to every story and from the side that I am getting, beer was not only thrown on her, but in her face. IF this is true, her actions were justified.