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27 Aug 2006

T.O. Reportedly Fined for Missing Meeting

Okay, raise your hand if you saw this coming.

Posted by: P. Ryan Wilson on 27 Aug 2006

41 comments, Last at 29 Aug 2006, 10:21am by Wanker79

Comments

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by Adam H. (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 12:50pm

BWAAAAHHAHAHAHAHA!!
You know, I find the T.O. news much more entertaining than I did last year at this time.

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by Phil (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 1:03pm

It's a good thing Parcells does all the grocery shopping.

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by Tim L (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 1:06pm

Leopards just don't change their spots, do they? For those of us who follow the Cowboys, the underlying tension between Parcells and Owens has been increasing for some time. They apparently don't talk to each other, preferring to communicate through the media. And it's still just August...

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by JasonK (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 1:16pm

So what's the over/under on number of weeks until we see situps in the driveway? TO keeps putting out top-quality NFC East schadenfreude. (Giants fan)

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by Pat (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 1:18pm

I personally think Owens is going for the title of "Most Fined Player In the History of the NFL." Seriously, he's got to be approaching some record in terms of number of times that he's had teams or the league request money from him.

There were the celebration issues in San Francisco, the obvious detonation in Philly, and now things start in Dallas.

Seriously, he's trying to catch up to Ricky Williams.

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by Rodney Harrison (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 2:04pm

Are you disrespecting me?

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by Trieu (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 2:07pm

I have my hand in the air, but -- as others have pointed out before -- there is one way this works out well: The Cowboys need to WIN, and a lot. Winning is what builds chemistry (not the other way around, as many confused mainstream sports commentators seem to think). The more wins that the Cowboys have, and the more touchdowns that TO scores, the more Parcells will tolerate the attitude and the stunts.

I set the bar at a 12-win, 1300-yards/10-TD pace for the 'Boys and TO, respectively. Short of that and things get, well, predictable.

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by spatne (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 2:11pm

Minor nit question. When a team fines a player, do they dock his pay or does the player write a check?

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by centrifuge (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 2:14pm

4: No way. Been done. We're talking push-ups on top of a Hummer, minimum.

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by Harris (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 3:05pm

One-arm chinups from a basketball rim.

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by MadPenguin (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 3:06pm

Something I've noticed is that the more TO has issues in the media, the better the rest of the Cowboys look. (commentor note, i'm not a cowboys fan.. i am a steeler fan) In their preseason bledsoe and romo have looked good, and glenn has been catching the ball well. Maybe, just maybe, TO provided a catalyst to the cowboys for them to prove they don't need him. Just a thought.

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by Pat (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 3:10pm

Minor nit question. When a team fines a player, do they dock his pay or does the player write a check?

They ask him to write a check - if he doesn't pay the fine, they'll dock his game pay.

At least, that's what happened with Philly last year.

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by thoughthelookingglass (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 3:25pm

I just can't wait for the press conference after the game where TO catches 8 balls for 120 yards and a touchdown...and the Cowboys lose.

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by Paula (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 5:13pm

The media won't stop with their antics and drama. The media did a lot of harm last season, and they won't stop until they create a fiasco this season also. Hopefully, Bill Parcels won't fall into their schemes this year as Andy Reid did last year. It's all up to the Tuna to stand up for TO and his team and not crumble like the Eagles. TO is great!!

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 5:48pm

T.O. is a gaping orifice on who is also wonderfully talented. He is also a guy who has been in the league for ten years and he gets hurt a lot, which is the biggest problem I saw with Jerry Jones falling in love with him. I have no reason to doubt his hamstring injury, because there is no reason at this point to expect Owens to be durable football player, and a non-durable football player can no longer be a great football player. I saw the same thing when Moss was traded last year; a wonderfully talented guy who was now at a point where injuries were going to likely impede his performance significantly for the rest of his career.

It's a shame, however, that Owens has to have such contempt for the people he works with.

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by Pit Pat! (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 6:11pm

Re: #14

I didn't know T.O. had a sister.

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by Adam H. (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 6:55pm

TO is great! You know what else I like? Leprosy!

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 7:16pm

Question: Have any other NFL players been fined for missing meetings, and if so, why weren't they huge news, other than anti-TO bias?

HE'S INNOCENT I TELL YOU

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by Pat (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 7:19pm

Question: Have any other NFL players been fined for missing meetings, and if so, why weren’t they huge news, other than anti-TO bias?

One, that I know of. Peerless Price. And it was big news - mainly because the reason was hilarious - Price misread the team's schedule.

What I don't get about people defending TO are those who use Steve Smith, Hines Ward, as others who have hamstring injuries. Yah. They do. So what? They didn't switch teams and entire offensive systems. It's reasonable to believe they'll do well.

Has Owens done anything to make people believe he'll have success with the Cowboys this season? From reports that I've read, he didn't even look good in training camp the few days he was there.

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 8:10pm

Has Owens done anything to make people believe he’ll have success with the Cowboys this season? From reports that I’ve read, he didn’t even look good in training camp the few days he was there.

Other than being one of the best receivers in the league the last two years, no.

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 8:12pm

Okay, maybe just in 2004.

Gods of DVOA, I humbly beg forgiveness, for I have deviated from the true path.

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by Zac (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 10:54pm

Re: Vash #18.

A bunch of players on the Giants got fined for being late to meetings I think it was two years ago. And they weren't even really late. Coughlin set all the clocks 10 minutes ahead.

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by Pat (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 11:09pm

Okay, maybe just in 2004.

Gods of DVOA, I humbly beg forgiveness, for I have deviated from the true path.

Except that in 2004, he went through training camp, and played in several preseason games as well, and stood out dramatically in them (first catch from scrimmage was something like an 80-yard TD). Oh, and the offensive system in Philly was a West Coast system, just like in San Francisco.

So, I'll say again: has he done anything to make people believe that he'll be the best receiver in Dallas this year? Anything? Even in training camp? I haven't seen any positive reports on his performance in any practice with the Cowboys so far.

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by PhillyCWC (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 11:17pm

Somewhere, McNabb and Garcia are smiling.

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by yunzer (not verified) :: Sun, 08/27/2006 - 11:53pm

8. Minor nit question. When a team fines a player, do they dock his pay or does the player write a check?

Straight Cash Homey.

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by Cowboys fan since 1966 (not verified) :: Mon, 08/28/2006 - 1:10am

Re: Phil #2

That's the problem: Tuna isn't buying the groceries now, Jerry Jones is still under the delusion that he is a capable NFL GM and is calling the shots. This T.O. fiasco is his doing.

Jerry managed to eke out one more Super Bowl win with the team that Jimmy Johnson built, then drained the talent pool while playing GM over the next half dozen years. He finally brought in a real personnel expert, Parcells, to restock the pool -- and now history is repeating itself, as JJ can't resist the urge to play GM again. God help the long-suffering Cowboys fans who have been wandering in Jethro's puratory for the last decade...

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by Cowboys fan since 1966 (not verified) :: Mon, 08/28/2006 - 1:14am

Correct that to "Jethro's PURGATORY" -- Jethro being Jerry's nickname in Dallas just after he bought the Cowboys (naturally named for Jethro Bodine on the old Beverly Hillbillies sitcom -- draw your own conclusions).

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by Doug Farrar :: Mon, 08/28/2006 - 8:29am

I always wondered what it would be like if the Redskins-era Vince Lombardi tried to coach the pre-Gruden Raiders. That's one more question I can check off...

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by T.O. (not verified) :: Mon, 08/28/2006 - 9:20am

Re: 23

If Pat wants to know what I can do he can look at ten years of film.

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by Starshatterer (not verified) :: Mon, 08/28/2006 - 9:48am

T.O. (#29 ) --

Pat did say this year.

It doesn't matter if the 2004 version of T.O. would have been better than the 2006 version of Terry Glenn. T.O.'s supposed to be learning a new quarterback and a new offense, instead of sitting out of camp with a variety of injuries and missing meetings that, technically speaking, don't require his hamstring to be in perfect shape.

You don't learn an NFL offense by osmosis -- he at least should attend all those meetings all the lesser mortals on the team seem to have no trouble with.

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by Andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 08/28/2006 - 9:55am

Vash #20:

Other than being one of the best receivers in the league the last two years, no.

But has he really been? Or has he looked good because he's been thrown to so many times? TO had top 10 DPAR 4 of the 5 years from 2000 to 2004. But he never once cracked top 10 in DVOA during that period.

TO's DVOA from 2005 back to 2000 - 32, 17, 43, 20, 11, 13. TO's QB's DVOA in the same span 22, 5, 15, 12, 4, 5. From this, it appears that TO is typically 7-12 spots back from his QB in DVOA.

Drew Bledsoe's DVOA ranking from 2005 back to 2002 was 19, 22, 29, 20, which implies TO's DVOA might end up somewhere around 26-34th if he is healthy (right around where TO was last year) - somewhere between Derrick Mason's and David Given's performance from last year. If he is targeted heavily again, and has his usual problem with some drops and misses but also breaks a few big plays, his implied DPAR would place him right around where Jimmy Smith or Randy Moss were last year, making him a very marginal value upgrade on Meshawn.

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by Wanker79 (not verified) :: Mon, 08/28/2006 - 10:03am

Re: Trieu I set the bar at a 12-win, 1300-yards/10-TD pace for the ‘Boys and TO, respectively. Short of that and things get, well, predictable.

You'll quickly learn that the first condition is much less important than the last two. The only thing...and I repeat...the only thing that shrill malignancy cares about is himself. The anticipation of what happens the second or third game he doesn't have as many catches as he thinks he should (regardless of wins/loses) is mouth-wateringly exciting. Adam is right, this is waaaayyyy more delectable than last year.

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by Wanker79 (not verified) :: Mon, 08/28/2006 - 10:07am

I had a fantasy draft last night. Unfortunately there was a guy on auto because TO was going to go undrafted otherwise (everyone was from Jersey and New York). :-D

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by Pat (not verified) :: Mon, 08/28/2006 - 11:15am

If Pat wants to know what I can do he can look at ten years of film.

By that argument, that Jerry Rice guy should kick your ass. There's like, twenty years of film on him! And I mean, he's like, the same guy as he was in 2002, right? I mean, it's not like people age or anything.

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by Tuna (not verified) :: Mon, 08/28/2006 - 12:50pm

Re: 30 & 34

You are so right! A coach can only go by what he sees from THE PLAYER. Especially if he doesn't know THE PLAYER very well. THE PLAYER needs to show he's still got it (and gets it) in practice.

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by Wanker79 (not verified) :: Mon, 08/28/2006 - 4:24pm

I wasn't suspicious of TO's sore hammy...at least not at first. But does anyone else find it a little too inevitable that, with much surprise and amazement, he re-aggravated it after he was persuaded to start practicing before he really wanted to?

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by Jon (not verified) :: Mon, 08/28/2006 - 4:37pm

Remember how T.O. came back from his leg injury to play in the Eagles Super Bowl loss? It was "a miracle." T.O. only needs two more to be considered St. T.O. That's all he wants.

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by C (not verified) :: Mon, 08/28/2006 - 5:21pm

Hey, Jerry: You gave T.O. what he wanted. Congratulations and have fun with that.

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by Don Hutson (not verified) :: Mon, 08/28/2006 - 5:32pm

Re #34
I think you whippersnappers need to take a trip to Green Bay and/or Canton and watch some film of me.

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by Vash (not verified) :: Mon, 08/28/2006 - 11:35pm

32: He definitely only cares about himself. However, he also cares about himself in terms of winning a Super Bowl. Why do you think he was going completely bonkers the second half of 2005? They were losing. He can't stand losing.

You can criticize Owens for a lot of things, but his will to win isn't one of them. Take what he does on the sidelines and away from the field as you will, but when he gets on that field, he gives his all every play.

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by Wanker79 (not verified) :: Tue, 08/29/2006 - 10:21am

Re: 40

I couldn't disagree more. The only reason he gives so much effort on the field is because all he cares about his making himself look good. He started causing all the trouble last year in training camp the year after they went to the SuperBowl. That had abso-freaking-lutely nothing to do with the team winning or losing. I don't even think he cares about winning a SuperBowl, otherwise he would have come into camp last year trying to help the team take that one final step.